March 28, 2005
F-word

In spite of all the troubling irregularities that keep surfacing about King County's handling of the November election, I've been reluctant to allege that county officials committed fraud. Certainly I've never seen evidence of, say, actual ballot stuffing. But in recent weeks with King County's release of various "reconciliation" reports, it's increasingly clear to me that the county canvassing board certified the election on the basis of bogus numbers that don't even come close to reconciling. The numbers in the reports are wildly and inexplicably inconsistent with various other numbers and documents that the county produced. It's obvious that there were enough unexplained irregularities in the actual numbers to cast unassailable doubt on the outcome, which should not have been certified on the basis of such numbers.

Was actual fraud involved in the preparation of the fictional reconciliation reports to the canvassing board? If it wasn't fraud, it was jaw-dropping incompetence. The fact that the canvassing board relied on these bogus numbers to certify the election does incalculable damage to the integrity of, and public confidence in our elections system. An investigation needs to be held to determine whether there was outright fraud or mere incompetence. Either way, whoever is responsible needs to be held accountable.

Take a careful look at the Provisional Ballot Report as presented to the canvassing board and compare it with January's Revised Report. I mentioned these reports on Friday, but it was only clear after a double-take and further research just how bogus these numbers really were --

The unexplained increase of hundreds of provisional ballots in time for the corrected report is remarkable enough. It's worth a second look at Friday's table for yet another reason:

  November January
Total Provisional
Ballots Issued [Processed]
 
31,545
 
32,996
Total valid for tallying
27,641
 
28,010
 
Total invalid
1.791
 
4,432
 
From other counties
1,236
 
 
 
To other counties
877
 
554
 
Valid Ballots
 
27,641
 
28,010
 
 
 
 
 
Invalid Ballots
 
1,791
 
4,432
Canceled
605
 
622
 
Not registered
771
 
3,013
 
Signature match
415
 
307
 
Absentee Ballot Returned
 
 
282
 
Need Further Research
 
 
208
 
These reports should read like a P&L statement, where ballots are like dollars. Ballots that come into the counting house take the place of income, ballots that are counted take the place of expenses. A competent auditor of ballots would set up income and expense accounts to show where ballots came from and what their disposition was.

Note how the November report adds together the following categories of ballots: "Total valid for tallying", "Total invalid" and "To other counties". Those are all the equivalent of "expense" accounts. Fine. But along with these the report also adds "From other counties". That is the equivalant of an "income" account. Every provisional ballot that came from another county would also have to be disposed of in one of the "expense" categories: Valid or Invalid. Thus, the report double-counts the ballots from other counties. The top line number of 31,545 is completely meaningless.

If we subtract from the top-line the number of ballots that came in from other counties, we would infer that 30,309 provisional ballots were issued in King County. But is this the right number? Almost certainly not. The "Binder" "Poll Ballot Reconciliation Summary" document reports the number of provisional ballots issued for every precinct. It doesn't report the total, but I went through the document over the weekend and came up with a total of 31,765 provisional ballots (I updated my Binder Analysis Excel file accordingly). But even this number is suspect. For example, it shows that the number of provisional ballots issued at the Rainer Free Methodist Church was "1". Not so. This is one of the polling places I studied carefully. The poll book ballot accountability worksheet shows that 14 provisionals were issued. The provisional signatures pages of the poll book corroborate this and many of the voters who signed in were credited. But if the reconciliation reports don't match the Binder, which doesn't match the poll books, on what basis were any of the canvassing board's Summary Reports even created?

Clearly, whichever of Dean Logan's employees created the November reconciliation report EITHER had no idea what they were doing OR they were deliberately trying to pull a snow job on the canvassing board. The canvassing board, for its part, went ahead and certified the election without bothering to do even minimal due diligence on the staff reports they were handed.

If the staff and the canvassing board had done a proper reconciliation of the numbers, they would have seen that hundreds of ballots were unaccounted for -- hundreds of provisional ballots that went through the AccuVote without verification, hundreds of absentee voters who cast regular ballots in violation of state law. On the absentee side, hundreds more ballots were counted than were validated. In the recounts, duplicate ballots were repoortedly double-counted.

Had staff and the canvassing board done their duty to reconcile the numbers before certification, these issues could have been investigated and corrected in a timely fashion. A proper accounting of ballots (including the setting aside of illegitimate ballots) would have given the public confidence in both the outcome of the specific race and in the process overall. Instead, the public's confidence in our elections system has been severely undermined.

