February 01, 2005
Voter Database Update

Clark County has now been added to the voter database.

See if you can find the 225 magical mystery voters that the county auditor cannot find.

And speaking of Clark County, a reader from Vancouver e-mails:

REVOTE RALLY PLANNED FOR GREGOIRE’S RECEPTION

WHEN: Wednesday, February 2, 2005

WHERE: 605 Barnes Road, Vancouver, WA

(Red Cross Building in the Vancouver Historic Reserve)

TIME: 4:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m.

(Let’s try to get a large there crowd by 5:30p.m.)

Bring your REVOTE signs – printed or otherwise, and wear something ORANGE.

This will be a peaceful rally . We want to remind Ms. Gregoire, Mayor Pollard and the City Council that we aren’t happy with this election and are insisting on a revote.

(This reception is hosted by Mayor Pollard and the City Council for the “invited business owners”.)

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 01, 2005 04:57 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Clutter the mind and you’ll clutter the soul,
Each demon’s heart is as black as coal....

Posted by: Ken Muller on February 1, 2005 05:13 PM
2. Several of us will be at the rally at 3:45, just in case she "skips out" early.

Posted by: Susu on February 1, 2005 05:29 PM
3. Hopefully, at some point the Republicans here will follow suit of the Democrats on the national level.

Though feeling the election was stolen by Bush in 2000, nevertheless, they extended Bush the respect due the President.

Will the republicans give our current governor the same respect?

The lawsuit is in process...if it ends in a new election so be it. Until then, we have a governor and respect is due the office.

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 06:02 PM
4. Come one, come all to the Revote Rally

The reception is an exclusive event, which according to Vancouver City Attorney Gaithe is by invitation only, and is apparently for the business community.

The Revote Rally is for any and all who care about election integrity and requires no reservation or business affiliation to attend.

Respectfully submitted,

Posted by: Margaret on February 1, 2005 06:15 PM
5. I agree Jim. I'm not a democrat, but I think some degree of respect is due to a person who is a public servant. Most of those who serve, could do a lot better financially by being in the private sector. I'm not a fan of hers, but my faith tells me that compared to Jesus, we all have our shortcomings. She's one of God's creatures. I'm sure He thinks she is valuable.

Posted by: Marshall Smith on February 1, 2005 06:16 PM
6. Respect is something that has to be earned. That is something that she has not done.

Posted by: Gil on February 1, 2005 06:19 PM
7. Gil, that is a very sad statement. Care to back it up with facts?

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 06:23 PM
8. Jim,

I'll tell you a sad statement; why don't you back this one up with facts:

"Though feeling the election was stolen by Bush in 2000, nevertheless, they extended Bush the respect due the President."

What planet have you been living on? Must be the Blue Planet....

What a crock.

Posted by: Ken on February 1, 2005 06:30 PM
9. "Though feeling the election was stolen by Bush in 2000, nevertheless, they extended Bush the respect due the President."

Al Gore did show enormous respect while he turned purple and bellowed about Bush betraying this country. Aretha Franklin understands respect far better than Gore and the rest of the Bushitler crowd does. And if that's respect, what would they do if they forgot their manners so far as to dis the President?

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on February 1, 2005 06:34 PM
10. Planet reality.

For instance, they stood and applauded upon his swearing in in 2000. Note the republicans in the WA leglislature refused to applaud during Gregoire's swearing in.

Talk about sad.

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 06:35 PM
11. Respect and differing political opinions are different things.

You don't see any $65million lawsuits to impeach Bush do you? There are many who feel Bush lied -- just as there were many that felt Clinton lied....

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 06:37 PM
12. Just because someone is a public servant does not mean that they deserve respect. I am a public servant and every day that I go to work I see some people that do nothing and draw a pay check. There are others that work really hard. They have to work harder to make up the work the others do not do. I respect the ones that do that but I do not and will not respect the ones that do not earn it. That is a fact. There are a lot of people working in Government that are political appointees. They get their jobs by doing favors for politicians like working on their campaign committees, etc. Those people do not earn respect just for being a so-called public servant. There are others that work their way close to the top. They earn respect. That too is a fact.

Posted by: Gil on February 1, 2005 06:39 PM
13. By golly, Marshall's comment almost had me changing my mind.

I'm not a fan of hers, but my faith tells me that compared to Jesus, we all have our shortcomings. She's one of God's creatures. I'm sure He thinks she is valuable.

I mean, seeing as how I surely do have shortcomings compared to Jesus, and, and Ms. Gregiore is one of God's creatures, and all. And I just felt terrible.

However, the following makes me feel better:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I doubt that this particular rally will block traffic, by the way.

