November 05, 2005
Liberal media misses the biggest issue in the mailbox voter challenge story

Seattle's liberal newspapers are interested in only one angle of the story that hundreds of voters are illegally registered at private mailboxes -- the fact that some GOP volunteers attempting to help clean up the problem made some mistakes.

The P-I: "GOP challenges rights of hundreds of voters"
The Times: "GOP admits it erred in challenging some voters' registration"

Both articles bury the fact that the vast majority of challenges were valid and against people who were illegally registered to vote claiming residence at private mail boxes and storage lockers. Neither article mentioned that King County used to prevent such illegal registrations until Dean Logan made a policy decision to change procedures to permit registrations at invalid addresses. The only reason that the GOP entered these challenges in the first place is because Dean Logan willfully violates election laws that protect legitimate voters from illegal voters.

I'll say again that I'm disappointed and embarrassed that the GOP volunteers weren't a lot more careful in preparing the list of challenges. They'd better pay closer attention to such details in the future. But the liberals who have their undies in a twist about this (including my good friend Dan Savage at The Stranger) have completely overlooked the single most important revelation in this episode -- when Republicans made a mistake, they acknowledged and corrected it immediately. That is in sharp contrast with Ron Sims and Dean Logan who habitually refuse to acknowledge their mistakes [Sims in audio]. Kudos to Savage and The Stranger for running my article about the illegal votes that King County knowingly counted last November. But there's a reason why it appeared in October, 11 months after the election -- because Sims and Logan covered up their mistakes and refuse to this day to own up to them.

The difference between people who admit and correct mistakes and those who only cover them up could never be more clear.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 05, 2005 10:39 AM | Email This
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1. You're exactly right Stefan. The real issue here is "why did these challenges even have to be made in the first place?" Because of the ineptitude of the Ron Sims / Dean Logan "leadership."

The truth is: Sims and Logan want there to be as many votes as possible. They feel it only helps their chances of winning. Having a fair election, right from the start, is nowhere on their agenda. You'd think this was a North Korean election system.

Posted by: YourGovernorCostMillion$ on November 5, 2005 11:09 AM
2. Republicans challenge illegal voters... BAD.
Democrats register illegal voters... GOOD.

Count every vote as many times as it takes to win.

Just what is the problem you all have with the democrat run machine at KCE?

Since the media doesn't see a problem, and they are so much more intelligent that us in the unwashed masses, we should just follow along like good sheeple.

As long as the "right" people stay in power the media won't do squat.

So shut up, shit down, pull out your wallet.

Vote:
Irons
Yes 912
Yes 900
No 901
Yes 330
No 336
Do not vote for any incumbent.
Clean house
send a message

RETURN GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE

The Revolution starts at the ballot box.

Posted by: JCM on November 5, 2005 11:12 AM
3. Hey, don't forget the liberal TV media while you're at it. From KING 5 and NWCN:

GOP letter causes confusion among King County voters

Now, I didn't note any reporting of the challenge when they were initially filed, weeks ago-they only report it when it's discovered that some were error.

Note, also the complete lack of coverage of Sharkansky v. King County

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on November 5, 2005 11:19 AM
4. REPUBLICANS FIND 1800 ILLEGALLY REGISTRED VOTERS IN KING COUNTY AFTER SIMS AND LOGAN CLAIMED THEY CLEANED UP VOTER ROLLS!!!!!!

enough said.

Posted by: Deborah on November 5, 2005 11:28 AM
5. CLOWNstein sez at SoundPolitics (nice of you to post on a professional Blog David):
” Reporters at both the Times and the P-I had most of the information I have… they have the names of the women involved in these incidents, and obviously, they couldn’t get them to talk on the record either.”

So how does CLOWNstein know what reporters at the Times and TASS have???? Are these fine masters of professional journalism sharing confidential information with a FRINGE LUNATIC LEFTIST PINHEADED BLOGGERCLOWN named David CLOWNstein???

I believe that the Sims Campaign feeds CLOWNstein….CLOWNstein posts and then the losers at the Times & P-I jump on it. This is a well-orchestrated sham!!