The first step to restoring integrity and public confidence is to do a thorough investigation of the bogus reconciliation numbers: how they were created, by whom, and were these false numbers the result of fraud? And why didn't the canvassing board effectively challenge the reports at the appropriate time? Those found responsible need to be held accountable. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 28, 2005 12:05 PM | Email This

Comments
1. Shark:

I looked at the table the first time you posted it, and quickly threw up my hands. It's interesting that if you sum the 31765 provisionals you tallied with the 1236 provisionals from other counties, you get 33001, very close to the 32996 shown. The only problem is that I didn't subtract the 877 ( and maybe 554) ballots sent to other counties.

Once again I have thrown up my hands in disgust.

Posted by: MIMike on March 28, 2005 12:20 PM
2. The results were NEVER SWORN TO -- so who ya gonna sent to the clink?

Posted by: Lew on March 28, 2005 12:27 PM
3. The sort of obfuscation of the data that King County Elections is engaging in would make any former Enron accountant proud.

It appears that they are purposely presenting data in different formats so as to confuse those who look at it. On one report a "final" count is calculated total different from the "final" count on another report, so there is no way to do an apples-to-apples comparison of the data.

There needs to be a formal investigation, but by whom? How do we as citizens demand that this be looked in to? Do we call the State AG's office?

Posted by: Jason on March 28, 2005 12:30 PM
4. Lew:

If you check the tape of the last canvassing board meeting, at the end of the meeting, Dean Logan pulled out a document and said it was the final certification form. He stated that the canvassing board declared and swore that the numbers were true and accurate. I suspect that that counts for perjury.

As a matter of fact, I thought at that time that the canvassing board was in trouble, and almost called Norm Maleng to find out what the penalty was for a public employee filing a sworn document that he knew to be false.

That is still a good questioh.

Posted by: MIMike on March 28, 2005 12:33 PM
5. Doesn't this just shed to light how inaccurate hand recounts are? There's far too much human error in hand counting than machine counting.

If that weren't the case, bar codes as we use them today, both in retail pricing and automated inventory management (manufacturing) wouldn't use this technology.

Go figure...

Posted by: Brent on March 28, 2005 12:36 PM
6. "I've been reluctant to allege that county officials committed fraud."

You're doing them a disservice. Credit where credit is due.

Posted by: Ken Muller on March 28, 2005 01:05 PM
7. Fraud!? Mistakes!? I am shocked! You mean Gregoire wasn't right when she said that ""The Most Accurate Election in State History" This wasn't a "model election"

Man...next thing we'll find out is that she really isn't our Governor....doh!

Posted by: flexnfx on March 28, 2005 01:33 PM
8. I have read some quotes in which people say that Gregoire is basically and honorable person and she is caught in this web of King County incompetence just like Rossi.

But, if she were such an honorable person, she wouldn't put her own quest for power above an honest and accurate election. She would step down and call for a new election.

She doesn't do that. In fact, she tries to ignore the fact that there is more than enough proof to demonstrate that she did not win the election, hoping that it will go away.

In reality, she is not honorable and not a person of integrity. That's not surprising, given that her supporters are not people of itegrity either, and actually appreciate how dishonorable she is. These supporters have for years been making up numbers, so they applaud the fact that GreGore was elected based on made up numbers too.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on March 28, 2005 01:33 PM
9. fraud, Fraud, FRaud, FRAud, FRAUd, FRAUD, FRAUD!

. . .there, I said it. It's not that hard really.

Posted by: KM on March 28, 2005 01:43 PM
10. "Gregoire is basically and honorable person and she is caught in this web of King County incompetence just like Rossi."
-DeadManVoting (aka Iguana)

I just spoke with a state employee yesterday who stated that she works with a secretary that worked in the AG office under Gregoire and told her that "the rumors are true...Gregoire is underhanded, a blame shifter, and perhaps one the most unpleasent people she has ever met. She basically wants her (Gregoire's) own way"

I was once nearly hit by the speeding car of (then AG) Gregoire in a State Parking garage and instead of an apology, Gregoire slammed on her brakes and gave me a VERY dirty look...

Another person that I know once politely tried to dialogue with Gregoire in a mall when she pushed him aside and walked off....

Now consider her antics during her pre-appointment and so-called Governorship....I think what we see is what we get...she is a sad shell of an individual.

