1. Not too sure, Stefan. I believe that the Times is beyond shame, so they would never look foolish, at least in their own eyes. Second, the Rossi legal advisor assumes alot, thinking the Times would print truly logical arguments from the likes of SP readers.

Posted by: Danny on May 22, 2005 12:52 PM

2. The story reminds me of the 'GOP Governors Association To Pull Out of Washington' story that proved to be false. It was so obviously done to hurt Rossi that it was almost laughable.

I wrote a letter on that one, but they didn't care.

Posted by: Cliff on May 22, 2005 12:57 PM

3. Look at the profiles of the four felon voters on page A 18 of the Times. Read the info on Wendy Watson, the Gregoire voter who was convicted of theft in 1995. It states "Watson registered to vote at a White Center grocery where a man promised to help resotre her voting rights "in no time" if she would sign up."
I wonder who the voter registrar was and what organization the registrar was associated with? I'm sure it was just a helpful volunteer from the League of Women Voters. Wouldn't have been someone from Rock the Vote or People for the American Way. Nah, they wouldn't be clued in to targeting felons because we all know felons vote for Republicans.
Let the Trial Begin!!!

Posted by: John on May 22, 2005 01:00 PM

4. ...or we can call the advertisors and let them tell the Times editor why they are pulling their sponsorship of this propoganda.

Posted by: andy on May 22, 2005 01:07 PM

5. Your contact on the Rossi team suggests writing letters to the editor, in an attempt to enlighten Times' readers. The only problem is they rarely print them (I've written 5 times and have yet to see one in print) and when they do it's usually at 5:1 ratio against letters from the whiney-a$$, kool-aid drinking lefties. Both the Times and PI are worthless mullet wrappers that my dog won't even bother taking a $hit on...

Posted by: skycheetah on May 22, 2005 01:19 PM

6. Or do all three; write to advertisors, write to the Seattle Times, and cancel your subscription.

On a side note. I don't subscribe to the Times, but view their website instead...usually for their sports coverage. Should I stop visiting the site thereby lowering their daily count of viewers?

Mark D

Posted by: Mark D on May 22, 2005 01:23 PM

7. I've gotten letters published in the Times and PI on several occassions, twice so far this month in fact. The problem is for every conservative voice published there are three Moonbat letters. For Charles Krauthammer we get Molly Ivins, Joni Balter and several others I can't distinguish between; they all pedal the same tiresome, left-liberal, talking-point BS. Newspapers (old media) are going downhill. In order to survive, the Times and PI have to cater to the leftist Seattle mindset. They can survive cancellations from east of Lake Washington. They can't survive cancellations from Capitol Hill and Wallingford.

Posted by: John W. Nelson on May 22, 2005 02:02 PM

8. The performance of the local news media on the 2004 election controversy has been almost uniformly deplorable. Compare the coverage of the situation here with the outstanding work the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel has done on the similar election fiasco there, and the bias, laziness and plain incompetence of our local papers becomes all the more evident.

Posted by: jsa on May 22, 2005 02:28 PM

9. I dropped an email to the reporters at The Times as well as the executive editor asking them why they had the time to thoroughly examine the Republican list but not the Democrat list before rushing it into the paper? And these people would have us believe that the Times is striving for fair and objective reporting?? Give me a friggin break.

Mike Fancher, Executive Editor -- mfancher@seattletimes.com

Reporters for this story --

Emily Heffter: 425-783-0624 or eheffter@seattletimes.com

Mike Carter: 206-464-3706 or mcarter@seattletimes.com

Posted by: Travis on May 22, 2005 02:29 PM

10. I don't even read it, though my wife gets suckered into subscribing a couple of times a year. Its mind boggling we have such lousy papers in a town that is at least as educated as other big cities.. (??).

Posted by: righton on May 22, 2005 02:35 PM

11. You can have your cake and eat it, too. Even if you don't subscribe to the Times, they will print your letter to the editor if it has merit.

Posted by: Michele on May 22, 2005 02:36 PM

12. Are these guys trying to adversely influence Judge Bridges to throwing out all of this poop at the 11th hour ? One could be lead to believe that this is their motive.

Posted by: KS on May 22, 2005 02:42 PM

13. Keep Cancelling, and writing the advertiser's. The Seattle MSM have their head so far up their Arses, they really dont care what the Average Taxpayer in this state thinks.