Posted by: Boonie on February 1, 2005 07:00 PM
14. Jim,

Gee, lets see here, perhaps the fact that she...

Cost the state over $20 million in botched cases then blamed it on a subordinate for failing to file it on time, then settled out of court for millions with the above said subordiante

or maybe because she is a pathogical hypocrit who thinks that 261 votes is a virtual tie, but 129 is not

or perhaps now that she is in office her cohorts are gunning down political enemies like it is the OK corral

or maybe the fact that she abused her office while AG, taking political money from law firms she contracted with

or is just the fact that she is an unlikable, spitful human being who values political power more than democracy...

Posted by: Angry Voter on February 1, 2005 07:03 PM
15. Jim's comment illustrates the difference between Democratic Party logic and everyone else's logic:

There are many who feel Bush lied -- just as there were many that felt Clinton lied...

No, Clinton did lie. "Feeling" that someone has lied does not mean that they have lied. One has either lied or not lied; one's feelings play no part in determining whether or not another person has lied.

Posted by: timekeeper on February 1, 2005 07:36 PM
16. Angry voter:

YOU: Gee, lets see here, perhaps the fact that she...

Cost the state over $20 million in botched cases then blamed it on a subordinate for failing to file it on time, then settled out of court for millions with the above said subordiante


ME: True.

or maybe because she is a pathogical hypocrit who thinks that 261 votes is a virtual tie, but 129 is not

ME: Given that the legal voting wasn't completed (remember the law ROSSI voted for? It was for a HAND RECOUNT to end the recount process?), this is fair until all the legal recounts were completed.

or perhaps now that she is in office her cohorts are gunning down political enemies like it is the OK corral

ME: What? I watch TVW. What on earth are you talking about?

or maybe the fact that she abused her office while AG, taking political money from law firms she contracted with

ME: Is this true? Please elaborate.

or is just the fact that she is an unlikable, spitful human being who values political power more than democracy...

ME: That's the definition of politician. I've spent many days in Olympia..believe me republicans fit this bill as well as democrats.

Posted by Angry Voter

ME: yes you are. Just like the majority of Americans who voted for Gore in 2000.

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 07:44 PM
17. Jim you need to read a few old postings then you would know what we are talking about. You should start by reading about how the Dems are trying to stop the BIAW from contributing to the Republicans by killing 50% of thier profits every year.

Just to clear things up Bush lied to america, Clinton lied to a grand jury (AKA Perjury) the second is an appeachable offense the first is not.

lastly I have respect for the office of Governor, but it doesn't mean I have to respect the person.

Posted by: Adriel on February 1, 2005 07:56 PM
18. Jim, Jim, Jim... you dont get out much do you?

Gregoire the grinch contracted part of the tobbaco settlement lawsuit out to a SC firm (for nearly $5mil of the cut). Then all of a sudden everybody in that firm, to include the receptionist maxed out to her AG campaign. Now you tell me, how does a secretary write a $2k check to an attorney generals race on the other side of the country? Hmmmm...

HB 1070 from labor to fast track to the grinch for signature is designed to dismantle workers comp returns to associations (hmmmm BIAW maybe?) or perhaps it has something to do with the fact that one day the Times does a story about BIAW working OT to find illegal voters... and low and behold the next day a bill is dropped to keep them very busy.... what a bunch of crooks the democrats are in this state

Posted by: angry voter on February 1, 2005 08:21 PM
19. The REVOTE rally for tommorrow will be a peaceful and respectful event. As for the Liberal's "respect" for Bush ... oviously Jim wasn't stuck in a crowd of protesters during the President's Inauguration in January --- it wasn't fun, pleasant or respectful!

Posted by: Josephine on February 1, 2005 09:19 PM
20. The REVOTE rally for tommorrow will be a peaceful and respectful event. As for the Liberal's "respect" for Bush ... oviously Jim wasn't stuck in a crowd of protesters during the President's Inauguration in January --- it wasn't fun, pleasant or respectful!

Posted by: Josephine on February 1, 2005 09:19 PM
21. How about Rossi claiming he was a real estate broker until people checked the truth?

Or about Rossi voting to RAISE taxes (SB 5341, HB 2231, SB 5404)?

Or his refusal to release his tax records (what was he hiding???)

Or that he disclosed $75K from Scott Real Estate and then said "it was a mistake" and he never worked there? What was really going on? Even after he issued a press release saying he's a Vice President there?

Or that he claimed to know the workings of small business ("only candidate who signed the front of a paycheck") but the last time he managed people in the private sector was when he was IN HIGH SCHOOL and COLLEGE working as a janitor?

