Dean Logan will appear before the King County Council at 9:30am.
I'll be there. You can also watch the proceedings on King County TV
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 14, 2005 09:13 AM | Email ThisCan't wait to see what's in the packet. I am sure Stefan will post.
They are starting the usual mantra "Yes there were errors, no they were not a big deal."
Lies saying they were comparable to previous elections, etc.
Makes me want to vomit.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 09:54 AMImpossible to have an objective discussion about what really happened by submitting arguments from only one side of the discussion.
Praising Logan over and over saying he is the best elections officer in the state. Unreal. How come there were more ballots with errors than the margin of the victory?
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 09:58 AMSites new numbers of 374 says that this is even more accurate. Of course, not only is this number misleading as Stefan has shown, but it is still more than double the margin of victory.
Talking now about partisanship. Elections too important to let partisanship bacome a factor. I suppose he's referring to Paul Berendt crying to try and get ballots counted and getting affidavits only from Democrats as the example of partisanship.
What a joke.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 10:03 AMIsn't it amazing how the margin of victory has no relevance to them?
Posted by: VaCSProf on March 14, 2005 10:05 AMBy the way there weren't attorneys and observer at every pollsite!
Nauseating, to say the least.
By the way, do you know how many people believe that it is over? I find myself having to inform people frequently that it is not "over." I then direct them to soundpolitics.
Robyn
Posted by: Orange Robyn on March 14, 2005 10:17 AMBottom line, Democrats just don't want secure elections. Democrats want to be able to influence the outcome, just like they gerrymander legislative districts to take advantage of minorities, etc.
It's all a scam where the Democrats prey on the poor and uneducated to advance their policies of elitism, racism, wealth redistribution, unions, etc.
OOh, now "focus groups".
Now let's see what kind of questions are asked of Dean Logan?
Posted by: Orange Robyn on March 14, 2005 10:24 AMWhitewash.
Jimmy Carter would be proud here, this election was run just about like the election in Venazuela, where Chavez won, gee, that was a surprise.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 10:24 AMI would amend that statement to read, "Yes there were errors, no they were not a big deal, because the Democrats retained the governorship." If Rossi had ended up with a 129-vote lead with the same set of circumstances, there would have been such wailing and the gnashing of teeth from the Democrats never seen before after any election, including the Gore 2000 fiasco.
When (and if) Rossi wins in court, be prepared for the wailing to start, and continue for a very long time.
I have seen and heard this; including someone stating an opinion in my local newspaper, that he or she was glad that Rossi had decided to quit contesting the election. That was news to me. Perhaps more could be done to inform the public of what is actually happening.
Dragging this case out for so long I think is not good for the state as a whole, but the Demos seem to be only interested in their party agenda and not in the interest of all Washingtonians. The Republican Party should be pushing harder to get this case to trial sooner rather than later.
I'm sure he means well.
Posted by: someone on March 14, 2005 11:49 AMSince when have we changed the name of King County to Martin Luther King County has Gossett just stated?
Trying to hold down my lunch while listening to this dribble.
Posted by: Bud on March 14, 2005 11:50 AMDean Logan in the Batting Cage.
Never seen so many down the center slow lobs in my whole life.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 11:58 AMIt's a sad day for the GOP when CM Fergeson and even CM Mao Constantine are more useful to get to the bottom than Hague, Reichbauer, and Dunn. Courtney Love Patterson is back in business though. CM Pelz did a slick job minimizing his footprint on the canvassing board, considering he hires or fires Dean Logan, who also sits on that board.
Posted by: Mogura on March 14, 2005 12:15 PMThis implies any felon/alien/under-18 can vote by registering to vote in person beteeen 15 and 30 days from the election. Am I missing something?
Posted by: VaCSProf on March 14, 2005 12:21 PMWhat is King County spending to maintain a set of webpages just for presumeably, non-English reading Chinese persons?
