April 14, 2005
To Save Trees, Burn Houses

The feds are investigating whether the Earth Liberation Front, a domestic terrorist group, may be responsible for an attempted arson at a home contruction site and nearby garage yesterday in suburban Sammamish.

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At the scene...a threatening message was found scrawled on a white sheet: "Where Are All The Trees? Burn, Rapist, Burn."...The message was reported by a passer-by about 7:30 a.m. When deputies walked into the home in the 20500 block of Inglewood Hill Road, the natural gas had been turned on and an "incendiary device," apparently designed to light the gas on fire, was found inside, Urquhart said.

Police switched the gas off and the 3,800-square-foot, unfinished home, with a view of Lake Sammamish, was not damaged. No one was injured. A white sheet was draped in the dirt outside, with a message etched in blue spray-paint and signed "ELF." The note suggests the involvement of the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI. The group claimed credit for a string of arsons and attempted fires in Snohomish County subdivisions last April.

Individuals acting in the ELF's name have claimed credit for arson at a Vail, Colorado resort; construction sites and government buildings north of Sacramento, California; an Oregon tree farm and the University of Washington Center for Urban Horticulture (both were developing sinister hybrid poplars); and numerous other locales.

By destroying - or in this most recent case, attempting to destroy - private property to advance a radical political agenda, ELF and like-minded wingnuts reveal the illiberal face of modern liberalism. A continued emphasis on symbolic acts of resistance, whether torching buildings in and around Seattle, or objecting to military recruiters from Seattle's Garfield High School, shows the raging impotence of The Left.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at April 14, 2005 12:45 PM | Email This
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1. "Where are all the trees?"

You just burned them, baby. Do they really think that burning buildings that are made out of WOOD is going to get their point accross? Seems a bit wasteful, since more trees are just going to need to be cut down somewhere else to make up for what is destroyed...

Of course, they are probably off to their local coffee shop to celebrate, not bothering to consider if the coffee beans were grown on land formerly covered by jungle.

Posted by: Amber on April 14, 2005 01:02 PM
2. when they're not smashing things into people's faces, urinating on people coming out of the Republican convention, smashing store windows at the WTO, they're doing this. Pure evil.

The "loving left" ISN'T. Book 'em, Dano!

Posted by: Michele on April 14, 2005 01:08 PM
3. As much as I CANNOT STAND HIGH DENSITY HOUSING and the joke of a yard that you get...this is a bit extreme.

Posted by: flexnfx on April 14, 2005 01:09 PM
4. Whacked-out, illogical, lefty looooonatic Luddites. Every one of 'em. If these bozos are so against all of this technology, let's see 'em live in caves and do without ANY of the benefits of technology. Let's see 'em "wipe their @$$ with a spotted owl"! Let's see just how long they survive.... the problem would take care of itself, wouldn't it!

Eco-freakazoids. Let's find 'em, lock 'em up in a zoo, and throw peanuts at 'em. It's about what they deserve.

{I'm not *too* harsh, am I?}

Igor

Posted by: Igor on April 14, 2005 01:22 PM
5. Stealing property from rural land owners was not enough for liberals, now they want everyone to live in grass huts on a commune. Tent city anyone?