Posted by: Chris on May 22, 2005 02:49 PM

14. I would like to the see the Seattle Times do a story on the VICTIMS of some of these felons. People who's kids bought drugs from some of these dirtballs or were robbed or assaulted. That would be interesting, wouldn't it??

I would also like to see the Times print some of the rapsheets of some of these losers. I've seen several of them that would really make you irate. Conveniently, they glossed over these.

That said...it is what is it as far as the election contest is concerned. Either someone who voted is a felon or not. Either they had their rights restored or not.

Frankly, this type of reporting may sway a few people's thinking but once the trial starts there will be lots of ebbs & flows. In the end....that's what matters. How the Judge ultimately rules and how the voting public feels about Gregoire and her statement:
"This election is a model for the rest of the nation and the world at large."
---Christine Gregoire, former Illegitimate Governor

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 22, 2005 03:11 PM

15. I am afraid the Dems did a lot better job of finding ineligible felons in Rossi precincts than the GOP did in Gregoire precincts. 99% of the Dems felons come from Rossi precincts, while only 75% of the GOP felons come from Gregoire precincts.

But just take a look at the various counties in which the GOP found no felons or very few felons. Most of those counties were carried by Rossi. But many of them were either close and/or quite politically diverse (i.e. varying party strength in different precincts).

Almost certainly, the GOP overlooked a lot of ineligible felons in Gregoire precincts. This would particularly be the case in Pierce, Snohomish, and Spokane Counties. While Rossi carried all three narrowly, probably close to half the precincts in each county (mostly inner city and urban areas) were carried by Gregoire. But the Dems managed to find a lot more felons than the GOP in each county -- and the number of felons per capita in each county is a LOT less than in King County.

I think the GOP concentrated very heavily on King County, and didn't make such a strong effort in Gregoire precincts in other counties. The Dems, however, probably didn't overlook a single Rossi precinct in the entire state.

Posted by: Richard Pope on May 22, 2005 03:21 PM

16. Richard Pope--
The Dems ended up have more manpower because BOTH Seattle Newspapers helped them out by validating the R's list freeing them up to look elsewhere.
Nice to have media help, huh?

Even more disturbing today is Dave Ammons of AP reporting the PI about Gregoire "sacking" 1000 middle managers. I e-mailed Ammons asking him for the names and positions of those 1000 middle managers he claims Gregoire "sacked". I believe this is the ultimate SHELL GAME where people will be "reclassified", they will include retirees etc.

But in the end, there will be more State Employees than before. It's a joke.
Ammons hasn't responded yet. Nor will he.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 22, 2005 03:29 PM

17. Mr. Cynical:

You need not speculate about where these people will be whenever the switch is made. I don't believe any of them have actually been switched yet.

They WILL be reclassified in positions with same salary and roughly the same benefits (classified staff generally have lower benefits than management).

They will likely "BUMP" out other people from their jobs, but since most departments are getting more dollars for new positions, thosed bumped will get transferred to comparable positions.

Yup, its just a shell game.

Posted by: Deadwood on May 22, 2005 03:55 PM

18. I am a state worker and have yet to see any managers lose their jobs. I don't believe thata there will be many if any that do. However, that being said, a lot of the managers do not have bumping rights because they never held classified positions within the state. The only ones that can "bump" someone from their job are those that previously held civil service positions prior to becomming so called managers. We do have a lot of managers voluntarily leaving the agency, either by retiring or leaving for other jobs. They may or may not be replaced.

Posted by: Gil on May 22, 2005 04:12 PM

19. I wonder if Gary Locke was helping with the Felon List? hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: Gil on May 22, 2005 04:26 PM

20. Well....Just as I predicted last night when I saw the Seattle Times article on their website....

SOUND POLITIC'S SITE METER IS BURNING TODAY!!
Everyone wants the truth!

5,845 people have viewed us today - so far...

I wonder how many Seattle Times cancellations that works out to?

Posted by: Debprah on May 22, 2005 04:30 PM

21. Gil:

The WMS positions being axed are those that were created for policy positions. Most of these do not actually manage anybody.

Normally these positions would be filled as exempt positions (i.e. political appointments). As for bumping rights, most of the people were promoted from classified positions and therefore bump other people out when their positions get axed.

