Less than two months after declaring that King County Elections had "an accuracy that any bank would envy", Ron Sims is trying to deflect calls for a criminal investigation into his accounting-challenged banking empire with an investigation of himself that reports to himself: "Executive Sims names distinguished group to make independent review of county elections operations"
This is a distinguished group of individuals with impeccable credentials and outstanding integrity," said Executive Sims. "They are going to take a hard look at our elections operations and give us a nonpartisan, frank assessment and recommendations for needed changes."The "non-partisan" "independent" review team is led by one Cheryl Scott, a major league bigwig campaign contributor. Oddly enough, Scott has given about 90% of her contributions to Democrats, including Ron Sims and Christine Gregoire. [and I'm sorry, the $378 she spent on a reception for Dino Rossi does not show bipartisanship when you compare it to the $2,700 cash she gave to Christine Gregoire]
The last thing we need is another phoney-baloney self-investigation with the inevitable bill of clean health. It's well past time to bring in the feds.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 11, 2005 03:13 PM | Email ThisFor all I know it was home trained's thumb that was on the scale as the King County elections office tipped the scales in Fraudoire's favor.
Nothing he or his political cronies come up with carries any weight with me.
He's probably already finished the rough draft of the commission's findings.
I said "Perhaps." One can dream...
Letting Ron Sims pick this commission is as sinful as it would have been to allow Nixon to have established the Watergate Commission. This needs to be an independently-appointed group. Ron can't claim independence...not only is he King County Executive, but he has even more of a vested interest because he was a candidate in his party's primary for the office which is still being contested.
Posted by: SnoCo Voter on April 11, 2005 03:40 PMWhat we really need on this commission is a bunch of database programers and people that can add 2+2 and get 4.
Susan Hutchison is a very nice, totally honest person based on my knowledge of her from several years of running with her husband. My son also works in the same office with Charles Simonyi and he has nothing but good things to say about her. She's definitely not a left winger... but probably won't have much pull on the commission either.
Posted by: Tucker on April 11, 2005 03:45 PMIf Sims was really interested in impartiality he would hire and outside agency to conduct the full operation.
I would hope every taxpaying citizen in King County would wonder where their money is going.....
King County regularly uses these "impartial" independent reviews to throw more money at systems that aren't working.
He claimed not one voter has said to him that they want photo ID. You can call Rep Hunt directly at 360 786-7992
You hit the nail on the head. These "names" may be impressive to people who yearn for a big leader to run things, but they generally don't know beans about elections or anything resembling the issuance, receipt, or counting of ballots and votes. (Ask them if "batch processing" rings a bell.)
They wouldn't be likely to notice a deficiency in the operations of Logan's gang if it jumped up and bit them.
Nick Handy and Suzanne Sinclair appear to be the only two who have any knowledge of elections, and I doubt they know much about the actual administration of them. Is Handy one of the SecState people who argued that crediting voters with voting isn't a measure taken to avoid having more ballots than voters? Sinclair may be like Logan -- most of what she knows may not be correct.
Posted by: Micajah on April 11, 2005 04:17 PMZero credibility. (Look! A heavily partisan democrat{see contribution list} says my elections office did nothing wrong!)
Posted by: Michele on April 11, 2005 04:37 PMbut really, this Cheryl woman is in democrat circles up to her eyeballs and is very inappropriate to chair the committee.
Posted by: Michele on April 11, 2005 04:44 PMBoy, that's a relief. I thought it was gonna be partisan.
Blue ribbon commissions are a euphemism for “high profile and ineffective.” Since when do the accused get to nominate their prosecutors? And since when does lookin’ at a problem cure anything? You have a Dem legislature sweeping it under the rug.
And, to add to what Micajah points out, the lag time between appointment and actually producing anything worthwhile...assuming that they actually did want to correct things...would make the 6-month Dem delay look like a sprint.
This is an institutional version of obfuscation and confusion. Who does the commission report to? Anyone see anything about “police powers?” Or the right to subpoena, depose, punish or enforce?
Didn’t think so. Much ado about nothing.
THESE ARE FROM 2003!!!!!
www.metrokc.gov/mkcc/news/2003/0703/JH_electionoversight.htm
July 28, 2003
Council Confirms Appointments to
Citizens; Election Oversight Committee
County Residents to Monitor Elections, Recommend Changes
The first members of the citizens’ panel that will monitor King County’s election process are now on board. The Metropolitan King County Council today confirmed the appointment of twelve members of the King County Citizens’ Elections Oversight Committee.
