April 27, 2005
Gibberish

Dino Rossi: "Confident Judge Will Throw Out Nov. 2 Election"

Rossi made the comments after releasing a 476 page transcript of the deposition of King County Elections Director Dean Logan.

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He told KOMO 4 News: "It's becoming clear now why all the information we have received from King County has been nothing more than gibberish."

Speaking of gibberish, one of the few people still defending King County Elections in public had these hilariouly dissonant reactions to the Logan deposition: On Friday, he criticized Chris Vance for too eagerly talking to the press from the unofficial draft transcript; On Monday, after the Republicans sent the final transcript to every reporter in town, he concluded before he even read the thing that there wasn't anything important in it, on the grounds that the Republicans' "silence is deafening". Yeah, whatever,

The barnyard fetishist blogger really must be about the only guy in the state who's still defending King County Elections. Even State Democrat Chairman Paul Berendt is at a loss for words. I had a pleasant conversation with Mr. Berendt last Friday. He was very gracious and promised to get back to me with an official comment about the Logan deposition for my column in The Stranger. He never did call me back.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 27, 2005 11:03 AM | Email This
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1. Wait, that equestrian donkey guy is still around?

Who knew?

Posted by: Skor Grimm on April 27, 2005 11:22 AM
2. C'mon Shark,

Have a little understanding for Berendt. He's probably still wiping the tears from his eyes. You know how emotional he is.

Bring on the Huennekens deposition!

Posted by: Danny on April 27, 2005 11:22 AM
3. At last, a topic with a correct heading. Any article starting with a quote from Rossi is Gibberish.

See, it wasn't that hard to be truthful on this site.

Posted by: JDB on April 27, 2005 11:48 AM
4. Stefan, it's too bad you actually have to include a link to that "other" site in your article. By clicking on it I think I doubled the amount of hits his site has seen today...Next thing you'll hear is how his site has "doubled" in viewers...

Posted by: Erik on April 27, 2005 11:58 AM
5. JDB,

A very simple question:
How many legally cast ballots in King Co. were counted for the candidates.

Answer:

According to Dean Logan. They don't know.

Posted by: JCM on April 27, 2005 12:09 PM
6. David Goldstein has transitioned his whole web persona from one of hating Tim Eyman (although he still makes that clear quite often) to one of defending King County Elections.

He simply can't be objective in any way regarding the election. I'd be the first to admit that there's probably been a lot of crazy rhetoric on the right regarding the election that has gone over the top. However, Goldstein would never ackknowledge that on the left there's been no rational response to the ever increasing evidence that clearly shows that King County was not able to fully account for the election within the margin of victory, and then went on to certify the election knowing there were serious problems.

This is why the majority of the state is on Stefan's side. While our law is unfortunately quite tolerant of mistakes in the elections process, there's no rational position as to why we should not be outraged by what happened in King County and doing everything possible to both assure that there is an accurate settlement to the 11/2004 gubernatorial election and that all future elections are conducted in a much more secure and deterministic fashion.

Maybe that's why Goldstein's web traffic is a fraction of the traffic here at SP. It caters to a minority of leftists who enjoy evading reality, but ignores the rational majority of Washingtonions.

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 27, 2005 12:11 PM
7. I assume you include my characterization of what has gone down here is a “deliberate and systematic implementation of a system by which those predisposed to vote in ways that are extralegal while allowing those responsible to escape behind a veil of plausible deniability that any illegalities were committed by Democrat/KC/KC Elections officials and their explanation that there were ‘irregularities’ etc etc etc bla bla bla on into infinitum" as ‘a lot of crazy rhetoric on the right regarding the election that has gone over the top.’ I don’t, and so far every thing that has come out in the public record has supported my assessment, therefore I stand by every word I have said.

Posted by: JDH on April 27, 2005 12:24 PM
8. JDH,

I'm not singling you out. We've all made statements that have probably gone a bit too far if you look at everything we've said since November. That includes most of the commenters here, but that doesn't excuse KC Elections in any way. I'm simply pointing out that there's a lot of truth in the heated rhetoric and that the Horses Ass has never acknowledged anything more than "there were mistakes."

Were the situation reversed and Rossi was in office, I would frankly be just as appalled. There's no excuse for the kind of negligence, obfuscation and denial that we have seen from KC Elections.

