BS. It is more important that the King County Elections folks follow state laws and do their damn jobs.

Why can't NARAL stand up for THIS woman's right NOT to be disenfranchised by illegal votes? (I won't hold my breath.)

The State and County has many laws on the books that those responsible to enforce them cry they haven't enough resources or that's a section of law that's never been enforced before. Yadda Yadda Yadda all bureaucratic bull.

They are in control and I fear this Novembers election will be no different than the last. Lost ballots, ballots found, illegal ballots counted, etc. All just to keep their guy Slims in office and retain power and the status quo.

What a shame as our County continues down the path to Revolution as they continue to erode our Constitution to the point of irrelevance.

Maleng is a Republican. I don't question that. I look beyond party affiliation when I evaluate how well a public official is doing their job.

I bet if I send in tens of thousands of registrations with bogus addresses and vote each one against Ron Sims, Dean would quickly demand an investigation by Norm Maleng.

King County has systems that you can use online to look at information for any tax parcel, but none of this can be used to validate adresses?

Someone, correctly, points out a bad/invalid address and KCE can't flag this in their multimillion dollar systems and search for all registrations using these addresses?

No policing needed here, just system maintenance and validation. Surely they validate parcel information every couple of years when they re-assess the property.

Logan, trying to hide behind poorly crafted laws, looks every bit the inept fool he is. He looks like Weird Al Yankovic....and he acts like him too!!
In other County's, Auditors immediately look into any of these mailing service addresses raised and NEVER accept a PO Box as a residence address to begin with. Logan is an idiot.
What will really be telling is precisely WHEN some of these ID'd mailing service and PO Box addresses were input. I'll bet Staefan can find out. Were they added under Logan's watch??? Were records updated to these illegal addresses under Logan's watch?
Inquiring minds want to know!

Way back in my archives I discussed the case of a Florida prosecutor who did prosecute such cases -- unlike most prosecutors in Florida. Most prosecutors, he thought, preferred to stay out of partisan fights, which is understadable, if not brave. And most don't see vote fraud as especially important -- which it isn't for single cases.

And this prosecutor, despite being willing to take some of these cases, excluded a whole class -- voting by non-citizens. He said they would always claim that they thought that they were supposed to vote, and given the Motor Voter rules, many of them probably did. So he just told them to go and vote no more.

I think, by the way, that prosecutors are more willing to take cases where the quarrel is within a party, where one candidate claims the other cheated in a primary. I know one of the first big efforts to prosecute vote fraud in St. Louis, a hotbed of voter fraud, came after a primary.

Finally, just so there is no misunderstanding, I should add that of course I don't like this reluctance to prosecute. I think it quite obviously encourages vote fraud.

Do we now get to pick and choose which laws and regulations we want to follow? Isn't that just a version of anarchy?

Norm Maleng needs to DO HIS JOB. Not find excuses not to do it.

Heck, if he starts prosecuting now, he'll have job security for ten years in KC alone!

Pressure to conform to law is NOT going to work on KCE.

Pressure brought to bear against Maleng to do his job should work!

Who makes sure that Maleng does his job? Does he answer to anyone?

This is what Logan wrote:

"State statue requires county auditors (or the elections director in King County) to register individuals to vote if the individuals submit voter registration forms that are complete and valid on their face"...

Notice how Logan tried to inject "valid on their face" into the RCW?

Here is the current RCW..I see nothing to suggest this interpretation..:

RCW 29A.08.110
Auditor's procedure. (Effective until January 1, 2006.)

(1) On receipt of an application for voter registration under this chapter, the county auditor shall review the application to determine whether the information supplied is complete. An application that contains the applicant's name, complete valid residence address, date of birth, and signature attesting to the truth of the information provided on the application is complete. If it is not complete, the auditor shall promptly mail a verification notice of the deficiency to the applicant. This verification notice shall require the applicant to provide the missing information. If the verification notice is not returned by the applicant or is returned as undeliverable the auditor shall not place the name of the applicant on the county voter list. If the applicant provides the required information, the applicant shall be registered to vote as of the date of mailing of the original voter registration application.

(2) If the information is complete, the applicant is considered to be registered to vote as of the date of mailing. The auditor shall record the appropriate precinct identification, taxing district identification, and date of registration on the voter's record. Within forty-five days after the receipt of an application but no later than seven days before the next primary, special election, or general election, the auditor shall send to the applicant, by first class mail, an acknowledgement notice identifying the registrant's precinct and containing such other information as may be required by the secretary of state. The postal service shall be instructed not to forward a voter registration card to any other address and to return to the auditor any card which is not deliverable. If the applicant has indicated that he or she is registered to vote in another county in Washington but has also provided an address within the auditor's county that is for voter registration purposes, the auditor shall send, on behalf of the registrant, a registration cancellation notice to the auditor of that other county and the auditor receiving the notice shall cancel the registrant's voter registration in that other county. If the registrant has indicated on the form that he or she is registered to vote within the county but has provided a new address within the county that is for voter registration purposes, the auditor shall transfer the voter's registration.