Posted by: Andy_ on April 14, 2005 01:23 PM
6. "Children" raised by liberal "parents."
Keep your garden hose, fire extinguisher, and shotgun handy.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on April 14, 2005 01:33 PM
7. Hey - what is it anyway with this BS -- how many times - have we read that - "the FBI is investigating" one of these bolshevik 'statements' for "alleged" "ties to the ELF" - duh - and double duh -- and never hear any more followup and then 6 mos >> 1 yr later they are burning something else -- with the same big media - BM - coverage - detailling all the previous successsful ELF hits w/o a word of any arrests - like the media is bragging and cheering for them -- I keep hearing something about a certain local federal prosecuter that seems reluctant to do much about anything -- recent calls to a local talk show relative to local fed prosecuter having jurisdiction in the KC election crap said they were repeatedly told that "the FBI was looking in to it" -- and the beat goes on -- I recall about the weekend after Labor Day before the WTO put Seattle on the side of the map where it deserves to be -- there was an extensive article in the Slimes about the protesters training camp out in the boonies - up around Arlington if I recall -- complete with a patrolled (by da terrorrists) perimeter - probably taking time off from their pot plantation patrol duties -- hey this was a good 6 -8 weeks before the WTO -- and of course at that time we had Janet Sterno in between incinerating alive the children of religious zealots and forcibly returning a refugee to Cuber -- nothing was done - why - they were just peaceful protesters - yeh - bullcrap -- the correct term is 'useful idiots' - what can you expect from an area that tolerates a statue of Lenin and the hammering man -- that's right peanut gallery - the hammering man is pure Stalinist/Hiltlerian/socialist crap - ask anyone who is a legit refugee from communism in Eastern Europe or the old USSR -- they will tell you what I am saying is correct - and I would invite any who have such personal knowledge to add to this blog thread -- also - if anyone out there who knows of another statue of Lenin that still exists in the Eastern Europe or old USSR - would you please enlighten us -- ask Pelz if there is one in Cuber

Posted by: Bill on April 14, 2005 02:06 PM
8. It's worse than anyone here indicates. These eco-terrorists are displaying the worst kind of anti-mankind hatred. They are attacking our highest virtues. Our ability to create fantastic shelters for ourselves that protect us from the elements, and provide a happy place for our friends and families.

These people want us all to return to the primitive of living in mud huts and eating nuts and berries so that we can forfeit the earth entirely to plants and non human animals.

These terrorists should be pursued with the same vigor as any other terrorists, and when they are caught, they need to receive the harshest of sentences. The judges who sentence these criminals have a duty to clarify that an outright assault on man's greatest virtue of independent, rational thought which leads to the creation of fine houses and all of the other technology that makes such fine houses possible is wholly unnaceptable to our society and will result in severe punishment.

Frankly, these eco-terrorists should be sentenced to a remote island where they can live out their fantasy of surviving in nature totally independent of the technology that mankind has created to assure its survival. I bet they wouldn't last a month.

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 14, 2005 02:37 PM
9. OK, I have harkened back to this over and over, that much I freely admit, but it is relevant. ARSON is, in the Dems base constituency, a legitimate way to ‘express yourself.’ This resort to lawlessness is always justified as ‘necessary’ and is not limited to groups that most Dems consider ‘fringe.’ How many of you remember the striking Boeing workers who torched another employees home after he crossed the picket line a few years back? This happened in Wilkeson and was traced back to the UNION, what I do remember was that the outcome was that they were held civilly liable and basically got a slap on the hand and were told ‘now you boys be good, and don’t play with matches in the future’ but there was NO FELONY PROSECUTION. ARSON has been considered a FELONY and a SERIOUS ONE in every civilized society. Oh well, round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows.

Posted by: JDH on April 14, 2005 03:08 PM
10. Bill, there have been successful prosecutions of people involved - they aren't always touted as 'ELF'.

I seem to recall a NY subdivision that they caught the guys, and a a couple of Hummer dealership fires that have been caught.

Posted by: Al on April 14, 2005 03:20 PM
11. ARSONISTS, provided they are 'OUR ARSONISTS' are considered untouchables by the Washington/Pierce/King Democrat Political Machine. Just as those who commited asault, vandalism, encitment to riot in casse you forget the WTC RIOTS. Hey guess what, to the hard core Democrat constituencies the guys responsible for trashing Seattle and asaulting people were and still are considered HEROS. In any civilized society they would be FELONS, and round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows.

Posted by: JDH on April 14, 2005 03:29 PM
12. JDL -- thanks for adding another story along the line of my post -- the history of union crap is full of union violance, property destruction, sabatoge, and fire and intimidation tactics - right up to the present -- you can bet there were union hands in most of the vandalism attacks on Rep. Party offices and vehicles last fall --- you relative newcomers to the NW should look up the Centralia Massacre just to get a flavor of the history and depth of the socialist mind rot that has been at work in Western WA for a 100 yrs - oh yeh - socialism and fire >> NAZI ( national SOCIALIST) and Reichstag (sp?) - ring any bells out there - besides fire bells??