Posted by: Mike on March 14, 2005 12:37 PMThat's what I am wondering. If you just wait for the proper "window", it would seem anyone could vote in WA elections by going to King County. The MoveOn.org gang could send in busloads of out-of-state non-residents, "register" them to vote in King Co., using the Board of Elections building as their "home" address, Dean Logan would turn a blind eye to it, and 'Rats would get elected by landslides each and every election. So good people like Stefan would challenge their registration after the fact and maybe (note: maybe) get them removed from the rolls. But they could play the same game the next time around? So what if they were successfully challenged the first time? Would that count against them?
Posted by: Interested Observer on March 14, 2005 12:43 PMCitizens, by birth or naturalized, should have a working knowledge of our english language. If they don't, they need to bone up on it.
If voters don't have a mastery of the english language, I would question their citizenship. And questioning citizenship, to quote Martha, "is a good thing".
Posted by: Susu on March 14, 2005 12:47 PMThey should be using sharpies!
Posted by: Fred on March 14, 2005 12:54 PMI have no credentials in forensic psychology, but I see Dean Logan repeatedly tugging (with his fingers) at the corners of his mouth, glancing away as he answers, and stroking his (balding) hair while he answers.
These are all Psych 101 clues that he's lying. Anyone who can substantiate this?
Posted by: BadjerJim on March 14, 2005 12:56 PMI have no credentials in forensic psychology, but I see Dean Logan repeatedly tugging (with his fingers) at the corners of his mouth, glancing away as he answers, and stroking his (balding) hair while he answers.
These are all Psych 101 clues that he's lying. Anyone who can substantiate this?
Posted by: BadjerJim on March 14, 2005 12:57 PMI learned that the procedure for casting Provisional Ballots changed since I last worked an election. In addition to folding PV's, the inspector (or poll book judge?) affixes a label to the ballot, covering up some bar code on the ballot, and preventing it from being accepted by the AccuVote machine. As somebody mentioned elsewhere, there seems to be nothing preventing an aggressive, moving on kind of voter from pulling the label off and feeding it through.
I learned that the AccuVote machine will accept a ballot that has been creased. The instructions to poll workers to fold PV's seems to be mostly a waste of time. The thinking might be that poll workers will see a PV voter walking up to the AccuVote machine and stop them before they feed it through.
I learned anyone with an absentee ballot can enter any polling stations and insert the absentee into the AccuVote machine. This is disturbing.
Dean Logan and the other suits seem to have a different impression of what is going on in the polling places than what is actually occurring. The stacks of ballots are not always secured. The AccuVote machine is frequently left unattended. The training that I experienced did not really stress the security aspects of the job. I believe their thinking was, and is, that serious looking poll workers who look capable of preventing fraudulent voters might be intimidating to some voters.
Unfortunately, the solution that Edmonds and others are zeroing in on is voting by mail. This is madness.
Dean Logan and, who was it, Pelz or Phillips (?), pointed out that the 3 known instances of bereaved survivors voting on behalf of the dearly departed did so by forging signatures indistiguishable from the sigs on file. Question... what is to prevent an abusive or subversive spouse from stealing a living spouses ballot? I mean, we all know how eveil and abusive husbands are... why would we let them vote twice?
Posted by: Huckleberry on March 14, 2005 01:36 PMAfter analyzing this election for many months, I now think that the malfeasance comes in to play such that Logan, Sims, Phillips, Huennekens, et. al. did not perpetrate fraud themselves, nor was there even a gross amount of organzed fraud, so much as they enabled distributed fraud to occur at just enough of a level in the form of known dead voters, known felons, improperly handled provisionals, etc. so as to render the result of the election indeterminiate with respect to the margin.
The crime is that in a highly partisan and exculpatory manner, they have denied that their efforts to cast the election in a good light, move quickly towards certification, etc. all allowed the election to be declared valid, even in light of a total amount of discrepancy that overshadows and outweighs the margin of victory.
Had these officials been acting in accordance with their sworn duties, in good faith, and mostly out of common sense, they would have instead halted the certification of what anyone can plainly see is an election that is too close to call given the acknowledged humanity of the process and close result.
Instead, they chose to deny the evidence and now have to continue defending themsleves and reiterating within their own echo chamber that the election was not only less than flawed, but actually quite good.
