November 16, 2004
End of Day Vote Recap

Rossi ended the day up 33 19(!) votes. This is net of today's reports from pro-Gregoire counties King, Thurston and Whatcom and the Grays Harbor recount. Assuming that any of the underlying data is reliable and barring any more wild surprises, Rossi is projected to win by about 600 votes. [Given the update below from the observer, Rossi's lead narrows to about 60. See the above post for details]

King County reported 3,300 votes, with a lower than expected lead of 14% for Gregoire. No flood of pro-Gregoire provisionals from college counties Thurston or Whatcom.

The gory details, in this post below.

UPDATE: A friend who's been observing the King County ballot counting e-mails:

We wrapped up at King County's MBOS facility at about 9:00 pm, after a day of duplicating provisional ballots. I should mention that the King County Elections workers and supervisors have gone out of their way to accommodate the large number of Republican observers.

King County expects to tabulate around 1450 ballots tomorrow. Included in this number are the 600+ affidavit ballots, of which we can assume an overwhelming proportion will be for Gregoire. (However, a surprising number of provisional ballots have been straight Democrat, with the exception of the governor's race. In addition, many provisional voters failed to vote for governor. I do not expect that all 600+ ballots will be for Gregoire.) Of the remaining 800 or so ballots, our survey ran as follows:

Rossi: 127, or 36%
Gregoire: 190, or 54%
Other: 33, or 9%

Head to head, Rossi's share is 40% to Gregoire's 60%.

So of the remaining 1450 (?) ballots from King County, I speculate that Gregoire will capture 1000 votes, and Rossi will capture 300. I hope I am wrong.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 16, 2004 06:35 PM | Email This
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1. Stefan,

I have it from a good source that King has 1000 more ballots than reported. The tally at the beginning of the day showed 4000, when they actually had 5000.

I heard this from a volunteer downtown who has consistently delivered me the same counts as you have from your source.

Just something to consider.

Posted by: Larry on November 16, 2004 06:38 PM
2. Alfred Hitchcock couldn't have written a better suspense thriller than the WA state governor race recount.

So we are down to the wire and still don't have an exact count of the uncounted ballots.

Posted by: bt on November 16, 2004 06:43 PM
3. Brad Owen would make a decent Governor!!

Posted by: Mr. Cynic on November 16, 2004 06:46 PM
4. Larry - SOS website shows King County at 1,000 remaining, so your source is right on the money. Grays Harbor has 1,221, Stevens 600 and Benton has 750. Everybody else has less than 500. Only 6,152 total ballots left to count. My assumption is that Stefan's model uses the SOS website totals, so his projection of Rossi +600 is accurate unless more ballots are found are found in King County tomorrow. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Posted by: Marc on November 16, 2004 06:54 PM
5. Stefen, thanks for the excellent site & content. As the only democratic member of Dino's transition team, I've been hoping we'd be meeting soon. My champaign is still on ice and ready to be consumed! Keep up the work on an excellent site!
Wes Uhlman

Posted by: Wes Uhlman on November 16, 2004 07:03 PM
6. This should help put some of those worried about King County at ease. A little. Maybe.

Right now Rossi, taking the trends in each county into consideration, is going to win by 1,036 despite leading by a mere 304. This is all mathematical projection, but take a look.

I've got an Excel spreadsheet designed by my brother that tracks all counted votes, results by county, and ballots outstanding to project the winner. It updates every 10 minutes.

Available at http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/001729.html

Save it, open it, allow automatic updating, and watch it in real time, including projections.


Posted by: murdoc on November 16, 2004 07:04 PM
7. I am confused - if Grays Harbor double counted 508 ballots - why did their total number of ballots decrease by 6800 since the recount started? Total being those counted added to the 1221 left.

Posted by: Mary on November 16, 2004 07:18 PM
8. Folks- be wary of the reported ballots left in Columbia and Stevens counties- maybe even Skagit. Those are pretty big numbers for miniscule (Columbia and Stevens) and small (Skagit) counties. I hope they are there, but...

Posted by: Jim King on November 16, 2004 07:24 PM
9. Let the lawsuits begin!

The repbulicans think of suing as the Gregoire gets closer; the democrats sue when Rossi leads by more.

Hello Florida!

So...if this goes to superior court, whom will they (s)elect?