Jeff B -- they seem to embrace the technology of the fire starting devices - oh - and the gas -- duh -- hopefully that can be replenished from ANWAR - heh heh heh -- and I bet they didn't trust their getaways to their widdle footsies -- eco freaks are just part of the VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY folks - get with it -- why aren't they rounded up and prosecuted -- must be too many G-D red diaper doper baby's lawyer's kids involved - make no mistake the goal for over a hundred years of these SOB's is to destroy this country and the principles that it was founded on -- and they have plenty of fellow travelers world wide. Check out front page of Thursday's Slimes -- 100 bull sea lions at Bonneville Dam scarfing up limited - ENDANGERED - spring running Chinook salmon - and we have these crap heads that claim we have to tear out dams to save the salmon - NOOO -- shoot the G-D sea lions -- oh no - might solve the problem -- the bureaucrats are gonna scare 'em away -- shades of Hershel -- what a total load of crap - will probably just end up scaring the salmon away from the fish ladder - then we will hear about how the fish ladders are not doing the intended job - what another load

Posted by: Bill on April 14, 2005 04:00 PM
13. Al - the subdivision fires you mention - are those the fairly recent ones?? - if so - I believe that was originally reported as probable eco-freaks but turned out to be something else - can anyone fill in here-- ???

Posted by: Bill on April 14, 2005 04:05 PM
14. Yea Bill,
Union thuggery has friends in high places in this State, they have a lot to lose in having thee 'pretender' hauled out of office. The Governor appoints almost all Agency heads in this State, including the law enforcment arms if I am not mistaken. Having a general house cleaning at the top and installing people who would no longer provide cover is definately not in the interest of the Dominant Political Machine or their associates.

Posted by: JDH on April 14, 2005 04:14 PM
15. It gets worse--the article about this in today's King county Journal mentions that another house on the 20900 block of same street WAS on fire. Two separate incidents within minutes of each other. I'm going to drive by there today and check it out.

Posted by: Michele on April 14, 2005 05:30 PM
16. Igor, Andy, Bill, JDH and Flexnfx, Amber, Michele and the rest; Don't you see how your responses to this ELF arson/vandalism are the same sort of reactionary terrorism?

These Meth'd-out pothead anarchist assholes at ELF are probably young adults who've lost any hope for the future and most discouraged that rightwing ignoramuses, white collar crooks and Jesus freaking hypocrits are hellbent on environmental destruction and racist class warfare. Nothing in your rants allowed any room for their reform, nor any awareness of your own brutal ignorance. Union thuggery, my ass.

Bill, The Hammering Man is an insult to the working class: He's a 2-dimensional, featureless asexual worker (the long neck denotes male or female), in an endless, strenuous, monotonous toil, amidst a leisure class setting, with an artistic sentiment no more refined than a whirlygig; an upper-class joke about the lower-classes. Hammering Man should be moved to Gasworks Park where the context of the 'historic industrial worker' and the playful whilygig arm movement is suitable for that family-oriented venue.

I feel sorry for kids who get into trouble like this. It's a result of poor parenting and economic insecurity. And judging by your blithering responses, they are likely product of more republican parents than from those who vote democrat. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Those kids could be from your own families, rejecting you.

Posted by: Fluke on April 14, 2005 06:35 PM
17. You feel sorry for them? I don't. If they are mobile enough to find their way to places to vandalize they are also old enough to accept responsibility for the disgusting choices they make.

Perhaps you should consider that is exactly what is wrong with the little criminals - parents, teachers and liberals not holding the poor little darlings accountable but instead pitying them and telling them nothing is ever their fault.

Posted by: Cheryl on April 14, 2005 07:25 PM
18. Fluke:

Let me introduce a concept to you - it's called R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y.