Thank you CLOWNstein for busting yourself…..again with the insight on what “reporters” at the TImes and P-I have.
You are truly a CLOWN!!

So your BIG SCOOP source of this thread is BONING one of Sims Campaign manager’s??!!! That’s just great Goldy.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 5, 2005 11:29 AM
6. Stephan,

I agree entirely with your criticism of the Republican Party.

I still wonder if the current leaders of this party have the competence to lead.

As time goes on and I see that the real facts about the 2004 election uncovered by a very competent blogger (Shark), you have to ask yourself where is (was) The State Republican Party in all of this?

It's my opinion that Chris Vance has his priorities backwards. If the King County Republican Party fails to get David Irons elected, Does anyone believe that any future election will be conducted fairly?

Posted by: jaybo on November 5, 2005 11:42 AM
7. Republicans are operating at about a 10% error rate, in an attempt to fix a .01% error rate.

Nice.

Posted by: Doc on November 5, 2005 11:45 AM
8. I was happy that TV news quickly showed the Chris Vance public apology. He did the right thing and quickly acknowleged it. And yes, I agreed that there was no reason to quit challenging registrations that truly deserve to be challenged. Keep going, GOP. they want you to stop righting the wrongs. Well forget it--that ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Misty on November 5, 2005 11:46 AM
9. An apology from a Republican? Don't tell Bush, or Cheney, or Libby, or Rove ...

Posted by: doc on November 5, 2005 11:49 AM
10. The "Librul Media" canard - the last refuge of a GOP Scoundrel.

Just for a second think about how YOU would feel if 4 days before an election some political hack came up with a completely bogus challenge to your voter registration - effectively trying to deny your right to vote?

Posted by: Robert on November 5, 2005 11:51 AM
11. My wife who is not a US citizen just received a jury summons for King County. Aren't voter registrations used for jury summons? If so, since she is not registered to vote in this country, why the summons?

Posted by: ronin on November 5, 2005 11:54 AM
12. and when blaming the liberal media fails they'll find some way to mention clinton

Posted by: doc on November 5, 2005 11:55 AM
13. No, Stefan, YOU are the one who is missing the biggest issue, as you and the GOP will find out soon enough, much to your dismay.

I completed calling all the voters on the challenge list in my Legislative District, and guess what? The majority of them who I contacted personally did not HAVE private mailboxes, but were registered to vote at the exact address at which they resided.

And you know what else? Some of them, I think, were Republicans. I say this because even though I identified myself as their Democratic District Chairman, I told them up front I didn't care how they voted, I only wanted to protect their right TO vote. Several of them volunteered the information that they were not necessarily Democrats.

You have no clue how (expletive deleted) people are to have their right to vote challened. No one I talked to, NO ONE, cut Chris Vance or Lori Sotelo any slack. They want them prosecuted and lawsuits brought.

I make no claim that my sample is representative, or that these challenges are all and entirely bogus. I found plenty of bad phone numbers, and if challenges are upheld, so be it. That's part of the process.

My point is that for the people who I did contact, they all repeated the same three words: "cheap political trick." I did not put those words into their mouths.

I can't wait to see thousands of voters at Canvassing Board hearings confronting Lori Sotelo and asking her to prove that their registrations are bogus.

Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Lori. You idiots. We'll toast you at the Sims landslide party.

Posted by: Ivan on November 5, 2005 11:59 AM
14. Ivan, will the Democratic party take any legal action?

Posted by: doc on November 5, 2005 12:16 PM
15. Robert swz:
"Just for a second think about how YOU would feel if 4 days before an election some political hack came up with a completely bogus challenge to your voter registration - effectively trying to deny your right to vote?"

Once again, Robert, Ivan and the rest of the CLOWNS focus on people's FEELINGS.....typical. The bottom-line is that every single once of the erroneous challenges is public and well known. I would love to see these CLOWNS drag someone in front of the cameras BEFORE the election and say they are not voting because of this. That would be hysterical, don't you think?!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 5, 2005 12:18 PM
16. They missed it, because they don't care about the truth. They have an agenda and telling the truth clearly isn't part of that agenda. They do care about being partisian hacks. I almost fell off of my chair, when I read the quote from Sims that said the Republicans don't want to work with us! Why would anyone want to keep working with Dean Logan? When did he ever fix a voter registration error that someone brought him in good faith?
What year was that in or better yet, what county was it in?

