Great effort at explaining what can be, sometimes, a dizzying set of numbers. Hopefully, Rossi's attorneys can connect the dots for the courts.

What and when is the next move for Rossi and the courts?

BRAVO.

Thanks for all the efforts Stefan.

Bottom line: THEY STOLE IT.

Whether we like it or not, the majority out there is losing interest. While the polls are still indicating a greater number of folks still believe Rossi beat Gregiore, the numbers are now below 50%. This is not good!

If the case for the Contest is not solid by now, we need to know. If it is, then lets get on with it!

The dems are going to succeed if the Contest is allowed to drag out much longer. Vance needs to tell the lawyers to get off their butts.

1. How did you extract the absentee votes and the absentee credited voters from these files. I noticed on absentee canvas zip file, but the recount file does not appear to break down the absentees. Similarly what file shows the absentee voters who were credited.

2. What data do the voter registration files in #4 contain. Is this where you got your numbers for the number of credited voters. How are these files compiled by King County?

3. You claim that this is evidence the election was "stolen". Which specific numbers in your post do you claim show this. Is it the mere fact of more votes than credited voters? Or is it something else of a more specific nature?

Thanks in advance.

I would greatly appreciate you taking your half baked questions back to HA or some other koolaid blog where such blatherings might seem reasonable in comparison.

The files in #4 contain as much voter information as is available to the public, including precinct assignments and voting credit.

I allege the election was stolen because of, among other reasons, the lingering unexplained discrepancy between voters and ballots, and the hundreds of ballots that materialized out of nowhere in the recounts, both of which seemed to favor Gregoire enough to push her over the top.

Again, King County has been refusing to release documents that address these phenomena and should either confirm my theory or offer a different explanation. Unless and until they release the documents they're obligated by law to release, and unless those documents offer a plausible explanation for these phenomena, I'm sticking with the explanation that the election was stolen.

Folks, keep in mind that KingCo worked and worked trying to reconcile. Then Logan threw up his hands and cried "IMPOSSIBLE". When Logan saw that some County's like Jefferson Co. reconciled votes and voters 100%....he knew the "IMPOSSIBLE" cry was deadmeat. So then Logan cried it's "UNNECESSARY"!!!!!
Logan should have closed his mouth from Day 1...but he didn't. Logan has been mighty quiet lately hasn't he.

I love the Seattle Times story about BIAW's due diligence on those provisional ballot affadavits that Berendt brought in covered with his pathetic sobbing and tears. Berendt attested to the validity of each and every affadavit. Remember the ruling by Judge Lean Dum (wasn't that his name?) that allowed LEFTIST activists to drive around interviewing voters on this list and only bring in the ones for Gregoire??? The ultimate in goofiness...especially since it created mass confusion in other County's and a clear-cut equal protection question.

The LEFTISTS are squealing about BIAW's due diligence like a bunch of "STUCK PIGS". Of course someone was going to do some due diligence on those signatures. Are the LEFTISTS shocked??? Hard to believe.

It's called accountability. Accountability for the LEFTIST ACTIVISTS who harvested these affadavits (and in many cases matching new voter signature cards...DUH!!!!) And accountability for Mr. Berendt.

Why are these Leftists squealing??? If all signatures are valid (I doubt that very much)...then the LEFTY's just picked up a quick $10 they can donate to the Gregoire 2005 Election Campaign...or MoveOn.org.

King County has the habit of hiding anything that will make them look bad. Fraud may not be the right term but Democratic Volunteer Voters may be proper for those who voted for the dead that made it into the polls. How many votes were from these volunteers will never be known. It is a problem that hides the real number of multiple votes from the same person. Those individuals who did this volunteer work should lose the right to vote forever. Then maybe we can get rid of this type of fraud. THe numbers will only show the real tip of the iceberg. Too many unknowns that will never be explained too place. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. It would be interesting to verify if a voter voted in the election. How many people did the volunteers vote for? We can only look at the list of Dead People that walked into poll place to vote. For each dead person voting in person how many alive people got their votes voted for them. I can see no defense for King County any release of information will only stregthen the Court Case for the Republicans. They will never do that. I do not think we can find out anything really factual until after the court case is complete.

