I can't believe that any Democrat can look at this info with a straight face and say that there's not a real possibility of something that at bare minimum, swayed the election.

I don't see how King County is going to explain away all of this, and even if there's not strong enough evidence to win a court case, there's more than enough evidence to win in the court of public opinion.

There is no way that the media will be able to keep the lid on all of this, especially with bloggers going full blast, and especially when the national blogs pick up on this story after King County releases any final numbers.

And there is no way that any rational Washingtonion will have even the slightest trust or confidence in Gregoire if she manages to slither in to office.

If you are a Democrat and you are reading this, sign the petition at www.revotewa.com because your going to need this revote to keep your trust afloat when the masses realize what King County has done and turn against your party.

"The punchline is that there are 1,081 precincts with more polling ballots than polling voters, for a total of 2,634 voterless ballots. On the other hand, there are 445 precincts with more voters than ballots, for a total of 862 ballotless voters."

2,634 minus 862 is 1,772 voterless ballots. However, this should be 1,782 voterless ballots, based on 305,616 ballots from the machine recount, less 303,834 actual poll voters.

Unlike King County's ballot and voter accounting system, there is absolutely no way your computer analysis should be off by one ballot, much less ten.

http://polipundit.com/wp-comments-popup.php?p=5838&c=1#comments

See #5 and subsequent. I think Paul Hooson has met his match.

Let's see if a tiny url link to PoliPundit will work as a live link. Otherwise, nevermind....

Stefan has corrected 2,634 voterless poll ballots to 2,644 voterless poll ballots and the numbers balance again.

Keep in mind that Stefan has only analyzed poll ballots. The 1,782 net voterless poll ballots only account for a little over half of the 3,539 net voterless ballots in King County.

Stay tuned as the Shark tears his teeth into the fraudulent numbers regarding absentee ballots, and provisional ballots ...

Even WITHOUT any additional discrepancies the Shark may lay bare WRT absentee and provisional ballots (you can bet there will be more to come), I would respectfully propose consideration of and comment on the following:

Just this "gang of 3506" polling ballot errors alone; that should have been fully investigated and addressed by the KC canvassing board PRIOR to final certification; would seem to be ample justification under the existing RCWs for someone to file an election contest in State court and / or an equal protection case in Federal court. Since any registered voter can file, AFAIK no reason it has to wait for the Rossi campaign or the WSRP to do it; and Rossi / WSRP options would not be prejudiced by others filing first.

Might it be a good idea for "somebody" to file an election contest or an equal protection action as soon as possible, using data already dug up by the Shark for starters ??... Would a potential benefit of doing so perhaps be to give the WSRP more time to grind out details; while giving our (R) minorities in the State House and Senate some ammunition to try and delay formal certification of That Woman as Gov by the Legislature ?? Everybody is talking about the possibility of there being an election contest, but until somebody actually FILES one, talk is all there is.

One reason I mention the above: I got email reply from a serving member of the Legislature indicating that when certification of the race for Gov comes before lawmakers for approval in a joint session on 11 January, there will be a serious effort to defer that action. Given (D)s are in control of both houses that will likely be a steep hill to climb, but I am encouraged that there are legislators willing to push it.

Anyway: Only 8 days and counting until 11 Jan. If there is going to be any kind of a case officially on file prior to that 11 January vote, it's gonna have to be filed by somebody real soon...

Anybody know a good lawyer familiar with this area ?? I would be willing to kick in $100 for starters to support a near-term filing. I'm guessing that it would not take a huge number of $100 donations before at least an initial filing could be covered (actually pursuing a case to a decision would of course be a very different story).

Methow Ken

In several counties in Florida, 77% of registered voters are Democrats. Yet anywhere from 90% Republican to 142% Registered Republicans voted.

If 77% of a county is registered Democrat, then how did 142% of the vote come from Registered Republicans? The Registered Republicans should had been 32% not 142%.

If you are un-willing to investigate Voter Fraud in Florida, then all I can say to you is this...

Get over it, Move On.

What in hell does Florida have to do with the election of a governor in Washington? Inquiring minds want to know.

Keep up the good work Shark! Thousands and thousands are watching this fiasco unfold and rooting not necessarily for Rossi, but for justice.

She should step down immediately.

"It's not just that marks on paper are being interpreted differently from one count to the next, it's that entire pieces of paper materialize, vanish and reappear, over and over again as if there's no baseline for reconciliation, such as the number of voters who voted in that precinct.

The most serious problem is that there are at least 3,539 ballots for whom there are no identified voters. Even after you adjust for the most obvious misattributions, there are still thousands of unexplained discrepancies in the vote count. King County says that the voter list is preliminary and will be "finalized" this week."

Looking (again) at just the last sentence, I ask: "How is it the King County Board reported this as a certified count and Sam Reed verified their assertion?

MAGNUM SERPENTINE - You've got some pretty heavy stats there. I suppose you can provide the back up numbers?

I think that's a point which needs to be hammered over and over again.

Ditto for the Attorney General's (!) office. With emphasis on the *independent* part.

"If you are un-willing to investigate Voter Fraud in Florida, then all I can say to you is this...
Get over it, Move On."

