The Washington Democrats appear to be scared out of their wits by the prospect of a revote.
If they were feeling confident in their prospects, their message would be along the lines "of course Christine Gregoire is the legitimate governor and enjoys a sold mandate". But it's not. The message is now to criticize citizens for exposing election fraud.
Drawing attention to their reputation as the party of distributed vote fraud is obviously not a smart move. This can only be another sign that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for arguments against a revote.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 01, 2005 05:52 PM | Email ThisInstead, it simply outlines the actions the Republicans have taken, factually.
For a party that bemoans litigation, this release highlights its extremely litigous behavior.
Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 05:59 PM
A well they should be, they're not citizens.
Is this a game the Dems really want to play? Because I'd wager that making sure only legal voters vote polls pretty well. (Among legal voters, anyway.)
Posted by: Timothy on February 1, 2005 06:20 PMIt seems they are scared that this blog might actually have some "dirt" on them.
I say let the PEOPLE dig up the dirt on their neighbors, if there is dirt. And let the TRUTH be known about this ELECTION.
I think they should check on the ALIENS too. Seems they are frightned to go vote, damn I wonder why???? Could it be that they aren't allowed to vote?
If the court decides there is just cause to order a revote so be it. I am a legally registered voter, just as I have been the past 22 years.
Posted by: Chris on February 1, 2005 06:22 PMScandal fuels renewed push for voter ID bill
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Posted: Jan. 28, 2005
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The mounting evidence this week of irregularities in Milwaukee has caused concern around Wisconsin that will result in new pressure for reform, said Rep. Jeff Stone (R-Greendale), one of the authors of the photo ID bill, which is to be introduced Monday.
State residents may worry about their votes being, in effect, negated because of questions surrounding thousands of votes in Milwaukee, he said.
"People in Rhinelander or Rice Lake probably really didn't see election reform as a major issue two years ago, but I think they're beginning to see what goes on around the state, and having integrity in that system is important to every vote cast," Stone said.
Stone and the bill's co-author, Sen. Joe Leibham (R-Sheboygan), said that with more than 30 co-sponsors, the new photo ID measure already has more co-sponsors than a 2003 bill, which was approved by the Legislature but vetoed by Gov. Jim Doyle. The Republicans also said local governments such as the City of Cedarburg have begun passing resolutions supporting a photo ID requirement.
... (snip) see the Journal Sentinel website for more
Posted by: Boonie on February 1, 2005 06:27 PMSo the Democrats have now officially come out in favor of non-citizens voting. They're not talking about naturalized citizens; they specifically say "legal aliens."
Posted by: ScottM on February 1, 2005 06:27 PMSo could I rob someone and say woops I didn't know it was wrong, I'm an illegal alien? HE*L NO!!!
Washington has been robbed in the same way.
Hmm. I read the link but didn't see that. Here's what they say. They criticize Rossi for being litigious and overzelous. Is it true? Make up your own conclusion:
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Voters Beware: Spying On Neighbors, Criminal Background Checks, Investigating Immigrants All Part Of Rossi’s Win-At-Any-Cost Strategy
SEATTLE – To just what ends is Dino Rossi willing to go to be governor of the State of Washington?
In an attempt to litigate himself into the governor’s mansion, Rossi is suing everyone involved in this election. He has sued every single county, every county auditor, the Secretary of State, the Lieutenant Governor, and the Speaker of the House- 81 parties in all.
But that’s not all.
Rossi’s team is running criminal background checks on everyone who voted in this election. They have now accused hundreds of voters of committing a felony by voting illegally, even though independent investigations show their numbers to be outrageously inflated. (Can’t you be sued for libel for accusing people of a crime they didn’t commit?) (Seattle Times, 1/23/05; Tacoma News Tribune, 1/8/05, The Sun, 1/27/05)
Posted by: Erik on February 1, 2005 06:29 PMHow about checks on felons who voted? Yep--.....And that's a problem whyyyyy????????
Vote fraud will be exposed and rooted out, dems. Sorry you like the fraud, but it's going!
And they keep getting their facts wrong. Dino doesn't have to show how many of those were HIS votes. He just has to show more fraud votes than the margin, at least. But then, anyone who reads this site already KNEW that. Just not the Ds.
Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 06:29 PMOr making sure that Dean Logan personally stuffed the ballot box so that there would be enough extra ballots to erase Rossi's expected margin of victory as we got to the end of the first count (it was going to be at least a couple thousand until 'ol Dean 'found' 10K extra ballots--that should do it,eh)?
I'll bet the rossi people were SO behind the 'finding' of ballots in KC 9 times. WE just KNOW it.
Or like forcing all those felons to vote? (I'm sure there was a flyer from Rossi HQ encouraging THAT one)
Or like forcing people to vote twice? Or like requiring KC to register people at the KC offices with no checking who they really are? And then there's the one where Rs really tried to get out the 'non-citizen' vote.
...And then there's the time the Rs FORCED that motor voter into law where you CAN'T ask if the person is a citizen.
Oh. Those are all the things DEMOCRATS like to see happen.
Sorry.
Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 06:39 PMBut it APPEARS that YOU GUYS(Dems") used MORE DIRTY TRICKS and are now in COURT.....
We will see who is Pathetic!!
Posted by: Chris on February 1, 2005 06:41 PMThat is the dirty trick if you ask me, well either that or a bad case of Schitzophrenia.
Posted by: Adriel on February 1, 2005 06:43 PMI thought the nonsense about racial quotas was bad enough.
Now, they are criticizing citizens for caring about their own disenfranchisement (The dems favorite word).
Jeezzzz .... What's next? A declaration of martial law?
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 1, 2005 06:48 PMThere a lots of them in WA, and I think there should be quotas for them too. They can just take it out of the "whitey" numbers, since whitey seems to be over-represented at UW.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 1, 2005 06:51 PMI agree only with this statement:
"Washington State deserves better."
Hopefully the courts will agree.
Now, they are asking the government for a list of legal aliens, so they can go after immigrants - a community already hesitant to participate in our voting process.
“Aliens” are not citizens, therefore they aren’t eligible to vote.
They should be “hesitant to participate in our voting process.”
There’s something very odd about the leftist mentality.
Here's what the noted leftist, Walter Cronkite, said about voter turnout on the "Larry King Live" show, aired by CNN on October 29, 2004:
KING: Do you expect a huge turnout?
CRONKITE: What?
KING: A huge turnout?
CRONKITE: Oh, yes, I do. I think so. The only thing that could damage the turnout would be the threats that might be implied, as many of the new registrees are challenged as to their various things. Their spelling of their name and the state where they really come from, whether they're immigrants or not, do they have passports, all that kind of thing. If they are challenged at the polls, as they line up to go into the polls, they may fear having to answer all those questions. Particularly if they do have anything wrong about them and shouldn't vote. [Emphasis added.]
Imagine that. People who shouldn't vote – because they have no lawful right to vote – might be intimidated by the prospect of being challenged at the polls on November 2.
And, notice that Mr. Cronkite seems not to recognize that preventing voting fraud – including voting by people who have no right to vote – is the correct thing to do. Instead, he sees such efforts as "threats" which "could damage the turnout."
The Washington State Democrats look at the issues in the same way as Cronkite.
Do all leftists think this way?
Dean stated at the town hall meeting that it was ordinary citizen voters that must challenge voters and voter registrations - now the Dems are upset that we actually DO!
As for the trolls, try not to feed brainless and the others. She has a hatred of us that cannot be changed. Her blog must be one of the most pathetic scribbles I've ever read.
Posted by: Thomas on February 1, 2005 06:56 PMWhat's up with these people?
Posted by: Michele S on February 1, 2005 07:00 PMThis is a general comment...
An overhaul of the electrol system needs to occur if an election needs to be revisited over and over again.
Madbot - Peterhawkes.
http://www.bloodjedi.com/
Not meaning to get too "frenchy" with ya, but what is an "electrol system"? Is that a fuel injection thingy?
Posted by: smegma on February 1, 2005 07:12 PMThe Democrats are saying let's move on and we will have election reform. Our officials did not even pay regard to the election laws currently on our books. Nor did they heed federal election laws.
This isn't about mistakes being made. This chaos has been created purposefully for vote fraud. Just wait until the feds get their noses into this.
Posted by: Vicki on February 1, 2005 07:36 PMI have to agree, the whole election system needs to be cleaned up, starting with the voter rolls which means deleting the felons, illegal aliens, dead, post boxes, out of state (ineligible voters). It also means a clean gubernatorial election, in other words, a revote. The voter rolls have now been updated as they should have been prior to the election,( by election officials who are paid by the people to conduct elections according to state laws).