How many times does a sane person slam their own head against a wall, before they learn the wall hurts their head?

The Times and the PI has the information on the 390 missing ballots, have they run the story? NOOOOooo......

They have the story of Patricia A. Leveque who apparantely thinks she is entitled to TWO votes in all elections. They know she is double registered, they know she double voted last November, they know she was referred to the prosecuting attorney's office in Aug, they know she submitted TWO ballots in the primary, and they know she has submitted TWO ballots for the election Tuesday. Have they ran the story? NOOOOooo.....

They also have the story of Sims' campaign workers extorting people to host fund raisers for Sims and granting building permits for campaign dollars........ Have they run the story? NOOOOoooo.....

I am tired of seeing the MSM media twist and turn everything into a political fight. Anything that Chris Vance does, will be ripped to pieces to discredit him. I did read an interesting twist on the story this morning, that said the number was reduced to over 1700 after removing duplicates, but I can't find it now. When the good old Democrate party boys are exposed breaking state laws and making mistake after mistake ad nausem, the MSM turns their heads the other way. The fact that this story in the Times and PI became a "Republican Party screwed up" story is disgusting.

They deflected blame to Chris Vance as a coverup tactic for the continuing errors and incompetence of the King County election department. It is a shame and a sham! I am sorry that the party made a few mistakes, but I would be sorrier if they hadn't done anything. Go get them Chris! Keep the fire under their butts, it is the only way to get anything fixed in that morally corrupt den of operations that they call an election office.

I saw Michele Malkin on TV this morning pushing her new book and it's going on my christmas list. She said it was full of stories on democrats coming "unhinged," which is the name of the book. She also said that almost all of the examples of real bad behavior were totally ignored by the MSM.

It is extremely sad to see such sheer imcompetence by local and state officials. Imagine the impact of a commercial by Sam Reed, telling people their vote is important, but that everyone only gets ONE vote. If you receive two ballots in the mail, go to your elections office and turn one in and make sure that your election officials fix your registration. A lot of the problems with King County elections could be fixed by the media and the State elections department. They are advertising the last day to register to vote, but what they don't say is that you are supposed to vote absentee if you register by that date.

What is even worse is that no-one will investigate or fix any of the fraud, corruption, and downright criminal activities that are going on in this state. We have elections tampered with, we have brains being sold, we have girls in detention being raped deliberately with the people who are supposed to protect them setting up the rapes! And nobody does anything, the media doesn't report, the prosecuting attorney doesn't investigate or prosecute, the Attorney General is powerless, the Secretary of State is powerless, and our Governor won't do anything to upset the broken rusted machine that got her into office.

Judge Bridges said it was the people's job to fix it, that is exactly what Chris Vance is trying to do. He doesn't deserve to be slammed for it. Yes, they made mistakes and he apologized for it.

The media's job is to investigate and report and instead, we get served up partisian politics.

Disgusting!

Posted by: sgmmac on November 5, 2005 12:19 PM
17. I agree Stefan! as for Ivan &the other trolls when it comes to Sims I'd wait to celebrate your landslide party.

Posted by: Laurie on November 5, 2005 12:25 PM
18. Thank you sgmmac good post.

Posted by: Laurie on November 5, 2005 12:29 PM
19. This is all happening because these clowns at KCRE refused to do anything of substance up to now after all of the election reforms that were proposed and even in some cases promised. The coverup is quite clear !

So why is King County Government having a problem with the Repubs calling foul before the election ? (update: there were some mistakes made for which WSRP apologized to remove most of the egg on their face). Sims, Logan and his ilk have the audacity to whine and yell disenfranchisement now - they made their own bed here and are starting to wet it- if Sims gets fewer votes because of this - its his own damn fault !