Thanks for the reply.

1). RE the data in #4. You say this shows which voters were credited with voting, but does it allow you to identify which were absentees?

2.) You say hundreds of "new" votes were added during the recount. Can this be explained by the 500-700 discovered ballots that were wrongly not counted, and were the subject of the Court order to be counted. Weren't there also many "new" votes in the other counties (I seem to recall this from the recount files on the SOS page, but I could be remembering incorrectly.) And I recall reading that the percentage of changed votes during the recount in King wasn't out of wack with those in other counties.

I'm a democrat, so I'm naturally a little skeptical of your claims. But I am trying to honestly understand the facutal basis for them.

The last table, from a statistical standpoint, definitely infers some funny business. The larger numbers (the first three counts) show a statistically reliable baseline - 17.20 to 17.23%. The variance from that baseline in the "Bonus" votes is too great, statistically to lead to any assumption OTHER THAN that somebody was cheating, on a wholesale basis.

I agree - the attorneys for Rossi need to get moving with this. They should attempt to engage experts in statistics and probabilities from UW and WSU, in addition to experts in vote-trend anomalies.

I doubt that there is election fraud on a HUGE scale - i.e., Patty Murray's win over Nethercutt wasn't stolen. But in a close election as this, the theft of 2000 votes clearly makes a difference. I believe that those perpetrating the fraud are shaking in their reeboks right now hoping that the Chelan County case doesn't expose their individual deeds.

RE the data in #4. You say this shows which voters were credited with voting, but does it allow you to identify which were absentees?

Yes. It indicates whether the voter is credited absentee, polling or provisional

You say hundreds of "new" votes were added during the recount. Can this be explained by the 500-700 discovered ballots that were wrongly not counted

You're referring to the "No signature on file" (NSOF) ballots that I designated separately. Ultimately, 566 of these were included in the final count. There were also an additional 395 ballots that appeared in the recounts for which no explanation has been given.

``It's very unseemly. It actually is stealing people's signatures,'' Berendt said. ``What he's done is essentially a form of identity theft.''

http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/newsupdate/story3.shtml

Your can't prove the vote was stolen in Florida and Ohio. You have no such graphs as Stefan has provided. FACTS, Eric, FACTS will help me change my mind. How about you explaining away the climbing percentages for Gregoire in all the "found votes?"

You don't see anyone from Florida or Ohio involved with the Washington Elections process do you? Exactly, just as we aren't involved in their's. So how do you possibly jump to the conclusion that we here in Washington denied anything to those in Florida and Ohio?

In case you hadn't noticed, elections are local affairs, except of course when a democrat is in dire need and calls on her East Coast brethren to bankroll the final "count" that magically carries her to victory.

"chew2" may be less petulant than most his brethren, but the sneer in the questions is evident. Not just in today's post, but in others he recently posted.

Please forgive my own petulance.

I happened to look at the King County Elections news release page and found that they are announcing the availability of their report.

I suppose it's the same thing they brought out for the council, but haven't got up the energy needed to wade through it.

I did notice this in the Action Plan portion. It may be why you haven't yet received a copy of their written instructions.

"4. We require an updating of all procedural documentation; systems have evolved past the point of recognizable coordination."

I wonder how that could best be translated. Perhaps it says: "Our written instructions are so out of date that no one could recognize any resemblance between them and what we seem to recall having done during the last general election."

There must be some way to focus on individual precincts. I would think that if we are talking about manipulations of dozens or hundreds of ballots, those discrepancies would be magnified in the few precincts in which they arose. Is there any way you can zero in on that?

Facts that you studiously ignore.

What your precious MoveOn.org, MSM and the rest of the liberal data providers do is rather typical ... they ignore and leave out things that don't fit with what they think things aught to be rather than what is.

Here are some that I'm sure don't fit with you're view.