“Today, we took a symbolic vote; a vote demonstrating our local commitment to the foundation of America's freedom - an elections system that provides a fair and open process for the right to vote,” said Councilmember Jane Hague, the prime sponsor of the ordinance creating the committee. “The research and recommendations made by this committee will go a long way towards restructuring an election system that has suffered a loss of confidence.”
The 13-member panel includes representatives from the Municipal League of King County, the League of Women Voters, the Washington Secretary of State’s office, the major political parties, and a King County school district. Three members of the committee will be citizen representatives who are registered county voters. The committee will monitor the management and operation of the county’s Records, Elections and Licensing Services Division during the 2003 primary and general elections and make recommendations
And this one???
http://www.metrokc.gov/exec/news/2003/0616031.htm
June 16, 2003
Sims proposes election improvements
King County Executive Ron Sims today proposed a series of election improvements aimed at increasing efficiency and effectiveness of the County's election process, its technical infrastructure, information to the public and systems applications.
"The comprehensive projects identified in the election reforms that I am proposing will position King County to meet the election challenges of 2004 and beyond," said Sims. "My goal is to restore the public's confidence with these improvements."
WHO IS HE FOOLING???.......Ron Sims must go - and King County elections must be investigated by the Federal Government!
Suzanne Sinclair was (until January) the Island County Auditor (she ran for congress against Rick Larsen). Island County is a lot smaller than King County (about 74,000 people, 14th largest in Washington), but there have been NO problems with counting votes here. The difference between the first count and the second was +5 for Rossi, no change for the others; the hand count was +7 for Gregoire, +3 for Rossi, and no change for Bennett. (These numbers are a close proportion of the total votes cast in the county.) No extra ballots or missing ballots, and the total difference between the first count and the hand count was .0003977. (Island County's accuracy rate was 99.9996+%, and the accounting was 100% correct.)
Sinclair was the Island County auditor for eight years, and she appears to be on the ball, unlike Dean Logan, who seems to have and endless supply of excuses why the numbers keep changing, five months after the election was held.
Posted by: timekeeper on April 11, 2005 05:11 PMI'm so excited to see what this little effort in futility yields. I'm sure the tour guide at R&E will be Logan!
Posted by: Joe on April 11, 2005 05:12 PM
Check out the date:
July 28, 2003
Council Acts to Upgrade King County Election System
The Metropolitan King County Council today appropriated $1,267,237 toward improving the operation of the county’s Records, Elections and Licensing Services Division.
“Restoring confidence in the election process begins with moving decisively to shore up the current system,” said Councilmember Dow Constantine, chair of the Labor, Operations and Technology Committee. “This short-term fix will allow us to lay the groundwork for the comprehensive overhaul that we believe must take place before the 2004 presidential election cycle begins.”
Following the late mailing of absentee ballots in three elections, the Council’s elections consultant and the Washington Secretary of State made a series of recommendations to upgrade the election process and improve the operation of the division. The majority of funds approved by the Council will be used to strengthen efforts to get absentee ballots out on time for the 2003 primary and general election. At the same time, the Executive and the Council have agreed on initial funding to begin an expedited process to upgrade the voter registration system in preparation for 2004.
“These funds are needed to strengthen the foundation of the current election system,” said Councilmember Larry Phillips. “When the 2003 election cycle is complete, we’ll be able to focus our resources on ensuring that the mistakes of the past are not repeated in a year when we’ll be electing a Governor and a President.”
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Oh yeah Larry!
That 1+ million dollar short term fix...did a lot to restore voter confidence and strengthen that old election foundation in 2003!!! Hah! How much will our confidence cost us this time???
King County is merely trying to recycle past tactics they used to pacify the citizens after the 2002 and 2003 election disasters! You would think someon would upgrade their playbook!
Posted by: Deborah on April 11, 2005 05:21 PM"Sims’ 10-member commission would be chaired by Cheryl Scott, retired president and CEO of Group Health Cooperative.
"It would meet weekly to look at management, operations, staffing and other issues in the running of the county elections office. It would not try to assign blame to individuals."
Handy left his position as Port of Olympia director in a messy, controversial debacle at the end of 2003.
Sam Reed was a friend and gave him the position with the Sec of State's office to be able to add some years to Handy's public retirement package to increase his monthly benefit.