Bottom line...any mud you sling at Gregoire is equally able to be slung at Rossi.

So..time to get off the high horses....

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 09:22 PM
22. Jospephine. I hope you are right. Let them not take their cues from our republican legislators who refused to offer the decent courtesy that President Bush has been extended by our demcorat representatives and seantors.

Let's hope they follow the lead not of Newt Gingrich (Mr. Divider) but of President Reagan (who truly brought people together).

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 09:32 PM
23. Jim... "I know you are but what am I" only works on the playground and democrat press releases. You never argue on the merits of my statements.

Posted by: angry voter on February 1, 2005 09:34 PM
24. Angry voter:

I can only assume you agree that mud can be slung equally, since you refuse to address any of my comments about Rossi on the merits.

Equal play. Politicians are the same..regardless of party affiliation.

I have no idea about this firm you talk about. Do you have ideas about the lies Rossi told during the campaign? They are all documented....

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 09:37 PM
25. PS...I responded (via cut/paste to each and every argument you made the first time around...scroll up to see...but you didn't respond to any of that). Where does that leave the playgroudn tactics?

PPS...I even agreed with you on one point!

Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 09:39 PM
26. jim--
Try muttering yourself to sleep tonite by repeating these words:
"This election is a model for the rest of the nation and the world at large".
---Christine Gregoire

I suggest you start repeating them to yourself now so you can try to build up a tolerance because you will be hearing those words...and seeing he utter them..from the time the Court sets aside this election until the Election in November.

jim--
Remember, your Party said Rossi was against Breast Cancer research....until they found out the hard way Rossi's mom & sister were victims.

They major issue in the new vote will be attitudes toward illegal votes---
The Democrats have dug a deep hole for themselves.
The problem is they are too stupid to stop digging!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on February 1, 2005 09:48 PM
27. Clark County has to look no farther to look than Portland OR for voter fraud. They have "progressed" to complete mail in voting. A Democrat's dream. Must be all that medical marijuana.

My guess is, more than a few loons crossed the Columbia river to insure their man, Kerry, carried the western states. Of course, while they are at it, might as well cast a vote for the ruling class, Queen G. Someone, who has more time than I, should run Multnomah county records against the Clark county records. Wouldn't find anything..would they?

Posted by: Splatter on February 1, 2005 10:00 PM
28. I've already found a case of a couple in my neighborhood who have their married kids,(not college students) physically living in Portland, registered absentee and voting here in Clark County. I wonder if they also vote in Oregon. Wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: Susu on February 1, 2005 10:33 PM
29. University of Washington College Republicans REVOTE RALLY

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 3, HIGH NOON IN RED SQUARE

ALL SEATTLITES INVITED, bring the RIGHT protest gear!!!

More info? Go here: www.uwcr.net

Posted by: CR ACTIVST on February 1, 2005 11:01 PM
30. "See if you can find the 225 magical mystery voters that the county auditor cannot find."

Stefan....
The Clark County auditor might want to check your database - using HIS county auditors office address......

1408 Franklin Ave, Vancouver WA 98660
(that would be the 1400 block of Franklin ave..)

Could it be that he allowed people to use his building address for voter registration...in 2004?


Posted by: Deborah on February 1, 2005 11:07 PM
31. Dipping a finger into purple ink is looking better every day with regards to a ReVote. The Light will chase away the darkness. What is there to fear?

Posted by: Jose on February 1, 2005 11:12 PM
32. Has anyone heard Rep. Mark Schoesler, R, Ritzville, submitted a house bill that Eastern Washington secede? I heard it at work but can't find anything official on it.

Posted by: sz on February 1, 2005 11:22 PM
33. Is it normal and legal for voters to use city and county building addresses as their residence when registering to vote? I found list's of voters using 3000 Rockefeller Ave - Snohomish county ( The Sno County auditors office building)

Many of these voters have out of state and out of the country mailing addresses - and while most of them registered to vote for the first time in 2004 - some have been registered voters since 1992!

Is it law that you must use an actual residence address when registering to vote - especially if your mailing address is from out of state or out of the country? I am finding so many voters using official county buildings as their residence address - it seems incredible that this would not be noticed by county officials....

There are just too many to be by chance or error...So I'm asking for clarification.

Is it OK to use an official county building address for voter registration purposes?

Posted by: Deborah on February 2, 2005 12:17 AM
34. Deborah, for those not in Clark County and want to do the search, it's Franklin St.

