Crunching the data in the King Ukraine County voter registration file, I came across precinct SEA 37-1823, or simply Precinct 1823, located in downtown Seattle between Elliot Bay and I-5 near the James St. exit.

Precinct 1823 has 763 registered "Active" voters. 527 of them list as their residence address 500 4th Ave -- the King County Administration Building. 241 of these voters specifically note their apartment number as #553, which is the room number of the ... King Ukraine County Records and Elections office.
Over 300 of these alleged "voters" give 500 4th Ave. (with or without the Elections office room number) as both their residence and mailing addresses. Several of the other Elections Office residents give overseas mailing addresses, such as Anuj Rathi of Mumbai, India, Rayko Suzuki of Tokyo, Japan, and Pascal Engi of Bern, Switzerland.
Another 48 of the Precinct 1823 "voters" give as their residence address 511 3rd Ave, which appears to be some sort of private mailbox service.
And then there are the two Messrs. Harder -- Mike Harder of 509 3rd Ave. Apt. 507, who registered to vote on April 28, 2004 and Michael D. Harder of 509 3rd Ave. Apt. 507, who registered to vote on July 20, 2004. Both Messrs. Harder are flagged as permanent absentee voters. [while it is possible that this is, say, a father and son, I believe that is unlikely in this case. There is one additional voter registered at this apartment and in the same time frame. The only other apartments in this building have only one or two registered voters each. i.e. it's doubtful that any of the apartments in the building would house 3 or more adults].
465 (61%) of the Precinct 1823 voters registered during 2004 and nearly all of them "live" at 500 4th Ave. By contrast, only 13% of all of King County voters registered in 2004.
3 members of the List of 573 Magical Mystery Voters are from Precinct 1823, 2 of whom "live" at the Elections Office.
In the machine recount, Precinct 1823 gave 203 votes to Gregoire and 87 votes to Rossi, for a net Gregoire lead of 116 votes.
The only way for Christine Gregoire to win the governor's race is to carry Precinct 1823 in a landslide.
UPDATE: Elections Superintendent Bill Huennekens explained that the residents of the Elections office are "homeless individuals", and that there is a special section of the administrative code which allows for that. He sees nothing unusual in the fact that some of these so-called homeless individuals also give mailing addresses elsewhere. I asked him what the county did to verify the identities of individuals who list the elections office as their residence and he said that they can't be treated any differently from anybody else. I take that to mean, that anybody on the planet who wants to vote (or vote again) can simply claim to be a resident of the King County Elections office.
UPDATE 2: I heard John Carlson discuss the Precinct 1823 findings on his show this afternoon. A police officer informed him that 511 3rd Avenue is not a private mail service, but a flophouse, most of whose residents are felons. Carlson also discussed Precinct 1823 with County Councilmember Larry Phillips, who made a bland statement about correcting faulty voting procedures. State Auditor Brian Sonntag had a good laugh at some of the weirder details from Precinct 1823, but also said very seriously that people elsewhere in the state have gone to jail for vote fraud and that the irregularities in King County need to be investigated.
UPDATE 3: Bobbie Egan from the Elections office e-mails:
King County like all counties is guided by the same law which allows the homeless to register to vote using a county building as an address.I never alleged "conspiracy", only sloppy administration. Still no word how the county protects against double or otherwise fraudulent registrations. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at December 22, 2004 11:26 AM | Email ThisThis is no conspiracy, but state law.
the WAC is:
434-208-090 << 434-208-100 >> End of chapter
WAC 434-208-100 Registering to vote -- Nontraditional address. No person registering to vote, who meets all the qualifications of a registered voter in the state of Washington, shall be disqualified because of a nontraditional physical address being used as a residence address. Nontraditional addresses may include shelters, parks or other identifiable locations which the voter deems to be his/her residence. Voters using such an address will be registered and precincted based on the location provided. Voters without a traditional address will be registered at the county courthouse, city hall or other public building near the area that the voter considers his/her residence. Registering at a nontraditional address will not disqualify a voter from requesting ongoing absentee voter status provided the voter designates a valid mailing address.
Not looking to good for your gal when this is contested in court.
Posted by: Jeff B. on December 22, 2004 11:34 AMHa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Four more years of being on the outside, looking in.
You lost. Get over it.
