January 15, 2005
Democrats defending the felon vote
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports that the Democrats are manning all battlestations to defend illegal voting by felons. "GOP's request for criminal list raises concern":
Comparing voter lists with the state's criminal history database, as Republicans are doing in their attempt to nullify the gubernatorial election, infringes on voter privacy and could have a "chilling" effect on voter turnout, Democrats said yesterday.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 15, 2005
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1. Could Jenny Durkan possibly be any more ridiculous? The Democrats need to find themselves a better lawyer. Or at least a better spokesman.
2. "Chiiling" means they are afraid the felons won't turn out for them or that they cannot illegally vote for the felons!!!!!!!!
3. If the various election boards were doing their job, the R's wouldn't have to do this. The fact that the D's are fighting it, and the boards aren't doing it, leads to the conclusion that they are covering up either mistakes or fraud.
4. "Chilling" means felons may think about voting and not vote for a Demon. or that others may register with a known felons name and then decide not to vote.
Poor Demoncrat babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. "Chilling" means felons may think about voting and not vote for a Demon. or that others may register with a known felons name and then decide not to vote.
Poor Demoncrat babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. "Exercising the right to vote should never be an activity that triggers a criminal investigation," said Jenny Durkan
I agree!
However, since felons DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT...
Attempts by felons to participate in the voting process should ALWAYS be an activity that triggers a criminal investigation.
7. This is what I think of this State, the morally and ethically dishonest politicians and it's corruptable citizenry, a symbol of utter disgust. Sam Reed in particular.
http://img70.exs.cx/img70/9206/wastflag39dd.gif
Who are the felons in this instance?
8. Do Democrats think that Republicans are trying to check to see every voter is a felon? How ludicous! It's to check felons against the voter list. No one who is not a felon will never be looked at.
It is chilling to think that Dems are plain out of common sense.
9. Oh so chilling. Felons are public record. Again perception is everything. Will the public look kindly on dems BLOCKING more efficient/speedier ways for Rossi to state part of his case? Nope. Especially since the majority thinks a revote is necessary and fair.
10. "Chilling effect" isn't what we want. We want a "freezing effect"! Keep these folks out of the voting booth until they're reinstated.
11. I'm still worried about how many dead felons that voted twice, had their ballots enhanced incorrectly and then miscounted for the wrong side....
Oh lighten up...I was up reading here until 3:30 AM trying to get caught up :)
I promise I'll be more serious next time !
12. The dems are right back to their tired old playbook of "shoot the messenger". The big evil last week was the BIAW. Who's it going to be this week - the State Patrol?
13. "Exercising the right to vote should never be an activity that triggers a criminal investigation," said Jenny Durkan
That is exactly correct. It's just missing the only extremely important part. It should finish with, "Registering to vote should require proving the legal ability to vote."
The criminal investigation/background check/appropriateness should already be a done deal.
Why do we have to keep revisiting the vote as a privilege and not a right? It is, in part, because of having a large group of slow learners that already have the vote, and aren’t to rational in it’s usage. Feel free to insert your own adverbs/adjectives.
Oh, and ja? Yes she can. She has potential.
14. Oh please - yes I'm too scared to vote because I didn't pay my parking ticket. Gee they give the voters of this state of lot of credit. Just because you have to be an idiot to vote dem., they must think we're all idiots. LOL
15. This is so ridiculous, one has to wonder if there is something going on here that is even worse than we know.
Why would the Democrats sacrifice so much of their limited credibility on this?
16. This is part of the usual strategy for the CG crowd...the sanctimonious pooh-poohing of Rossi's legal discovery involving one of the dems favored constituencies.
"The felon vote is sacrosanct!"
See also "See-no-evil, hear-no-evil, speak-no-evil."
I am so shocked...
17. It must be said that if the D's are for felons voting that have not had their rights restored, then the D's are for more crime. It is a Class C Felony for a felon to vote if their civil rights have not been restored.
18. If they've paid their debt to society...they get to vote. Them's the rules in Washington State.
Curiously...some of the felons who've come out to say they voted erroneously have noted they voted for Rossi.
Kinda puts a kink in the argument that this is somehow going to help Rossi.
carla@preemptivekarma
19. It has always bothered me that Democrats I know have no problem with the felon vote. They never ask themselves the question, why do felons predominately vote Democrat? Why do terrorist predominately vote Democrat (recall the I think, NJ terrorist cell discovered to be mostly registered Democrats). Why do American enemies predominately support Democrats (e.g. the ME and EU leaders)? That doesn't bother them? They still vote for Patty Murray who idolizes Osama Bin Laden and Jim McDermott who continues to undermine the war on terror with his support of the old Bhagdad. They have no problem with their candidate for President being a documented traitor?
It is depressing.
.jax
20. Carla, how many times are you going to keep making that lame point just to be shot down again>/i>?!!? For the umpteenth time: it doesn't matter whom the felon voted for, only that they voted. Your credibility (such as it is) is decreasing each time you keep making that same statement. Give it a rest.
21. I knew that preview button was there for some reason or other..... ;o)
22. Okay...breath in...now breath out...breath in...now breath out...Carla, you need to follow this regimen in order for you to regain a semblance of cognition...