Posted by: ray on November 16, 2004 07:32 PM
10. Chicago's Old man Daly (& prodigy) have nothing on King County's Berendt: "Vote early--vote often" vs. "Vote late--vote often as you want"

Posted by: Chris Stump on November 16, 2004 07:34 PM
11. Dear friends, we need new updated margins of victory (for Rossi) after the data of 7:25:00 PM, i.e. +19 votes for our candidate. We need more that 500 votes to beat Demons attempts to overkill (again!!!) this Election in WA, before a recount. If you've got other results, post it. E.G. I see that 1000 votes of King have to be counted; my question is: have they included the 400+ votes given to Demon-rats in "affidavit"??? Please, help Republican Party of WA. Thanks

Posted by: Alex on November 16, 2004 08:01 PM
12. I love all this cry baby stuff that this election counting is unfair. This is like people complaining about umpiring in a 1+ million to 1+ million tie!

Let's get realistic...Sam Reed and his predecessor Ralph Montroe as well as county elections auditors run a very tight ship.

With regard to the judge saying unsigned ballots if not signed should be counted if the voter can be found to sign them there is no foul here. This is simply accurately inerpreting the state statutes. In our state, voting is a right not a privilidge, so a brain fart is not a reason to discount a vote.

An anlaysis shows based on outstanding tallies and existing percentages Rossi should eke out a win with about +300-500 votes. However, numbers shift on the last day in all counties on final runs due to double counting erros etc. before final certification. Therefore, any prediction is at this time is tenuous at best.

Whoever wins it was a true classic a great one to be remembered for a long time. As well as the fact that based on the miniscule difference, I have to admire the Washington State Elections system to ensure the counting goes so smoothly. So quit the cry baby stuff and just enjoy the race.

Posted by: Gordy Fowlds on November 16, 2004 08:44 PM
13. Yep, the D's have just about got this one stolen. Thanks King & Grays Harbor...for perpetuating 20 years of one party misrule for at least 4 more.

Posted by: Kevin Shannon on November 16, 2004 08:46 PM
14. Rice Krispies and Pop Rocks Suicide

Okay, this election is really starting to get to me.

Went to the grocery store- needed more Vanilla Coke. Decided if I got some Rice Krispies, they might tell me something about the provisional ballots over breakfast. The Rice Krispies on sale came with three packets of Strawberry Pop Rocks. Am seriously considering, if this whole thing goes kablooey tomorrow, to test that old urban legend about Pop Rocks and soda pop...

Except, one must outlive one's foes to get proper revenge...

Nineteen votes?! Nineteen votes! Geez!!!!

Posted by: Jim King on November 16, 2004 08:57 PM
15. The Rs say the Ds are stealing it. The Ds are saying the Rs are stealing it.

And the beat goes on......

Posted by: ray on November 16, 2004 09:00 PM
16. You know, the real reason I gripe so much about the King County mystery ballots is not that I'm dreadfully certain there is massive voter fraud involved. The real reason I gripe so much about the King County mystery ballots is that if it weren't for them we probably could've written the finale on all this yesterday and gotten on with our lives. Now we're going to be stuck obsessing over the recount well into December

Special sort of heaven indeed! Feh!

Posted by: Nathan on November 16, 2004 09:19 PM
17. King County finding 10,000 ballots was surprising. But I am still stuck on Grays Harbor because I do not see any explanation possible!

As of 11/15, they had counted and recorded 33453 ballots (16276 G, 16507 R, 670 B). This does not include the 300 they had left to count.
Today, they say they double counted 508 ballots - ok, that means they should have 508 less than 33453 ballots (32945 ballots) ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR.

They now show 25724 votes counted with 1221 left - a total of 26945 votes. Where did all those votes they already counted (less the 508) go??????

I'm not being a "cry baby" - but the numbers were not "estimated" they were actually counted. 508 double counted ballots does not cover this.

Posted by: Mary on November 16, 2004 09:33 PM
18. I fear that 2 hours before the end of the recount, Demons in King will find 300 or more new votes.

Posted by: Alex on November 16, 2004 09:46 PM
19. I fear that no matter what the final count is, the Rethugs will proclaim Rossi to be the King.

Posted by: bt on November 16, 2004 09:57 PM
20. At the close on the 5th, King county had reported 777,340 counted plus 119,000 estimated to remain, a total of 896,340. At the close on the 8th, King county had reported 840,779 counted plus 46,000 estimated to remain, a total of 886,779. So on the 8th, King county reduced (by mistake?) its anticipated total by about 10,000 ballots. Currently, they report having counted 896,792 plus 1,000 remaining, a total of 897,792, very close to what they estimated on the 5th. So they found on the 15th what they'd lost on the 8th, no?