Posted by: Christine Gregoire on December 22, 2004 11:42 AMwonder how much coccaine they had to use to get them to do that...
that's probably why downtown Seattle is not a place you want to be in after dark...too many of those coccaine addles democrat paid off voters...
There is a good possibility that these "homeless individuals" might have registered from their real homes and voting TWICE in the same ellection.....I am saying that it is a possibility...However, I don't mind counting on that!!
Would you?
Where are you getting the voter registration info from? Interesting stuff. Would be interesting to know about the newly registered voters and their status.
Posted by: Jimmynap on December 22, 2004 11:59 AMwhich is exactly how Maria C. got into office...they had all those "floaters" come in and claim residency..
can anyone who is even half a citizen....not the CG types who don't care anything about integrity and the law.....but can people now see how the RAt machine has stolen elections over the yrs?
can we all see now that its not so much that Washington is Blue state...its just that the Seattle city area is Blue and Crooked....they have been counting illegal votes for some time now IMO....
not checking on absentee signatures?....oh really...
makes you really wonder why we spend the $.37 on postage if the entire states's votes mean nothing at all....
this is one reason I will continue to vote down any taxes or levies or bonds or anything of that sort, because apparently my money is important but not my vote....
we must change.....we will change...!
It's a file available to the public from the King County Elections Office, address given above.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on December 22, 2004 12:02 PMOf course, we all know there are no homeless outside of King County or any of the "blue" counties.
And some homeless stand on principle and vote Republican.
38% turnout in that precinct? Sounds like a engaged electorate there? A real landslide!
I'm sure we can trust you, Shark, to keep a Shark's eye on that precinct.
Posted by: John on December 22, 2004 12:03 PMAre you saying that homeless people aren't allowed to vote?
Wow, talk about Republican empathy!
Posted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 12:05 PMIf they want a person to blame, look at the top... the guy who sent 'em over there.
JBB = Just Blame Bush
Posted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 12:10 PM"They must be homeless! How dare you pick on the homeless, you monsters!"
The shills are beyond parody.
Posted by: Matt J Kurlander on December 22, 2004 12:12 PMDo you also plan on being at the airport when they get home, so you can spit on them?
1) Check the King County file for name duplications. How many people are apparently registered at more than one address? Granted, it can be hard to tell for Smith and Johnson, since there are no dates of birth in the public info. But names like Sharkansky and Harder are less common.
2) Can you compare the Washington names with, let's say, those from California or Oregon? Someone compared Florida and Ohio, and found at least 10,000 people who were registered in both states -- several hundreds of whom were voting in both states.
3) How come Mike Harder is registered twice? Are the dates of birth and social security numbers the same? (We can't check this of course, but King County Elections can.) Is there any type of mechanism whatsoever to verify the identity or eligibility of registered voters in this state?
4) Check out the King County registration file against a list of convicted felons. Rights to vote can be restored, but not for one to three years after release, and then only if all fines and restitution have been paid. Probably almost half of convicted felons are too lazy to pay off their financial obligations, even if they are only $500 (the minimum felony fine). And if someone was convicted in another state, they may not have a nearly automatic process to restore voting rights.
5) Is there any way to verify whether the people on the voter registration file are actually United States citizens? My proposal is to get the U.S. Justice and Homeland Security Departments interested in this matter. They can run the database search, and then file criminal or deportation charges against the non-citizens on this list. That will make the information public, and will support an election contest based on ineligible voters.
Posted by: Richard Pope on December 22, 2004 12:18 PMJust because I don't like the war doesn't mean that I won't support the troops fighting it.
I'm saying that if you're looking for people to blame, look at the entire picture.
Who f'd up the late mailing of the absentees?
King County.
Who sent them over to get rid of a crazy dictator who didn't have WMD's?
Mr. Bush.
what ever happened to having to be living in an area before you get to vote there?...if there is no residence, you can't claim to live there...
can anybody but me see that if this is the standard then people can be bussed in and claim to be "residents"....how many of these quick votes materialized as provisional votes back when Gorton was defeated?
there used to regulations to vote...now, its just have a name, and you can vote...no matter if you just got off the bus at 7pm...you can claim you live there and vote...then get back on the bus again...
we need to go back to what primary elections and registration and ID's used to mean....that you established your right to vote ahead of time.....that you are properly id'd...
wherever you have these loose rules and regulations, fraud is always suspect....
so let's stop having loose rules and regulations, and maybe the Democrat party could win a few elections the old fashioned way...by convincing the majority to their side...
instead, we have this manipulation going on.....