Handy had no previous elections experience.
Great qualifications for a state elections director!
Posted by: Susan B. Anthony on April 11, 2005 05:23 PMwww DOT freerepublic DOT com/focus/f-news/1381560/posts
Posted by: ScottM on April 11, 2005 05:27 PMJudging from the list, I cannot discern a single person who isn't benefitted by the liberals here. All seem to have ties to, or their organizations depend on the good will of a jackass party Governor. This includes Hutchinson, who's organization no doubt is supported by state money and grants. Going beyond that, Island County isn't exactly a bastion of rabid right wing fringe types by far. Handy? Ummmm... Ok, works for a 'Republican' SoS, we are told, but I am not sure Mr. Reed's actually qualifies in anything but name on that.
Not impugning, just questioning whether we have an independent commission or not. While it may be true, as Ron Sims states that he doesn't have influence on them, it's certain to me that GC and PB definitely would be infinitely obliged for a favorable outcome.
Tell you what, let's just put ole Bryan Suits on the panel as some balance. Answers his questions, and gives a better appearance to the panel. Ok, and JP. Let's get JP on this thing. HE wouldn't lie, being a Patches Pal and all. And what's his face from Evening Magazine. He's got a paying gig, and could probably represent some folks well. Might even get a story out on the process. Wouldn't that be nice? Harry Wappler Sr would be a good choice as well, as respected as he is.
And, failing that, hey, the FEDS might want to look at this, agreeing with the others.
This just smacks of a half GM effort on the part of someone being dragged kicking and screaming. Can't think of a single instance where Mr. Sims has done the populace a favor by getting in front of the situation. This doesn't strike me as any more proactive.
(Sorry, Ron, your assurance that every recommendation would be implemented at the end rings a bit hollow at this point.)
Steve
Posted by: Patches Pal on April 11, 2005 05:30 PMLOL.
REVOTE.
Are you sure that this is referring to what's going on in the Washington STATE?
It really seems like it's a commentary on what the Republicans are doing in Washington, DC!!!! by making sure that the House Ethics Committee is stacked with DeLay apologists so they won't get to the bottom of the real abuse and corruption.
Posted by: Nelson on April 11, 2005 05:57 PMSuzanne Sinclair is still the Island County auditor. I remembered voting for her in November against Larsen, but as I thought back, I didn't recall voting for a new auditor, probably because I didn't; she wasn't up for re-election. Sh'e up for re-election this November, along with Gregoire.
Posted by: timekeeper on April 11, 2005 05:58 PMOur favorite ex-AFL-CIO lobbying person, Logan, has quite the credentials, doesn't he? LOVED how the 3.14 dragged out the standard crowd to sing his praises, including the LA County and Yakima County auditors. (Mind you, Logan is an Elections Director, not an auditor. Makes me question the thinking of Yakima County auditor's office)
Interesting read about the guy who doesn't even live in King County.
Posted by: Patches Pal on April 11, 2005 06:11 PMI like em all, they're great. Lets let em all get together to talk about stuff while we move Christine Gregoire out and Dino Rossi in so we can get on with attempting to rebuild a decent state out of the ashes of liberal socialism. Call it something official sounding so these idiots can believe we think that they have us fooled into believing they are doing something.
Maybe the "Sims Commission" or the "Independant Elections Committee". Who cares, give em titles too so they can be sure that they are doing important stuff. Susan Hutchison can be Chair Smiling-Person, and Sims Humble Electoral Puba.
Lets have all of the liberals together in one place to talk about and recommmend nice sounding stuff that we can ignore and help Rossi get on with rebuilding a decent state out of the ashes of liberal socialism. Lets invite Noam Chomsky, John Kerry and the Easter Bunny to talk about nice stuff that we can ignore also.
While they are taking, lets get a Full blown Federal investigation going so that we can get to the real bottom of the fraud and malfeasances of Sims et al and put them away somewhere so that we can get on with attempting to rebuild a decent state out of the ashes of liberal socialism.
Have them take a year or two, so we can put some more conservatives into the State House and Senate, and get on with attempting to rebuild a decent state out of the ashes of liberal socialism.
This reminds me of the 911 commission. All silly sickening farts and no substance--all designed solely to shift blame away from Bill Clinton. Good job for liberals. I say encourage em to go shift blame away from Ron Sims--great idea. Then the committee can call him nice things while he sits behind bars somewhere.