Posted by: flexnfx on March 28, 2005 01:49 PM
11. Stephen -- again excellent work.

What this says to me (again) is that our current Canvas Board system does not work. Because most members do not want to be on the board they put very little time into investigating or questioning what is put before them. Also, what other "oversite" board has as its chairman the head of the department they are overseeing???

King County's canvasing board (Like all the others around the state) is simply a rubber stamp for whatever the Election's Department (or Auditor's Department) wants it to be.

It is time to get rid of this system and have the Democrats appoint one member and the Republicans apoint one member. Then they agree on on the third member who is the chair. These people would become knowledgeable on election processes and reports and thus could ask the tough questions needed to be asked before they certify.

This would remove the current system of having relunctant part-time members and more importantly remove the Election Department Director from the Board.

What we have now is a joke and leads to the problems Stephen has uncovered.

Posted by: JIM on March 28, 2005 02:07 PM
12. Stefan: Looking at the Adobe file, I thought 120 - 14 is 106, not 104. Yet they wrote 104 in the C column. But then I went to high school on the east coast when reading writing and 'rithmetic meant something. Then if they had 7 spoiled in the hand written section and then in the typed section 5 spoiled, how did those 2 magically become improved? Where did those other subtrahends appear from in the bottom of the typed sheet? Could they have been Dino votes in a very heavy Demo stronghold and they just had to be spoiled.


'NUFF SAID!!!

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on March 28, 2005 02:40 PM
13. Ah, good. Shark is back to beating that dead, dead horse. Keep flogging it, Shark, maybe it'll get back up, about the same time Terri Schiavo gets up out of bed and dances a jig for her extremist family.

Posted by: name on March 28, 2005 03:11 PM
14. Name - all we want is democracy with transparency. Shark is providing us the transparency and hopefully the courts will restore democracy. The Schiavo case is highly irrelevant, but then again what better way to avoid the truth than to change the subject..

Posted by: colin on March 28, 2005 03:24 PM
15. Name, ALL elections that are controlled by Democrat cities are crooked and fixed. King County is different that NYC, Chicago, Philly, and Milwaukee in that we can discuss the election without the "racism" charge. Bottom line: Democrats: Voter felons

Posted by: JCH on March 28, 2005 03:26 PM
16. comparing list one against January, I find that there are some brain swelling inconsistencies as well there is an increase 0f 1451 total votes cast. with....
2641 more invalid votes
1190 less valid votes
17 more cancelled votes
2242 more non registered votes
108 less signature matched votes
282 more absentee already turned in ( this wasn't included in the first sheet
208 that needed research ( Saved to add to 129 if needed no doubt)
I dare say it boggles the mind to see a 1461 vote diffential have 6000 votes move from calumn A to B to C and so on.
Doesn't anyone in King County have a lick of sense when it comes to cooking the books?

Posted by: Jim L on March 28, 2005 03:28 PM
17.
I've been reluctant to allege that county officials committed fraud."

Of course there was fraud by one or more county officials. There had to be. The question is the extent to which the county elections office as a whole went into the tank to steal the election.

Posted by: jay bird on March 28, 2005 03:39 PM
18. I wonder which category in the revised provisional ballot report is supposed to contain the hundreds of provisional ballots that were unlawfully put into the ballot boxes through the Accuvote machines.

They cannot be too precise in their numbers or their arithmetic (assuming for the sake of discussion that anyone in the King County elections office can do arithmetic) without revealing how many provisional ballots were unlawfully included in the vote tabulation.

Had they wanted to be candid, they would have stated the number of provisional ballots issued and the number cast properly in signed envelopes. That would have provided a readily available set of data from which anyone could figure out the number of ballots that went somewhere other than into signed envelopes.

Then they would have accounted for those which had been properly cast in signed envelopes. (And, of course, they would have also included the ballots received from other counties in their audit trail for properly cast provisional ballots.)

Isn't there a federal law which requires them to have a system to account for each provisional ballot that comes into their possession and tell each voter what was done with the voter's provisional ballot?

For the provisional ballots which weren't lawfully cast, their own so-called reconciliation process used them as the basis for adjusting the numbers to make it appear that there was no significant problem of extra ballots in the boxes. Including on their provisional ballot summary the total number they used for those adjustments would have been the right thing to do. (I suppose that's why it has not yet been done.)

Posted by: Micajah on March 28, 2005 03:50 PM
19. flexnfx - none of that surprises me. We are seeing the real GreGore shine through with this stolen election.

