The other day I reported that two non-citizens are confirmed to have voted in the November election and were since dropped from the voter rolls. I asked King County Elections to explain how these non-citizen voters came to their attention and subsequently had their registrations cancelled for lack of U.S. citizenship.
I thank Bill Huennekens for his prompt reply.
The non-citizen voters turned themselves in.
One case is that of Chun C. Chen, who, I confirmed from information in the public records that King County produced, is a sophomore in Biochemistry at the University of Washington. He registered to vote as a permanent absentee voter in June 2004 and returned his absentee ballot in mid-October. He appeared at the King County Elections office on November 5, three days after the election, and reported that he was not a citizen after all and wanted to have his voter registration cancelled. He also requested documentation from King County that he cancelled his registration in order to show the INS that he was a well-behaved non-citizen, or something.
By the time he cancelled his registration, his ballot had already been processed. Too late to retrieve it. He got to vote. His vote was counted. I have no idea how he voted, all I know is that this one non-citizen cancelled the vote of one U. S. citizen.
There's no excuse for his having voted. The registration form requires you to sign an oath that you are a United States citizen. So does the absentee ballot envelope. If the guy can read English well enough to study biochemistry, I imagine he can read English well enough to understand the oath on the registration form: "I am a citizen of the United States" and the warning for lying:
If you knowingly provide false information on this voter registration form or knowingly make a false declaration about your qualifications for voter registration you will have committed a class C felony that is punishable by imprisonment for up to five years, or by a fine of up to ten thousand dollars, or both imprisonment and fine."Of course it's possible somebody impersonated Mr. Chen when the registered to vote, voted and/or cancelled his registration. Either way, I hope the county prosecutor and/or the U.S. Attorney investigates this case. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 15, 2005 05:53 PM | Email This
Great Job and keep up the pressure!
Posted by: sgmmac on March 15, 2005 06:34 PMThis kind of abuse should not be tolerated.
Posted by: Unkl Witz on March 15, 2005 07:00 PMMaybe if the state decided to verify the citizenship of all those Chinese and Spanish ballots....
Posted by: iconoclast on March 15, 2005 07:19 PMNo, I don't see provisional ballots going away.
Posted by: Huckleberry on March 15, 2005 07:27 PMLudachris would not be gov right now if these provisionals weren't illegally counted! I don't see how voting by mail helps the Dems, but they seem to think it will.
It will probably stop observors from over watching also. King County really doesn't have to worry though since they issued many duplicate, triple and quadruple ballots to the same voters....... I personally think many of them were counted also!
Several days ago Bill Huennekins (however you spell his name) admitted that 40 people double voted and that they would have to go back to check why...... They arn't being investigated or prosecuted either. WTF? It seems like you can get away with anything in KC!
Posted by: sgmmac on March 15, 2005 07:58 PMDoes anyone behind the prosecution have the stones to call it Distributed Vote Fraud ? That is clearly what it was - the voters stuffed the ballot boxes with >1000 provisional ballots and the margin of so-called victory was 129 ?
The county workers did not promote voter fraud -instead they turned a blind eye and did not enforce where laws were broken and didn't call it to others attention when they detected
wrongdoing.
The Democrats of the King County council are now deep into aiding and abeting the coverup by Dean Logan, et.al. - when numerous laws were broken - perhaps the most blatant was the enhancement of 55,000+ ballots, no telling how many 1,000's of votes were added to Christine Gregoire's total.
If you don't believe this, read up on the ballot enhancement that took place. Yes, I know the MSM downplayed like nothing happened as did the Democrat partisan mouthpieces. However, Mike Siegel, Bob Williams and the Shark spoke of this occurrance this morning and stated that Mr. Logan should be behind bars for this and then covering it up. Dean Logan may plead ignorance to doing this, but he is as guilty as sin - just like anyone else that promoted this fraudulent practice. Is that good enough for you doubters of voter fraud, who are for a new election ?
Posted by: KS on March 15, 2005 08:17 PMHe states that he has to register anyone who fills out a card by federal and state law.