1) Florida recount wasn't stopped by the Supreme Court, they said merely that the recount had to include the WHOLE state, not just the dens of socialism the democrats wanted "redo". The DNC didn't want to do that.
2) The Florida ballots were recounted later by the DNC, and several members of the MSM and what did they find? Bush won.

The Washington vote was obviously fraudulent and Stefan has provided proof given the available evidence. Now I know that you folk don’t like to question your beliefs, but ask yourself … if there WEREN’T any funny business going on, why haven’t they come to light? Instead, the more we find out, the worse it looks and the more they try to hide. (Contrary to your lame cries about “Florida” and “Ohio”)

I know you're a troll, but at least you can read and with that ... there's the hope.

But I do have a comment on the
"the 2,139 ballots that were reviewed by the Canvassing Board, Gregoire had a 20.5% lead, vs. the 17.2% lead she had in King County overall. This implies that the Canvassing Board gave Gregoire a roughly 20% larger lead than you would expect if all else were equal."

There are two possible explanaitions:
1) unintentional bias: as the canvas board reviewed these ballots, they may have tended to decide improperly cast votes (which they all were!) as likely to be Gregoire votes since they "know" most voters in KC voted for Gregoire.
2) As in FL perhaps incompetent voters vote Democratic more often

Criminal.Division@usdoj.gov

https://tips.fbi.gov/

Interesting and ironic spin - Based upon the analysis above - I'd be interested to see how you can prove that they didn't commit voter fraud ? Youv'e got an uphill battle, dude ! and furthermore, the owness is now on King County to provide evidence to the contrary. It's looking very close to checkmate. Justice denied ? You must be talking of Bush vs. Gore 2000. That election was not contested then - therefore done. Newsflash - Bush won again in 2004 by over a 3% margin. So get over it !

The last two unshaded rows of your table seem to show Gregoire results that are statistically significantly different from her county-wide results. I take it that the penultimate row is a subset of the final row? I can see one non-fraudulent reason for the final row being different--Gregoire voters have a harder time voting correctly than non-Gregoire voters (I'm not advancing this argument, but it's a reasonable one to make). However, I can't think of a credible reason for the penultimate row to be significantly greater except (1) a miracle or (2) fraud. I believe (2) is far more likely an explanation than (1). I've got to assume that the fraud is much more than the distributed type; it appears to me that the King Co. Machine had a hand in the manufacturing of the necessary votes.

Thanks for everything. I am just amazed at the amount of time that you have been putting in and appreciate all of your hard work.

Thanks for all your hard work!

But sadly, the interest is waning and that's why the D's will drag it out, withhold information (binders), marginalize Stephens data & analysis, cancel accountability meetings and herald PR meetings commending the elections accuracy. The Dem's seem more than happy to put this behind us, promote inadequate election reforms and merrily slide along for 4 more years.

For my part, I think I know who the "somebody" is who stole it. It's all the liberals (not necessarily just democrats) who believe they know better than others how society should work, so much so that they feel entirely justified in doing whatever it takes to impose their views on the rest of us.

They've always been this way. Now thanks to Sound Politics a lot more of us know about it, and their work is getting harder and harder. If in coming elections we see Washington State trending red (hate the color, love the trend!) well then once again we will have you to thank.

Based on your analysis, it is now an absolute fact that the early counts that showed Gregoire with lower percentages were illegally manipulated by the Rossi campaign to hold down her vote.

After the real, honest election officials took charge, those errors were finally rectified.

Like my spin better? It's just as valid and "factual" as any spin you can come up with!

Get a life. You lost.

Comrade Nelson, I wish you well...

Each of these subsets that you define, if they were random samples, which would be reasonable to expect IF they were honest errors being corrected, should be close to the mean for all of King County. The huge increase in the lead for GreGore in these subsets demonstrates that they were not random. The were stuffed.

Statistics, when done properly, can be awfully inconvenient numbers. But, if you look at some of the statistics used by Democrats, particularly the gender feminist wing of the Democrats, it's pretty obvious that they play loose with numbers all the time.

Their problem is that they have been doing it for so long, and everyone has been ignoring it for so long, that they believe their own make-believe numbers. They weren't expecting that someone would dig in and find the truth.