Posted by: John Milem on November 16, 2004 10:00 PM
21. Hi Folks:

I have been exploring what is going on in Washington from here in Calfornia. You sure do have a wild one going on up there. I think of King County as your Los Angeles County. I hope that Rossi pulls this off and gives those Dems up there a black eye.

Posted by: Efrem on November 16, 2004 10:04 PM
22. I will tell you all this. I am one of the Gregoire supporters who canvassed and took affidaivits to people. I walked 20 miles, some of those in the rain, on three days. I busted my ass, while you blogged on yours.

About 2/3 of the people I met probably really did sign their ballots. It turns out this set of the people were older people who had shaky hands. Their signatures simply no longer were up-to-date on their signature cards. One woman was not able to produce the same signature twice on two documents, so I wrote a little note on her affidaivit to help explain. Her mind was fine though -- she was pretty irritated that she was finding out -- but not as a service of the County election officials -- that her ballot might be tossed.

Of the other people I contacted, the others all swore six ways till Sunday that they had signed their ballot, checked it twice, had the boyfriend check it, had the dog check it. Beats me what happened with these people. Possibly, they just signed the ballot in some odd way that didn't match the card on file.

I talked to a couple of Rossi voters. One woman was thoughtful enough about this whole thing that she decided not to visit the Records & Election office and correct her ballot -- she was pretty thankful of the Gregoire supporters for letting her know. Another woman who supported Rossi chose to travel on her own to the Records office in order to correct the problem. So you got 1 vote from me, but it was only fair to tell her why I had dropped by, I'm sure you agree.

I talked to about 90% Gregoire voters in the neigborhood I visited.

You all should have done something. The Dems showed that the list is public record. Did you know that whether or not you vote is in the public record?

Anyway, it looks like Rossi will win even though we busted our butts. I met some nice people who really care about this State, though. You have to really care if you want it enough to climb about 40 flights of stairs in two days, and walk over entire ZIP codes, Sunday in the rain. I won't spill the beans and say how many people the Dems had that I saw. I am not sure where the ballots which were being challenged are accounted right now.

I think one thing both sides of this heated argument are going to have to concede is this: this State is a mixed bag of opinion. No winner of the Governor's office should go off on an agenda as though they have 'political capital' from this. The closeness of this election should cause each side to try to compromise a bit more with the other.

Posted by: X on November 16, 2004 10:05 PM
23. X, thanks for your hard work. All votes should be counted no matter what the outcome is.

Posted by: bt on November 16, 2004 10:13 PM
24. Ok - I guess the 508 votes was a projected net loss for Rossi - actually a LARGE number of votes was double counted not just 508. That would, at least, make sense. I guess, then, around 7,000 votes must have been double counted. WOW. As long as the recount is done accurately. I will stop writing about Grays Harbor now. I guess it is better to find this out now than during the statewide recount.

Posted by: Mary on November 16, 2004 10:16 PM
25. Gregoire will win. No doubt about it. There are too many people with too much to lose if there is a Rrpublican governor. Any close election goes to Gregoire, and this is about as close as it can get. Whether it be from "mysteriously" new-found ballots or a a Gregoire-shift due to the recount, Gregoire will win.

Posted by: Anon on November 16, 2004 10:21 PM
26. Once again amatuer actuaries of Washington...you can only do projections when you have a cretible understanding of the underlying data. Tomorrow will yield many surprises and in the end, Rossi will prevail. In the meantime, wear yourselves out!!!
To Mr. X who was searching for provisional voters for Gregoire...Do you know anything about an alleged scam in a heavy pro-Rossi County (like Lewis) where someone was contacting voters, getting affadavits and then not turning them in to the County Auditor??? Hmmm?? Pretty clever, if true....immoral as hell but clever.
This election will result in more lawsuits than Heinz has pickles. I can only hope the R's will fight.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 16, 2004 10:35 PM
27. Once again amatuer actuaries of Washington...you can only do projections when you have a cretible understanding of the underlying data. Tomorrow will yield many surprises and in the end, Rossi will prevail. In the meantime, wear yourselves out!!!
To Mr. X who was searching for provisional voters for Gregoire...Do you know anything about an alleged scam in a heavy pro-Rossi County (like Lewis) where someone was contacting voters, getting affadavits and then not turning them in to the County Auditor??? Hmmm?? Pretty clever, if true....immoral as hell but clever.
This election will result in more lawsuits than Heinz has pickles. I can only hope the R's will fight.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 16, 2004 10:35 PM
28. Maybe we need a statewide electoral college by county? Heh heh.

Posted by: Beej on November 16, 2004 10:38 PM
29. No, I had not heard of that dirty trick -- someone collecting affidaivits but not turning them in. That sounds criminal, or like it should be. I left my name and phone number with each voter that I spoke with.