Do you GET THAT Nellie?
NUFF SAID!!!!
Pudster
Posted by: Puddybud on April 11, 2005 06:26 PMI have met her numerous times and spent a couple of days with her when she campaigned at the Skagit County Fair.
Likeable and I do believe honest.
I was happy she was chosen to look into the sham in King County
Jim
The activities in Washington State are a perfect entry for my blog, which features internatonal abuse by diplomates and bad governments.
It is a shame that Washington State has company like that!
http://accountability-international.blogspot.com/
So...are you truly outraged Stefan? Against the principle? Then stand up and express similar disgust with Bush for the Halliburton and Energy Policy decision making!
Posted by: Pierre Drinkwater on April 11, 2005 07:19 PMI begged earlier for a RELEVANT post from you. Let's see if this helps...please detail, in 100 words or less, how KC elections has handled the 2004 election in stellar/excellent fashion.
I am always willing to be persuaded that I'm wrong. Hell, I'm willing to be persuaded that Stefan's wrong. Now, turn your paper over...begin.
Posted by: Danny on April 11, 2005 07:42 PMIf memory serves, the corresponding figure for King County is 1800 votes or so out of 900,000, which corresponds to 1 in 500.
Posted by: Ted Schuerzinger on April 11, 2005 08:03 PMExecutives at Enron were strong Democratic Party supporters. Bush re-appointed Ken Lay to a Texas commission after he was originally appointed by Ann Richards ( a Democrat). The umbrella contract awarded to Halliburton was awarded during (fanfare) the Clinton Administration.
Try to keep up, won't you.
Posted by: MIMike on April 11, 2005 08:11 PMIt would seem, Lucy, that you need a head to appreciate satire.
Posted by: MIMike on April 11, 2005 08:14 PMJimL: I noted that Ms. Sinclair was still the Auditor (in my follow-up), but I still got the year wrong. She is up for re-election as auditor in 1996.
Posted by: timekeeper on April 11, 2005 08:18 PMThe MSM must be proud. The only reason the thief Sims picked this crew is because of pressure from this blog.
Wonder how they (MSM) sleep at night knowing how they have let us down.
I still say , BRING IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
But hey! In the past - the announcement of Blue Ribbon committees - lulled the people back to sleep! .....There wasn't such an intense interest before....There is now....Not going to work this time Mr. Sims!
I love how Sims appointed so many from area Universities to be on this committee! I could be wrong....But aren't some of these appointees the ones who supported that gang of student thugs who threatened military recruiters? And I think one of these committee members supported Ward Churchill's speaking engagement in Washington recently.... And what about the election King from Oregon State! Is he the one who came here with the sale's pitch for an All Mail voting system last month?
Yep! What a non-partisan bunch they are!
Posted by: Deborah on April 11, 2005 09:09 PMIf your point, if YOU TRULY want to make the sandbox rules such that any illegality can be committed because somewhere, someone else may have done something, then FINE! If you want to breed the hate and contempt to the level that others are willing to do the same thing to YOU, then FINE! If you can so easily forgive those things so beneficial to you and your ilk, despite the disenfranchisement of others, be willing to accept the same fate when someone chooses to do it to you.
I personally choose the path of the good citizen, and condemn ALL those who cheapen the liberties and freedom we enjoy.
Having said that, bring in the feds. Determine the illegalities, arrest the conspirators if cause is found, and arrest every single living being that subversively supports and rationalizes conduct unbecoming, should illegality be found. Search the blogs, search the Op Eds, search the highway overpasses, and round up every last subversive supporter of illegal conduct!
:) Ok, I feel better now.
We're tired of these Sim's appointed low-budget Blue Ribbon Committees that solve nothing! (year after year after year.....)
Posted by: Deborah on April 11, 2005 09:38 PMThis is a sham - sorry to those who are on the panel with integrity, but anything short of a Federal investigation will not cut through the veil of corruption that runs deep in the bowels of King County Government. Vote the scam artist out of office and bring in the Feds !!
Posted by: KS on April 11, 2005 10:12 PMI say give Dean Logan and Ron Sims lie detector tests!
Posted by: Larry in Renton on April 11, 2005 10:24 PM
In fact they have remained remarkably silent.
The reason for that is there is no one in there
entire party leadership that has a backbone.
What is it going to take to get these people to
do something?If this doesn't I don't know
what will.
