Tim Harris of the BIAW tells me that they have identified 76 felons who voted in King County, adding to the several dozen other felon voters the group identified in Pierce and Snohomish Counties.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 13, 2005 05:47 PM | Email ThisI'm impressed at the amount of errant votes that are popping up- great job. But the paranoia w/in tells me Fraudoire is going to sell the courts that going back to a revote in feb would cause too much damage.
Posted by: Andy on January 13, 2005 06:00 PM
Boeing announced layoffs in excess of 30,000 employees impacting this state heavily, and Christine said NO! What does she want us to do, flip burgers for a living.
V/r Chris
Even most people i know who think their democrats want a revote. Dems are getting scared.
Posted by: steveyd26 on January 13, 2005 06:03 PMThis should show that GreGore and the other tyrants are not in the least bit interested in the pay levels of WA workers. They always accuse Republicans of being in bed with business, but the Dems are just as much in bed with them, as long as they keep paying up.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on January 13, 2005 06:06 PMWell......upholding the law can be a messy business at times! It isn't always pretty or convenient - but without it - where would we, as a society, be?
The damage has already been done! To ignore it and not allow for a complete investigation and a revote - would cause more damage than this State could possibly recover from.....
Our courts have to follow the law - they can't do favors for Mrs. Gregoire....
Posted by: Deborah on January 13, 2005 06:12 PMPosted by: tina on January 13, 2005 06:14 PM
You said,
"Like gregoire said "every vote counts"; Felon, deceased, illegal alien, non-citizens, multiple and animal. this is so sad. we need to have a rallie like they did in kiev, ukraine. i live in olympia and have room for a few people. "
We just had a revote rally on the 11th in Olympia.
You said, "Tomorrow is when Rossi is filing suit, right? Or did I remember that incorrectly? If so, it should be interesting, and I'll bet a whole lot of people are very, very busy right now."
The suit was filed in Chelan County last week. It was supposed to be heard tomorrow, but the Dems and Libertarians intervened and it is postponed until next Thursday, the 20th. I'm interested to know what they could accomplish by delaying it a week, just as the first post questions. Any ideas?
Posted by: Orange Robyn on January 13, 2005 06:27 PMI thought the delay was pseudo advantagious. The skeletons seem to be popping up almost daily.
Posted by: Andy on January 13, 2005 06:37 PMThe Supreme Court "interprets" the law, so they can read it any way they want.
The Supreme Court has actually thrown out several "elections" .... On numerous occassions that have thrown out voter initiates that limited taxes or government.
So, it wouldn't be unnusual for them to throw out this "election." That will make it even more disgusting when they decline to throw it and their buddy GreGore out.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on January 13, 2005 06:54 PMRevote!
Posted by: Ferrous on January 13, 2005 07:00 PMIf these votes discovered to be cast by felons in Snohomish, Pierce and King Counties by BIAW can be verified as such, then - along with the other admitted evidence of the double voters, dead voters, provisional ballots, voterless ballots, etc. - they must certainly be enough to void the first vote.
The Democrats in power, however, must be losing sleep over this. What's even better is that, when the State has the opportunity to re-vote on this election, the citizens of the state won't forget the behavior of their representatives toward them when the next election rolls around.
Don't be worried about Gregoire's inauguration! It means nothing and could prove to be providential in exposing the true partisan character of our Democrat representatives. That may be the undoing of the Democrats strangle-hold on power in this state that they have wielded year after year for a very long time.
This could ultimately be their undoing. Not a bad return for having to wait a few weeks for a re-vote, is it?
I hope this blows up in a big way and makes Christine's first day at work very ugly. However, the message has already been sent to global-Europe that Washington State is not interested.
Posted by: Chris on January 13, 2005 07:08 PMYa know, I think she is up to something...Think about it, Airbus has been getting kickbacks from their French government subsidies, which sink Boeing on the international market. Do you think CG might actually be playing the field on this? Trying to make herself the "Boeing Savior" by not allowing Airbus into the market?
It also allows her to seem not so French (you know...Gregoire is French, for what, I do not know)...
Posted by: smegma on January 13, 2005 07:35 PMWe are already subject to civil disobedience - oh, sorry, "my bad"...elections don't matter when "our 'guy' wins"...we need to tell the 'duly elected' to stuff it.
Gregoire has some 'splaining' to do...