This is a sad day for truth and justice.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 01:42 PMThe devil is in the detail. This was merely a surfacey overview. The LEFTIST mantra that "because Logan had such sterling "front-end" controls in place at precindts AND with absentees, there was absolutely no way any errors or neglect occurred"!! They say this out of one side of their mouth....
Out of the other side of their mouth they are saying "this is a very HUMAN process"!
WHICH IS IT??
I see this boiling down to illegal votes and errors/neglect in KingCo precedures resulting in unaccounted for ballots.
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on March 14, 2005 01:46 PMWhat is especially discouraging is that the Labour Party plans to continue using postal ballots -- in spite of the fraud, intimidation, et cetera.
(I have done some posts on my personal site on their problems, if you want to know more.)
Posted by: Jim Miller on March 14, 2005 01:50 PM
There's altogether too much involvement by the plebes in the voting process. If King County counts 10,000 more ballots than were sent in, who's to know?
Don't you trust Ron Sim's handpicked election supervisor?
Posted by: South County on March 14, 2005 02:08 PMUnfortunately, from Dean Logan's point of view, the election was not too close to call. Essentially, Gregoire won King County by 200,000 votes or so. That margin is far greater than the margin of error in the election. Therefore, Dean Logan can say comfortably, that Gregoire was the winner in King County. The problem occurs because Rossi won the rest of the state by the same margin.
While I believe that Gregoire's margin of victory in King County was "technically augmented" by one or several methods, Logan's position is actually defensible when one considers only King County.
It would appear that King County has found a perfectly legal method to dictate the outcome of an election.
Posted by: MIMike on March 14, 2005 02:34 PMI see your point, but in the immortal words of Paul Newman as Cool Hand Luke, "Callin' it your job, don't make it right boss."
Logan wants us to believe that it all went well enough for King County, because, as we know, they delayed the reporting of King County numbers until all other counties had reported. They were able to verify that KC would have enough votes, they had to go and tap into previously untapped wells of votes such as the affadavit votes, etc. but they just managed to squeak enough votes in to match the rest of the state. Now, if they had also been as aggressive with filtering out the felons, dead, mishandled provisionals, etc. then it would have been another story.
Anyone who says anything other than that the result is indeterminate, is in denial. We simply don't know who won, and only because there was a knee jerk rush to certification for the sake of certification is Gregoire in office.
While the courts may let it stand, that doesn't make it right or objective.
That's why the conservatives are so upset, there's been an injustice. A more honest, and less partisan group at KC Elections would have been more forthcoming with information regarding all of the flaws and done the right thing and asked for a runoff or new election.
But they are not interested in honesty, objectivity or justice, they are only interested in maintenance of power. This will come back to haunt the Democrats in 2006 and 2008. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 03:30 PMAfter he is elected, the first order of business would be to give Dean Logan the boot.
Unfortunately, we will have to wait 3.75 more years to fix the mistake we made when we re-elected the current Secretary of State.
Posted by: jaybo on March 14, 2005 03:46 PMJust a thought....
Posted by: timman on March 14, 2005 03:56 PMWhen Logan and Huennekens are deposed, I would recommend they both bring a box of DEPENDS because with the grilling they are going to get, they will need them.
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on March 14, 2005 04:24 PMYes! That is what I've been trying to say!! There are hundreds of registered voters using the county buildings as their residence address and list their mailing addresses as out of the country! There is virtually NO tie to the state of Washington with these voters! They are not military - they are residents of Italy, Canada, France, China, Japan, Israel.. etc.... Yet - they were able to register to vote in 2004 in our elections and most voted absentee!! There is no way to tell if they have ties to this state or this country!! And Logan seems just fine with that!
Todays meeting was absolutely disgusting! I was ill watching it!
I have something for that hungover Patterson...:
No government agency can have this many descrepancies, errors and misunderstandings of RCW and WAC's without intention..If they are intentional - they are fraud! FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD. King County committed Fraud in the November election and probably has been committing Fraud for years!