Posted by: lee on December 22, 2004 12:27 PMIf we're going to look at the "entire picture" for the right people to "blame", presumably we have to take all of history into account, to explain why all WA residents were where they were when their ballots were mailed to them. For example, World War II probably had *some* influence on the demographics of Washington State in the long run, so let's blame Hitler for making this vote so close. Or maybe Churchill.
Posted by: Mistubob on December 22, 2004 12:35 PMI was just saying that if the troops were home to begin with instead of fighting a c(r)ooked war, they would have been around to vote in person, or at least have received their absentee ballots on time...
Posted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 12:38 PMAnd we all know Harder isn't the only one who's registered twice. A study of California's Kern County precincts showed that 37% of the democrat registrations were fraudulent! One guy voted four times, claiming he 'cared' more than most. Another guy actually said if Ds didn't cheat they wouldn't win!! It's amazing! I've never believed that WA was as clean as many claimed. Now we're finding that out.
Posted by: Michele on December 22, 2004 12:41 PMAfter all, the state Democratic party chair (the first to know) told them some time ago how the numbers are supposed to come out. If the election board can't click their heels together and do what they're told in a timely fashion, then what good are they?
Posted by: David on December 22, 2004 12:47 PMThe Democrats are brilliant, don't win an election through sound fiscal and social policies, win an election through tried and proven election-stealing techniques.
Stealing an election is much easier than abandoning sixty years of failed paleo-soc1al1st dogma.
Posted by: Matt J Kurlander on December 22, 2004 12:47 PM
RCW 29A.40.140
Challenges.
The qualifications of any absentee voter may be challenged at the time the signature on the return envelope is verified and the ballot is processed by the canvassing board. The board has the authority to determine the legality of any absentee ballot challenged under this section. Challenged ballots must be handled in accordance with chapter 29A.08 RCW.
RCW 29A.08.830
Affidavit -- Administration, notice of challenge.
(1) Any registered voter may request that the registration of another voter be canceled if he or she believes that the voter does not meet the requirements of Article VI, section 1 of the state Constitution or that voter no longer maintains a legal voting residence at the address shown on his or her registration record. The challenger shall file with the county auditor a signed affidavit subject to the penalties of perjury, to the effect that to his or her personal knowledge and belief another registered voter does not actually reside at the address as given on his or her registration record or is otherwise not a qualified voter and that the voter in question is not protected by the provisions of Article VI, section 4, of the Constitution of the state of Washington. The person filing the challenge must furnish the address at which the challenged voter actually resides.
All you need to do is figure out where those “homeless” people actually reside, and you can challenge their votes. Piece of cake!
It may be too late to do anything now, of course, since the time to challenge their registration or their qualification to vote was apparently sometime ago.
Why don't you have any military experience? Is it one of those "don't ask, don't tell" situations?
As for grounds for a contest of the election - I don't see it here yet. What is needed is for enough double voting individuals (not double registered), felons, foreigners, or otherwise unqualified persons who have cast ballots to be identified and that the number of such be in excess of the balance of victory.
Is this a tall order? Maybe, maybe not, but looking into it is what I hope Stefan is doing.
Xorosho, Stefan! Keep it up.
Posted by: DeadWood on December 22, 2004 12:56 PMPosted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 12:25 PM"
Who told Bush WMD's were there?
CIA Director George Tenat
Who put Tenat into office?
Bill Clinton
Who also attack Iraq (Desert Fox - Dec'98) because of WMD?
Bill Clinton
Sorry DJ, but precedence was set years before Bush took office.
Posted by: Dave P. on December 22, 2004 12:57 PMI didn't pass a physical. My eyesight is too poor. I tried to sign up after H.S.
Posted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 12:59 PMGood job. Gregoire also blamed her staff for the problems in her office, but said, candidly, that the buck stopped with her, that ultimately, she was responsible.
Where's Bush telling the American public that he was wrong, that his staff gave him bad info, but the buck stops with him and he accepts responsibility? He would earn more respect from many of us in the central and left if he could just admit that he's wrong.