Posted by: smegma on January 13, 2005 08:06 PMCivil disobedience. Great idea. Let's mix it with the rational numbers don't mean anything anymore line of thought.
Everybody speed to work tommorrow. At least 30 miles over the limit. Then when you get pulled over for doing, say, 102 in a 60 tell them 102...60... tied, right?!?
Posted by: Jericho on January 13, 2005 08:51 PMSeriously the judge in Chelan removing himself concerns me.
Posted by: Andy on January 13, 2005 09:18 PM
Ken Schram Commentary: They’re Eating Their Own
Fanatics within the state Republican party are targeting Secretary of State Sam Reed.
They want him gone and have started a recall effort to boot him out of office.
Why?
Because Sam Reed had the audacity to operate within the guidelines of state law in dealing with the insanity of what we now simply call “The Election.”
(Isn't someone going to finally say enough)
Remember when Stefan told us about Mr. Mike Harder AND Michael D. Harder, who both registered within a few months of each other? I decided to do my first-ever FOIA request to see if our 'friend' Mr. Harder indeed voted twice.
Lisa Moore from King co. Elections informed me "We have since been cleaning up our files and have merged the two duplicate records together for Mr. Harder. The records showed no voter history at all."
I'm glad of THAT, but if Stefan hadn't pointed out the double registration, do we really think they would have cleaned this one up??? Nooooo!
Another small victory to get King county to clean up the voter rolls...Thanks, Stefan for embarrassing them into actually doing their jobs!
Posted by: Michele on January 13, 2005 09:22 PMIronically, the thing that will assure Boeing's survival is not supression of competition and government subsidy but precisely the opposite, vigorous competition and free markets that will require Boeing to be the best it can be to stay ahead.
By shunning Airbus, Gregoire is helping to destroy our largest employer, keeping jobs and economy out of Washington and showing her true political and philosophical colors. Thanks Christine, this will make it all the easier for Rossi to defeat you when there is a re-vote.
Posted by: Jeff B. on January 13, 2005 09:32 PMAndy - Hey! Another father's rights activist. It's nice to meet you (sort of).
If you think it's bad for Dad out there now, wait until GreGore gets charged up and throws some bones to the rabid feminists in King County while she does her head fake for moderation.
I wouldn't be surprised if the she declares that the state has formally changed to Nepoleonic Law in family courts.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on January 13, 2005 09:33 PMIf so I'd suggest some of you blogging bulldogs get on Lonewolf's tip.
Posted by: Jericho on January 13, 2005 09:41 PMI'll either have to have that beer over here in Japan or wait until May of 2006 (when I return to the states).
(Voted absentee and have been watching this play out every step of the way. Prompted my relatives back home to at least contact our legislators. Posted a response I received from Rep. Moeller a short while back that regurgitated the Democrat party line. Boy, are they ever going to suffer when the next wave of elections rolls around. Do they really think we are going to let anyone forget their behavior during this process?)
Posted by: JRR on January 13, 2005 09:41 PMI think that is what most of us are saying, that we have had enough of politicians not being held accountable for their actions.
Besides if businesses are now going to have to build their own facilities and train their own employees what does that mean in regard to my efforts to get the tyranny sector to buy me a building?
Posted by: Jericho on January 13, 2005 09:48 PMThe court date has been postponed because the judge "recused" himself. Here is the quote from today's times article.
"The change in judges also caused a week's postponement in a preliminary hearing originally scheduled for tomorrow"
Posted by: kristen on January 13, 2005 09:58 PMClick my name to read about the KC head jailer who has been placed on paid leave. Did he insert juvenile charges into the adult pile? Or did he lose track of the number of cons (prisoners) (inmates)...people... of which he was supposed to have track?
Don't know why those things would get him canned in Queen County.
Posted by: Jericho on January 13, 2005 10:05 PMWe wouldn't have to say anything. They would get the message.
Be a great way of telling them that 'business as usual' has come to an end.
Posted by: ERNurse on January 13, 2005 10:29 PM- I am an aerospace professional, not with the Big 'B' but all the same I want them to remain strong.
Posted by: Jon on January 13, 2005 10:34 PMI like how your Dad thinks!