We are residents of Washington State. It would be prudent to take care of issues in our own state that affect us right now, instead of trying to take care of other state's issues before we take care of our own. This issue affects us in so many ways, and here you try to grasp at ropes of sand with the Florida Fraud issue "card". Geez, how could you want to deal with Florida Fraud, when you don't even want to deal something in your own home state! F.Y.I., I am a Libertarian, and if the tables were turned around, I would want the same investigation, same possible revote due to fraud on Rossi's part. If it were a Libertarian candidate guilty of such, I would demand an investigation and revote. Fraud is not acceptable in any instance.
Your being selective as to dealing with potential fraud is saddening.

And, as Richard has pointed out, there is no fraudulent over-voting by Republicans in Florida. For decades most democrats vote for republican presidential candidates there, particularly in Florida's northern counties.

your genius do not stop doing what your
doing what your doing.the dems are scared
to death of you.Keep it up!!

your a genius do not stop doing what your
doing what your doing.the dems are scared
to death of you.Keep it up!!

What in hell does Florida have to do with the election of a governor in Washington? Inquiring minds want to know.

Nothing at all, of course. Magnum just demonstrates the urgency with which partisan tools hope to change the subject before too many people catch on.

Those Florisa counties are dixiecrat counties. They register Democrat & have been voting for Republicans for years. Even Bob Dole won in these counties back in '96.

There is plenty of information on this subject if you take the time to research things rather than re-spout factless loony conspiracy theories.

Change the system so that each precinct or county counts it's votes, but that all counts are kept secret until everyone is finished counting.

aren't we all glad we didn't just shut up and go away like all the big mouths in the media suggested? Nice job Schram, nice job Times, reminds me I have a phone call to make.

press on

speaking of not shutting up as the media suggested, at 4wethepeople.com/wa.htm you can order orange ribbon stickers today, the orange magnetic ribbons are being worked on. No, we will not shut up.

I'm guessing the phone call you had to make was to cancel a subscription to a news paper?

Press On, we will. Don't forget rally outside of Ft. Lewis, tommorrow @ 4p.m. and next Tuesday the 11th, in front of the capitol (wear orange), time to be announced.

Orange Robyn

this is a good point ctmohr brings up. does anyone know the answer to this??

Two reporters from one of Florida's major newspapers spent three days recounting the votes. The results? Bush did indeed win those areas by a huge margin, fair and square. The democrats in that area are dixiecrats who apparently, in large number, could not stomach the liberal senator from Massachessets.

It is unfortunate that Mr. Serpentine and others choose to ignore the findings of that particular recount and continue to make wild and baseless charges. There is absolutely no comparison between the situation that occurred in Florida and the apparent fraud in King County and they know it.

As I've heard, the prior elections director quit after repeated serious mistakes(voters not receiving a ballot, voters receiving the wrong ballot, etc.)

Also, as I've been told, the prior elections supervisor was fired when she was caught trying to cover-up mistakes and then lied about why the mistakes occurred.

One question that comes to mind. As hopelessly muddled as the voter/ballot counts seem in King county, are most other counties in the state able to reconcile their totals?

I'm not sure how many precincts and ballots they counted in the Florida panhandle, but it does make one wonder how KC could be so slow.

Also, it took KC seemingly forever to count in counts 1, 2 and 3. Yet, the day after the Supreme court decision, the 3 person canvassing board counted and analyzed 700 something ballots in 4 hours or so when they knew they were racing towards their apparent victory. Were the other counts slowed down in a calculated way to ensure King County would be able to report last, and, if needed, adjust the way in which they were counting to guarantee Gregoire's victory?

Just another thing that makes you go "hmmmmmm".

Not everyone returns all five of the punch cards in Franklin County. I think they get the number of ballots cast from the number of people returning the first punch card, which may or may not be the most popular one.

If you wanted to know the number of actual people voting in Franklin County, you would get the list of actual voters. Since not everyone returned the punch card with the Governor's race on it, there should actually be fewer ballots counted for Governor, than actual people voting.

In San Mateo County, where I worked as a precinct officer, each precinct has its own ballot box. Voters are given ballots and are supposed to drop the ballots in the ballot box themselves. Polling places with multiple precincts therefore have multiple ballot boxes. If it's slow, it's easy to ensure that they drop the ballot in the right box; if it isn't slow, it's terribly difficult. We had *two* ballots dropped in the wrong box in our polling place. (We discovered it in the audit at the end of the night, and notified the county elections department in our reports - so there's no excuse for the lack of discovery).

I don't understand how polling place ballots could be misclassified as provisionals. It's trivially easy to misclassify provisionals as polling place ballots, however: since most voters (but not provisional voters!) are supposed to drop the ballots in the box themselves, provisional voters can - and do - accidentally forget to return the provisional ballots to the poll workers, and instead

You don't seem to have completed your thought, which is just as well because you seemed to be headed in the wrong direction. When provisional ballots are handed out, they are folded by the election judge which causes them to be rejected by the Accuvote machine. The only way for a provisional ballot to be counted is to be placed into a security sleeve, slipped into a provisional ballot envelope, and put in the side pocket of the big black box.

Each ballot has a bar-code that uniquely indentifies the precinct. When you feed them through a machine, it doesn't matter where (which precinct) they are from - the machine counts them without problem.

In the hand count, all these ballots must be separated by people whose eyes are ready to burst into flames from looking at thousands of ballots every day, and then summarized accordingly.

Machine - good. Hand - bad.

Just when I'm thinking there is a lull in your investigation........WHAM! You bring more out - both barrels!

You inspire us all in Washington State! Keep it coming!

Is that voter fraud as well or is it OK in counties that voted for Rossi?

Just because I have a blog primarily devoted to fart jokes doesn't make me an idiot.