Also, is it legal? The following is from the Washington Administrative Code.
WAC 434-208-100 Registering to vote -- Nontraditional address. No person registering to vote, who meets all the qualifications of a registered voter in the state of Washington, shall be disqualified because of a nontraditional physical address being used as a residence address. Nontraditional addresses may include shelters, parks or other identifiable locations which the voter deems to be his/her residence. Voters using such an address will be registered and precincted based on the location provided. Voters without a traditional address will be registered at the county courthouse, city hall or other public building near the area that the voter considers his/her residence. Registering at a nontraditional address will not disqualify a voter from requesting ongoing absentee voter status provided the voter designates a valid mailing address.

This rule was issued by the Secretary of State in August 2003, by authority granted in RCW 29A.04.610 to make reasonable rules regarding elections.

Posted by: north clark county on February 2, 2005 12:36 AM
35. Well I always assumed that a lot of Demos were homeless, but I wonder? where is that mailbox in Esther Short Park?
Terry

Posted by: Terry Clark County on February 2, 2005 09:31 AM
36. Jim, I consider her the governor -- at least for right now. I don't spout the "she's not my governor crapola".

But I think you have amnesia about President Bush and many many dems. all we heard was 'HE'S NOT MY PRESIDENT". They even held a bizarre counter-inauguration that same day where Al Sharpton took an oath of office. I don't know what they thought that would prove.

Then dems spent the next four years throwing up all over President Bush and spewing every foul thing you could. It was way worse than any Clinton-hating I ever saw. The vitriol was overflowing.

You really aren't in a position to claim widespread acceptance by dems of President Bush. It was quite the opposite. We all watched for four years.

Posted by: Michele S on February 2, 2005 09:45 AM
37. btw, here is another absentee voter who voted from a private mailbox near my home.

Delores M Avila
PMB 841
704 228th Ave. NE
Sammamish WA

Posted by: Michele S on February 2, 2005 09:54 AM
38. The WAC says: "Voters without a traditional address...." So that means that if you have a home address you shouldn't be using mail box #'s for your address as so many are doing. I'm being blown away by this practice and that it isn't being eliminated by the people in charge.

I'm also seeing multiple names of absentee voters in my over-55 neighborhood in homes of people who are listed as single-dwellers in our directory.

Posted by: Susu on February 2, 2005 10:01 AM
39. I did call KC and they said you can receieve it at a PMB but have to show an actual residence address in the records. I'm not aware of any actual residence in this block. It's all businesses

Posted by: Michele S on February 2, 2005 10:04 AM
40. Her home address is listed as being on the same street at or right near the same address. In fact, there seem to be a lot of people who are registered on this block, which is all businesses. hmmmmmmm Not much enforcement of KC rules up here!

Posted by: Michele S on February 2, 2005 10:57 AM
41. Michele S
I take it from your comments that there is no apartment building or such in the same block as the private mail box business. Having 48 names registered at 70e 228TH AVE NE is not legal, unless they actually live there, or have a non-traditional address and choose that as their place of registration (unlikely). Also, I see two JAQUELINE A EATON-DUNSMUIRs, however, neither voted.

Posted by: north clark county on February 2, 2005 11:27 AM
42. Someone should probably alert the major media about the rally. Coverage would be good.

Posted by: PW on February 2, 2005 12:53 PM
43.
Let them not take their cues from our republican legislators who refused to offer the decent courtesy that President Bush has been extended by our demcorat representatives and seantors.

Do the words 'Barbara Boxer' mean anything to you? Do the words 'Cynthia McKinney' mean anything to you?


Posted by: Matt J Kurlander on February 2, 2005 02:28 PM
44. Thank you North Clark County!

I am still not clear on the WAC you referenced. Would voters who registered their residence address at a county building - yet listed their mailing address as a PO Box or out of state - be covered under WAC 434-208-100 (Registering to vote -- Nontraditional address)? How would this WAC apply to those who use the county auditors office address for their residence yet use a P O Box or have an out of state / country address listed for a mailing address?

Here are some examples using 1400 Franklin St -
Clark County (Auditors Office address)

BRE Shows residence address as: 140e FRANKLIN ST VANCOUVER Mailing address as: P.O. Box VANCOUVER, WA 2001

CSI Shows residence address as : 140e FRANKLIN ST VANCOUVER Mailing address as: 8033 HURRICANE COVE COURT LAS VEGAS NV 2004

KGD Shows residence address as : 140e FRANKLIN ST VANCOUVER -Mailing address as: 14 DEPOT SQ #1 NORTHFIELD VT 2004

MD Shows residence address as : 140e FRANKLIN ST VANCOUVER Mailing address as : 78 RUNDLE RD SE MEDICINE HAT AB TIA 4A3 CANADA 2004

MCLL Shows residence address as: 140e FRANKLIN ST VANCOUVER Mailing address as: BLDG 2444 CASSIDY RD FT BLISS TX 2004

Exactly how is their residency in Washington state established? The only address they list for here is the county courthouse - yet they aren't homeless - as their out of state mailing addresses suggest.......