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 27, 2005 12:38 PM
9. My favorite hobby is tormenting Goldy and the LEFTIST PINHEADS who actually take Goldsteins Blog seriously. Can you imagine that!
Goldy is probably a semi-tolerable LEFTIST PINHEAD but the other clowns get all wound up about how mean and obnoxious I am. Why they even accuse me of "doing it on purpose".
Goldy's primary source of data: Brain Farts and the LEFTIST rag the HorsesTass ...errrr Seattle P-I. When will SeattleTass even mention the Logan deposition???
They would rather deflect attention by reporting on a herd of buffalo overrunnig a tennis court!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on April 27, 2005 12:55 PM
10. David Goldstein has transitioned his whole web persona from one of hating Tim Eyman (although he still makes that clear quite often) to one of defending King County Elections.

No, I think that is incorrect, This site focus is on the Windmills of this flawed election, while Goldstein looks around the world on bigger issues instead of focusing on this little issues of which govenor runs up deficets or raises taxes. He looks at the world being a little bit larger than Puget Sound. He tends to post on it only in response to the flawed speculations that appear here.

That is Why....

Stefan, it's too bad you actually have to include a link to that "other" site in your article. By clicking on it I think I doubled the amount of hits his site has seen today...Next thing you'll hear is how his site has "doubled" in viewers...

Good point he should claim that. just took a comparison of comments for the Last 10 threads on each site

HA Average comments per post...68.4
SP Average comments per post...22.5
Stephan only Average comments per post...32.4

Maybe the people care more about the real world.

PS I have done these numbers many times in the past and there are always higher hits.
PSS...sorry I am counting Chardonay and Zapporos and VCRW's, Cynical nasty attack posts as well.

Yes worth going over to see the lovely things that these people are allowed, to say, and then call themselves good Christians

Posted by: danw on April 27, 2005 12:56 PM
11. danw,
So you admit it's a flawed election. Thanks. As far as how many responses one gets, two thoughts--the employed generally are not allowed to use the internet for such activities. I'm on my break by the way using my own computer. Thought # 2. Having many in agreement with you does not mean you speak the truth or have covered something fairly. You believe this because you think Bush, though fairly elected by a majority, is lying and evading all the time.

Posted by: Larry T on April 27, 2005 01:21 PM
12. Larry T

Flawed Election absolutly, and Goldy at HA has never said any different. (my quote not his)
But they are all flawed, they are run by humans and humans are flawed. The only reason we know of the flaws, is because it was so close. I am sure if we did this to every election ever had, these flaws would be there everytime. That is why Judge Bridge( or whoever now) will throw this thing out, because without any proof of FRAUD, organized planned theft of an election, this would set up a terrible precident to recount and sue over every election no matter how close.

As for you second point about people in agreement, you will find a much wider view of opposing opinions on HA then you will here, even though because he doesn't thought police it, it gets nasty. Read some of Cynicals posts over there.....like a Cat in a different box

Posted by: Danw on April 27, 2005 01:32 PM
13. JCM:

So you admit that the first two counts that showed Rossi ahead were deeply flaud?

And, better yet, how many people were ratified as Govenor and sworn in?

Posted by: JDB on April 27, 2005 01:34 PM
14. JDB,

Fair is Fair. King Count Election Dept Scr*w*d the Pooch so completely that the number of illegal votes and margin of error exceeded the margin of victory in any of the counts by at least an order of magnitude.

By the way Logan admited in his depostion that the machine recounts are more accurate that the had recount. Your fair haired boy admits the Rossi wins where more accurate.

Certified male bovine scat is still male bovine scat.

Therefore no one knows who won.

Posted by: JCM on April 27, 2005 01:44 PM
15. JCM:

Logan is not my fair hair boy. I agree with you, King Co. screwed the pooch. Strange how we don't have headlines here screaming about all those Gregoire votes (porportionally speaking) that didn't get counted. So, lets face it, Gregoire only loss in those first two counts because of fraud (just to use consistant language for this board).

But, you ignore my second question, and miss the obvious answer. We do know who won: Govenor Gregoire. Now, if you could show that people conspired to prevent Rossi from winning, I would jump on your bandwagon. But, since no one to this day has been able to show that, we have Govenor Gregoire and a lot of whining on the part of the right. That and a dime will get you a gumball now days.

Posted by: JDB on April 27, 2005 02:01 PM
16. DanW,

Comments on the threads do not translate into more traffic. And much of Goldstein's comments are back and forth by the same posters.

And for the record Danw, I am not a Christian.

Posted by: vcrw on April 27, 2005 02:19 PM
17. Aw Stefan, I'm sure Paul Berendt will call you back--he just didn't say in which decade.

As for the 'equine behind' blog, I'll bet a lot of his readers come over here to get the real poop once they figured out he's omitting too many details. He reminds me of how unions treat their members---'selectively' inform them.