Posted by Mr. Cynical at March 4, 2005 02:09 PM"........... This reminds me of the slick scam the police use to bring in those who are wanted with outsanding warrents. They promise free baseball or football tickets, and when the deadbeat all enter the room for the free handouts, the police shut the doors and arrest the losers. Classic!! [Al Pacino in what movie??]

Thanks Nelson, for following the pattern.

Personally, I think BIAW should have offered a lifetime supply of "free-range tofu" to the first 400 that show up for their certificate at the local hairy-legged food co-operative. That would have flushed out even more. Then you take their picture, get a driver's license and signature.
Then give them the bad news that there is no such thing as "free-range tofu".

Are you still going to be sitting here four years from now like some Democrats have for the past four years on the Bush/Gore election?

Heck, it even looks like Rossi is attempting to move on and look to the 2006 election against Cantwell.

Honestly? I really don't think anyone who isn't a political junkie could care less about this any more.

Move on, devote your time into fixing the system to insure something like this can't happen again. THAT is where you can do the most good. Push for honest election reform not just here, but nation-wide. I think you would have bipartisan support for something like that.

The system is broke and ripe with corruption on both sides. Democrats have been screeching about this for four years, try to catch up, will ya?

Devote time like the Dems are doing now to FIX the system??? What a joke!!! They "Know" what the problems are, they caused them.

You stated "Democrats have been screeching about this for four years, try to catch up, will ya?"

Catching Up is what is happening now, and the Dem's are will be Caught....

Political Pulpit - It appears to me that you must be one of those "Politcal Junkies" you spoke of, if you are "here"...

I never said I wasn't. What I WAS saying is that most of the people in this state couldn't care less.

Devote time like the Dems are doing now to FIX the system??? What a joke!!! They "Know" what the problems are, they caused them.

Pull the blinders off. Both sides have been pulling shennanigans all across the country for several years now. Why? Because the majority of people in this country are disinterested. We listened to four years of how the 2000 election was "stolen", and when there were obvious irregularities in the 2004 vote both here and in Ohio, (and elsewhere) people simply ignore it.

Part of the reason is that the media no longer works for its audience -- it works for its stockholders. Both sides accuse the media of being biased towards "the other side", but the reality is that the media is lazy and do not spend any time or money on investigative pieces anymore.

Yes, Democrats spent a lot of time bellyaching but little else. Now here in Washington it is the Republican's turn to complain.

You can cry all you want for a new election -- and it is possible you will get it -- but unless we fix the fundamental problems in the system itself, then nothing has really been accomplished.

I think that we can ALL agree that our election system has some serious flaws in it. We need to be talking about how to fix the system so that it is fair to everyone, because until we do that, our faith in that system will continue to errode.

I'm afraid Bill is right!
The Dems are gaining momentum in their push to scramble the facts in this election fraud. They are masking the truth of what transpired and are working the media daily to get their lies out. If Rossi's contest doesn't get going soon - the Dems will be successful in quieting the public outrage.

I hate to say it - but people are people. The people of this state are busy and tired and if they don't hear from the Rossi camp - and only hear from the lying Democrats day after day...they will lose heart! I am excluding those who frequent this and other conservative blogs of course...(We tend to be tenancious! :) )

Right now - All major media is cooling on the Rossi contest! Rossi needs to get his word and facts out. He needs to get the court case going. The media is already trying to spin the hard work and effort of the BIAW into something sinister!

Rossi needs to hold a press conference concerning the recent bogus attempts by Gregoire and King County at election reform! He needs to state why an all absentee voting system would be hazardous to our already broken system... He would revive the people's interest if he did this.
Most of all - Rossi needs to demand a court date or take his case higher....

I wasn't concerned before about taking additional time for discovery...but now that I'm seeing the Dems on steroids when it comes to swaying public perception - my alarms are sounding!

The media is already trying to spin the hard work and effort of the BIAW into something sinister!

Well, perhaps they should stick to something they know -- like building homes -- instead of sending out mailers to collect signatures under false pretenses, which I am pretty sure it illegal.