Yo! Julia! Did I say the *F* word?? Yes I did! Fraud. And you should probably not even be on the council but are there due to a previous fraudulent election! Shall we check into that?? I think so!
This entire exercise in county government is shameful! It's a machine that has gone bad. People need to wake up because this machine is now on steroids.
Rossi....The time is now or the people lose everything.
Posted by: Deborah on March 14, 2005 04:54 PMROSSI, ARE YOU READING THIS? - IT IS TIME!
Posted by: DeadWood on March 14, 2005 05:38 PMWell, let's keep yelling our heads off because I for one will never accept this election process as it stands now. I just hope everyone remembers all of this when our representatives are up for re-election. That is the only thing they care about. Getting re-elected.
Posted by: Vicki on March 14, 2005 06:16 PMand when they asked Dean Logan if he knew of anyone who'd committed fraud and he said no, I thought that they'd had to fire some of the counters early on for things like feeding the same Gregoire ballot through the counter fives times. am I right? Anyone remember that kind of stuff back when?
Posted by: Michele on March 14, 2005 06:36 PMThis fraud is now open and exposed for all to see. The fraud has been perpetrated in broad daylight and those who engineered it are laughing in our faces. They throw it back in our laps and laugh and say, live with it. They are shameless, brazen, in-your-face cheaters and liars and they hold self-congratulatory circle jerks like this latest meeting to pat each other on the back for what a good job they did perpetrating the fraud and laugh at everyone else who is on the outside looking in.
What are the options for the honest people in Washington State? Civil disobedience? Taking it to the streets? Open rebellion against a corrupt government? I'm just asking questions, here, not advocating anything, because, to be honest, I'm at the end of my rope. As a non-Washingtonian I have suggested things like those in charge at the federal level take actions (in effect sanctions) against the state because of it's fraudulent leadership. But beyond that, if the people of the state are content to sit and accept the fraud and illegitimacy, what courses are open to us as civilized and law-abiding citizens?
Posted by: Interested Observer on March 14, 2005 06:37 PMThis is how it's supposed to be......This is the spirit of our nations democratic process!
If this process becomes vulnerable and broken through deception, error, fraud, etc... then the people of this state are not represented by candidates chosen by a 'true' majority! Thus our entire democratic process is void. Those who hold office are NOT truly those who the people voted for in majority!
What I'm saying is - these candidates who are now in official positions, are usurping the will of the people of this county and state and may well be in their position by means of fraud in past elections! This could be why they are hesitant to truly reform our election process and instead have created a huge opening for future fraud via an all absentee voting system! If this is the case...we can expect more foot dragging with reform, more oppressive bill passing in haste, and future threats of legal action against those who continue to question their authority....
I think it's time to call....*Broken Arrow*.....to the Feds.....
Posted by: Deborah on March 14, 2005 06:39 PMHistorically, federal intervention in state matters has required some Constitutional issue as a lever upon which to base action. Perhaps this is now the time for Rossi to take this to the USSC on the basis of the Equal Protection clause. It's clear the political/administrative process is too corrupt in WA to make a difference.
When you go to battle against someone, you don't advertise how you're going to kick their teeth in. There's a saying that a broadcaster in DFW uses..."I don't care what anybody says about me, as long as it's not the truth."
The point is this...as long as the 'RATS believe that the GOP will be rolled, they will be woefully unprepared for the real battle in court. My hope and belief is that all will be happily surprised at the arsenal that the GOP will unleash.
Posted by: dkpcowboy on March 14, 2005 06:54 PMBut instinct is telling me that a window of opportunity is closing soon with regard to Rossi's momentum. I'm seeing a lull that is extremely dangerous to public interest in election reform. The people of this state have had their hopes up many times in the past (that someone will challenge those who are taking over our state by questionable means)- only to have those hopes crushed repeatedly by lack of action and reform - followed by a reign of *in your face* oppression and usurption of the peoples will.