I think many of these non-management managment positions were created as rewards (at least it looks that way based on the folks I know who hold them).

Posted by: Deadwood on May 22, 2005 04:42 PM

22. Deborah--
Goldstein is busted. He has one guy who goes by more than a dozen ID's doing 1/2 of the posting. Cute huh??
It just shows once again that the LEFTIST PINHEADS will resort to anything to get the result they desire...just like in KingCo!!!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on May 22, 2005 04:56 PM

23. That is a very good question Gil!

Posted by: cc on May 22, 2005 05:28 PM

24. Which party advocates restoring the right to vote for convicted felons? Does anybody think Democrats would push for allowing felons to vote if they thought those felons would vote for Republicans? Most felons would not be inclined to vote for law and order Republicans.

Posted by: Huey on May 22, 2005 05:39 PM

25. OK - I have had it t -- the Seattle Slimes is history -- too bad in a way cause I need the paper to sop up excess slop that seems to materialize -- anyway - along the line of the previous posts re whether or not sensible letters get published - a few years ago they used to have a column on the editorial page about a week into each month that highlighted a 'letter to the editor - of the month' along with some stats re the overall response to certain news stories -- going back to the EMERGENCY baseball stadium -- December 1996 - Jan 1997 super duper - ONLY IN SEATTLE - WHINE and SOBBING - BLUBBER fest that was THROWN up by the Mariner ownership/leadership -- re just having to have a new stadium -- during January 1997 I expected to see a lot of anti-stadium sentiment letters -- and 'POOF' - 'A SAVE THE WHALE' story surfaced - some hand-wringing landlocked whale story in Japan - that somehow lasted ALL month -- day after day -- 3-4 letters re the poor whale -- maybe one or two stadium letters -- always 1 pro and 1 con - the usual Seattle BS 50-50 crap to make ya think that - everone who is anyone, is really in favor of the latest crapola - sure thing - about the first week of Feb -- comes the recap article -- about 200 letters re the whale and 8-900 re the stadium -- simple math showed they typically published 80 to 90 percent of the whale letters and maybe 10 percent of the stadium letters -- er - that is - 8 to 10 percent of the anti-stadium letters and 90-100 percent of the pro-stadium letters -- Bye Bye - Slimes

Posted by: Bill on May 22, 2005 05:41 PM

26. The only way to drefeat the MSM is in the wallet. Don't read them, don't view them, don't buy from their advertisers and let their advertisers know why.

Posted by: pbj on May 22, 2005 06:26 PM

27. I'm not one for calling boycotts, because they are almost never effective. However, if an enterprising SP reader had the time to do it, he/she could purchase a Times and a PI, and provide a listing of the advertisers to the rags.

It could be a handy reference point for consumers to check. To really rub it in the advertiser's face...email them and let them know how much $$ you spent at their competitor who doesn't subsidize propaganda with their marketing dollars.

Posted by: Danny on May 22, 2005 06:39 PM

28. Cancel it AND write a letter complaining about what a terrible job they have done....don't keep supporting any of these local papers that can't tell the truth.And don't forget to call their advertisers too.......
Maybe then they'll pay attention.

Posted by: christmasghost on May 22, 2005 06:52 PM

29. Someone asked a good question. If you visit the Seattle Slimes on-line does that help their propaganda to sell advertising (their life blood). If so, please don't even visit them online. Anybody know???? Thanks

Posted by: CP on May 22, 2005 07:09 PM

30. Yes- it drives up their hit count (aka unique impressions in marketing terms) - but this can work both positively and negatively.

If you do visit them online- and you feel strongly about NOT supporting their lies- it is important to take the time to contact their advertisers and tell them you will not give them your business while they continue to advertise with the Times.

Costing them even 1 advertiser- is more effective than every SP reader cancelling their subscription.

Your subscription revenue over a decade is a pittance to what one car dealer spends with the Times in one month.

Posted by: Andy on May 22, 2005 07:46 PM

31. kiro710.com has a poll re the election... go take a look and think seriously before you pull the lever. Cheers!

Tom

Posted by: Tom on May 22, 2005 08:00 PM

32. Hey everyone, I leave town for a wedding and these wonderful fireworks come forth. I promised the wife no surfing, and I am proud of keeping that promise. I feel there is light at the end of this article tunnel.