Those so-called "Meth'd-out pothead anarchist assholes at ELF" have no sense of responsibility, little or no socal graces, and have been brainwashed to the max. How to go about "rehabilitating them"?? Wake up and smell the coffee, dude, they need to be PUT IN JAIL so that they can think about C-O-N-S-E-Q-U-E-N-C-E-S of their totally inane and dangerous actions. If these criminals are smart enough to construct fuel-air explosive devices, they're smart enough to realise that what they are doing is wrong.

Teach a pig to sing and you waste your time *and* you annoy the pig! Don't bother teaching the pig, my friend. Turn 'em into bacon. Problem solved.

{Gee, ya think I'm too harsh?}

Igor

Posted by: Igor on April 14, 2005 08:13 PM
19. Report from the scene of the crime:

As this house is not that far from where I live, I drove by. This house AND another 1,000 feet up the road were hit. The one 1,000 feet away was hit at about the same time and looks to have had a fire set in the garage, which was almost completely destroyed. Other exterior damage was observed in various places, especially the side of the house next to the garage. It is eery to see it, knowing leftwing terrorists set it and got away with it.

My question is: What are the feds doing to track down and disrupt this terrorist network? They are certainly doing a good job hunting down Islamofascism, but these leftist radicals are not much less callous in their desire to utterly destroy private property to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And btw, there were PLENTY of trees around these homes. FAR MORE than you'd see in a typical city of Seattle neighborhood.

Posted by: Michele on April 14, 2005 09:19 PM
20. Fluke, do not confuse me with anyone who says this is a "Union job". What we are looking at here is a whole other breed of crazies. I wonder why you don't feel sorry for the owners of these homes? The terrorists should be paying for the damage. These are not 'confused' and bored plateau kids. Those kind just go and shoplift at the local Bartell's, which is bad enough.

The creeps who burned that house and tried to burn the other are organized, extremely dangerous, and self-righteous to the point of insanity. Your response to them is very surprising, and sounds like someone whose home was NOT the target of terrorists, as these homeowners were. Feel sorry for them, and hope that the ELF terror network is broken up and destroyed.

Posted by: Michele on April 14, 2005 09:26 PM
21. Fluke - you sound like a front apologist for these green a$$ed SOB's -- you are totally full of crap - your BU11SH1T re the hammering man gives you away totally as a futsed up bolshevik

Posted by: Bill on April 14, 2005 10:19 PM
22. Fluke-

Who will you feel sorry for when they decide that burning uninhabited buildings isn't enough?

Posted by: Amber on April 15, 2005 06:54 AM
23. Fluke,
You and your low life scum associates have only one goal in life and that is to destroy what others have made. That is what 'tent city' is all about, it is not about providing the down ontheir luck anything, it is about destroying a neighborhood that a lot of good hard working families have built. It is that simple.

Posted by: JDH on April 15, 2005 09:03 AM
24. Bill, you said, "Hammering Man is pure Stalinist/Hitlerian Socialist crap". I defy you or any other rightwingers here to explain in what way. I hate the thing. It was certainly installed by Seattle's wealthy, not its working class.

I'm no apologist for ELF. In order to prevent their moronic ideology from spreading, we should better understand how this tiny minority of dropouts, (it's likely they are both leftys and rightys, anarchists oppose government in rightwing fashion), we have to understand what drives them.

Michele, you ASSUME I'm not sorry for the owners of the burned house. Typical. ELF members are most likely ignorant luddites who see industrial society as in its last stages, too destructive and consumptive to continue much longer. Their belief then is not much different than rightwing christian fundamentalist view of a coming Apocalypse.

While you people flippantly blame liberals, these arguments point to republican ideology as the source of ELF ire; and probably where they got their "self-righteousness" as well.