She is one of these people that believes she is on a feminist mission and that any carnage she leaves in her path is justifiable because her "mission" is so important.

Unfortunately, her mission is misguided and the families of Washington are the people that suffer.

All that is left for us to do at this point is peaceful resistance. For example, if you can buy anything you need out of state, do it!

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on March 28, 2005 03:55 PM
20. Sent a copy of your recap to JWilson@EAC.GOV.

Might help if others emailed this person to request Federal intervention.

Fraud: the crime of obtaining money or some other benefit by deliberate deception.

It wasn't accidental!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Norm on March 28, 2005 04:38 PM
21. I believe the comment that George Will made about the Clinton administration applies to the King County canvassing board. Namely that they are content to be cleared of corruption by being convicted of incompetence.

Posted by: John Thorne on March 28, 2005 05:08 PM
22. It's becoming more and more obvious that there was fraud in the KC elections, albeit on a fairly low level as compared to East Coast and Midwest machine-controlled cities. The Canvassing Board is a sham & needs wholesale housecleaning. This election should never have been certified in its current state and Sims, Logan, et al should all be held accountable. Those who are appointed should be fired forthwith. Sims needs his feet held to the fire until he makes changes to increase competence and accountability.

Will it happen? Probably not until there is another election where they know they will be on the spot from the git-go.

I hope that Rossi's legal team has access to the Shark's spreadsheets and discussions.

Posted by: Clean House on March 28, 2005 06:06 PM
23. What is it about it that makes the obvious so elusive?

Whether or not you personally stuffed the ballot box or you simply made it easy to cast illegal votes (and then made it known to those with a proclivity to do so and had a concerted effort to register those with a questionable background) you are guilty of FRAUD.

What we are witnessing is the end result of years and years of a totally corrupt Machine that has gotten away with so much, for so long, that they allowed arrogance to overcome prudence. The veil if ‘plausible deniability’ their operatives have been maintaining and hiding behind has such gaping holes in it that it is not going to shield them this time.

Thank God that the State Republican Party is standing firm and are doing it in a smart way. It was only a matter of time that they were going to get so bold that they left themselves totally exposed at a time that the Republicans in this State had had enough.

Posted by: JDH on March 28, 2005 06:18 PM
24. name

I would love to see Terri Schiavo jump up and dance a jig around her bed, unfortunately, they would strap her back down to the bed and gag her too! She was sentenced to death a long time ago, by a corrupt judge who accepted campaign contributions from Michael Schiavo's attorney.

Posted by: sgmmac on March 28, 2005 06:53 PM
25. Now that I am done being offended by name's remarks about a helpless disabled woman....

The nonsense from King County just keeps getting worse and worse. It is disgusting that no-one in the MSM is reporting anything. The polls still show that Gregoire will lose in a landslide to Rossi if there was a new election. The only problem with that is who is going to supervise King County????

If the court case is won and a new election is held, will they do the same thing? I think so, Sims has to go first!

Can someone please post the links for us to contribute to Irons is it? I am not from King County, but he might need some cash.

Thanks

Posted by: sgmmac on March 28, 2005 07:00 PM
26. The Schiavo case DOES have some bearing on this case in that the liberals will be quite effectively backed by the radical judges and THEY will hold the key to the revote. Do not be deceived. The machinery is in place and if not for this site the fight would have ended long ago, trust me. Even with all the clear evidence that something very wrong happened in this election, the battle is still going to be an uphill one.

The insensitive remarks by one of the folks from the culture of death are commonplace as the secular view this in terms of a "victory" over those of moral and Christian fiber. Terri is nothing but their tool in this morbid affair. She is being done to what dogs can not be in Florida without arrest. The "hubby" had the cash to out lawyer them that is all and that is why she will die.

Watch out for the same in this case.

Posted by: niceville on March 28, 2005 07:15 PM
27. Hey name, I've got a few extremist friends that'd like to chat with you about jig dancing. Be a man and pull the curtain back. I'll come see you.

Danny Park

Posted by: dkpcowboy on March 28, 2005 07:24 PM
28. Presumably the November 2004 provisional ballot report was submitted to the canvassing board for the initial certification on November 17, 2004.

Why did the number rejected for "signature match" go down from 415 to 307 between the two reports?

I would note, that between the November 17, 2004 initial count and the November 24, 2004 recount, that a net total of 336 new ballots appeared -- 198 absentee ballots, 33 poll ballots, and 105 provisional ballots.