** RE-ELECT GOVERNOR ROSSI **
Posted by: sandalista on February 1, 2005 07:57 PMhttp://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/39145.htm
There are literally millions of Americans who are unhappy today because millions of Iraqis went to the polls yesterday. And why? Because this isn't just a success for Bush. It's a huge win. It's a colossal vindication.Posted by: Boonie on February 1, 2005 08:06 PMIt's a big fat gigantic winning vindication of the guy that the Moores and Kennedys and millions of others still can't believe anybody voted for.
And they know it.
And it's killing them.
Are they talking about the way they have won elections?
**Stuff ballot boxes
**Enhance ballots
**Register illegals
**deny military ballots
**Mystery ballots
All this has been going on for years(ala JFK, LBJ, Cantwell, Ashcroft, etc.) ...so guess that's what they mean.
Posted by: Susu on February 1, 2005 08:08 PMI'm still worked up about "Finding the balance between diversity and fairness" and then the dems come up with this bonehead press release??
ScottM -
Good catch, Dems supporting "legal aliens" right to vote should be listed as Exhibit "A" in Rossi's complaint to the court.
"Seconds before Gregoire was introduced as "Her Excellency, Governor Christine Gregoire," Kirstin Brost felt a rush of panic.
"I started to get nervous the fire alarm would get pulled," said Brost, spokeswoman for the state Democratic Party. After a year of campaigning and 10 weeks of post-election turmoil, Brost could hardly believe it was actually happening."
Fire alarm? Sorry sweaty, the palace has already burned to the ground. Now we are just waiting for the Fire Marshal to expose the arsonist(s).
Posted by: Splatter on February 1, 2005 08:50 PM"Political people love the absentee voter," said Kirstin Brost, of the state Democratic Party in Washington state, where 54 percent of votes in 2000 were cast by absentee ballot. "They're easier to track, and if someone is absentee, I've got three weeks to get them to vote, instead of just one day." Washington state, where voters can start voting on Oct. 13, permits voters to become permanent absentee voters.
In Washington, party workers like Brost seek to "convert" voters from Election Day voters to absentee voters. Then they can easily determine from county auditors' lists which voters' ballots have been received and which voters need another phone call.
Posted by: Splatter on February 1, 2005 08:57 PMIn all fairness, there should not be a special or new election until there has been significant election reform enacted. If that requires Lt. Gov. Brad Owen to serve as Governor for a period of time, so be it, but it would certainly an improvement over the former AG, who claims to be Governor - by Democrat Legislative coup d'etat.
Yeah, I can see why the left is nervous, when 52% of the state thinks that the only fair result can be obtained with a revote - only if the rules are tightened up and enforced - two suggestions; 1) Purge all registrations and all re-registration 2)Photo ID is required at polls, and potential illegal voting should be able to be handled through re-registration required and 3) Provisional ballots are made to be a different color.
Posted by: KS on February 1, 2005 09:07 PMWho in the middle would want illegal aliens, felons, the dead and double,triple,century??voters allowed?
The Lucy 30% will always support fraud, but real people???
LETS GET IT ON!!!!!
Posted by: Brad on February 1, 2005 09:10 PMA "gang"?
I'm part of a "gang"?
I thought I was too old!
Who knew?!
Can anyone tell me our "gang" colors?
OH WAIT... I know... RE-VOTE ORANGE!
Posted by: Cheryl on February 1, 2005 09:13 PMThe dems are still feeling guilt/intimidation for sneaking out the window of their parent's home to go party.
Posted by: MB on February 1, 2005 09:16 PMThere is an article from the Seattle PI about the GOP in Washington looking to find a candidate to run against Ron Sims when Sims comes up for re-election.
Here's the URL:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/210039_sims31.html
Why not make a trip up to Precinct 1823 and register in King County and then give them the address of a private mailbox service near your home as your permanent Absentee Voter address. Then, when these - and other - elections come around, we can do to King County what King County did to the rest of our state.
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The Re-Vote Is Coming
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The Re-Vote Is Coming
Also missing, among the discussion of historical cases of likely vote fraud, was the painfully obvious point that *all* of them were perpetrated by the same party!
It's apparently official -- the D's love vote fraud, and the MSM is ready and willing to go to the mat defending them on it.