I didn't vote for Dino because he lied about his business experience. If he can't even be candid about whether he's a Real Estate Broker vs Real Estate Agent, I can't honestly trust him to be truthful with me on other issues.
I voted for Gregoire because she can admit when she's wrong. I don't need a leader to be right on every issue, but one to be strong enough to admin when he/she isn't.
Posted by: DustinJames on December 22, 2004 01:05 PMAccording to a reliable inside source, King County election officials just this morning found 200,000 Ohio votes for John Kerry! They are understandably beffudled at how these votes found their way to King County. (Apparently Sandy Berger inadvertently placed these votes in his pants before taking a cross-country trip.)
Posted by: David on December 22, 2004 01:05 PMHow interesting, as your insight is also too poor as well!
Also though, is there no proof of residency required to vote in Washington? Seems odd to be able to register without proving you were actually in residence for a minimum amount of time.
Posted by: neutral observer on December 22, 2004 01:08 PMHats off to them though for fulfilling their civic responsibility to vote.
"Harder" though, sounds a little like one of those creative fake names that the fraud-artists alwasy seem to come up. When you meet Mike and Michael Harder, you can be sure that their twin brothers Dick and Dick B are not far behind.
Posted by: David on December 22, 2004 01:17 PMThe party of business, the GOP, currently led by minority neo-conservatives do not have the best interests of the American people, neither Left nor Right, in mind. The rich, longer interested in supporting a middle class, use psychological means such as this to delude, to divide and divert attention from their hand in our pockets.
"Government, Liberals, Democrats. Blame them". Yeah right.
If you were paying attention David, noone ever said they were homeless. Their address is not listed as the administration building. Read more carefully next time.
Dino pulled out his wallet, gave the person his business card and $20.00 with the instructions to buy some food and then come see him in the morning for a job.
A few blocks later another homeless person asked for assistance. Remembering the kindness of Dino, Christine decided to also help out.
She reached into Dino's wallet, pulled out four $5.00 bills, gave $5.00 to the homeless for food and kept the remaining $15.00 for "administrative purposes".
That is sums up the difference between Democrats and Republicans in a nutshell. To bad the State Supreme Court has ruled that State Law doesn't apply to King County. What about those military ballots that weren't mailed out in time? Will those be counted now? Since the vast majority of them tend to be Republican voters, I doubt it.
As to this article, this is a very easy way to commit fraud. Guess the truth is being noticed now. If you want to steal elections, just run as a Democrat in King County and the party will do the rest.
Posted by: Chris on December 22, 2004 02:28 PMHowever, county election officials in all 39 counties have interpreted the "certification date" in RCW 29A.60.190(1) -- setting a deadline for receipt of the absentee ballots -- to be November 17, 2004 -- the date on which county officials certified the original count.
This is the first time any appellate court has intepreted the meaning of "certification date". Presumably, the same definition should apply to RCW 29A.60.190(1) as to RCW 29A.60.210.
This means that all the absentee ballots that were received after November 17, 2004 (or whatever other date counties decided to stop counting) must be counted. Most of these will be military ballots and overseas voters. Military and overseas ballots merely need to be signed on or before election day, with the postmark date being irrelevant. Any other absentee ballots -- i.e. those mailed by non-military voters from within the United States -- must have a U.S. postmark on or before 11/02/2004 to be counted.
Posted by: Richard Pope on December 22, 2004 03:00 PMRichard Daley (Senior)
C/O Beelzebub
PS Its hot down here too.
Posted by: Michael on December 22, 2004 03:54 PMRichard Daley (Senior)
C/O Beelzebub
PS Its hot down here too.
Posted by: Michael on December 22, 2004 03:54 PMRichard Daley (Senior)
C/O Beelzebub
PS Its hot down here too.
Posted by: Michael on December 22, 2004 03:55 PMAl Bore
Posted by: Michael on December 22, 2004 04:03 PMAlbert Einstein
Posted by: Michael on December 22, 2004 04:06 PMLittle Vladimir
Lubyanka Palace
There is so little trust in the election officials and procedures. I'd like to see the two sides argue before the Supreme Court with a once-and-for-all final comprehensive case of claims and counter-claims (fraud, precinct 1823, malfeasance, etc.) We need to close the book on this one and get on with life.