The Head HA on HA, David Goldstein called the approximate 500 voters who voted for Ron Dims as write-ins last NOvember "PigHeaded Democrats", and truer words from Goldy's small mind to his fingertips were never written before by him. They all parroted the Head PigHeaded HA himself, Paul Berendt, where he said "all felons voted for Rossi". Where is the Berendt retraction now? Where is the lead HA story on the lies of Berendt? Another MIA from the mind of Berendt and Goldy! Another missed opportunity by Goldy for some enlightening truth, a mea culpa! Maybe Goldy is having a McDimwitt moment? Go Stefan, the Blogmeister!!!!

I said 70% of the felons in KC voted for Gregore based on Florida and other recent east coast election cycles. So I was wrong, well, it looks from the instant Times analysis, over 51% voted for GreGore in NOvember. And 51 is much closer to 70 than 51 is to 0! The Times made one part of our argument true as 51% is close to 57.66% in the petitioners brief. That number will asymtotically reach that 57.66%

I went to the HA site and no one discussed that topic. But why would they? It would admit that PigHeaded Berendt is a liar on their site. Can't have that! So much for open discussion on HA.

It's good to be back on the Internet.

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on May 22, 2005 09:01 PM

33. OK..Sound Politics page views are now up to :
Today 7,728!!

(Mr. Cynical, I have a feeling - these are REAL viewers...Heh...We don't need to use Goldies fake user ID tactics here....)

The Seattle Times has effectively outraged the people of this state!! (adding them to my wish-would-leave-the-state list..)

1. Ron Sims
2. Christine Gregoire
3. Patty Murray
4. Maria Cantwell
5. Dean Logan
6. Sam Reed
7. Jim McDermott
8. All the Democrats in the state legislature
9. All the Democrats on the King County Council
10.Paul Berendts
11.Ah heck! All of the liberal Democrats living in Washington State!
12.Seattle PI
13.Seattle Times
14.King, Kiro, Komo News stations (Especially Jean, Dennis,Don Porter and Linda Byron...Ewwww!)

(Taking a moment to imagine what life would be like in Western Washington if we woke up one morning and they were all gone....Just left in the night! It would be like a heavy burden lifted and the rain clouds parting and the sun shining down! No more liberal imposed guilt trips!
No more liberal socialist propaganda fed to me during dinner time news! People would be happy again! Dancing in the streets! They could once again dream of jobs and land ownership and low taxes and fishing and hunting ...)

Someday.....

Posted by: Deborah on May 22, 2005 09:29 PM

34. Gees I will be missing the first day also, seeing as since this governor and her No Tax legislature has gotten so greedy, I believe I will take a trip down to visit my cousin in Portland tommorrow. I understand Portland has no sales tax! I'll be waving at Olympia when I pass by, maybe with only one finger!

I will wish you all alot of fun tommorrow!

Posted by: GS on May 22, 2005 09:33 PM

35. REMEMBER THERE ARE FIVE BATTLES GOING ON.

(1) There is the legal contest in Judge Bridges Court Room.

(2) There is the public relations battle to either discredit Judge Bridges decision or provide cover to the State Supreme Court to over turn Judge Bridges when he rules that Chris G. is not the Governor.

(3) There is a "relection campaign" that has started for the next Governor's race. The Times has decided to try to make the public believe that she is the victim of a vast right wing Republican conspiracy.

(4) There is the public relations war to try to keep the FBI & Justice Dept. from getting involved.

(5) There is the battle to keep Democrats like Ron Sims as future viable candidates for future office.

The times and various Democrats are working hard at spin and trying to keep the inevitable from happening or at least delaying it.

Posted by: Bob on May 22, 2005 10:08 PM

36. OK...Enough on the Seattle Times story...Anyone with half a brain saw through the pathetic nonsense after the first paragraph! (Thankfully - the State of Washington has a majority of full-brained people...)
This weekend's media blitz was only a last ditch *desperate* effort to sway public opinion and to distract the Rossi group from their momentum for tomorrows trial. It didn't work.....I wonder how much the WA State Democrat Committee paid out to the press for that favor? They only pulled in 30K from the Kerry visit!

OK..For tomorrow...What is the scoop? Will the trial be televised? I know Stefan will be posting something....