I always thought this was really suspicious -- to have a 0.3% increase in provisional ballots, while absentees only went up 0.03% and poll ballots by 0.01%. Now I think I see the reason.

The Democrats must have been able to sneak in 105 to 108 "Paul Berendt" provisional voter signature affidavits after original certification.

This would explain why the number of provisional ballots counted went up by 105 from 11/17/2004 to 11/24/2004 and the number of provisional ballots rejected for signature mismatch went down by 108 after 11/17/2004.

But when the Republicans tried to submit signature affidavits after the supposed 11/17/2004 deadline -- about 95 in King County and about 300 statewide -- these were rejected as being too late!

Posted by: Richard Pope on March 28, 2005 07:25 PM
29. Wouldn't you think that election office employees would be defending their bosses from all of these accusations if this election had been the model that they pretend it to be?
On the other hand keeping a low profile might guarantee continued employment!
It would take more than just a few people to juggle all of the numbers that KC spits out.
Call the next witness!

Posted by: Keith on March 28, 2005 07:39 PM
30. Richard Pope,

Stunning.

I didn't notice that little wrinkle.

They can, of course, claim that a simple, innocent error caused the change.

I wonder if the system they were supposed to maintain to meet the federal requirement that they be able to tell voters the disposition of their provisional ballots happened to include a record of the time when a ballot was rejected -- and then later "un-rejected."

Posted by: Micajah on March 28, 2005 07:39 PM
31. My guess is that "name" goes by the screen name of "chee" on another blog with more of a left leaning tendancy.

Posted by: bf on March 28, 2005 07:40 PM
32. It's becoming more and more obvious that there was fraud in the KC elections, albeit on a fairly low level as compared to East Coast and Midwest machine-controlled cities.

Yes! This was Fraud...- An unsophisticated fraud! But fraud, none the less! That is probably how they've been able to get away with it for so long. When the fraud is chaotic - it's easy to blame it on ignorance and error when caught....(unless they develop a *pattern* in their chaos....which is bound to happen after so many years...)

This is what it means to find a method in their madness.

Posted by: Deborah on March 28, 2005 07:41 PM
33. Then "chee" it is.

Danny

Posted by: dkpcowboy on March 28, 2005 07:46 PM
34. Richard, did you forget that the WA Supreme Court specifically allowed those "Paul Berendt" ballots to be counted after November 17? I grant you it was pretty stupid decision given the way they were collected, but the court did allow it.

Posted by: DeadWood on March 28, 2005 07:47 PM
35. I would be curious to see these numbers from the 2000 election for comparison. It'd be nice to look at the discrepancies of that election (or any other election for that matter) and see what the error is.

Posted by: Eric on March 28, 2005 07:55 PM
36. Deadwood,

If there was a court ruling, I think it wasn't by the WA Supreme Court. I believe that court first ruled on Dec. 14, during the second recount -- on a petition by the Democrats asking that they be allowed to recanvass all previously rejected ballots.

Posted by: Micajah on March 28, 2005 07:58 PM
37. LEW
Throw all of them in the "Clink"
Makes one fondly remember the Kernel when he
would say "Hhooogaaannn!" Ah, the simpler times.

Posted by: mark on March 28, 2005 08:04 PM
38. Deadwood,

There were two WA Supreme Court rulings, neither of which did what you think happened.

The first REJECTED a Democrat lawsuit filed in the WA Supreme Court that sought to force all rejected signatures on absentee and provisional ballots to be re-examined.

The second REJECTED a Republican lawsuit filed in Pierce County Superior Court, which had been appealed from an initial ruling in favor of the GOP. This involved about 700 "Larry Phillips" absentee ballots, where King County Elections hadn't even bothered to check the signature in the first place. These absentee ballots were allowed to be counted -- assuming the signatures matched.

The Democrats never filed a lawsuit to allow them to submit provisional ballot signature affidavits after the 11/17/2004 deadline. Probably because King County Elections accepted them anyway and didn't tell anyone about it.

Posted by: Richard Pope on March 28, 2005 08:04 PM
39. Deadwood,

The affidavits from the Democrats -- trying to get the canvassing board to accept previously rejected provisional ballots -- were submitted prior to Nov. 17.

If I recall correctly, the Dems got a lower court to order release of the records, so they could go looking for some Gregoire voters whose provisional ballots had been rejected for signature mismatches.