Gregory Roberts wrote the article. Perhaps he misquoted Logan. I don't know.
Dean thinks that ANYONE who fills out a card must be registered by law. Regardless of eligibility, Dean will put you on the rolls.
Outrageous!
Posted by: Patches Pal on March 15, 2005 08:51 PM"umm but uhh you see ummm this was a ummm very close race and the number of errors relative is small given the magnitude of voters. All the talk radio spots and press conferences in the world will not change the fact that this was a very close election. There is no smoking gun. No one can prove fraud."
Posted by: Andy on March 15, 2005 08:53 PMI hope they didn't send him a box of the decadent chocolates from their Naral event. What a ploy. "We only had two non-citizens vote - and they are both such upright and honest people that they came foreward and apologized" Gee, I'm so touched.
There has to be a way to get a list of legal citizens. The whole motor voter scheme is an invitation to fraud. How can we weed out the illegals? I used to think that eventually the "people in charge" would make sure everything was straight. Now I realize that the people in charge are doing everything in their power to insure everything stays crooked.
Is there anything we can DO about any of this?
Posted by: Julie on March 15, 2005 09:13 PMBased on "preliminary data" from the Grant County elections Department, 30-40% of illegal aliens are registered and voting; with another 30-40% registered and AFRAID to vote, nevertheless registered.
Anyone who wants a copy of an excel spreadsheet of the detailed information can obtain one from me if they write me.
Registering alone is a serious fine and jail time; registering and voting is added jail time and fine. These illegal aliens cannot afford it, and neither can we. No doubt, they are most likely to play "ignorant" and will merely say they were asked if the wanted to register, so Ithey did. They will claim their English is not good enough for them to understand.
If they got a driver's license, their English has to be good enough to know what it means to BE or NOT to BE a US Citizens.
Randomly picking 62 names from the DOL List who reside in Grant County, WA, with either a Hispanic, Russian, or Foreign sounding last name, the Grant County Elections Department was asked to identify the following, and see their response:
1. Are they registered voters in Grant County;
elections@co.grant.wa.us: SEE LIST
2. Do you have a completed registration signed by the individual attesting they are a U.S. Citizen;
elections@co.grant.wa.us: YES
3. Does Grant County ask the individual if they are a US Citizens and/or does the county require proof of US Citizenship when the individual registers to vote;
elections@co.grant.wa.us: NOT AT THAT TIME- WE TELL THEM TO READ
THE OATH ATTESTING TO THAT FACT
4. Did these individuals vote in the 2004 Primary and the 2004 General Elections.
elections@co.grant.wa.us: SEE LIST
From 62: 51 were registered to vote. Though 51 were registered to vote, only 23 of the 62 had voted, some going back 11 years. 28 of 62 were registered but had NEVER voted or were inactive voters.
The 23 who were are registered and had voted represent a 37% of the random sample of 62.
We will have to determine how many of these people who registered are U.S.
Citizens, and who are illegal Aliens. After we determine that, we'll have to get this information for the other 38 other counties and see how those numbers play. Whichever way you cut it, there is no way we can ever be assured of honest elections, devoid of illegal aliens voting, without a 100% re-registration of all voters in this state.
This is "preliminary data" and we are working on getting the rest for Grant County, and plan
to prioritize getting this data for the other 38 counties, specially Eastern WA where a high
concentration of illegal aliens are known to reside.
If the 37% holds true for all 39 WA counties, based on INS figures of 136,000 to 235,000 illegal aliens in our state, we had between 50,230 and 87,000 illegal aliens Registered to vote and voting in our September 2004 Primary and November 2004 General Election.
Would identifying a large number of illegal alien or non-citizen voters be enough to finally bring in the Feds?? (I mean the 'REAL' Feds...not the wimpy INS creatures we have in this state...)
This State and all of it's County election officials have pled more 'ignorance' in the past few months than a dog trying to do my taxes! At what point - do the pleas get silenced?
*We have seen felons excused by county council members for voting!
*We have seen election Poll Supervisors excused for stuffing the accuvote machines with unverified provisional ballots.!