Remove these clowns from office or on with the initiative to form Cascade County - there were no problems with f***ed up elections like this and the sewer of corruption before Logan was here - it all happened under Sims' watch.

Posted by: KS on November 5, 2005 12:38 PM
20. Unfortunately, the failure to exercise due diligence led to yet another situation in which the "MSM" treats the GOP allegations as something to be set aside while they wait to see just how many mistakes the GOP made.

The P-I: "Hundreds of worried and angry voters deluged the King County elections department Friday with calls...."

The Times: "The party dropped its challenges of 140 voters, and state GOP Chairman Chris Vance said more probably were challenged erroneously.

King County elections officials said they were flooded with hundreds of calls...."

It seems that no one yet knows how many of the challenges will turn out to be completely unfounded.

sgmmac at November 5, 2005 12:19 PM -- Please note this article in the Seattle Times, published on Oct. 14: "A woman accused by the King County Republican Party of voting twice in the November 2004 election and again in last month's primary is under a criminal investigation for double voting, a county election official said yesterday." That is Patricia Levesque, and it is obvious that the "MSM" ran the story.

And, note this story in The Seattle Times on Nov. 3: "With the general election less than a week away, King County Elections Director Dean Logan said Wednesday he doesn't know what happened to 390 ballots in the September primary." They ran the story.

I've seen an e-mail posted on Sound Politics that alleges a permits-for-contributions scam, but don't expect to see the "MSM" printing such a story until it is corroborated.

If the GOP had been more careful in their research of alleged felon voters and now of voters who are allegedly improperly registered, they might have more credibility with the "MSM," but they didn't and they don't.

It's a fact of life for now, and the GOP's carelessness is a big contributing factor. No rational reporter or editor would run out to publish a GOP allegation without waiting for the other shoe to fall, i.e., the evidence of just how wrong the GOP is once again.

Posted by: Micajah on November 5, 2005 12:46 PM
21. Why shouldn't Lori Sotelo be charged with multiple accounts of perjury for declaring she had "personal knowledge" the people living in the Watermarke Building didn't reside at the address where they registered?

Posted by: D. Andersen on November 5, 2005 12:58 PM
22. Ronin says: "My wife who is not a US citizen just received a jury summons for King County. Aren't voter registrations used for jury summons? If so, since she is not registered to vote in this country, why the summons?"

I had jury duty a few years ago. If I remember correctly, they get the names from a variety of lists: voter rolls, drivers licenses, etc. The summons comes with a little questionaire to complete and send back. They ask you if you're a citien. So Mrs. Ronin's received a jury summons doesn't mean she's on the list of registered voters.

Posted by: Emily on November 5, 2005 01:02 PM
23. The MSM is like the 12th man at a football game - cheering on the Democrats and making light of every mistake made by the opposition.

I have to say that the Republicans were too careless here again, just as they were in the Election contest hearing where they could have supplied 200 signed affadavits by convicted felons that stated that they voted for Gregoire, but they were careless in not taking that approach. That would have given Judge Bridges the evidence for him to throw out the election. How do I know this ? The Democrats added 5 votes to their advantage by providing 5 signed affadavits from convicted felons that voted for Rossi, which officially erased 5 Rossi votes.

The outcome of this challenge will not be known until after the election - one thing that it might do is discourage some voters from voting on Tuesday - if they haven't already and possibly create more stir among the skeptics and maybe change a few minds.

Posted by: KS on November 5, 2005 01:34 PM
24. More Moonbat Media Moments ---

Hello Muddah, Intafada: Have heard not one top-o'-the-hour radio news report about Paris riots that identifies the Paris rioters as, um, devotees of the Religion of Peace. Have heard several that identify France's besieged government as France's besieged "conservative" government. Now they tell us. When Chirac was flipping off America, he was one of them, one of the liberal good guys. Now that he's in trouble, he's one of us, a conservative. (Something similar happened when things tanked back in the USSR. Suddenly the old unreconstructed Commies, out of power, were labeled "conservative" by our unbiased media.)