It happened before the first certification of election returns. After that, the only court order allowing an addition of ballots was the Supreme Court's ruling that allowed the "Larry Phillips" 566 ballots into the vote count.

Posted by: Micajah on March 28, 2005 08:07 PM
40. King County's handling of the election, the results of the election, and all of the subsequent counts, was not manifest incompetence. If it were mere incompetence then the results would be random and chaotically all over the map. But that's not what we had here. After the initial count was finished, which Rossi won, and the exact margin of Rossi's victory was known, every single step taken after that --every twist and turn-- had the effect of narrowing the margin of Rossi's victory, until the final step, which had the outcome of Gregoire finally coming out on top. This wasn't random. This was systematic theft.

Posted by: jay bird on March 28, 2005 08:40 PM
41. Looking ahead, a way to gauge the trust in the WA State Supreme Court is twofold; 1) by their decision on allowing gay marriage - which is pending (If they overturn existing law and allow it - in spite of a popular vote that would reject it - diminished trust in their judgment) 2) How many judges recuse themselves when the election is thrown out by Judge Bridges ? (if noone recuses, then again trust in their judgment is diminished - in reality 3 or 4 judges should recuse themselves) and that will be an indicator whether a majority of the judges will legislate from the bench and render a political decision or follow the rule of law.

That is my read - regardless of the outcome - the US Attorney needs to investigate King County's election practices - they may already be doing this behind closed doors. Then and only then will trust be restored in the election system, otherwise this county/state is a banana republic.

Posted by: KS on March 28, 2005 08:59 PM
42. Stefan, Richard delivers and interesting analogy on the late arrivals. Does the County have to keep records on ballot arrivals? Or more bluntly said, what is ocunted when? I thought someone mentioned this earlier this month that there is a arrival record on ballots, so that's how they could prove they accepted the military ones.

Also if the Larry Phillips ballots were counted in a certain date, wouldn't there be a record of the numbers before and the numbers after. If there are more then "566" then is this another instance of smelly fish in the foot locker?

Regarding the judges, I wonder if they read this blog too. It seems to me that the best way to prove their mettle (We are not Demo biased) would be to not recuse themselves and uphold the Bridges rejection of NOvember GreGore (I like that name). Then they could say see, reelect us, you can trust us. But I see that decision as why sholud we rock the boat since more than 50% of the people want a revote anyway.

Just some random thoughts.

Nuff SAID!!!

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on March 28, 2005 09:23 PM
43. Richard has identified the problem with the "partisan" election officials that are KC Elections. There's nothing to prevent them from sneaking a few unnacounted for provisionals in right at the certification deadline because the entire process was being handled by Democrats.

This is why we need to fire Logan and overhaul KC elections, there can be no trusting a partisan machine. New people need to be hired, but more importantly procedures need to be put in place that are more like the way things are done in military engineering contracts. At these companies, each engineer works on a small part of the design, but they are never really shown the entire plans. As you go higher up the food chain, you know the entire plan, but you don't have any access to make changes. This kind of arrangement would assure that there was no tampering possible.

As it is, the Democrats knew all along exactly what target number they had to hit in the Manual Recount, so with the margin as close as 129 and hundreds of poorly accounted provisionals, is there any wonder they were able to deliver the result for Gregoire?

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 28, 2005 10:07 PM
44. Don't see any reason to suppress thoughts on the reality of the judiciary here especially those judges that are appointed. I firmly believe that judges have too much power as it is now and there should be a check and balance available and the ability to overturn an activist judge decision by the legislative or executive branch or a vote of the people. If that doesn't occur, the system is vulnerable to corruption and eventual breakdown.

Any officials that are appointed have more temptation to do it their way. Case and point; Dean Logan - even though he is not a judge/ he is able to make judicial like decisions at a lower level. The problem with the judges of WA State Supreme Court not recusing themselves is that even though they are elected, they should have the integrity to recuse if they believe that a close relationship with either of the candidates could get in the way of their decision (i.e. they have a conscience for the people they serve). If this is not an open and shut case, and am not totally convinced that it will be, recusement of judges would also be a sign that they are taking this election contest very seriously - which would be a good thing.


Posted by: KS on March 28, 2005 10:25 PM
45. Puddybud, Jeff B,

The 'ballot scrutiny' might have been decent at that point. But no one has every claimed to have the full voter registration data for Nov 2 - - altering the voter registration AFTER THE FACT of the election is the way to sneak in those provisionals.