*We have seen County administration officials excuse people for using Private mailboxes and county office buildings as their residence addresses when registering to vote!..
* We have seen the state excuse non-resident's voting in our state when they are residents voting in other states.!
*We have seen County and State election officials excuse and sympathize with people who cast vote's in the name of dead people.
How can we thwart the anticipated 'excuse' by the INS, SOS, KC and other county election officials - that these non-resident and illegal alien voters just didn't know what they were doing?
We need to break through this wall of excuses and take legal action regardless of the claims of ignorance to the rules and to the law!
A. Without a doubt.
Q. This State and all of it's County election officials have pled more 'ignorance' in the past few months than a dog trying to do my taxes! At what point - do the pleas get silenced?
A. Now. Enuff is enuff. Bring in the Feds. The Shark will watch the Feds like a hawk. J
Q. *We have seen felons excused by county council members for voting!
A. Recall all of them, and if not, elect someone else to replace them.
Q. *We have seen election Poll Supervisors excused for stuffing the accuvote machines with unverified provisional ballots.!
A. Stuff them. Retire them. Firget them.
Q. *We have seen County administration officials excuse people for using Private mailboxes and county office buildings as their residence addresses when registering to vote!.
A. Prosecute them all. We got laws to prosecute them. We don’t need new laws. Enforce the ones we got.
Q. * We have seen the state excuse non-resident's voting in our state when they are residents voting in other states.!
A. 100% re-registration of all who are US citizens.
Q. *We have seen County and State election officials excuse and sympathize with people who cast vote's in the name of dead people.
A. Honor our dead, not politicians who honor fraud.
Q. How can we thwart the anticipated 'excuse' by the INS, SOS, KC and other county election officials - that these non-resident and illegal alien voters just didn't know what they were doing?
A. Simple: arm ourselves with KNOWLEDGE, The Truth, KTTH, Mike Siegel.
Q. We need to break through this wall of excuses and take legal action regardless of the claims of ignorance to the rules and to the law!
A. We are the people. We have the power. Let us act accordingly.
So.....Where are they in this mess??
www.fbi.gov/publications/strategicplan/stategicplantext.htm
IIE.2 Reduce public corruption in the country’s federal, state, and local governments and judicial systems to increase public confidence in our nation’s government institutions.
Rapid, fair, and accurate investigation of corruption allegations against federal, state, and local officials will remain an FBI imperative. This is critical because of the sensitive nature of accusations against public officials, coupled with the tremendous loss of public funds and confidence when corruption occurs.
Priority Actions
Deter corruption by aggressively pursuing high-level corruption.
Strengthen partnerships with watchdog groups, the American Bar Association, ethics committees, the Federal Election Commission, and other stakeholders to identify public corruption issues and trends.
Create and enhance media awareness campaigns to increase public support of anti-corruption initiatives and maintain confidence in government institutions.
Expand the scope and breadth of human source reporting on corruption matters.
Expand the public corruption intelligence base.
Posted by: Deborah on March 16, 2005 12:14 AMLet's not overreach in our righteous indignation - we have enough evidence on our side without misstating our case. I don't recall seeing any evidence that WA voters identified as living out-of-state were dual-registered...did I miss something? Or are we just speculating that they may be dual-registered?
While having a Spanish or Russian name in Benton County might indicate somebody is an immigrant, it is by no means evidence of electoral fraud.
Only real evidence will be acceptable in Wenatchee.
Posted by: DeadWood on March 16, 2005 07:03 AMResponse: Indeed. As I said, my discovery is "preliminary" yet I feel it is accurate. We are working on expanding on the "preliminary" to be more definitive. Definitive is only a matter of time. Working on it. :-)
Posted by: martin ringhofer on March 16, 2005 07:12 AMOur "conservative" brethren are actully proposing we investigate anyone in certain counties: "with either a Hispanic, Russian, or Foreign sounding last name".
And when called on this by peers, the response is: "my discovery is "preliminary" yet I feel it is accurate."