Morning Sedition: Scooty Libber, as a media lib called him last week, is better than Viag*a for NPR's Old Dan Schorr. Dan the Man, "indicted" by Richard Helms for outing & vicariously killing CIA agents back when the CIA wasn't cool, was dancing in his drool this morning about Scooty's time of troubles. (Remember that Dandy Dan in 2004 demanded a conservative apology for his good friend, Sandy McPantload Berger, because mean-spirited conservatives vicously implied that Clintonista Berger had stuffed his knickers with classified docs from classified archives.)

Land of the Freeh: Last month Blue Dress Bill Clinton used his good friend Sandy Berger as a character witness to knock down FBI guy Louis Freeh's assertion that Clinton covered up the Khobar Towers attack and shook down the Saudis for Clinton Library $. The Seattle Times reported last month that Berger put Freeh, not ready for prime time, in his place in prime time. Like unbiased Dan Schorr, the unbiased Seattle Times failed to report that Clintonista Sandy Berger had, shall we say, a credibility gap in his boxers or briefs big enough to hold the national archives. (Freeh, in other words, got the full monte, or the full Willie, the treatment used so effectively against whistle blowers such as Gary Aldrich, Linda Tripp, Ken Starr, and Kathleen Willey. Nobody since Caligula has been better than the Clinton/Flynt administration at the politics of personal destruction. We should learn from those guys.)

The Seattle Times Lied, Truth Died: Three weeks ago the lying liars at the Times announced that "at Vice President Dick Cheney's request, Joe Wilson was assigned by the CIA in 2002 to investigate whether Saddam Hussein was seeking to acquire uranium from Niger for his nuclear program."

The Horror, the Horror: NPR's Linda Wertheimer reported this morning that two Scooty Libber impersonators came to her door for Trick or Treat. That's almost as frightening as having a Halloween visitation for Linda Wertheimer.


Posted by: sandalista on November 5, 2005 01:38 PM
25. Meant to type "a Halloween visitation FROM Linda Wertheimer."

Posted by: sandalista on November 5, 2005 01:43 PM
26. Micajah,

When I posted the words "run the story," I didn't mean type the immediate story line and slant it to cover up for the "officials." I sent an email to the writer of the Patricia story, Keith Ervin. I asked him why this woman allegedly under investigation by the prosecuting attorney's office was allowed to submit TWO absentee ballots for next Tuesday's election. That is the story.

Why wasn't her registration flagged? What has Dean Logan done about double voting? Is he continuing to allow it, because his version of the laws and rules in this state don't allow him to? Maybe he did take action, if so what did he do? What about the other 2000 + or - double registered voters? There was the story line from the Republicans, where is the investigative reporting? They immediately attacked the list trying to find errors in it and they are ignoring the fact that there are several thousand people in King County getting and and many are voting TWO or more ballots. Keith's reply to me said that another reporter was going to do the story. I'm still waiting.

The same goes for the 390 missing ballots. The story glosses over the truth. I read that story too. How about saying that our legislators passed a law last year requiring reconciliation of the ballots. It is law and it wasn't followed.
Furthermore, why isn't the state elections office following the law? Maybe because Nick Handy got his job from Republican Sam Reed via cronyism and Nick Handy doesn't know the first thing about elections?

I understand the frustration at research errors made by the Republican Party. But what they are trying to do isn't easy and it isn't cheap. Maybe some of us need to volunteer to help them either with time or money. They are fighting a very corrupt system, with obstacles and road blocks thrown in their face constantly. Why did they just receive the report? Where has it been?
Dean Logan and crew has fought off multitudes of public disclosure requests from Stefan. He had to file a lawsuit to get access to some of their records. I spent some time in the archives helping Stefan, and I saw with my eyes the delay tactics and the restraints of Dean Logan on those public records and Stefan. I saw run Stefan is beaurcratic circles the first morning I was up there. Thank heavens Stefan is tenacious and stubborn. He was nice and polite about it, but they definitely are into blocking and defense.

Do you really believe that they are cooperating with Chris Vance. Do you think Logan is releasing full and complete lists? The only way the truth will be known is if every office, every record, and all computers are turned inside out with a search warrant.