Help me out here...

Posted by: Deborah on February 2, 2005 08:17 PM
45. Not sure that I can. It is a matter of trying to reconcile laws and administrative codes, and filling in the gaps. Laws passed by the legislature take precedence, and the SoS cannot make codes that contradict the laws.

The law says that when registering, the person must provide the address of the their residence.

RCW 29A.08.010 "Information required for voter registration."
As used in this chapter: "Information required for voter registration" means the minimum information provided on a voter registration application that is required by the county auditor in order to place a voter registration applicant on the voter registration rolls. This information includes the applicant's name, complete residence address, ...

The law defines residence.

RCW 29A.04.151 Residence.
"Residence" for the purpose of registering and voting means a person's permanent address where he or she physically resides and maintains his or her abode. However, no person gains residence by reason of his or her presence or loses his or her residence by reason of his or her absence:
(1) While employed in the civil or military service of the state or of the United States;
(2) While engaged in the navigation of the waters of this state or the United States or the high seas;
(3) While a student at any institution of learning;
(4) While confined in any public prison.
Absence from the state on business shall not affect the question of residence of any person unless the right to vote has been claimed or exercised elsewhere.

Therefore, the SoS administrative code providing for non-traditional addresses applies only to those whose residence doesn't conform to the norm.

I can understand how someone living in a park might have a mailbox, like BRE does. I suppose someone living in a park could enlist and be assigned to Fort Bliss, like MCLL? However, I'm not sure how someone could maintain their residence in a park and have a regular address in Nevada, Vermont or Alberta.

The law does not allow a voter to register where they work or at a mailbox, postal or private. The point of this is to assure that they are voting in those elections that pertain to where they live. For example, I have a residential address and a mailbox. I receive my mail at the mailbox, mostly due to problems with mail theft in the rural area where I live. My home is District 17 (yes, Benton is my senator!). My mailbox is in the city of Vancouver, in District 49. I don't get to vote in Vancouver, even though I work there. Actually this is a good thing. Rather than having three dems representing me in the legistlature, I have two reps and a dem.


Also, something new I learned while writing this is RCW 29A.04.151(3) prevents an out-of-state college student from establishing residency simply by attending an institution of learning. Likewise, an in-state college student should be barred from establishing residency at the college. This appears to be another law that is not being enforced.

Posted by: north clark county on February 2, 2005 11:51 PM
46. Wow!

It's as though our laws have created a perpetual circle with respect to voter residence requirments!

By allowing some voters to use city and county building addresses as their residence....then having no requirment for an in-state mailing address (or in-country for that matter) - they have made it virtually impossible to stop non-residents and non-citizens from voting! Sure - they can be dealt with after the fact.....IF any one cared to do something about it on the city, county or State level.....but looking at the huge numbers of questionable registrations - especially from 2004 - (I mean HUGE numbers!) it's as though this residence circle were common knowledge among a lot of people.......

Did Brost send out a memo on this last year? Heh..

Posted by: Deborah on February 3, 2005 12:22 AM
47. Hopefully some of this will be curbed by legislation already in place. As of next Jan 1, the SoS is required to maintain a statewide voter database. With the new registration requirements requiring either the last 4 of SSN or driver's license number, it will be easier to track duplicate registrations. The law also authorizes the SoS to check with Licensing and SSA to verify the registration info. Most of this was mandated by the federal HAVA standards.

Two problems are raised, even with this. One, it doesn't help with old registrations which don't have the DL or SSN info on their records. Second, it doesn't help identify multi-state registrants.

The first problem could be addressed by SB 5078, which would require everyone to re-register under the new requirements. The second could only be addressed at the federal level.

Posted by: north clark county on February 3, 2005 07:55 AM
48. What happened to the revote rally in Clark County yesterday? I read both news accounts of Gregoire's appearance in Vancouver (the Columbian, and the Oregonian). Neither paper mentioned anyone protesting for a revote. Was anyone really there to protest, or did the papers just ignore the protesters?

Posted by: marshall smith on February 3, 2005 09:14 AM
49. There were about 25-30 Revote supporters, Channel 2 news did cover it at the 11:00 PM airing and gave us about 4 seconds, the interview they taped with one protester did not air.
A number of people attending the reception did show us support even crossing the street and shaking hands, But the papers did not respond.

Posted by: Terry , Clark C. on February 4, 2005 01:36 AM
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