You still don't get it, do you? The approach you are attempting to take is not going to solve the underlying problem.

OK PP...Spill it!

What is the underlying problem and what do you suggest as the best way to solve it?
(and if I find out you are one of the trolls - wasting my time.......Well - let's not go there...)

The polling place worksheet appears to show that only 5 polling places had a number of "voterless ballots" which represented 5 percent or more of the total ballots counted.

King Co Admin Bldg -- 523 ballots, 65 more ballots than voters, 12% of total ballots were "voterless".

Rainier Free Meth Church -- 115 ballots, 40 more than voters, 35%.

The Josephinum -- 605 ballots, 34 more than voters, 6%.

Univ Temple United Meth Church -- 336 ballots, 16 more than voters, 5%.

McCarty Hall U of W -- 309 ballots, 14 more than voters, 5%.

If you get a chance to review the ballot accountability forms done by the polling place workers and the "big binder," it would probably be a good idea to see whether they contain any clues about those 5 polling places. If someone was neglectful enough to have allowed 5% or more of their polling place ballots to be cast by people who didn't sign the poll books, maybe they left some hint of just how that supposedly happened.

OK PP...Spill it!

What is the underlying problem and what do you suggest as the best way to solve it?
(and if I find out you are one of the trolls - wasting my time.......Well - let's not go there...)

A troll? Hardly. While I will admit that I am a Democrat, I am also a moderate-progressive. I voted for Rossi because I felt he was a better person for the job than Christine Gregoire. I do not think she is qualified for the job.

That being said, I don't buy into the idea that the democrats "stole" the election any more than I would if Rossi had won under the same situation. The "problem" is the election system itself.

This problem is not confined to just Washington state, but since we are only talking about what happened here, I will only address this state.

Washington has 39 counties, and a patchwork policies and practices that vary from county to county. There is no consistency, and what may be allowed or disallowed in one county may be opposite in another.

There was a lot of talk prior to the election dealing with the lack of paper trails in some counties, and the possibility of ambiguous votes in others. Some counties couldn't meet mailing deadlines for absentee ballots regardless of the amount of time they had to get them out.

One of our major problems is the length of time between the primary and the general election. The turn-around is simply too short to prepare for the general election.

What I would like to see is an earlier primary, standardized voting state-wide, and a computerized voters registration system that is capable of communicating with other databases in the state to determine voter's eligibility.

I would like to see a computerized voting machine that operates much like the ATMs you use for banking. When you cast your vote, you get a print-out that acts as the actual ballot, where you can double-check your vote prior to turning it in. You should also be able to go online at anytime, punch in your voter's ID number and a personal pin number to see if the system has recorded your vote the way you intended. (much like you do with online banking now)

We should also require people to register every two years giving positive proof of ID and residency.

These are just a few ideas. Feel free to come up with some of your own. The point is, unless we work together to safeguard our election process and make it fair to all concerned, we are going to continue to have problems.

The fact that these "new" ballots in King County that won the election for Gregorie were likely fraudulent should be the lead story instead of voter discrepencies.

"Keep it simple stupid" is important. Arguments that would win court cases will lose the general public. Most people don't want to hear detail. Detail is important to back up your case, but focus the message on the fraud.

Gonna do some windmills next?

What your precious MoveOn.org, MSM and the rest of the liberal data providers do is rather typical ... they ignore and leave out things that don't fit with what they think things aught to be rather than what is.

This was too funny to pass up. This siren screech of a "liberal-biased" media is getting old. Why not call it for what it really is -- the corporate media? The only bias is to its stockholders, not those of us who would like to rely on a credible news source but can't find one.

The Washington vote was obviously fraudulent and Stefan has provided proof given the available evidence. Now I know that you folk don’t like to question your beliefs, but ask yourself … if there WEREN’T any funny business going on, why haven’t they come to light? Instead, the more we find out, the worse it looks and the more they try to hide. (Contrary to your lame cries about “Florida” and “Ohio”)

No, he provided a scenario with suppositions based on a few facts, nothing more. Does this mean there wasn't fraud? No, because that hasn't been disproved either.