All of those hundreds of worried and angry voters wouldn't be worried or angry if Dean Logan was doing his job on a consistent basis. Whose job is it to ensure that voters have a valid address?
The election offices in our state or the political parties? While they were busy 6 months ago sending out cards for people to update their signatures, they should have been sending out cards telling people to give a valid residential address........... but NOOOoooo... Dean says that's not HIS job!

Posted by: sgmmac on November 5, 2005 02:03 PM
27. correction,

I saw them run Stefan........

Posted by: sgmmac on November 5, 2005 02:10 PM
28. Shark,

"The difference between people who admit and correct mistakes and those who only cover them up could never be more clear." Absolutely right.

Ivan,
Good job. Ivan says “No, Stefan, YOU are the one who is missing the biggest issue, as you and the GOP will find out soon enough, much to your dismay, . . . That these challenges are all and entirely bogus.” Wow! Ivan, what challenges, and how are they bogus? Chairman Vance admitted to the mistakes removing the challenges, and is taking all of the appropriate steps to correct them.

You only prove Stefan’s thesis--correcting mistakes versus covering them up. Thanks for taking his side (and mine) by making the "BIGGEST ISSUES" crystal clear. Your mentality says that the biggest issue here is that telling the truth is wrong because SOMEHOW it automatically establishes an intent to lie and deceive unless one is a Democrat, in which case the biggest issue is . . . not getting caught.”

You and Doc are a couple of silly addle brained nitwits.

Thanks for the amusing clarification on ethics.

Posted by: Amused by liberal logic on November 5, 2005 02:42 PM
29. Hey, what is the error rate? 10%, 20% 40%?? I guess that is a rate any bank would be proud of right Mr Sims?

Posted by: pbj on November 5, 2005 02:44 PM
30. Amused:

I'm glad it makes you feel better to call me names. After all, you righties are big on feelings and short on facts. It must be all that "faith-based" stuff.

As I said before, but as you chose to ignore, the majority of voters on the challenge list that I reached had been challenged even though they lived at the addresses at which they had registered, had lived there for years, and had never registered at any other address since moving there.

I am not aware that Vance had admitted to those mistakes in addition to the 140. Barring evidence to the contrary, I'm saying that the GOP made one heck of a lot more mistakes than Vance has admitted to.

What you say or think or feel is of no consequence. But I'm happy that you are amused.

Posted by: Ivan on November 5, 2005 02:51 PM
31. Jaybo,

You say “It's my opinion that Chris Vance has his priorities backwards. If the King County Republican Party fails to get David Irons elected, does anyone believe that any future election will be conducted fairly?” I don’t get it. What would be FORWARDS?

While I have not in the past been a particular fan of Chris Vance, everyone makes mistakes. He is improved considerably in my appreciation for doing the right and honorable thing in admitting to mistakes. That takes balls.

But, are you suggesting that Vance prove people like Ivan and Doc correct by lying like a Democrat? These two lazy morons would never have caught the mistake because they are too busy spinning lies to work at finding the truth. You, Vance, and I know that lying and covering up the truth never helps--it only damages one's integrity. Something liberals will never understand is that winning is not worth it, if one must lie to win.

Somehow I get the feeling this is not what you mean. Please clarify?

Posted by: Amused by liberals on November 5, 2005 02:53 PM
32. As usual, the trolls come oozing out from under whatever rock they procreate under...NOT to defend the indefensible, but to aggressively and vocally shrug their shoulders.

They champion and celebrate ineptitude. They see the achievement of mediocrity as the measure of a life well-lived. They stand for NOTHING, but boy, they sure feeeeel alot of stuff. As for me, I spit on mediocrity. I strive for excellence. When the GOP screws the pooch, I expect there to be hell to pay. I don't rush to the support of the party, come hell or high water.

Then there's doc, headlice, nelson, goldy, ivan, bruce, and their band of merry men. Really folks, you embarrass yourselves by rallying to the defense of boobs. How sad to be people of such little vision. With your attitudes, you will surely end up on the public dole.