Its just amazing that this whole thing takes
place in there backyard and they remain silent.
Instead they would rather blame republican voters
Saying they have given up.Things have to change and they better do it now.
Your comment,
‘What do you expect from KC. They will do cover there ass all the time. Like all good politicians and GOvernment workers the will coverup the real problems and produce a solution like. All Mail in ballots.’ … ‘Not necessary there are only honest voters.’ … ‘A Democrat could easily with a mail in ballot system vote several hundred times using all those returned ballots from people who no longer live in KC.’
Let’s take things a little further. In an all mail in ballot election how long will it take for counterfeit ballots (like counterfeit money) to start showing up? How long will it take for some entity to do this because ‘the end justifies the means’? In Poll place elections you at least have some control over ballots issued. If you ran an election like a bank, wouldn’t you want to maintain control over your ballots like you would money? Ballot security should include counterfeit security measures on the ballots, observers during the printing (to track the security devices), and accurate accounting of ballots printed and issued to the election department; then subsequently to the individual precincts. This would keep honest voters and honest election officials honest. This may seem a little far fetched to some of you, but is it? Your vote should be worth more than the money we use (not subject to fiat). Our election system needs to be revised from top to bottom.
Phil?
The KC GOP have requested a Federal Investigation into the elections!
That's not exactly being quiet about this fiasco...
Dunn and Hammond have asked for Logan's resignation. Rossi's group is in the middle of his contest - gathering evidence for discovery...
Most of the evidence is coming from King County...Do you think perhaps those Repubs on the KC council are thinking - rather than risk hurting Rossi's case or the upcoming investigation..."Let's be observers for as long as we can...and stay out of the way?" That would be the wise thing to do...
NO ONE is blaming Republican voters for this mess! They voted their hearts out in November! Unfortunately their votes were washed out by King County illegal votes!
Phil?
You loathe Vance...Now you are picking on the KC Republicans? What's up with that?
It struck me that this whole saga reads like a screenplay. It's been so predictable. Sims chooses a "blue ribbon" panel with lots of big and important showy Seattle names, to put us all at ease. Sheesh.
It's just plain ridiculous, it's ridiculous in an over the top way that we often see in movies. Except this is actually real. Does anyone else see the supreme irony here? You can't make this stuff up, this shows just how poorly this has been handled by Sims and KC Elections. I can't believe that these people are our leaders.
I'm looking forward to the house lights coming on soon, this flick needs to end.
Posted by: Jeff B. on April 12, 2005 12:38 AM
Cheryl Scott is part of the feminist mafia, along with GreGore, that runs the Democratic party now. They are on a feminist mission and believe that they need to rule at all costs, including by stealing elections.
It's amazing that Sims would be so stupid that he would not realize that EVERYBODY can see through this silly charade.
Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on April 12, 2005 01:10 AMTo claim the Dems pour more money in is just fallacious. The republicans have raised so much more money than the Reps for so long -- any suggestion otherwise is typical republican revisionist history.
Hey, even the WSJ came out against DeLay. You guys still holding onto to that tired old ("fire the people who found me ethically challenged...hey, free trips, sign me up...don't forget, i hate corruption and free wheeling members of government who take bribes...fire judges that don't agree with me and i'll say they aren't following the will of the people even thosugh 80% of the people agree with them and not me) congressman?
Let not reality, nor fact impede the mighty steamroller of the conservative right..."We are right and we know it and anybody who disagrees will be dealt with" (hey, those are DeLay's sentiments, not mine). Sounds really scary when it's all boiled down, eh?
Now if Stefan came out with headline "DELAY DOESN'T REPRESENT MY VIEWS", I'd be impressed.
Posted by: Pierre Drinkingwater on April 12, 2005 04:15 AMObviously it was not. How can our 12-year AG Chief Law Enforcement Officer make a comment like this that is so far from reality and expect citizens to trust her as Governor.
Voters need to take a hard look at this in the next election.
Vance should also commend Rossi for his patience and perseverence in getting to the truth on what of the most vital components of our system...free and fair elections.
The Dems were willing to turn their backs on a long string of inequities.
Something like this...but careful not to be too shrill (Don't pull a Goldstein!!!!)
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on April 12, 2005 05:51 AMWhatever the others say, I respect your opinion. You rightly point out that DeLay has gone extreme...to the detriment of my republican party and the general will of the people.