If any state in the union becomes vulnerable and broken in it's election process - then the security of the entire nation also becomes vulnerable! This is how nations are invaded, constitutions and rights scrapped and citizens are held hostage to communist, anarchist, tyranical, etc... rule. Currently, we are seeing property rights trampled, personal rights banned, mandatory socialist programs installed, religion scoffed, our military and police officers villianized, parental rights yanked,...etc...
This is not America! (Land of the free - home of the brave) Our freedoms are being taken and our brave are made out to be evil monsters! Something's happening here.....
I would love to believe that Rossi et al...are secretly winding up for a knock-out punch.....but my senses are telling me that something is wrong - stalled...Too much time is passing before we are hearing anything....Too many facts about the fraud, errors, etc. are surfacing without a challenge other than from a couple of brave reporters and of course, Stefan....
I am very patient. Sometimes to a fault...If I'm getting the willy's here.....it cannot be a good sign....
Posted by: Deborah on March 14, 2005 07:33 PMI also suggested that they mention the word fraud in their case. The fraud that took place was chaotic, yet organized on the outside (moveon.org) & and election workers were possibly unknowing or accomplices or encouraged in certain precincts merely by not enforcing election laws because they received no direction from the top - what a surprise ! Seems like the word fraud can only strengthen their case, even though they don't have to prove it. FYI - The address is info@dinorossi.com
You want to know why they're coming after you for taxes to fund tens of billions in unfunded road projects? Look no further than the magicians in our own planning departments that now, with the use of manipulated computer models, can make any gridlocked road able to take more cars. You get to pay to fix it later.
You want to make a point that all of this corruption is enough? Go down to a land use hearing and support the poor folks whose neighborhoods are being destroyed with fraudulent road studies that our development agencies are creating in the employment of developers. Tell the King County Council to listen to the people and not government planners who get paid by developers.
To some of us, what everyone is seeing in Elections is old news. It's just more of the same. It's too bad no one was listening when we and others were fighting similar corruption in other parts of King County, but also under Sims and previous executives. With a little help, maybe we could have cleaned some house and we wouldn't all be going through this today. Maybe Gary Locke would never have been governor, and Sims wouldn't be executive today.
Myself, I'm just cynical now and expect history to repeat itself, because we really never learn anything from our mistakes.
Posted by: Mike on March 14, 2005 08:08 PMThe Republicans have rolled over and this is not the Ukraine. The streets remain empty. The Press even more empty.
Posted by: PGM on March 14, 2005 08:21 PMTo witness such ineptitude on the council - ie; Patterson, Phillips, Gossett, Edmonds, Constantine... It's infuriating to know these people are in position's above the cashier at the local Wendy's Drive thru window! Their indifference to the will of the people with regard to the election fraud is revealing...They are foolish - but they aren't stupid! They know exactly when to plead ignorance and when to change the subject to social sympathies....(ie; the race card - Gossett's "Martin Luther King county" quip and another's reference to Chinese language ballot instructions...)They seem about as relevant to the election problems as any other hot-button issue would be if it were injected into today's charade (I'm suprised no one brought up abortion and Gay Marriage as excuses for voter error!!) They throw in the race card as though saying people of color or races in the minority are too stupid or bogged down with legal fees from committing felonies to be able to legally vote! That we should feel sorry for them! And in that assumption - they (Gossett and the other race-card liberals) are themselves - racists!
I am more determined now than I've ever been to see this crap exposed and cleaned up once and for all! I know I have plenty of company in this determination - from all over the state. This company is growing daily. But Rossi is the key! It is with him and his contest that the door is opened to the people to remove those who have failed to serve and represent us. Confidence in the election process must be restored before anything else can happen.
This is where we are stalled.
Many of the very partisan and very Logan sympathetic liberals asked Logan what appeared to be harder hitting questions, to keep up the guise of really wanting to get to the bottom of anything that went wrong with the election. Clearly though, Phillips et. al. are anything but hostile towards Logan. And often, the "hard hitting" questions were designed to lead to a line of questioning that then conveniently difused any doubts regarding that particular topic. They might want to try for an Emmy.
What a sharade. I can't wait to read Stefan's report. It should be very interesting.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 14, 2005 09:58 PMNone of this will be cleaned up til the people demand it...lots of people..in one accord.