He suggested that Texans might want to register to vote in King County. I'd like to see half of Texas register to vote here, then sit back and watch the scream queens go apoplectic.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 1, 2005 09:40 PMYou forgot to add "and a liar," on both counts.
Posted by: lucy needs her meds on February 1, 2005 09:45 PMOn the other hand, Sharkansky and others have meticulously done an AUTOPSY on this entire election. You've wasted time jim...although I doubt that you have any skills to do database analysis and painstakingly follow up on every illegal vote angle. Lefty's think they can talk their way thru any dilemma. I love to give guys like you the mike and plenty of rope. You actually believe you are distracting high-tech, professional analysts from their primary mission!!! Keep wasting your time jim!
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on February 1, 2005 09:58 PMFor some reason, you think I have some feeling for the amateur legal reviews anywhere around here? Or on horses***? I don't...on either side.
I believe the Rs will win Chelan. The Ds will win the state Supremes and the Rs will win the US Supremese 5-4 so they can appoint our governor the way they appointed the president in 2000.
My only hope is that I'm wrong and the US Supremes decide this time the law is more important than the partisanship..and they refuse to take the case.
But, Mr Cynical..I'm not so cynical to believe the US Supremes are above politics in 2004 any more than they were in 2000 when they had no business interfering with states' rights (remember, that's a REPUBLICAN ideal!)
jim, your faux passion for the rule of law is quite impressive. Exactly how do you strain out a gnat and swallow a camel?
Posted by: dkpcowboy on February 1, 2005 10:05 PMWhat's really funny is the republican arguments after the first recount became the deomcratic arguments after the final recount...and vice versa!
It proves the law isn't at issue...it's winning that counts...regardless of whether the voters voted that way or not!
Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 10:08 PMBrost's statements reek of paranoia and hysteria!
They are a blatant attempt to scare the begeesus out of aliens and felons...(oh - and neighbors and voters in general...)
And then there's this one:
"Rossi’s problem, of course, is that the election contest statute clearly says the GOP must prove that the illegal votes cost Dino Rossi the election. But most news stories would indicate Dino Rossi got the bulk of votes from felons and dead people –
Who is she talking to? She is trying to re-assure someone.... I'm sure she knows her statement regarding the election statutes is false. But she places the word *clearly* in her statement...as though she felt she needed emphasis on this...
I tell you...between this memo and the letter from Darneille....I'm becoming VERY concerned about the power these people have!
They are going wobbly!
Posted by: Deborah on February 1, 2005 10:11 PMYou are right..it's rather boring.
Posted by: jim on February 1, 2005 10:13 PMMy guess is that this site, along with NRO, TWS, TAS, et al, would throw WA under the bus if Republicans were in control of a chinese fire drill like WA dems have been.
Posted by: dkpcowboy on February 1, 2005 10:19 PMThe Democrats don't care... It's not on the TV news... It's not in the newspaper... It's old news...
It's boring...
Wait until the court tosses out the results. And unless the State Supreme court is as partisan as the election officials in King County, I actually think they'll uphold the finding of the lower court because the EVIDENCE (yes, EVIDENCE) will be irrefutable to even people with a modest intelligence.
Then the story won't be so boring, will it?
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1. Investigation=accusation?
2. They accused hundreds of voters of voting illegally-- they have evidence. This is research, done in the course of discovery on a court hearing.
3. She cites anonymous "independent investigations," as though this is some meritorious refutation. The Seattle Times made their investigation... and noted 129 felons voted at least.
4. Inflated? Ok. So we admit that there are illegal voters then? But the degree is wrong, that's it?
5. The answer to her parenthetical query is: "yes." You can be sued for anything under the sun, even baselessly. But if the question were instead: "Can you win a libel lawsuit if you were accused of a crime you may have committed?" the answer is emphatically no.
Her "press release" reads like the unedited blog entry of a newbie. She doesn't deserve her job if that's the level of her work.... and I only fisked one paragraph.
Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative on February 1, 2005 10:28 PMWait, this blog is now "Rossi's gang"?
Using the King County voter database, which they make available, is 'spying' on people?
I think I've heard her kind of logic before...oh, yes: "Ignorance is strength."
Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative on February 1, 2005 10:35 PMNow there definitely are SOME cases where it may very well be legal. And voting here helps reinforce their case IF THEY ARE AUDITED BY THE OTHER STATE. But most criminals are dumb. They screw it up by:
1) Getting a resident drivers license and vehicle plates in that other state.
2) Fishing license or other licenses.
3) Kids pay in-state tuition
Heck, there are lots of things that can trip them up.
Many of these folks learn how to do it...as part of a tax avoidance/evasion culture. They brag to friends. The Lefty's will brag that it is more likely to be R's because so many Lefty's don't have jobs and suck off the system. However, some of these Lefty low-lifes may be collecting unemployment or some other handout in these other states.
LOTS & LOTS of lists to compare. We have time before a November election...but we need to keep moving on it because it is hard to contest a voter registration currently. We need their current address....unless we take whatever we have to the prosecuting attorney or sheriff!
Stay tuned for a battle plan on exactly how we need to challenge suspected illegal voter registrants.
Jim, the only people who are casual about this are liberal kool-aid drinkers like yourself.
The rest of us who believe that Washington has been politically raped by the Democratic Party are mad as hell.
Here's a dollar, pinko boy. Go buy a clue.
Are they in a panic and scared, you bet!
Posted by: Jeff B. on February 1, 2005 11:40 PM'Several monitors sat quietly on one side of the room. Surveillance video cameras were installed in the hall, and television monitors showed another room where more tally sheets stuffed in clear plastic boxes were stored.'
'The image of workers manning the computers was projected onto one of the walls.'
'To make sure the numbers are accurately recorded, figures will be punched into computers twice by different people. A computer program will detect any discrepancies.'
HMM? Iraq hasn't done this in over 50 years, as opposed to Washington State (over 200 years?)
Maybe we can contract some of these 'honest' counters at the REVOTE!!!
Food for thought.
I think you're missing the point if you think this is somehow an inadvertent admission that the Dems are in favor of illegal immigrants voting. This is an example of carefully choosing words so as to be "accurate," but at the same time misleading. She oh so carefully used the phrase "legal ALIENS" - who WE all know are not allowed to vote - and then morphed the issue into one of (implicitly naturalized) IMMIGRANTS - who everyone would hope would want to participate in the political process as newly-minted citizens.
The unobservant reader will not pick up on these subtleties - and she's counting on it. She's also counting on the asleep-at-the-wheel MSM to pass along her propaganda without really analyzing what she has said.
Again, the key is that nothing she said was actually WTONG - but it was carefully designed to convey an inaccurate message.
All part of the war for the "hearts and minds" of Washington voters...
Posted by: Patrick on February 2, 2005 06:06 AMBy the evidence exposed during this contest there is every reason to support this litigious investigation by all citizens of our state and the members of all political parties. Can you imagine the screaming from the party you support when they find the implact of their vote is diluted by illegal voting. Did your candidate or bond measure win or not win this time or any other time due to the illegal votes uncovered. How will it affect your life.
So far I support the contest just as I supported the recounts. I took the most dire predictions to heart and have seen the majority come to pass. That requests to count would only stop once "their" candidate won, that votes would be found until "their" candidate won, that illegal voting and irregular votes would be rampant, that the legislature would be partisan in its responsibilities, and that both political parties and the general public would seek cause for contesting the election. Will Rossi or Gregoire survive politically once the dust settles will be determined by an extraordinary level of commitment in ther respective holding of office. So far Gregoire leaves much to be desired by her actions looking more like a poor clone of Locke. Would Rossi be better, maybe. What no one has made comment concerning his taking office may be his inability to remove Gregoire's appointees from office. The reasoning and liabilities behind it would make an excellent topic all its own.
Love the process or hate it you have to support the results. An airing of grubby laundry so it can be cleaned up. Use these blogs to generate support for this end. Use the political emberrasment to force the legislature to fix the system. Use the results from all the investigations to find the faults and establish reform so it never happens again. And if the rules exist to correct the problem, recall those who fail to enforce those laws. We've got two years to get this right before the next legislative election and we're too late for the February special election. We had better get started right away.
Posted by: Mark Beyer on February 2, 2005 07:57 AMMy Goodness, this woman is "NUTS". The entire article reads like the "SUN" "ENQUIRER" & "GLOBE" all put together.
As Forest Gump would say, "life is like a box of Chocolates, you never know what is inside". But the D's are about to find out, and with a Communications Director like that, it will be a box of "Turtles".