Sound Politics is not a mainstream site. It's much more of the extreme view. Please keep that in mind. Most republicans that I know and assoicate with find DeLay's actions repugnant.
This doesn't excuse Sims or defend him. There are wrongs that need to be righted there too -- and this is a cause all republicans are taking up (not just the extreme ones that you refer to). King County Elections has serious problems and the voters will let the elected officials know how strongly they feel at the very next opportunity.
Cheryl Scott isn't doing this out of respect for the system, she's positioning Group Health for the next push in health care reform, which I believe is a democrat talking point.
To claim the Dems pour more money in is just fallacious. The republicans have raised so much more money than the Reps for so long -- any suggestion otherwise is typical republican revisionist history.
In 2004, Dems raised $586M, Repub's raised $657M. But the Dem 527's raised $272M vs Repub's $154M. Which brings the Dem's above the Repub's in the money chase.
Locally, Patty Murray managed to find $11m, while Nethercutt raised $8m.
Are all the rest of your claims as fabricated as this one, Pierre?
Use your Head girl!!!! Don't you ever ponder anything before you post? Only thinking with half your brain again???
Posted by: Chris on April 12, 2005 08:33 AM"King County Elections has serious problems and the voters will let the elected officials know how strongly they feel at the very next opportunity."
I am not sure how many opportunities it takes to get their attention. Even the KC Council can't seem to get their attention..... What do you suggest the voters do?
Build them a Building?
Let them investigate themselves?
Appoint 2 or 3 Blue ribbon Commitee's
Keep repeating over and over ""This election is a model for the rest of the nation and the world at large" or "any bank would be proud of"
What are the voters to do.....This lawsuit is the only "opportunity" that they are likely to listen to. And only under oath we will get our answers.
Posted by: Chris on April 12, 2005 08:46 AMI gotta know, just have to know......
Posted by: Chris on April 12, 2005 08:50 AMNever argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Anyway, I'm outta here- gotta go oppress a few workers who lack free will.
Posted by: bob's yer unlce on April 12, 2005 08:51 AMIsn't the "headless one" the guy who hands out free coupons for a meal at Red Robin to gain the pleasure of cleaning our carpets?
This is a link to his blog: http://tinyurl.com/6j3ap
Read all about him...
Posted by: bob's yer uncle on April 12, 2005 08:55 AMAgain: Do you have a clue as to why this type of business organisation is always termed a, "public" corporation?
Posted by: headless lucy on April 12, 2005 09:07 AMMost of the Dumocrats that I know cheat at Solitare. Cheating is second nature to them so cheating in elections is as natural to them as raising taxes.
In Washinton's case it appears that you are blessed with the intellectuals of the party. Their intellectual gifts are only slighly greater than those of their party's symbol. Failing at covering up fraud is to be expected.
This post is only for the amusement of those who read SP. I am not making any attempt to communicate with Headless. She/He/it is self described as without a brain however unlike the Scarecrow, She/He/it does not seek one.
Posted by: not a Yank on April 12, 2005 09:08 AMI think they share a common viewpoint, that medicine should be paid for by the government.
Posted by: South County on April 12, 2005 09:16 AM?????? Who talks like that? You are one very disturbed girl, you gotta be great in the sack, the crazy ones are.
Posted by: Who's Ya Daddy on April 12, 2005 09:55 AM
I can see how my libertarian philosophy would get under your skin. A coherent, logical, and consistent philosophy of the nature and limits of government (read: "coercion") must be very scary for you, indeed.
Posted by: libertarianobserver on April 12, 2005 10:35 AMSounds reasonable.
Drove by KCHQ today. Didn't see federal agents running around with warrants or process servers. Maybe tomorrow. I'll have my digital camera ready.
Imagine the sight as Ron Sims and Dean Logan, replete in union made orange jumpsuits, chained together, HL/PD/assorted other personalities outside chanting tired old slogans. Some might find that a thing of beauty.
:)
Posted by: Patches Pal on April 12, 2005 11:01 AM I guess I need to be a little clearer
about the King County Gop.Dunn and Hammond
aren't part of the King County Gop leadership.
I have been on the King County Gop for some
time now about a number of things.
I have not heard anything out of michael young
or anyone else in the king county party
leadership.I did not say they were blaming
the voters for this problem.
What I was talking about is this sparks
Idea.The whole premise of this is that
the voters have given up trying because
they dont think we can win in king county
anymore.