Posted by: Susu on March 14, 2005 10:01 PMThe Feds may well come in even or especially if the Supremes screw up the decision - will see how they deal with the one on Gay Marriage - won't we !
Posted by: KS on March 14, 2005 10:13 PMA few corrections:
Jeff B. In the first recount, Governor Gregoire was ahead until the last county, Benton County, reported. I'm sure you were up in arms about this Republican county holding out until they were sure of enough votes to fraudulently give Dino Rossi his tainted win. Thank goodness for the hand recount, right?
Let's get it straight, King County is the biggest county by far, it is hardly surprising it took the longest, especially when parts of its count were held up by court action.
Second, to everyone, from Merriam-Webster Online (www.m-w.com), since you all seem to have troubles with this word:
Fraud:
1 a : DECEIT, TRICKERY; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : TRICK
See, it needs to be intentional. You can't have chaotic fraud. In fact, without intent, you can't have fraud at all. You can have mistakes, but if a person blows through a stop sign and hits your car, that is not fraud.
Number of illegal votes so far shown to have been fraudulently cast for Governor Gregoire: 0
If Rossi was smart, or any one in the GOP in this state, he woudl save his career by dropping his suit and saying he will work tirelessly for election reform. Instead, he is taking the big chance that he will be dragged down by the crazies who are surprised that 98% of the population of this state is not willing to take to the streets over a few errors that didn't really amount to everything. But, please, don't let me stop you from crying wolf..., this is getting more and more hillarious as times goes on. So forgive the shaudenfreude, and please continue
I've seen 'wolf' called plenty of times on this election - and I have yet to leave without seeing tracks, fur, fangs and bad attitude.
Posted by: Al on March 14, 2005 10:32 PMAnywho, going to bed now.
Posted by: Jason on March 14, 2005 11:19 PMParanoia? Depression? More like...*ANGER* *FURY*!
And it's growing....JDB......(pssst...otherwise you would not be posting here...)
You HAVE to come here day after day - just to know where we are and what our moves are....You lose sleep worrying about it.... If this wait is frustrating for us - it is excruciating for you and your liberal buddies! Not knowing if your people will finally be busted out of office! Shamed by their deeds...tsk..tsk... I feel sorry for you! You must truly be a mess by now!
Don't go getting all depressed and paranoid on us! Hang in there! It's going to get very rough for you and your fellow socialist wannabe's very soon....We want you to see this to the end...(so we can have that priceless kodak moment...snicker...)
Deceit; the act or practice of deceiving, an attemtp to deceive, evidenced as lying about the certified numbers as is now apparent.
Fraud; imposter or cheat, a person who is not what he or she pretends to be.
Trickery; the practice of crafty underhanded ingenuity to deceive or cheat.
Distributed; to divide among several or many, to spread out so as to cover something, to give out or deliver especially to members of a group.
Examples under deceit and trickery; illegal voting, willful perversion of a judge's order by only collecting selected signatures, and political spinning and public grandstanding on clear issues.
The exact opposite of deceit; honesty, scrupulosity, scrupulousness, uprightness; candidness, candor, frankness, openness; forthrightness, straightforwardness
As you may notice, deceit is the only true way to describe the actions of the democrats in this election. The republicans have asked for and upheld the exact opposite of deceit. They want openness and straightforwardness in the election which the democrats are trying to prevent. Thanks JDB, yes, you made this topic's point quite nicely.
It really does not help to have Rossi-supporters throwing the F----word around without proof.
I doubt we will EVER be able to PROVE Fraud...and besides it's not required in this election contest.
The Dems love it when you all throw the FRAUD word around in anger. If you haven't noticed, they knock it down EVERY TIME>
So knock it off---you look foolish.
Illegal votes are NOT necessarily FRAUD
So knock it off!!!!!!
Republicans are stupid to get sucked into using the F----word just like they are stupid using the LIBERAL word. The problem in Washington State isn't LIBERAL's. The problem is LEFTIST's & MARXIST's. Some of my conservative brethren need a vocabulary lesson.