23. Yes, I sure hope the progress being made by Republicans does have a "chilling" effect on the illegal voter turnout!
24. I guess that all the deceased voters have already been 'chilled' enough. Can't let anything happen to those felons.
25. LOL - Good one Larry - the big chill!
26. "In many ways this appears to be just another attempt to muddy the waters and throw a cloud of suspicion on the election," Durkan said. "The Republican Party and Mr. Rossi have repeated in many forms that felons have voted in this election, yet they have not provided proof of a single such vote. They could have done so when they filed their claim in court; they chose not to do so."
In other words, it's necessary to have the information required to prove you need access to information which would at that point be redundant.
27. That's right South County - you've cracked the dem code. It's the same old, same old.
28. The felon voting allegations have been debunked and you know it. You're just embarrassing yourselves by flogging this dead horse. Rossi backers are just like Gregoire backers - a bunch of unobjective liars.
29. Of Course the Dems are defending the felon votes!!
King County has felons working for them in our elections!!
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0406/040211_news_election.php
I posted more detail in another thread here...But check out the story in the URL above.....it's incredible!
30. Scott in Carnation:
That "lame" point is completely relevant. Rossi has to prove these convicted felon votes tipped the scales to Gregiore. If a bunch of them give sworn testimony that they voted for Rossi...well...you get the point.
31. I think the purity of this blog is threatened by having a commentator called, Smegma". What will happen to the children who only want to find out about how poor Dino was unfairly robbed of the Governor's seat by hordes of convicted felons showing up at the polling places, muscling their way in and voting for Democrats over decent, hardworking Republicans? Then they read a comment and notice the name,"Smegma". Can you imagine the horror of your 8 year old daughter coming up to you and saying,"Daddy, What's Smegma?" Would you know how to answer that one? Make a move for decency,PLEASE, and take all the Smegma off,"Sound Politics"!
32. Why hasn't Headless lucy been banned from here yet?
I mean....come on!
33. A wise man once told me, "If the story is so implausible, that it is so weird and arcane, and it is likely to strange to be staged, then it is actually more likely to be the truth."
Well, the Washington election fiasco just get's weirder and weirder! Every corner seems to reveal one more recital for the lawsuit, one more argument for the Supreme Court to try and deny. The truth is this election keeps getting stranger, and day by day I become more convinced it must be set aside.
34. Wow! Headless calling me a problem? I can call my parents and let them know that I have Finally been promoted...I am now a "commentator"...
I need no excuse to be here. I like it here, I read the nicest people here. Why are you here, HL? Daddy gives you too much money and doesn't give you enough attention?
I must point out, it was a person who thinks like you that gave me the moniker you are so sanctimoniously scandalized of. Now how screwed up is that???
35. We have Felons developing our election software and processing,printing and sorting our ballots! I'm placing this information here as well as in another thread..because it's relevant..
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
{snippet}"Jeffrey W. Dean was the senior vice president of Global Election Systems and a director of the company in 2000 and 2001. He had access not only to King County, but to the entire suite of optical scan software used in 37 states, and the security-sensitive Windows CE program for the touch-screens. Jeffrey Dean had access to our votes, but what he is not allowed to have is access to handling any checks.
That is because his criminal sentence for twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree forbids him to handle any checks, now that he has been released from prison. According to the findings of fact in case no. 89-1-04034-1:
“Defendant’s thefts occurred over a 2 1/2 year period of time, there were multiple incidents, more than the standard range can account for, the actual monetary loss was substantially greater than typical for the offense, the crimes and their cover-up involved a high degree of sophistication and planning in the use and alteration of records in the computerized accounting system that defendant maintained for the victim, and the defendant used his position of trust and fiduciary responsibility as a computer systems and accounting consultant for the victim to facilitate the commission of the offenses.”
Diebold told The AP wire that Dean left the company when they took over, but in fact, Diebold retained him as a consultant:.........{end snippet}
36. Headless Lucy:
Frankly I'm far more horrified about explaining to my daughter why some people in our state are unwilling to examine or even admit that we've had an election with irregularities that far exceed the margin of victory than I am about explaining the definition of slang words.
And as far as handles go, "Headless Lucy" would also be tough to explain to my daughter. I am sure she would wonder why you were afraid to use your own name like I do.
37. It's a medical term, much like Bartholin's Fluid.
38. headless lucy is a medical term? Not in my editions of Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary or Merck Manual! The closest I could come was anencephaly: Congenital absence of most of the brain and spinal cord, but then again...
39. The skull, with its apelike heavy brow, jutting jaw and small brain case, is apparently that of a large male who lived about 3 million years ago.
The remarkable find, which fills a serious gap in understanding early human evolution, gives a face to the species first identified and made famous by the discovery in 1974 of the headless Lucy skeleton.
Lucy is perhaps the most famous representative of Australopithecus afarensis, the oldest known species in human evolution.
Without a skull scientists were not sure what these creatures looked like or what Lucy's position was in the human lineage.
http://www.skepticfiles.org/evo2/skullasc.htm
Of course I don't accept the theory of evolution, which of course, includes our missing link friend.