Posted by: Michele on April 27, 2005 03:09 PM
18. danw--
Judging a blog by quantity of posts is ludicrous and you know it. Goldstein has one guy who posts under as many as 8 different names (Don/Alan etc. etc.) and has made as many as 50 posts on 1 thread.

danw is the Dean Logan of Blog Analysis!!!!!!!!!!!

Danw is just another typical LEFTIST Pinhead who truly believes Goldstein is a factor in anything!
Helllllllllllllooooooooooo danw.
Gee, I think a heard my voice echo as I yelled in his ear! Imagine that!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on April 27, 2005 03:20 PM
19. Cynical;
Nice to see you behave in your own little kitty litter. I see that you only use terms like pinhead over here, but when you go elsewhere you are about as foul as they come. Boy I bet they just love you at the In-laws. It doesn't really matter, You posts always include a personal attack, which only goes to prove you have nothing of substance to say, and just have Diareha of the mouth.
At Least a profesional Troll like VCRW actually brings something to the table. (distorted, but not disgusting)
So those of you who have seen the Kind and Gentle BIAW Christian Accountant on here, go over and read this disgusting pig of a man at
www.horsesass.org.
Any string, he is disgusting in all of them.
Cynical and Chardonay are representing you, help us understand that there is more to Republicans than these Vermin

Posted by: danw on April 27, 2005 04:07 PM
20. JDB, enjoy it while you can.

Posted by: Bostonian on April 27, 2005 04:36 PM
21. danw,

Since you have such a low regard for those who call themselves Christian, I assume you are a real Christian. In any event, you can pray for these poor misguided souls. They need the prayer, and you need the practice.

Posted by: Danny on April 27, 2005 06:08 PM
22. Cynical; Nice to see you behave in your own little kitty litter. I see that you only use terms like pinhead over here, but when you go elsewhere you are about as foul as they come. Boy I bet they just love you at the In-laws. It doesn't really matter, You posts always include a personal attack At Least a profesional Troll like VCRW actually brings something to the table. (distorted, but not disgusting)
So those of you who have seen the Kind and Gentle BIAW Christian Accountant on here, go over and read this disgusting pig of a man at
www.horsesass.org.
Any string, he is disgusting in all of them.
Cynical and Chardonay are representing you, help us understand that there is more to Republicans than these Vermin -Posted by danw at April 27, 2005 04:07 PM

Let's count the personal attacks by ONE charming fellow in ONE post, shall we?
1."you have nothing of substance to say"
2."just have Diareha of the mouth."
3."(distorted, but not disgusting)"
4."this disgusting pig of a man at www.
horsesass.org."
5."Any string, he is disgusting in all of them."
6."than these Vermin"

Credible fellow, isn't he?

Posted by: Cheryl on April 27, 2005 08:33 PM
23. All reasonable thinking people know that Berendt is a good used car salesman and an incredible jackass. And then there's other pinheads like danw, nelson, the headless one, docbenton who are out to spread verbal vomit that overfloweth from the horsesass.org and moveon.org.

Not surprising that the pathetic MSM would try and twist Rossi's words - for they live by the principle that "Repeat a lie enough and the public will believe it". because the truth hurts !

Posted by: KS on April 27, 2005 09:10 PM
24. Cheryl;
Lets take a look at Cynicals posts from one String yesterday. This is you representative in the world of debate, instead of the love circle that goes on here.
Boy if you guys hated Clinton so much....How about have this guy over to dinner.. I'll have to go through and fix some of his spelling cause of the filters that are here.
This is from a man who claims to be be a religous man (sorry to all you christians who take offense, but these are the people who are speaking on your behalf)
I wonder how the woman staff like this from the accountant. Maybe we should ask HR?


Wow, Goldy….and you wonder why I think (rather know) what a bunch of F***ING IDIOTS you LEFTIST PINHEADS ARE???

The ever-Angry Gay Male (aka jpgee, Rudy and other ID’s) loves to be the center of attention!
His accomplishments speak for themselves–see Post #13

jpgee is our resident homophobic homo
That means he is afraid of himself…as well he should be!

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/23/05 @ 7:26 am

Next thing we know it will be the
SHANTAIMAI/GOLDSTEIN Presidential Ticket!!
They will call themselves:
THEF*CKEDINTHEHEAD PARTY!

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/23/05 @ 10:33 am

Goldy’s ex-wife said when they were married Goldy was such a cheap, insensitive bastard, he would rent out his side of the bed to strangers for extra beer money when he went away on business trips!

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/23/05 @ 2:19 pm

Goldy is a real FANCY BOY!
Actually, Goldy’s worst feature is that piercing, wretched voice!
I’m sure every dog in KingCo was howling when he was gettin’ off!
His wife was probably filing her nails.