Posted by: Deborah on January 13, 2005 11:17 PMSue
Posted by: Sue on January 14, 2005 05:25 AMBecause Chris Wickham was recently elected to Superior Court, maybe, at least he'll be out of family court. I am a step-mom of two special needs kids, whom thankfully now reside with me and my husband. It was Chris W. who saw fit to appoint a guardian ad-litem. But, other than that what I witness time and time again is his position towards mothers (if you can call them that), is one of pity - he buys into their "poor me" act and penalizes the fathers (who from what I've seen tend to be hard working, caring, responsible men). It is nauseating to say the least. Just had to put in my two cents from a female perspective. I agree with you entirely.
BTW, I contacted BIAW and they are going to call me back when they get to cross-referencing lists in Thurston county.
Stay upbeat everyone. And, if someone does organize a rally for a Saturday, I know of people who will attend that couldn't take time off work on Tuesday.
Go Orange! Go Democracy!
Posted by: Orange Robyn on January 14, 2005 09:05 AMDo we just wear anything orange?
DKM--Thanks for your comments. My parents live in Oregon and are angry about what is happening in Washington, too. So I know we have a lot of Oregon supporters. They are tired of Oregon being run by the DEMS in Eugene and Portland, just as much as we are sick of Washington DEMS running the Washington from Seattle and Olympia.
Posted by: Lookout-Wife on January 14, 2005 10:50 AMGladly! Send me an email. I am located in central Lacey. I saw that someone else mentioned the Sleater-Kinney overpass. I think it might be more effective to be on the overpass on Capitol Blvd. It is a nice one, lots of rooms for orange ribbons and close to the capitol. Let me know where you are located. By the way, Support our Troops are going to be at exit 122 - it is their two year anniversary. I have a prior obligation this Saturday, but if anyone is interested go support your troops and maybe wear orange. :)
Any other takers to organize something for next Saturday. 10:30 a.m.
Posted by: Orange Robyn on January 14, 2005 11:52 AM1) it's not an American company - the profits won't be going back into the States but back to Europe. These profits will be used to employ more NON-American workers elsewhere.
This strengthens AirBus and weakens Boeing, making it difficult to maintain American-owned companies in the States.
2) It sets a bad precedence. AirBus *IS* subsidized by the Europeans because without it, AirBus couldn't compete with Boeing in either marketshare or technology. By allowing AirBus to build here, it tells the Europeans that it's okay to subsidise their companies to hurt American companies.
We need the jobs here, but the aircraft manufacturing jobs should be provided by Boeing, not AirBus. The Feds need to either start subsidizing Boeing at the EXACT same percentage level as the Europeans do with AirBus or get the Europeans to stop by taking them to the WTO. Of course, with the level of OUR economy, subsidizing Boeing at the same percentage level would reck havok with AirBus and it's market - the Europeans who hold shares with AirBus couldn't match that level.
3) Absolutely NO military program should ever be farmed out to foreign competition regardless if it's a plane for in-flight refuling or armor plating on Stryker assualt vehicles (and we all know how well the Germans did on THAT, don't we?).
I say, keep AirBus out but do so by making Boeing strong.
And then send Christine Gregoire to live in France.
Reply to Joe Cotten:
"A close, razor thin election and your guy loses. But the Democrat didn't use the Supreme Court to manipulate the outcome, right? Awww, hurts. Don't it?"
Actually, Joe, Gore DID in fact use the Florida State Supreme Court to manipulate the outcome by demanding endless recounts until he got the numbers he wanted. It never happened though, he kept losing. And he wanted more and more recounts. What the U.S. Supreme Court did was simply STOP the recounts. And it was a unanimous decision, even the liberals on the U.S. Supreme Court said "enough".
Now, who else demanded recounts until they won? Kept saying that 261 "wasn't a win but a tie?" and then declared victory with a 129 vote lead?
The big problem (and DIFFERENCE) between Florida 2000 and Washington 2004 was the facts that King County screwed the pooch too many times with too many issues. 30 or 40 different problems all lead to help only Gregoire, in all the things that went wrong (or illegal) nothing ever benifited Rossi. More votes than people. Dead voting. Convicted felons illegally voting and affidavites from over 300 overseas military personal who said they never got the chance to vote but would have voted for Rossi. When you have a "razor-thin" victory, things that go wrong REALLY add up. And in this case, they all add up AGAINST Gregoire.
Now, you are either a fool or a partisan hack not to realize that.
You choose.