(3) If an acknowledgement notice card is properly mailed as required by this section to the address listed by the voter as being the voter's mailing address and the notice is subsequently returned to the auditor by the postal service as being undeliverable to the voter at that address, the auditor shall promptly send the voter a confirmation notice. The auditor shall place the voter's registration on inactive status pending a response from the voter to the confirmation notice.

[2003 c 111 § 206. Prior: 1994 c 57 § 32; 1993 c 434 § 6. Formerly RCW 29.08.060.]

NOTES: Severability -- Effective date -- 1994 c 57: See notes following RCW 10.64.021.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Logan claims that if all the spaces on the form are filled in, they must accept it as a valid registration regardless of what is written on it. Yet the RCW makes it clear that the address provided must be a "valid residential address."

By Logan's logic, if someone enters "Box NNN" as their residential address, the Auditor is supposed to ignore the fact that it is clearly NOT a valid residential address. I would instead argue that the form is NOT "valid on its face" by virtue of having a clearly INvalid residential address...!

Though it doesn't matter anyways, cause Ms. Josie Martinez Singh Abdula Krenesnky-Smith will vote absentee, at the polls and provisionally, even though her ID says Stan Horowitz.

Notice how the RCW intructs the auditor to determine that the residence address be *complete* - AND - *valid*? It does not say to determine that the application contains the applicant's name, complete residence address, date of birth,...etc..... It says COMPLETE VALID RESIDENCE ADDRESS.

That's the law! Dean Logan neglected his responsibility to determine the validity of the applicant's residence address as REQUIRED by RCW 29A.08.110.

Dean Logan broke the law.

You're right: Logan is adding something to the statute by claiming that he need look at nothing other than the "face" of the registration form.

By the words of the statute, Logan "shall review the application to determine whether the information supplied is complete. An application that contains the applicant's name, complete valid residence address...is complete."

Logan and his subordinates cannot determine whether the residence address stated by the registration applicant is "valid" by simply looking at the registration form. They have to look at whatever information is available to them elsewhere to see if the address is "valid."

Note that the remainder of that section of the statute prohibits placing the person on the voter rolls until a "complete valid residence address" is provided by that person.

Of course, when the address given on the registration application is a mailbox, it is not a "complete valid residence address" even "on its face." But, even that doesn't seem to stop Logan's gang from accepting the application as "complete" and counting the votes on ballots from such persons.

Has anyone written the elected county prosecutor to ask what his construction of this statutory language is?

But the implementation is if they hear nothing back from the request of the address correction, they will assume the address is correct. It says to contact the office ONLY IF THE ADDRESS IS INCORRECT! Beyond comprehension!

Conspiracy - 1) An agreement to perform together an illegal, trecherous, or evil act. 4) An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or to accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

If it looks like a fish, smells like a fish, and swims like a fish...then it must be a fish. And KC elections smells very, very fishy.

There is a huge story here that Seattle MSM refuses to investigate or cover, therefore one is left to assume they either like/agree with what is happening, or they totally don't care and therefore condone it by indifference. Conspirators appear to include MSM, Dean Logan, upper management in KC elections, Norm Maleng, and ??? ...how do we get an independent investigation. Better yet, a criminal investigation.

This is not difficult.

If you are *homeless*, according to King County Elections, you can use the King County admin. building's address as your residence..or is it your mailing address? ......(I wonder how they work their *Tent City* shuffle around this?)

But that still doesn't apply to *Mail Box* or *Storage* voters......Mail Box/Storage voters are not claiming homelessness and might not even be residents of this state or country...

That there are 1,943 unchallenged Mail box/Storage voters in King County...makes me furious!

For a look at the sterling work Dean's doing check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/c4kys
Obvisously an autobiography.

Why would you think it's relevant here? Or anywhere?
If it were true..George H.W. Bush would have STILL used his *actual* residence address to register to vote!

You're an idiot. Go away.

You wouldn't have devolved into another identity crisis, have you?

I do see that you haven't gotten any smarter ;'}

September 2, 2005

Dean Logan
Records, Elections, and Licensing Services Division
King County Administration Building
500 4th Avenue
Room 553
Seattle, WA 98104
By facsimile to (206) 296-0108

Dear Mr. Logan,

On July 27th, I submitted a list to you of fourteen persons who are improperly registered in precinct 1823. I received your response yesterday. It indicates that you are not taking any substantive action to confirm that information and correct or cancel those registrations.