40. ENOUGH WITH THE 'CHILLING EFFECT' CRAPOLA! They haul that one out every time and it is such BULL! Yah, I'd like to scare every felon who has not yet had restored rights to vote to FEEL scared at the prospect of voting illegally. What's WRONG with these democrats??
Get them out---NOW! (the felons AND the dems) We need Dino in there. These dems have fallen off the common sense wagon a long time ago! They don't even REALIZE how crazy they sound!
41. I don't see how discovering and punishing felons
who voted illegally would have a "chilling effect"
on any person who has 1) never committed a
felony; or 2) had his rights restored [which
ought to have been explained to him as including
a restoration of his right to vote.]
The law is suppose to have a "chilling effect"
on the participation of felons in elections.
Namely, the law forbids their participation.
Felons who vote illegal ought to expect to be
caught and punished. The same is true of illegal
aliens, [who should expect to be deported.]
42. Headless Lucy,
If you are going to misquote us, do it right:
"We are saying patriotic, young Washington
citizens and lawful voters are fighting, and
dying, to defend the liberty of felons and
illegal aliens to illegal vote in elections that
the same soldiers are being effectively
disenfranchised from participating in. And we
are saying Christine Gregroire is more
interested in seizing and maintaining power than
she is in abiding by the will of the majority
of lawful voters or honoring the sacrifices
our troops."
43. Yes, a chilling effect on voter turnout. OK.
Maybe, but they seem to be benefitting from rather chilly voters ... like dead people.
44. Hey, Carla, does the fact that these are felons saying they voted for Rossi, something which cannot be proven either way, not give you pause as to the veracity of their statements, or are you as gullible about their statements as you are about the leftist dogma the Dems feed you each day after sweeping out your cage?
45. None of you halfwits have yet figured out that "Smega" is...
46. If the Democrats are fighting the release of this list to GOP, what are they trying to cover-up?
47. Hey headless lucy you are a wanabe troll... Give it up and leave it to the professionals.
48. "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a Democrat" - Will Rogers
Do you ever have spokesmen in your party that make you want to shake your head and ask "what were these people thinking when they said that?"
Us, too.
Knee-jerk reaction from some party lawyer, probably caught off-guard by a reporter looking for a sound bite. Contrary to the belief of some, reporters like to watch us step on our, well, "toes" too. It sells papers and gains viewers.
Felony convictions are public information. Please insist that your party leaders use the information carefully, ensuring that legal voters are not publicly embarrassed. Remember that some of the names of "felons" on the BIAW list turned out to be either erroneous or to have been people that have had their voting rights restored. That's the "incomplete or inaccurate" concern, and I do share that.
49. Wasn't "Smega" a character in Lord Of The Rings?
50. "The animal kingdom would probably cease to exist without smegma."Thomas J. Ritter MD
Kinda makes you see what really matters!
51. Lucy!
FOCUS!
This section of the site is dedicated to DEMOCRATS DEFENDING THE FELON VOTE.
Your constant and frighteningly abnormal interest in deflecting the discussion to bodily fluids only serves to reflect on the fact that you have nothing of substance to offer.
You would be better served (as would we ALL) offering your opinions, such as they are, over at the HA.orgy.
52. I'll leave that to you , Cheryl, as you obviously have far more experience in those matters.
53. I'll leave that to you , Cheryl, as you obviously have far more experience in those matters. -Posted by headless lucy at January 16, 2005 03:02 PM
How deliciously perfect!
She NOW resorts to the PeeWee Herman defense: "I know you are but what am I?"
Unbelievable.
54. "This could have a chilling effect in a number of communities who don't understand the terminology," Durkan said. "They may believe that their right to vote hinges upon whether they paid traffic tickets."
Translation:
Our democrat constituents are too dumb to know the difference between a felony and a misdemenor.
or:
Our democrat constituents are too dumb (and not honest enough) to ask if their record disqualifies them from voting.
Gee, I wonder how their constituents feel about being thought of in this manner?
The truth is it just reinforces my opinion on the hidden meaning behind "count every vote". It is, in truth, political correctness gone wild. It has destroyed the ability of these people to use common sense in matters such as this for fear of hurting someone's feelings.
55. If the Democrats continue to try and obstruct the release of the felons list, that should be publicized in the Court case - keep shining light on this story-- Sound Politics. There is already more than enough evidence by which to get this election for Governor thrown out. That isn't going to tip the scales, but it will show that Jeanne Durkin and the Demoncats are desperate and apparently have something to hide.
Consider if the WASC (when the case gets there) is going to objectively interpret the constitution and applicable WAC and RCW's or ignore what doesn't fit their prescribed agenda - maybe they will surprise us and NOT lower themselves to the level of the Florida Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore . For those of you libs, who think Bush was selected, talk to the hand...
56. On the contrary, if the margin of victory is exceed by documented cases of people ineligible to vote, we know that we do not know the true will of legitimate voters of the state. Irregardless of whom the illegal voter voted for, his vote disenfranchised/cancelled out the vote of a legal voter for every other candidate in the election.