"Hey, 1000 provisionals with no signatures, I looked hard... no signatures on file!"

Time passes.

"Hey... um... there's signatures in here now."

Stefan already caught them changing the date of registration where the comment was something completely irreverent.

Posted by: Al on March 28, 2005 10:39 PM
46. I humbly beseech your pardons gentlemen.

Posted by: DeadWood on March 28, 2005 11:34 PM
47. I'm getting tired of all this stuff. I guess you could say I'm worn out and defeated. I know dirty deeds have been done. I know what group and party is responsible. I know the fix. I know where to get the real news on the subject. I know a lot :) My problem is that I also know nothing will be done. People don't care, the press doesn't care, the politicians don't care, the court won't care. Everything will be swept away. We'll have "her" in office and more "elected" ones from her ilk when she goes. It just doesn't seem like there is anything that can be done. They could come out tomorrow and say "Yes, we stole this election. We couldn't stand to lose control to Rossi. We'll do it again next time, too." and the courts and press and everyone else will just say "Well, isn't that interesting" and move on.

Where is the heat? Why are no gallows being built outside their offices?

Posted by: Me on March 29, 2005 07:06 AM
48. Al, I accept your comments as fact, but I hate to say that SUCKS!!! After the fact voter rolls modifications, magical ballots, even more magical provisionals makes you want to puke.

I live in Snohomish County. Every time I travel down 405 or 5, I chuckle when I see that Entering King County sign. Reminds me of Star Trek when they entered the black hole. You enter in and reality changes!!!

'NUFF SAID!!!!

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on March 29, 2005 07:12 AM
49. Can anyone believe the D-Legislature??? It's bad enough that Faux Gov. Gregoire is trying to raise and shift taxes...now the Legislature wants to outdo her....

...Help us ObiRossi...you're our only hope!

Posted by: flexnfx on March 29, 2005 01:44 PM
50. Okay, if things were so bad, why didn't the republican observers notice these errors during the counting and during the certification. That was the best time to press a full court challenge. Why hasn't a reward been posted for proof of fraud? Why isn't someone specifically affected (living and voting inside an affected precinct) seeking criminal or perjury charges against the individuals responsible for the miss count or the wrongful certification? If we can't take the monster down with a magic bullet lets take it down with a million mosquito bites. Has anyone verified these names against those KC says were counted and posted to this site in the SP voter search database? How about verifying those names against the www.fundrace.com site? If we find someone who wasn't counted yet contributed I bet they will be plenty peeved enough to bite back at KC.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on March 30, 2005 01:03 AM
51. Stefan, I lost track at 103000 illegal and irregular votes. What is the count you have so far?

Posted by: Mark Beyer on March 30, 2005 02:14 AM
52. You know what's going on here, don't you? Voter fraud is a reality, and across this country most of the votes that are illegally cast are cast for Democrats. It is Democrats who are driving the demands that non-citizens be allowed to vote in local elections. It is Democrats who are even insisting that illegal aliens be permitted to vote in some areas. It is Democrats who have opposed each and every move, no matter where, to attempt to clean up the election process by making sure that people who vote are actually legally qualified to vote. It is Democrats who want felons to vote! They know that felons will, by and large, vote for Democrats.

I'll say it again. Most illegally cast votes are cast for Democrats. Democrats have been at the forefront of every move to loosen voting restrictions and to counter any attempt to combat voter fraud.

Now .. if you really want to hear Democrats howl ... make it easier for military personnel to vote. Military personnel, you see, usually vote Republican.

Posted by: JCH on March 30, 2005 07:04 AM
53. Dear Mark Beyer
In answer to your question: "Why isn't someone specifically affected (living and voting inside an affected precinct) seeking criminal or perjury charges against the individuals responsible for the miss count or the wrongful certification?" How is this for an answer, smart guy, because the TOTALLY CORRUPT KING/PIERCE/SNOHOMISH County Democrat political machine, which has been running Olympia and this State for decades has appointed the head of damn near every State agency and these Agency heads are nothing other than a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat political machine and will find according to their wishes. If you doubt me just take a look at the findings of the Washington State Patrol’s independent (yea right, independent my ass) enquiry into the Brame case where they could find ‘no criminal wrongdoing.’ How about the DSHS debacle where they could find no criminal wrongdoing among any of those in charge etc. etc. etc. And round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows…. … .. .

Posted by: JDH on March 30, 2005 10:13 AM
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