Get rid of the FRAUD and LIBERAL words for God's sake!
YGTBSM..... and he wants our support for County Exec? Perhaps, but only if a lot of us hold our noses....
The Second Amendment was written just for this problem. It was not written for the collector, or the sportsman, nor for the NRA. It was written so that We The People could take back our government when it stop repesenting us and turned into a tyrannical power.
Son,
I'm pretty sure this is not what the public schools are teaching our children...too scary.
An example was (if I have the date right) I believe the next to last gov race where the Reps had 6 or 8 candidates in the primary -- duh -- there is no way that diffusing the attention of the voters across that wide of a selection could possibly lead to a win. Lock waltzed right back in - barely touched.
BTW - my mom told me over 40 years ago that when she was in high school in Wyoming in the 1920's that the University of Washington had a reputation of being a haven and hotbed of communists -- obviously the marxist mind rot is and has been endemic in Western Washington. Reading the majority of the troller's posts on this blog illustrates the extent of the mind rot that the kool-ade drinkers are suffering.
Posted by: Bill on March 15, 2005 07:56 AM"The dialogue remained civil. In contrast with strong Republican rhetoric in the past about King County goofs in the election, the toughest talk yesterday came from Democrats."Please, someone tell me that that's not true. I heard Rep. Steve Hammond (R) from Enumclaw on KVI talking with Travis sitting in last night and that's not the impression that I got at all. That was echoed again this morning on KTTH with Mike Siegel in speaking with Chris Vance and Stefan. Posted by: Sopater on March 15, 2005 09:07 AM
"Thank you all for a good laugh. I don't know which is funnier, the paranoia or the depression."
I guess I can empathize with you, JDB. Normally I don't gloat, but now you know how I felt on November 2, 2004. The funny depression of the left over their Commander, John Kerry, not being allowed to report to duty by the majority of the American people.
And of course, the misplaced paranoia of the Bush Administration these last four+ years - especially the comparisons to the Nazis. I find that funny because of the lack of any historical perspective whatsoever. Bush is giving freedom to tens of millions of people around the world, and when the left makes those paranoid assertions they drive even more people into our camp. Keep it up!
But rest assured, the outcome of our anger and fury will not resemble the outcome of your depression and paranoia. Republicans go to work - we get things done - and we don't wallow in misery like you folk.
Peace
Posted by: Larry on March 15, 2005 09:56 AMPeople in this country have got to wake up to the fact that the US Declaration of Independence and Constitution fly directly in the face of all the other power structures, monarchies, royalties, major religious power structures and all the other rotten ism's that the great rest of the other world has ever come up with -- for instance -- just 120+ miles north of here - the people are "SUBJECTS"
I remember when (maybe still?? ) the commie paper - Worker's World or some such name was sold on the streets of downtown Seattle.
Posted by: Bill on March 15, 2005 10:14 AMFYI.
I'd be up for Robert-In-Tacoma's suggestion. We can easily raise whatever is needed to advertise.
Jeff-In-Tacoma-Too
My first question is "how does the outline above differ from the Democrat agenda?" My second question is "Isn't the Republican agenda uncomfortably close to the outline, too?"
I now DECLARE, to you and to the world, that Man, up to this hour, has been, in all parts of the earth, a slaue to a TRINITY of the most monstrous evils that could be combined to inflict mental and physical evil upon his whole race.I refer to PRIVATE, OR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY — ABSURD AND IRRATIONAL SYSTEMS OF RELIGION — and MARRIAGE, FOUNDED ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY COMBINED WITH SOME ONE OF THESE IRRATIONAL SYSTEMS OF RELIGION.
- Robert Owen, "Declaration of Mental Independence," 1825
This also sounds familiar to my recently awakened ears...
Posted by: Huckleberry on March 15, 2005 11:38 AMMy e-mail is here and I would gladly help in time or money to make this happen.
We may not be able to get the MSM or the Democrats to stop lying, but we can do as our Founding Fathers did and educate the populous ourselves.
Posted by: lee egg on March 15, 2005 11:38 AM