Between the DeadMan getting his "rifles at the ready" and Martin wanting to investigate anyone with a foreign sounding name, this is getting scary.
Listen to yourselves. Your starting to sound like a bunch of libs writing a parody of right wing wackos.
Posted by: Unkl Witz on March 16, 2005 07:40 AMAmazing, the republican party has bottled up a bill to move the primary to August, which would give more time to mail out ballots to troops. The primary election bill is seperate from other campaign bills, so you can't argue that they are making a stand on some other issue. Since I have learned carefully from the logic of members of this board, it is obvious:
REPUBLICANS HATE ELECTION REFORM MORE THAN THEY LOVE OUR TROOPS
Posted by: JDB on March 16, 2005 08:50 AMThanks Kirk, onward...
Posted by: Son of Liberty on March 16, 2005 09:57 AMLook again at what they are saying. They're suggesting we get our guns out and start investigating people based on the spelling of their last names. That's not hysteria, that's insanity, and a very dangerous form of it...
I agree that our government hides a lot from us. And I strongly suspect one of main reasons is to cover up either gross incompetence or unpopular agendas. But we need to ask these questions at all levels; county, state and federal. And we need to effect change through our democratic process, not a witch hunt or armed rebellion.
Posted by: Unkl Witz on March 16, 2005 10:13 AMMaking claims about non-citizen voting on the grounds that people have foreign last names is just plain stupid.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on March 16, 2005 10:16 AMWell here you go you Demcrat thugs, here is your instance of fraud. Fraud fraud fraud.
Posted by: VRWC on March 16, 2005 10:31 AMI don't have any problem with what he said, right up until he started talking about the democratic process.
What democratic process? THAT'S what we are talking about right blessed now, and it's clear that it's been corrupted, twisted, and torn to the point that it is no longer viable. What, vote? Oh, that's rich! Get a politician to do something? Who? Kohl-Welles, Sims, Gregoire? Fat chance!
It's becoming clear that the change that's needed is going to come from feds, armed with search warrants, handcuffs, and indictments. Put King County in receivership to the Feds and let's get things cleaned up. NOW!
Posted by: Patches Pal on March 16, 2005 11:43 AMI agree that we should place a full page ad listing all evidence of error, indifference, ignorance, and possible fraud in the November 2004 election in our state.
I agree with Martin that first investigating those with foreign last names is an excellent place to start with regard to votes by non-citizens...(Let's drop the 'PeeCee' crap here...wasting time looking up the *Jones* and *Johnsons* would be an exercise in futility..)
To answer Patrick : My statement regarding non-residents voting after establishing residency in other states was speculation based on Stefan's case against the Georgia biochemist - and the found absentee/provisional ballots sent to Alaska during the election and those who claim dual residency either by second homes in warmer climate states or college dorms in other states.....Sorry!
Posted by: Deborah on March 16, 2005 02:09 PMSo it sounds like you really are serious about looking at all the "foreign sounding" last names for possible illegal voters. But those with "American" names like Jones or Johnson get a pass.
Momma Mia, you are as crazy as I feared.....
Posted by: Unkl Witz on March 16, 2005 03:47 PMYou have now crossed the line in troll-dom....
Calling posters names and this blog a ship of fools? Have we touched a nerve?
Just go away....quickly and quietly......and take your lack of wisdom and political correctness with you.....
Posted by: Deborah on March 16, 2005 04:11 PM
VRWC:
This is an illegal vote. This is not fraud. If you can show that someone used him to cast a vote for Rossi/Gregoire, then you would have fraud. Get enough of votes that you can prove were fraudulently cast for Gregoire, and you would actually have a case. But, for now, you have an imporoper vote, and a witch hunt for anyone without an anglo-saxon name.
Posted by: JDB on March 16, 2005 04:12 PM
Do provide us with a complete report.
Posted by: Unkl Witz on March 16, 2005 04:26 PMWhat would you call it if we had started with Smith, Powell, Taylor, McClain, Roberts, and such?
Posted by: martin ringhofer on March 16, 2005 07:03 PM