Posted by: solierservant on December 22, 2004 05:17 PMTricky Dicky
moldering and still smoldering
+ Reside – v. to dwell for a long time; to live (in or at)
+ Dwell – v. To make ones home; reside.
+ Resident – adj. Living in a place while working.
+ Resident – n. One who lives in a place, not a visitor.
What dictionary is the King County Records & Election Office using for defining the word, resident? Better yet, what language is the King County Administration speaking? Apparently, it is not English.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the residence laws in the State of Washington require somebody to live in a residentially zoned location within the State for a prescribed period of time (three (3) months?) to be declared a resident. And students paying out of state tuition (for they declared they reside out of state at the time of Admission – as stated on many college application forms) are not residents of the State for they cannot become a State resident until they move their immediate family (usually, the parents paying the bills) into the State at a residentially zoned address for the prescribed period of time, drop out and move to a new in-state location (not a dorm room) for a prescribed period of time, or until they graduate from the school and move to a new in-state location for the prescribed period of time to become a State resident. The address cannot be a mailing address like a PO Box or private postal mail box, and has to be a residentially zoned location, unless it is a non-traditional residential location.
This is the reason why the Department of Licensing (DOL) mails your driver’s license (or State ID) to your residential address, and not the mailing address, to ensure and prove you live at the location. The mailing address is only used to receive notifications, traffic violations, court dates, and the like to the person, and State certified identification credentials and documents (including Absentee Ballots) to the residentially zoned address to prove the individual is residing at the location. People can list a Park as their residence, as long as the United States Post Office recognizes it as valid mail stop address. But then again, when is the last time you saw a public mail stop box at a Park outside of a US Forest Ranger’s or Park Superintendent’s mailbox - which, upon arrangement with Ranger or Superintendent can be done?
WAC 434-208-100, “Registering to Vote – nontraditional addresses,” does stipulate that a person registering to vote must meet all of the qualifications of a registered voter in the State of Washington and shall not be disqualified because of a non-traditional physical address being used as a residential address. These non-traditional addresses can be shelters, parks (as mentioned above), or other locations deemed as the voter’s residential address. However, the voter must meet all of the qualifications of a registered voter within the State of Washington (have a valid State of Washington sanctioned ID, PROVE they have been a resident of the State of Washington for the prescribed time, and more) and have a valid mailing address.
One of the issues is it is against the law to have a former residential address on a State sanctioned Driver’s license or Identification Card. If the person changes residence, the person is obligated by law to notify the DOL about his/her new residential address, whether it is a non-traditional address or not. If the identification does not display the current residential address, then the identification is not valid. (In some instances, a police officer can cite a person with a fine for not having the current or proper residential address listed for the identification.)
Don’t get me wrong, I believe every citizen has the right to vote in an election, including displaced people, as long as they are cognizant of their own actions and can prove they are citizens. However, for local and State elections, every voter must prove they are a legal resident of the state prior to voting within these elections. The way people are defining WAC 434-208-100 is it somehow defines the qualifications of a voter within the State of Washington. WAC 434-208-100 does not define voter eligibility, but simply states that voters shall not be disqualified because of a non-traditional physical address being used as a residential address. Thus, voters with non-traditional addresses still have to prove they are legal residents of the State of Washington for the prescribed amount of time in order to vote in local elections. Proof usually includes cancelled checks of rent payments at a residential address, a bank account (open or closed) with a local bank showing you had lived in WA State for a while, and old voter's registration card, etc. Without these voter qualifications, a candidate could drive in a busload of people from out of state, who will vote for the candidate, in exchange for a hot meal and blanket, money, or a job. This is called Electioneering, and it is illegal.
WAC 434-208-100 also stipulates that voters using a non-traditional residential address must have a valid mailing address. I did not know the address of the King County Records & Election Office was a mail stop or US Post Office with PO Boxes for private mail. Isn’t that a form of electioneering to validate a questionable voter with the address of Election Registration Office? Maybe I should list my private mailing address to be 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC, and have the President of the US hold my mail for me until I get around to Washington DC to pick it up. In other words, that is an abuse of public facilities and cause for criminal investigation into possible electioneering fraud by a local government to defraud the public.
So without proof of State residency, valid WA State Identification (with a current residential address whether traditional or non-traditional), and valid mailing addresses for private mail, these absentee ballots should not be accepted into the recount, because we cannot prove these voters are real, or in fact, residents of the State of Washington.