If someone like the Sheriff of a County wanted to track down a person who did something like that, I would suggest that video-taped surveillance cameras at the apartment complexes would be a good place to start. More power to that.

I don't believe any official has resorted to fraud, or either campaign has deployed dirty tricks. I would believe that individual hot-heads have resorted to shenanigans, though.

Posted by: X on November 16, 2004 10:41 PM
30. I don't think it would matter if someone was collecting and discarding affidavits. An affidavit is not like a ballot, where you are only supposed to get one. You can sign as many affidavits and give them to as many people as you like. If a party representative from both the Democratic and Republican party show up at your door asking for an affidavit, you could assume that at least one affidavit will make it to the elections department.

If however, the republican party representative does not bother to call or show up at your door, then the fault is with the party leadership.

Posted by: Tim Ford on November 17, 2004 08:35 AM
31. Mr. X,

I disagree with your statement, "No winner of the Governor's office should go off on an agenda as though they have 'political capital' from this. The closeness of this election should cause each side to try to compromise a bit more with the other."

First, this is an overwhelmingly Democratic state. Your proof for this is the margin of Democratic victory in the Presidential race, Senator's race, etc. Both the State house and senate went D this year. But it does not seem to be happening in the Governor's race.

The conclusion is that voters reject the status quo of the Locke/Gregoire administration. It is a clear mandate for change at the top, even if by one vote.

The fact that a Rossi administration will have a Democratic house and senate will create dynamics resulting in gridlock and blame. Rossi can propose laws to enact real reform knowing that they won't be passed, and point the finger at an intransigent Democratic legislature. With the threat a line item veto, Rossi can extract a lot of concessions. Rossi does not need to find concensus.

Also, if you know anything about Gregoire, her skills are best as a fighter and not as a mediator. I don't expect her to try to compromise when she has a Democratic house and senate.

Posted by: Tim Ford on November 17, 2004 08:48 AM
32. Mr. Ford,

I appreciate those well-put points. You might be right about how it will play out in each scenario.

It struck me how much I agree that Gregoire is a fighter. My loyalty to her stems from her response to the Enron bilking. Many local jobs owe their absence to that "power shortage" that was created on purpose, one of my former jobs included. I doubt Gregoire will be able to get answers out of the Bush Administration, but I hope that Enron will collect no more fraudulently billed 'past-due' accounts. The State of Washington should not be paying its extrortionists their proceeds.

I listened to Rossi, mostly during the radio debate on NPR. He seemed to stand for everything that let Ken Lay and cronies into the 'free market'. The only specific 'change' he proposed was the removal of regulations, especially environmental regulations.

Posted by: X on November 17, 2004 09:12 AM
33. Today on CSPAN, Sen Patrick Leahy described how appointments under Reagan and Clinton met with great bi-partisan support -- as each went to the other side's leaders and said how can we get good things done here. Controverisial appointments (and proposals for non-judicial issues) were tossed aside. Orrin Hatch talked about this in his book.

There is no reason to expect less from our state leadership -- regardless who wins the governorship. Anything less will further divide -- haven't we had enough of that?

Posted by: ray on November 17, 2004 09:39 AM
34. Funny, I don't remember the Reagan years being like that.


My impression of Gregoire is that her only contact with businesses was suing them.

Posted by: South County on November 17, 2004 09:58 AM
35. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't all the problems with Enron occur under the Clinton administration? They did declare bankruptcy shortly after Bush was elected in 2000, but Clinton never did anything to investigate Enron. Also, didn't Enron heavily contribute to both Clinton and Bush campaigns?

Posted by: Tim Ford on November 17, 2004 10:02 AM
36. Tim,

I agree that Houston, Texas-based Enron was getting away with murder before their bankruptcy shortly following the GWB inauguration.

The present situation, however, is pretty clear. A Republican administration's agency (FERC) is failing to pursue an effective investigation. It's been left to Patty Murray and Christine Gregoire to arrange for the *transcription of evidenciary tapes*.

Washington State got ripped off for $2B that people can easily show. Why didn't Rossi have an irate word to say in our defense?

Posted by: X on November 17, 2004 10:31 AM
37. Perhaps because the issue is dead. Has Gregoire made any headway in any legal action? I don't think so. Maybe that is because Enron is gone and what was left of its assets were distributed. So really, what is there to talk about? Not even the presidential candidates cared enough to make Enron an issue.

Posted by: Tim Ford on November 17, 2004 12:03 PM
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