The only good in the article was the link to this site, so maybe some of the more skeptical D's will peek in on their neighbors.
Posted by: Chris on February 2, 2005 08:00 AMJust kiddin' Matt.
Posted by: bmvaughn on February 2, 2005 08:05 AM"Rossi should have won the old fashioned way, by getting more votes."
I thought he did that TWICE. Oh right, that was a tie.
The rest of that pabulum is so incorrect and is so obviously written as an attempt to deflect what really happened.
Posted by: Emily on February 2, 2005 08:24 AMYou want a REVOTE? You base this claim on a poorly run election?
Fine. You can have your revote. As soon as we get one for the millions of disenfranchised voters of Ohio (where people in urban communities had to wait 11 HOURS to vote, because a Republican Secretary of State thought it was ok to put the majority of polling machines in rural areas).
Lets not even talk about Florida...
Let the courts decide...like in Florida.
Fix the system first, then revote.
And..since this state went overwhelmingly for Kerry..what makes you think we would elect Dino in as second election? Not going to happen.
Read more. Stop being sucked in by the machine. Investigate for yourself. That's what the voter database encourages.
Posted by: bmvaughn on February 2, 2005 08:40 AMFlorida and Ohio can worry about Florida and Ohio.
In the meantime, keep up the good work. With Dean in charge, a third party to fill the vacuum is sure to come.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 2, 2005 08:40 AM
Posted by M at February 2, 2005 08:26 AM
If the Kerry factor is actually applicable to the voting in the Washington State Gubernatorial election, why did Gregoire and the Dems have to scrape the bottom of the barrel, look under every rock, search through every dumpster, and encourage the cemetaries to let their patrons out temporarily, in order to "win" the election?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/210307_joel02.html
But, I really think the Democrats should let their inner-selves flourish.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 2, 2005 08:59 AMhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/209983_joel31.html
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on February 2, 2005 09:06 AMWhich is exactly what happened to Ahnuld.
Posted by: Matt J Kurlander on February 2, 2005 09:12 AMYes, that is all I want.
That's all I wanted in the first election.
What a novel idea.
I am ready to vote NOW.
Posted by: JG on February 2, 2005 09:22 AM"Yeah, I can see why the left is nervous, when 52% of the state thinks that the only fair result can be obtained with a revote - only if the rules are tightened up and enforced - two suggestions; 1) Purge all registrations and all re-registration 2)Photo ID is required at polls, and potential illegal voting should be able to be handled through re-registration required and 3) Provisional ballots are made to be a different color"
You forgot 4) At each polling place, the count of voters who signed in must equal the ballots counted plus the number of voters who signed in, but for some reason chose not to vote (balotless voters). There should NEVER be a voterless ballot!!
Posted by: liberty4all on February 2, 2005 09:22 AMI don't know where M voted, but I voted in rural Ohio. Here, and in most rural places in the state, we don't even have voting machines; we use punch cards (No! Say it ain't so Owl! Not the Hanging Chads!)
I personally did not have to wait in line, in part because of when I voted. However, there were the same number of booths as always (four). So, if Blackwell really did move all the voting machines to rural areas, I'm complaining because we didn't get any.
So, M's just parroting the "party line" which, as I can attest to firsthand, is BS.
Even worse, Ohio has now gone from "thousands", to "tens of thousands", to "millions" of disenfranchised voters. Hell, in another month or two, we might add a few more zeroes to that number (McBlackwell's: Billions and Billions Disenfranchised)
I'm still waiting for someone to start documenting actual, provable cases of disenfranchisement here in Ohio. But I'm not holding my breath; those who complain here are rarely concerned with the facts.
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Posted by: Snowy Owl on February 2, 2005 09:38 AM"A slave is one who waits for someone else to free him." - Rosellen Brown
Posted by: Adriel on February 2, 2005 11:24 AMEven though you have an opposing point of view, I applaud your impartial stance on that press release. I agree that we want to avoid the Stalinist tactics of neighbors spying on neighbors, however as the current election code is written, one voter reporting another for illegal voting is the only recognized process for challenging votes. That needs to change. Until it does, these are the rules we have to work with.
I also agree with you that the press release seems to have a 7th grade spiteful tone about it, hardly what one would expect from a political party that claims to be about ideas and progress.