Posted by: Deborah on May 22, 2005 11:29 PM

37. You guys sound more mature when you address the facts rather than whining about the media.

I think the Seattle Times has -- appropriately -- given the election contest far more coverage than it deserves based on its mindshare with the population at large. Face it, most people have stopped talking about the election. You just sound silly when you blame the Times and talk about canceling your subscriptions.

Posted by: Bruce on May 22, 2005 11:30 PM

38. John
Thats easy to find out. The registar would be documented at the store. The store management does this to prevent any liability from the registars actions. Just ask the store.

Posted by: Mark Beyer on May 22, 2005 11:53 PM

39. Shark fails to point out an important section of the Seattle Times article both here and in his past diatribe, so let me present it to those who haven't bothered to read the article:

An analysis of a random sample of names on the GOP list submitted in March found that about 1 in every 9 names was wrongly included — an error rate of 11 percent.

The Democrats' list, completed just a little over a week ago, has not been thoroughly analyzed by The Times. But assuming any errors would be distributed evenly across the list, its error rate would have to be astronomical — about 74 percent — for Rossi to emerge on top. A preliminary check indicates an error rate only slightly higher than that of the Republicans.

Now his volunteer researcher said, "She prefers that I not publish the exact number of inaccuracies they found on the D's list, except to say that percentage-wise, the R's managed to knock-off significantly more felons from the D's list than the D's knocked off the R's list."

As many as 74%?? I highly doubt it.

But we can speculate all we like. We'll all find out soon enough what the numbers are, and we'll find out that they likely won't make any difference to Judge Bridges who will most likely indicate that a precinct by precinct application of the "proportional deduction" methodology is not possible due the lack of data available to make such extrapolations.

BTW, after you've cancelled your subscriptions to Newsweek, The Seattle Times and other MSM outlets, do yourselves a favor and at least try to get your news from places other than just the GOP and White House Web sites, or this blog for that matter.

Posted by: Daniel K on May 22, 2005 11:58 PM

40. But assuming any errors would be distributed evenly across the list, its error rate would have to be astronomical — about 74 percent — for Rossi to emerge on top

DanielK...

You forget we are dealing with the Democrats here...remember? THEY are the ones accused of *Fraud*?? Why would anyone take their list at face value? The kindest scenario would be that their list contained *errors* ..(kind of like the King County elections)..the most likely scenario is that the Dems list contains perpetrated fraud!

You can be a cheerleader (sucker) to the Times and the Democrat Machine..But please....spare us your hopeful analysis....

We are so past that!

Posted by: Deborah on May 23, 2005 12:44 AM

41. SO what the Times complains 1 in 9 is wrong. Look at the contra, 8 in 9 are correct. All the brief proposes is 57.66%. If they get that or better we come out smelling like a rose. Don't the Democraps have to prove their felon list is correct and unique from the Republican list.

Forget the Times. Every liberal daily is worried that their inside connections to news will dry up. Also their gravy train will stop dead on the tracks.

Pudster

Posted by: Puddybud on May 23, 2005 04:34 AM

42. Daniel !!!

Read again.."The Democrats' list, completed just a little over a week ago, has not been thoroughly analyzed by The Times. But assuming any errors would be distributed evenly across the list, its error rate would have to be astronomical — about 74 percent — for Rossi to emerge on top. A preliminary check indicates an error rate only slightly higher than that of the Republicans.

"has not been thoroughly analyzed by The Times" "Assuming an Error Rate" what happens when you assume????.....

As far as I am concerned, Anyone could have produced the Dem;s List, and it wouldn't make it ACCURATE....

Point is, no one has tore it apart YET, and you are comparing apples to oranges. BTW, didn't our prestigious KING 5 report that the Dem's Felon List come from 99% Rossi favoring counties. Not precints, counties. Isnt that Cherry Picking? At least the Republicans kept it under 80%....

The sky is falling Daniel K, cover your head....

Posted by: Chris on May 23, 2005 06:49 AM

43. Falso and severely biased reporting in the Seattle Media? Who'd a thunk it!

The Seattle media is no better than Mexico's media during the 71 year rule of the PRI. It's owned by the totalitarian Democrats.

Posted by: DeadManVoting (aka Iguana) on May 23, 2005 09:44 AM

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