I'll say it again: you people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: Fluke on April 15, 2005 09:29 AM
25. Every Liberal Freak...
There is no understanding the TERRORIST mind, it's simple, those people are sick. Understand this, there is no reasonable excuse to kill and mame innocent people or destroy their property.
The likes of people like Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi, Maria Cantwell, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Howard Dean...(shall I go on) oh and my all time fav. Ward Churchill, only feed the the minds of sick people whith their Hate Speech, lies, intolerance, and drama.
I suppose that there is a little ELF in all 'liberal' democrats, to them reality is always subject to interpretation or influenced by the grade of weed in the pipe.

Posted by: Terry, Clark C on April 15, 2005 10:00 AM
26. The fluke (aptly named, I'm sure) insists that "you people ought to be ashamed of yourselves", and employs (likely the only employment that he is acquainted with ;'} a convoluted circular illogic to bolster his case.

Nutz!

I "feel" no shame; I bear no responsibility. I haven't fostered an environment conducive to any anarchists misconduct.

Somehow in your twisted and sick brain I should be ashamed because I insist that people obey the law?

Nutz!

We're supposed to "feel their pain" and attempt to divine their pathology instead of making them toe the line?

Nutz!

I've read your posts, fluke, and have concluded that you're...

Nutz!

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 15, 2005 10:20 AM
27. The funny thing about this house burning thing is how much they damaged the environment by burning this house down. The smoke and pollutants released by this fire was just a small part of the damage.

The fact that they now have to kill more trees to rebuild the house, the fact that now they have to demolish the house to remove the charred timber which requires additional energy and oil to run the demolition crew. Once the house has been demolished, then that burned charred wood and plastics then will have to be dumped somewhere - landfills maybe - so we're now polluting again with charred wood and plastics and whatnot in landfills. Then the reconstruction begins with additional electricty and oil be used to power the machinery needed to build and of course the additional trees needed to rebuild the house.

SO ELF, what good did this accomplish for the environment?

Posted by: irritated by ELF. on April 15, 2005 10:44 AM
28. Terry Clark, Your thinking is just like the ELF; reactionary, ignorant, hateful, malicious. Your words aggravate the ELF. Thomas Moore said, "by denying people the means to fill their needs, we first make thieves and then punish them". This is too christian a concept for rightwing fundamentalists to understand. Christianity has become a disgraceful cult.

Alphabet stoop, It is your thinking that's twisted and sick: I did not infer that you should be ashamed for insisting ELF obey the law; only that it is a shame that many do not understand how it is ELF turns to law-breaking, thus insuring ELF criminality continues. You're 'shooting yourself in the foot', as they say.

Irritated at ELF best sums the situation: ELF causes more environmental destruction than they claim as their desire to prevent. The ELF have got their thinking all screwed-up. The answer is not simply, "Throw 'em in jail", where they're likely to learn more criminal behavior.

Right wing websites are a sewer of BS.

Posted by: Fluke on April 15, 2005 11:52 AM
29. What you "infer" is irrelevant.

What you "implied" was certainly contextually aimed at conservatives (Unless, of course, that you just type words without knowing or caring what they mean ;'}

That you justify in any way, the actions of these domestic terrorists proves how depraved you are.

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 15, 2005 12:13 PM
30. Reactionary is not it at all, it's more like years of over-looked criminal behavior by liberal bleeding hearts like yourself, which is exactly why there are so many level 3 sex offenders wandering the streets preying on innocent young children when they should be locked up permanantly.

You see you have to have a basic understanding of moral values to be able to even comprehend the fact that there are people in this world who make choices on their own to commit these acts, even when they know it is wrong.

The choices we make and the actions we take have consequences good or bad, but the liberal mind has to justify the worst of the worse by trying to blame society for the actions of crazies like ELF. I for one don't buy it. There is no excuse for what the ELF do OR stand for, there is only one problem, and they are IT.

I never said throw them in jail but, if they try to burn my house down I won't shoot 'myself' in the foot.

Posted by: Terry, Clark c on April 15, 2005 02:15 PM
31. Reactionary is not it at all, it's more like years of over-looked criminal behavior by liberal bleeding hearts like yourself, which is exactly why there are so many level 3 sex offenders wandering the streets preying on innocent young children when they should be locked up permanently.