Posted by: Jason on February 2, 2005 11:29 AMhttp://www.washtimes.com/national/20050202-123527-1015r.htm
Posted by: Jason on February 2, 2005 11:35 AMThe Jig Is Up.
You Have Been Outed.
Time to start (or continue) whining. Man, it doesn't get much better than this.
Posted by: Scaramonga on February 2, 2005 11:37 AMJim, I know you say this is boring, but why won't the Dems (I'm neither Dem or Rep) at least speak to their voters (I presume since they control the state) with some respect and not lie, or mistate the law whenever they feel they can either:
A) get away with it,
B) it will help them in their cause,
C) whenever they want to, or
D) all the above, *usually the case*
Help us out here Jim...what gives.
If they wanted to really tell the people that this election was fair & above board then they should at least start with the truth and stay away from "scare tactics". Remember the burden is on the Reps to prove that this wasn't legal/fair/etc... not the Dems to prove it was, but their actions sure aren't helping their cause are they??
Cid
Posted by: CidinDupont on February 2, 2005 11:46 AMAs I pointed out earlier regarding the use of the term "legal aliens" in the press release, the answer is "Yes, and they're counting on it." The Dems have mastered the art of planting falsehoods in people's minds without exactly saying anything that can be proven untrue. But the words they use are calculated to leave a specific impression in the minds of voters that is often exactly the opposite of what they actually said.
This is one reason why the Republicans have been losing the media wars for so long.
Patrick said;
"The Dems have mastered the art of planting falsehoods in people's minds without exactly saying anything that can be proven untrue. But the words they use are calculated to leave a specific impression in the minds of voters that is often exactly the opposite of what they actually said."
Wrong, they say stuff that can be proven untrue all of the time. Once more people begin to challenge their false claims more, then the kool-aid drinking reporters at the media will be forced in actually doing some objective reporting. Case and point; The bloggers assault on "Rathergate" which forced the smug MSM to have to check out the facts, which led to 4 getting fired and Rather resigning at least a year before originally planned. Keep it up Sound Politics and like blogger sites - so that the MSM's feet remain subject to the BS detector.
Co-worker (self-proclaimed lib) says taxes are for the common good. She then celebrates registering her car one month early to get out of having to pay for an emissions test. Saved 15 bucks and it made her feel great!
So much for clean air and the common good. I think she means only 'others' should be held accountable for clean burning cars in Jester County.
Posted by: MB on February 2, 2005 01:45 PMI'm wondering if my teenager could do a better job. She pulled an A in her H.S. logic class, and at the very least she'd be more honest!
Posted by: Michele S on February 2, 2005 04:10 PMIt's like Kerry and Vietnam. He thought by ignoring the Swiftboat charges, people would move on. In politics, one can't avoid charges, no matter how baseless, forever or suffer the consequences of presumed guilt.
That said, BOTH sides have totally flip-flopped on the arguments and "supporting" data. The most ironnic part of the whole republican argument is that the hand count law WAS VOTED FOR BY ROSSI yet now they claim it's less accurate.
They were just as happy with what they now consider an illegitimate election, when Rossi held a razor thin margin.
Posted by: jim on February 2, 2005 06:58 PMThis election process was all screwed up -- I think everyone can admit that. Neither candidate would have been considered "legitimate" by at least fifty percent of the people.
As a Democrat, I am all for a revote. But only after we fix the problems in our voting that led to this mess.
If there is anything that Republicans and Democrats need to get together on it is how we conduct our elections. Perhaps we can become the model to the rest of the nation.
Posted by: Political Pulpit on February 3, 2005 09:27 AMI tend to agree with you. The courts are only the friends of those who have been "wronged".
Republicans have long railed against "activist judges", the ACLU, and in election irregularities only when it is not expedient to them.
Do the Republicans in this state have a right to bitch about the past election? Of course they do. We ALL should be working to fix the problems in the system.
The facts are the facts. We can choose our opinions, but we cannot choose our facts. The facts in this case is that there is evidence of voting irregularities not only in our state election, but in the national elections as well. There may not be anything we can do about the current outcome here or nationally, but we can certainly push for election reforms for the future elections.
Simply pushing for a revote right now will not accomplish anything until we fix the problems that led to our current situation. Let's try to repair the road before we try driving on it again.
Posted by: Political Pulpit on February 3, 2005 09:34 PM