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/23/05 @ 3:06 pm

If you really want a good laugh about a book that describes the arrogant LEFTIST elite of Seattle, you’ve got to read the book
BOBO’s IN PARADISE ::The New Upper Class and How They Got There
by David Brooks

BOBO stands for Bourgeois Bohemians
Ain’t that what a Seattle Yuppie/Hippie/F*cking Idiot is??

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/23/05 @ 8:49 pm
You seem to enjoy beast*ality and have such a fondness for those who give it to each other in the a*s. I can only imagine what’s in your personal library.

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/24/05 @ 5:15 am

Can you imagine the animal fornicating this sick bastard did in his 30 years as a Guv’mint lawyer?????

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/24/05 @ 7:59 am
Looking back, DonSux unnatural attraction to little furry, fuzzy critters was revealed to his parents at a young age.

How many 4-year olds get a boner watching Bugs Bunny?
To this date, DonSux gets sprung when he hears anyone say,
“I gonna get you, you silly wabbit"!

Comment by Mr. Cynical— 4/24/05 @ 9:20 am

This took about five minutes and I have seen worse.
I stand by what I say Vermin.

Posted by: danw on April 27, 2005 09:13 PM
25. Danw
After reviewing the HA site I realized how little credible statistics were present there unlike here. Frankly, I found links to hit peices from the MSM but didn't ever find the facts, just arguments about opinions.
If Goldy wants to keep his site as foul as they come its his blog. The proof is in the invitations, he doesn't get invited to the same level of political discussions that Sharkansky does.
And, who would you wnat supporting you in court, an expert full of hot air or an expert who is full of facts and confidence. You gotta admit Sharkansy would be the selection every time.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on April 27, 2005 10:06 PM
26. Cynical
Some of those posts are hilarious. You should start a joke blog.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on April 27, 2005 10:08 PM
27. Yeah, I heard their lead attorney on the radio yesterday. He is following the classic Soviet disinformation line that the Democrats in this state have been doing for years. They are used to being able to simply repeat something enough times and thus make it true.

Fortunately, there are now better sources of information available than the pitiful Seattle traditional media.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on April 27, 2005 10:13 PM
28. Mark Beyer;
It's absolutley your right to feel that way. I think the main difference, is that HA through Goldys Comic posts are designed to get people to think about a subject, and discuss it. That is why you will tend to see more debate over there.
And no banning of posters.(which leads to the filth, I have even been caught up in it myself, but it is normally in response to Cynical the Vermin)
IF YOU WANT FREE SPEECH AND EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, IT CAN NOT BE CENSORED. I am told will happen to me here if I continue to disagree with Stephan.

Stephan like to show to you items, like pictures of Pollbooks and incite you to think there is Fraud. What you claim for facts here, are just more of the Windmill tilting and grasping at straws, that still can not prove fraud.
MOVEON.STEPHAN
Stephan has a very broad base, and I am sure they are getting tired of it as well. They are probably ready to let it go.
I am sure there are plenty of worthwhile causes he could take up.

Besides what difference does the Govenor make here anyway. One will Tax and Spend, The Other will just spend and put it on a credit card.

As for which one I would want in court? We'll let the courts decide. I happen to have an idea how many lawyers Goldy knows.

Posted by: danw on April 27, 2005 10:27 PM
29. Rossi was right. The information from KC Elections is gibberish.

The "information" from the HA crowd is also gibberish.

Stop changing the subject. Who gives a rip about HA?

Stop giving credence to the leftists from HA.

Again, the information from KC Elections is gibberish.

Posted by: otto on April 27, 2005 11:08 PM
30. As I have stated before, Dino Rossi is no fool, although he has allowed the wingnuts to force him into this foolish election challange which is hurting his reputation.

How telling that he has announced he will not run for Senate. He obviously knows that it will take at least four years to wash off the paranoid delusions of his followers so that he can be taken seriously again.

In a slight defense of the Minnow, I should note that I've been insulting and have yet to be banned from this board. That being said, the great thing about this board for the moderators is that they never have to say they are sorry when they are proven wrong. And goodness knows, the Minnow has tried to make it hard for a few that disagree with him to post. It also amazes me to this day how many people that post here can so readily ignore reality in their desire to be right.

One seriously gets a feeling that about 75% of the right wingers that post here (the 10-15 core posters) spend the time they are not posting rocking back and forth in the corner saying "Rossi will save me, Rossi will save me." Goodness knows, they apparenlty have no jobs, family or lives. Sad, really.

Posted by: JDB on April 28, 2005 10:03 AM
31. It's not foolish...when it's correct, right, and just.

I have just sliced all opposition with Occam's Razor.

Posted by: Big M on April 28, 2005 11:49 AM
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