Posted by: Eric on December 22, 2004 06:02 PMAs they see it, Gregoire will represent "More of the Same Democrat BS," which employers and manufacturers are not tolerating anymore. Keep in mind, if there are no businesses to hire people, then people will not have enoough money to shelter, feed and clothe their children, let alone have enough money to pay the outrageous sales taxes.
The writing has been in the sand for the past four years (as demonstrated by the almost TOTAL Boeing pullout); however, the Governor election of this year demonstrates the writing in the sand has migrated to grafitti on the wall, and constituents, through their votes, are declaring they are getting tired of the same old political clap trap the Democrats have been feeding people for many years. It is time for the Democrats to put up or shove off, and Gregoire's platform for Governor has not changed from the same platform the Democrats have had the last 12 years - but with more new taxes - which we have unfortunately discovered during our State's economic downturn DOES NOT WORK!!!!
Especially the budget proposed by Locke will increase our taxes even more - somehow I feel like one of the villagers looking for handouts from Robin Hood sometimes. Rather than increasing our taxes, why don't our elected Democrat legislature vote to decrease their salary to generate State budget income instead? Call it a salary review after a performance evaluation.
(Did you notice that around 90% of the states that were experiencing high unemployment rates BEFORE Bush was elected the first time around, were run by Democratic Governors?) It makes one go Hmmmm.
The Democrats gutted the infrastructure out of the state. It's gone, and there is no way of getting back - bye bye. The citizen's of WA are starting to starve because we do not high paying jobs to pay for our high rents, over-priced food, and clothing.
So for the sake of Washington State's continuance of being, Rossi needs to be Governor or we will not have any jobs to feed and shelter our families. If Gregoire is elected, then the phrase, "Will the last person who leaves Seattle, please turn out the lights?" will more than likely come true because the remainder of our business infrastructure will be pulling out.
Posted by: Eric on December 22, 2004 06:53 PMTo get a parking sticker in my home town you have to prove where you live. To vote -- nothing.
The Dems will steal the Washington elections. Because they can. And because they are the party of government. Without transfusions of taxpayer mmoney, they wither and die.
Posted by: Grumpy Old Man on December 22, 2004 07:03 PMSims is the latest exhibit of why Democrats should never be allowed to run anything -- they always make things worse.
Posted by: MES on December 22, 2004 08:05 PM * You must not lie about your qualifications.
* You must be certain no false information is given on the registration form.
* You must not register in two or more counties or states.
* Your must not accept payment or offer to pay another person a fee for registering to vote.
I wonder if these "voters" could be encouraged to spill the beans about item # 4?
Posted by: Splatter on December 22, 2004 08:22 PMAnd on taxes: Why do you think Boeing left? Not enough roads! How are you going to pay for roads if you won't pay taxes? Would you rather live in grass huts in the mud?
Try to think a little. Try to imagine the consequences of your actions. You're not savages, for Heaven's sake!
Posted by: AnotherLiberal on December 22, 2004 11:27 PMBottom line, big government can NOT be trusted!!!
Posted by: bob on December 23, 2004 07:56 AMH.Himler
Posted by: Gestapo on December 23, 2004 08:05 AMThe good news. Technology the "the speed of information" is making this kind of "retail" voter fraud more and more difficult to get away with. I saw this growing up in FL. Nothing new here. What is new is that the GOP is starting to get a pair after being hit with a clue-bat over the last decade. Also the pajama-clad warriors of the blogosphere are getting the word out.
What needs to happen is to change (election laws), enforce (existing and new laws), verify (voting rolls), fight (every last "smelly" ballot), and don't be intimidated. If there is voter fraud and no one is out there raising all holy h311, then the grassroots has no one to blame but themselves.
WA GOP, don't get mad: get pi55ed off and WIN.
Living well is the best revenge. If that doesn't work, victory and you cheating opponents in jail for voter fraud works just as well.
So, when will we see the masses with orange banners be seen in Olympia and King County?
If the answer is "never", then sit down and shut up. You get the government you deserve.
I wonder how America has come as far as it has with numbskulls in Olympia making idiot-challenged laws like this!!
Must suck to be an American homeless in India....
Posted by: Jesper on January 12, 2005 09:44 AM