You see you have to have a basic understanding of moral values to be able to even comprehend the fact that there are people in this world who make choices on their own to commit these acts, even when they know it is wrong.

The choices we make and the actions we take have consequences good or bad, but the liberal mind has to justify the worst of the worse by trying to blame society for the actions of crazies like ELF. I for one don't buy it. There is no excuse for what the ELF does OR stands for, there is only one problem, and they are IT.

I never said throw them in jail but, if they try to burn my house down I won't shoot 'myself' in the foot.

Posted by: Terry Clark C on April 15, 2005 02:22 PM
32. Reactionary is not it at all, it's more like years of over-looked criminal behavior by liberal bleeding hearts like yourself, which is exactly why there are so many level 3 sex offenders wandering the streets preying on innocent young children when they should be locked up permanently.

You see you have to have a basic understanding of moral values to be able to even comprehend the fact that there are people in this world who make choices on their own to commit these acts, even when they know it is wrong.

The choices we make and the actions we take have consequences good or bad, but the liberal mind has to justify the worst of the worse by trying to blame society for the actions of crazies like ELF. I for one don't buy it. There is no excuse for what the ELF does OR stands for, there is only one problem, and they are IT.

I never said throw them in jail but, if they try to burn my house down I won't shoot 'myself' in the foot.

Posted by: Terry Clark C on April 15, 2005 02:28 PM
33. Reactionary is not it at all, it's more like years of over-looked criminal behavior by liberal bleeding hearts like yourself, which is exactly why there are so many level 3 sex offenders wandering the streets preying on innocent young children when they should be locked up permanently.

You see you have to have a basic understanding of moral values to be able to even comprehend the fact that there are people in this world who make choices on their own to commit these acts, even when they know it is wrong.

The choices we make and the actions we take have consequences good or bad, but the liberal mind has to justify the worst of the worse by trying to blame society for the actions of crazies like ELF. I for one don't buy it. There is no excuse for what the ELF does OR stands for, there is only one problem, and they are IT.

I never said throw them in jail but, if they try to burn my house down I won't shoot 'myself' in the foot.

Posted by: Terry Clark C on April 15, 2005 02:43 PM
34. Fluke, as you have declared Christianity a "disgraceful cult", would you care to tell us what your religious affiliation is, if any?

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 04:49 PM
35. Michele, I was raised Catholic and later spent 8 years in a born again 'non-denominational' christian church. I left around the time of the Prosperity Doctrine. The element I found objectionable then would be called Fundamentalism today. I believe Christian Fundamentalism is a cult, a distortion of scriptural doctrine. Fundamentalists confess an absolute certainty that God exists, but this is contrary to the doctrine of Faith. We only have 'evidence' of God's existence, not 'absolute proof'.

I guess Bill can't explain how Hammering Man is Stalinist/Hitlerian socialist crap. Anybody else think Hammering Man would be more suitably installed at Gasworks Park?

Posted by: Fluke on April 15, 2005 05:40 PM
36. The worst newspaper in the known universe, the Seattle Times, naturally referred to those al-Qaeda wannabes, the ELF, as "activists".

Posted by: Bill K. on April 15, 2005 10:23 PM
37. Fluke, I once heard a story about the Milpitas Jr. High (bay area) orchestra trying to play Beethoven's 9th. They didn't play it very well. But the idea behind the story was that you shouldn't judge Beethoven and decide whether or not to keep listening to him based on the way the Milpitas Jr. High orchestra plays his music.

Bill K: Actually, I still think the PI wins the prize for sorriest local daily around here, even IF the Times very regrettably refers to ELF as 'activists'.

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 11:36 PM
38. And Fluke, you're sounding awfully judgmental and angry toward people in this room who've not done things like burn people's property and caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses that just cause the rest of us to pay in increased insurance premiums.

You've had some big hurt in your life; it comes through loud and clear. I know of a guy who was like that and had your same radical leftist political affiliations. You should see him today; a totally different kind of person and not roiling in anger anymore.