Its typical of these people to blame
someone else for there problems,When in
reality they should be looking in the mirror.
As far as Chris Vance is concerned your
right I don't like him.That's because he
doesn't inspire confidence in those around
him.Everything I have said about Chris Vance
I can back up.Infact I will add another tidbit
right now.
To recap I recently discovered that in the
month of January the state Gop spent 750,000
dollars on legal fees.In addition I have just
learned that in the month of feburary they spent
over 500,000 dollars again on legal fees.Not
only did Vance do that he also spent there
75,000 dollar contigency money.
Now I know attorneys aren't cheap but
what is going on here?One thing I have
learned is that Diane Tebelius was paid
legal fees out of all of this.
I don't have a problem with her being
paid for services rendered.Where I do have
a problem is that diane is the Washington State
National committeewoman.That is a pretty clear
conflict of interest. She should not be doing
both.
It gives me no pleasure in bringing any of
this out in the open.But for to long has
Chris Vance gotten away with this kind of
stuff.I for one will not let happen anymore.
OMG! Loose Lucy is on top of a Ponzi scheme!
Which is it Loose?
Metabolife?
Amway?
Tupperware?
Avon?
So, I guess that rules out Avon.
Posted by: Cheryl on April 12, 2005 04:26 PMIt vegemeatavitamins......
Luuuuccccccccyyyy, IIIII'mmmmmmm hhoooommmmeeee!
But, seriously, I never had a teacher who had ever done what I did in the real world, so I think that "real World" experience is sometimes lacking in the classroom. That's what I think I have to offer in the classroom.
It's OK though if you want to call me an idiot. I will do the same to you and no hard feelings, I hope. I just like to present my point-of view in a way that is memorable and vigorous. I don't want or seek your approval. I just want to put my opinions up to scrutiny and see the weaknesses and continuously review them from that perspective. When you get mad and reply in an angry vein, I just find that hilarious.
I am ,as ever, your moral and intellectual superior.
Posted by: headless lucy on April 12, 2005 05:06 PMAnd a hint for the future, when you actually ARE superior to someone else, it's completely unneccessary to continually point it out if it's at all evident.
Evidently it's not.
Posted by: Cheryl on April 12, 2005 05:15 PMLucy's 15 year business career changing lives was AMWAY!
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on April 12, 2005 05:30 PM"I've had 5 businesses in my lifetime and only one succeeded."
You know the old saying - Those who can, do. Those who can't do, teach.
Posted by: Larry on April 12, 2005 06:36 PMTypical lefty whining after they throw their own bombs. Waahh, I am taking my ball and going home.
So predictable, right out of the playbook. Page 55, paragraph 4, subsection IV.
Posted by: blahblahblah on April 12, 2005 07:06 PMAnd those who can’t do either, criticize,
which is Lucy the Man's main job.
Those who think Hillary is against illegal immigration and loves the military are the same ones who believe there was nothing wrong with the 2004 elections in King County. Oh, by the way, she wants felons to be allowed to vote and endorsed the motor voter scam (act) during Slick Willie's first term.
One final thought; Chris Vance may have committed some errors in judgment, but if he stays the course and drives the bus that exposes voter fraud to the light of day, he will have redeemed himself and his hard work (along with Stefan's and others of course) will have paid off. And with the exposure of the elections sham in King County and an overturn of the Governor's election - Ron Sim's days as King County Exec will be numbered - the domino effect at work !
Posted by: KS on April 12, 2005 09:36 PM1. It no longer operates in North America
2. It has created more millionaires in this country second only to Microsoft
3. It is the 32 largest company. It is generally not listed as it is privately held and debt free.
4. It is a strong advocate of free enterprise with a strong moral backbone.
Why these attributes would be the basis of ridicule is beyond me, especially on a conservative site. These seem like they would align well to the beliefs espoused here. Criticizing something without facts is what several people accuse the libs of doing the whole time.
Posted by: Fred on April 13, 2005 08:22 AM Errors in judgement?You've got to be kidding
me.I would call it lack of character.Vance
is not an honest man.people like this should
not lead others.
To say that vance has anything to do with
exposing the vote fraud is absurd.Stefan
and the biaw are the ones that have done
yomans work on this.
I really don't understand the logic of
some of you people.Honor and integrity
should still matter in our leaders.
We don't have that in the state gop
leadership now.