In your response you incorrectly stated, “State statute requires county auditors (or the elections director in King County) to register individuals to vote if the individuals submit voter registration forms that are complete and valid on their face”. I suggest that you re-read the statute carefully. RCW 29A.08.110(1) provides:

On receipt of an application for voter registration under this chapter, the county auditor shall review the application to determine whether the information supplied is complete. An application that contains the applicant's name, complete valid residence address, date of birth, and signature attesting to the truth of the information provided on the application is complete. If it is not complete, the auditor shall promptly mail a verification notice of the deficiency to the applicant. This verification notice shall require the applicant to provide the missing information. If the verification notice is not returned by the applicant or is returned as undeliverable the auditor shall not place the name of the applicant on the county voter list. If the applicant provides the required information, the applicant shall be registered to vote as of the date of mailing of the original voter registration application.

Nowhere is the phrase “valid on their face” used. You have the responsibility to determine whether the information is “complete”, where a necessary condition for being complete is defined as having a “valid residence address”. In other words, you must determine if the address is valid, not that it looks valid. The plain language meaning of “valid” is having legal efficacy or force. A residence address is obviously valid only if it is an abode and exists. An office is not a residence unless someone actually lives there. A non-existent address cannot be a residence. Your letter attempts to obfuscate this by introducing extraneous information about people who don’t have a residence or are service voters. There are other provisions for such registrants.

Regarding the incorrect registration of six persons at a non-existent 4th Avenue address, you refuse to take any action to correct those registrations even though those persons are voting in the wrong precinct. Your logic for accepting that address is unintelligible. You state that the address is apparently valid because the zip code provided shows that it should be 4th Avenue South. It probably should be 4th Avenue South. But why would that make the wrong address valid? You also state that there is no indication that the mail sent to these voters has been returned due to an invalid address. I suggest that you take the short walk from your office to that address on 4th Avenue – it’s not there! Do you find it acceptable for those persons to be registered in the wrong precinct?

I am quite disappointed that you continue to give excuses for refusing to carry out the responsibilities of your office.

Sincerely,

Robert M. Edelman

The more that's documented in letter form - (including Logan's replies)...the more evidence he provides for us...

His response to your original letter shows that either he has no understanding of basic state election laws - or - that he chooses to ignore them to perpetrate fraud for the benefit of his party.

Either way - he should not be in that position.

Just to remind him, King County found no less than 300 "new" ballots, every time they counted them.

Too bad, my bank can not find $300 more dollars on my monthly statement.

It is important when officials like Logan will not enforce the laws for citizens to enforce the laws.

In the old west, vigilantee committees were formed to make sure that certain laws got enforced, whether the sheriff got around to it or not.

The Republicans and certain noble citizens by personally challenging specific registered voters are sending a clear message to career politicians like Sims and Logan. Either enforce the laws or stand aside while citizens for vigilantee groups.

That really sends a cold shiver down a career politician's back and makes them want to rethink their lack of action. Most realize that once citizens get a taste for direct action democracy, it is hard to get them back into obedient serfs.

You're not done yet. Keep going. It isn't a good, full-blown, subject-changing, incoherent liberal rant until you've somehow worked in a references to Halliburton and Florida.

Keep working on obscuring the actual topic under discussion, Fog.

Can we run the entire 'Voter Database' past the Titles/Deeds/or zoning to cull non-residences directly?

That is, _my_ house is registered as a house somewhere as public information. That's how the banks know to send the never ending stream of 'refinance _now_' junk mail.

Running a cross match would give us, the appointed watchdogs of the elections, a list of everyone that needs challenging.

1) How many of these 1900+ people who live in mailboxes and storage units were credited with voting in November?

2) Is there enough evidence of deliberate ignoring and not fixing the problems of allowing illegally registered individuals (felons, mailboxes, dead people) to vote, allowing double voting, etc for someone to file an Equal Protection claim of some sort with the Feds? Preferably one that specifically names Sims and Logan?

Doesn't have to be in KC either. By their actions, they have devalued the vote of voters everywhere else in the state.

Nothing speaks so clearly as jail time.

The US Postal Service would have information on addresses zoned for business vs residential...in any area in King County.....
They probably get their zoning information from the *counties* and cities.... So - King County has this information already nice and neat and available in a database.

What do THEY do in their OWN homes when a toilet backs up and overflows? Ignore it and say "We are not plumbers?!" Get a clue--fix the (voting process) toilet. Do your job. Stop the excuses.

You should be also able to requests all the records out of a precinct. You could map them yourself and then check them at the assesors office.

The elections officials did police "dead" voters I believe.

Nobody can answer your question because nobody knows. Policy is made up on the fly, sometimes months after election day for ballots already rejected.

I'd say your friends should do whatever they want, because nobody seems to be watching.

Posted by Apache Fog at October 26, 2005 07:28 AM

Knowing how to spell Stefan's name proves to me that you are in a FOG, Apache Fog!