Posted by: Michele on April 15, 2005 11:42 PM
39. Fluke
Reactionary is not it at all, I believe that years of over-looked criminal behavior by liberal bleeding hearts like yourself has allowed the freaks to adopt their in your face, i can get away with anything type of attitude, which is exactly why there are so many level 3 sex offenders wandering the streets preying on innocent young children when they should be locked up permanently.

You see you have to have a basic understanding of moral values to be able to even comprehend the fact that there are people in this world who make choices on their own to commit these acts, even when they know it is wrong.

The choices we make and the actions we take have consequences good or bad, but the liberal mind has to justify the worst of the worse by trying to blame society for the actions of crazies like ELF. I for one don't buy it. There is no excuse for what the ELF does OR stands for, there is only one problem, and they are IT.

I never said throw them in jail but, if they try to burn my house down I won't shoot 'myself' in the foot.

Posted by: Terry Clark C on April 16, 2005 11:51 AM
40. Michele, it is you being judgmental; a typical response of those who choose to dismiss contrary viewpoint. Some call it self-righteousness. Your viewpoint is unquestionable, therefore contrary views are judgmental. Jesus was a liberal.

Terry, society does affect our upbringing, our views, our loyalties. Your views are simplistic and probably versions espoused by deceitful liars like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity and the rest. Like Michele, you too would like to see yourself as blameless and righteous, but are similarly, ignorantly judgmental. Hell has a special place for your kind.

Posted by: Fluke on April 16, 2005 01:47 PM
41. Fluke, I hardly see myself as blameless and righteous. There you go, again, throwing anger all around and being mad at people who DON'T terrorize homeowners. Be careful.

Posted by: Michele on April 16, 2005 03:45 PM
42. My words haven't suggested I'm throwing anger all around and being mad, Michele. Your interpretation of my words is simply your own suppressed emotions projected upon them. You're suppressing a feeling of superiority and your words are highly self-righteous and judgmental.

Prayer annoys God; particularly repetitious and insincere kiss-up prayers. If God really loves us, how could God enjoy hearing prayers that are based on doubt and fear? I'm wager when you pray, God puts on an MP3 player and listens to banjo music to tune you out.

Posted by: Fluke on April 16, 2005 06:12 PM
43. Michele,

Please allow me to relate a story to you. Several years ago I was visiting some friends when there arose a commotion out in their back yard.

We went out to investigate and discovered that a squirrel had come onto my friends property. His children, naturally curious, naturally friendly, had approached the seemingly harmless little beastie when it abruptly attacked them.

I tried several times to shoo the critter away, but he focused in on me and started his attack on me.

I retrieved my gun and dispatched him.

Later, after the squirrel had been autopsied, they found that he was quite literally insane. It seems that squirrels, being the rodents that they are, scavenge whatever they can for food, up to and including cat feces. The cat poop that the squirrel ate contained worms that attacked the squirrel's brain, driving it crazy.

You may draw you own conclusion from my little story. As for me - I prefer not to associate with people who eat their own crap!

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 16, 2005 07:57 PM
44. What a crock. The squirrel story sounds, shall we say, quite literally embellished a bit. I wonder what brand of embellishment fluid Alphy is drinking these days. Jesus Juice with a 40-ouncer chaser, very popular with NRA wannabees?

Posted by: Fluke on April 17, 2005 11:09 AM
45. Hey fluke~for~brains, would you care to make a wager?

Say $5000?

Put up or shut up

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 17, 2005 11:27 AM
46. I don't have an extra $5000 to put on a bet, Alphy, but your squirrel story still sounds like a crock. Why don't you 'embellish' it some more? Make it more believable and maybe I'll believe it's more than the rantings of a drunken rightwing wacko.

Posted by: Fluke on April 17, 2005 01:22 PM
47. Figures.

Cowardly POS. You see, conservatives don't need to lie or embellish. We don't need to be afraid of the truth. Sometimes the truth isn't readily apparent, but that is what reflection and introspection is for.

liberals have strayed so far from the truth that even the barest hint makes them pee their pants.