If the situation had been reversed, and Rossi had been declared the winner using the same numbers, and it was the Democrats doing all of the yelling and screaming of fraud and stolen elections, can you honestly sit there and tell me that the Democrats weren't p*ssing up a rope?

Speaking of Ohio, there is far more tangable evidence of voter fraud and rigging in that vote than any of the "evidence" shown here for the governor's race. But that "liberal-biased" media you like to blast barely uttered a bleat about it.

What FACT is that statement based upon, it is only an opinion....

PP also wrote "No, he provided a scenario with suppositions based on a few facts, nothing more. Does this mean there wasn't fraud? No, because that hasn't been disproved either"

I don't believe FRAUD needs to be proven. I may be wrong, but if enough ERRORS were made, that is enough for the Courts to overturn the election...

As far as Ohio goes:
Did Dead people Vote?
Did Felons Vote?
Did 500+ people from one address vote?

But the most important one is WAS THE MARGIN OF VICTORY 129 VOTES?

As far as Stefan's work, he does provide FACTS. His research is neverending.

The Dem's found 3 "felons" of the 1100 + that "say" their voting rights were restored, and the MSM ran with "fact of the 3", not the 1000+ that were illegal votes. Common sense should prevail, but between the spin of the Dem's and MSM, their is none. I look for what is "NOT SAID" in regard to the MSM.

As for Nelson, let him just keep spinning....he'll end up becoming a twister and take out downtown Seattle.

What FACT is that statement based upon, it is only an opinion....

Yep, just like every other comment posted here -- what is your point?

I don't believe FRAUD needs to be proven. I may be wrong, but if enough ERRORS were made, that is enough for the Courts to overturn the election...

That is a telling statement. What you are saying is that we only have to make accusations, spin a few numbers, and viola! we can overturn an election. The problem is, allegations are not facts until they are proven. You have made allegations of fraud based on partial evidence that may or may not be true.

As far as Ohio goes: Did Dead people Vote? Did Felons Vote? Did 500+ people from one address vote?

Possibly. But we do know that thousands of perfectly live people who were eligable to vote were kept from doing so, and almost 100,000 other voters in one city mysteriously "forgot" to vote for the president. We also know that in the heavily democratic precincts, there were only two voting machines for 3500 voters, whereas in the republican precincts there were four machines for 2000. Ninety five machines where kept in a warehouse even though the Republican Secretary of State swore they were all out in the field.

As far as Stefan's work, he does provide FACTS. His research is neverending.

Sure he does. A few facts, backfilled with a lot of opinion. As any attorney could tell you, you can create more than one different story using the same set of facts.

The Dem's found 3 "felons" of the 1100 + that "say" their voting rights were restored, and the MSM ran with "fact of the 3", not the 1000+ that were illegal votes. Common sense should prevail, but between the spin of the Dem's and MSM, their is none. I look for what is "NOT SAID" in regard to the MSM.

Actually that was the Seattle Times who found the three felons -- the first three that they interviewed.

These are ex-felons, BTW. Felons would be those who are currently involved in felonious activity.

It is however _evidence_ of potential fraud.

When I run a scientific experiment, having all of my data trend in one direction or another following none of my observed variables - this is a problem. I would get back _scathing_ letters if my data had a similar pattern and was submitted to peer review without at least noticing the pattern and listing in detail everything I examined as a potential source of error - including 'day of week', 'name of person gathering data', 'room temperature' and other nominally unrelated things. From a statistics standpoint, seven ascending points on a nominally flat line _is_ "beyond a reasonable doubt" - provided that a solid counter-argument is not made. ("Oh, well, we've discovered a new phenomena that accounts for the trend.")

Showing your bias? From widipedia - A Felon is defined as: Those who are convicted of a felony are known as felons. After conviction, the only way to become an 'ex-felon' is to die!

Also, errors can be proven - i.e. it may be possible to show as a matter of fact that the election result turned on the basis of errors. Wouldn't you find this sufficient to require remedy? Regardless, hopefully State law will find this sufficient to require remedy...