Oh, BTW - check out more of flukie's special type of friends: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1571447_1,00.html

What do you suppose there flukie boy? Maybe they weren't breast-fed by their mommies? Maybe they lost their religion? Do you suppose they think God abandoned them? Maybe they got their start by pulling the wings off of flies. (Oh, sorry, didn't mean to talk about you ;'}

Oh well, doesn't matter. They have their hearts in the right place, right flukie? They'll go out and burn things (belonging to innocent uninvolved parties, no doubt), tear things up, and generally make fools of themselves.

I'm comfortable about my choices flukie, are you?

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 17, 2005 01:58 PM
48. Fluke: It also occurs to me that people who defend radical leftists who set people's homes on fire are in the same category as those who agree with bombing abortion clinics. Are you suggesting that we should try to 'understand' the abortion clinic bombers, too? Or do we immediately recognize that they became so self-righteous that they got way off track and went nuts and deserve to go to jail so they can spend a long time pondering their crimes?

Posted by: Michele on April 17, 2005 04:37 PM
49. Shall we show how brave we are, Alphy? Prove your squirrel story; just a few facts whereby the readers here may not make the obvious deduction that you made it up. Whatsa mattah? You Chicken?

Michele, it's been loads of fun. But please, your logic isn't just impossibly convoluted, it's silly, as in feeble or pitiable. Learn to edit, will ya? I'm sure you can do better if you try. Good luck.

Posted by: Flukie on April 17, 2005 09:08 PM
50. flash the cash, troll boy

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 17, 2005 11:35 PM
51. Oh, and Michele, you were spot on.

Flukie doesn't think that Jesus loves bed-wetters, and so he take it out on anyone who will give him half a chance.

Have a good one....

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 17, 2005 11:40 PM
52. Fluke: So you're okay with abortion clinic bombers? If not, please explain to us what the difference between them and ELF terrorists is.

Posted by: Michele on April 18, 2005 02:21 AM
53. Hey Alphy. Readers can now conclude you made up the Squirrel story. It's a clever story sadly ruined by your lie about it being a true one.

I'll go out on a limb and say ELF are probably anarchist. Anarchy is very anti-government. So, in that way ELF are like abortion clinic bombers, Michele, ignorant, radical and reactionary. Take care dear. Remember to edit carefully. I'm through with this string. Discussion with Alphy is like (spreading?) pearls before swine.

Posted by: Fluke on April 18, 2005 08:02 AM
54. More (cowardly) lucidity from all~fluked~up

Where's my 5K troll?

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 18, 2005 01:58 PM
55. The word I was looking for was "casting" (pearls before swine), to describe my effort to communicate with Alphy. Alphy, there was never a bet, so what's keeping you from proving the squirrel story is true, other than it isn't? Nevermind. No one cares.

Posted by: Fluke on April 18, 2005 08:37 PM
56. C'mon fluke~for~brains, are you a complete coward?

Don't you have the courage of your convictions? Everyone else has abandoned this thread - it's just me & you.

Put up or shut up you POS.

I repeat - where's my 5K?

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 18, 2005 08:59 PM
57. You just don't get it, Alph. Anyone reading this string must logically conclude that you made the squirrel story up and then lied about it. You've proven yourself a liar and a fool. You have no credibility. I'll bet most readers came to these conclusions before this string.

Posted by: Fluke on April 19, 2005 10:17 AM
58. Since its just you n me flukie, who cares what any one else is likely (or not) to think?

As an alternative viewpoint, I would venture that anyone encountering this exchange would see a baseless accusation made (by you), a challenge proffered (by me) and a coward slinking its way out (Quite obviously you there, flukie).

The only thing I have "proven", is by way of illustration: that I provided you an opportunity to put up of shut up, and you have neither the courage of your convictions, nor the honor or basic common decency to do so - in other words, you have demonstrated that you are a democrat.

Suit yourself flukie......

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 19, 2005 11:07 AM
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