Posted by: Danny on November 5, 2005 02:57 PM
33. The HA crowd can be seen weekly at you local food bank (With a regularity that any bank would be proud of). Nothin like a little Gov'ment Cheese to go with their Whine.

Posted by: Foodbankworker on November 5, 2005 03:02 PM
34. Danny:

I share your contempt for mediocrity. That's why I oppose George W. Bush, Dino Rossi, and David Irons. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Ivan on November 5, 2005 03:03 PM
35. I guess Ivan and company would have to qualify for an extra portion of "Blue" Cheese!

Posted by: Foodbankworker on November 5, 2005 03:06 PM
36. Ivan,

Well then we are both quite contented, me in being amused at your foolishness, and you pretending that you have accomplished something other than proving that you don't know “the difference between admitting and correcting mistakes and only covering them up.”

Your phone contacts are irrelevant. What do they prove? NOTHING!
We can be well reassured of one thing now though. If in fact the GOP made more mistakes and they find them or you find them, they will tell the truth.
Chris Vance is honest and liberals can't stand it so you will do anything to turn this into something it isn't. No matter what, in the long run and where it counts, your tactics will fail because they are fundamentally dishonest.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, and the one you that you obdurately and consistently ignore -- Ivan.
It couldn’t be clearer could it?

Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on November 5, 2005 03:12 PM
37. It is clear that Ivan dislikes the fact that George W. Bush, Dino Rossi, and David Irons don't share his ideals of socialism and contempt for facts.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on November 5, 2005 03:18 PM
38. Danny wrote:
" Really folks, you embarrass yourselves by rallying to the defense of boobs. How sad to be people of such little vision. "

Ivan is too wrapped in the culture war and has drunk too much kool-aid to be able to comprehend the nugget of Danny's
comment. He would rather see illegal elections, the ACLU agenda and other amenities such as the CAO land grab, wasting money in the hundreds of millions on computer systems that don't work at taxpayer expense. Clearly a recent product of the public school system.

Posted by: KS on November 5, 2005 03:19 PM
39. KS is too wrapped in the culture war and has drunk too much kool-aid to be able to comprehend the nugget of Danny's comment. He would rather see illegal elections, the religious right agenda and other amenities such as tax cuts for the rich, corporate cronyism, outing of CIA agents, no-bid contracts for campaign supporters, intelligent design, letting polluters write the law, wasting money in the hundreds of millions on wars begun on false pretenses at taxpayer expense. Clearly a recent product of the faith-based home school system.

That was too easy.

Posted by: Ivan on November 5, 2005 03:37 PM
40. Listen doc, Ivan, and the rest of you Commie Bastards.

Yes I am calling you a Communist, and an enemy of our traditional liberal democracy which Constitutionally is run as a Representative Republic.

While I seriously doubt you can even begin to comprehend the depth of meaning in the above sentence, I will tell you you should read the following documents before you dare open you yaps again.

The Declaration of Independence
The Constitution
The Federalist Papers
Common Sense
Washington's Inaugurals
Washington's Farewell
Lincoln's Inaugurals
The Gettysburg Address

For a start, and yes there will be a test if you continue to post here.

Our right to vote, then have the votes counted in a honest, open transparent, legitimate, accurate way is fundamental to the very existence of this Republic.

Anyone and I mean anyone who defends the system at KCE is willfully aiding in the undermining of our Republic.

It is that serious. As serious as 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. Those where physical attacks on people and things. Sims, Logan and defenders like you are underming the very foundation of this Republic.

You Commie Bastard Trolls defend KCE not based on any facts, Shark has long since blown any pathetic argument you can make out of the water.

Your one and only reason for defending Sims and Logan et. al. and the performance at KCE is partisan. Partisan power politcals.

You and your ilk want to hold power above anything else. Above the Constitution, above law, above logic, above rationality. As a result you are willing the support even the most outrageous behavior, illegal actions, simple because it is your side committing the actions.

Sims and cabal without a doubt have thwarted the will of the people in an election. Despite all the vacuous rhetoric from them nothing has changed.

Sims agenda is radically socialist, his method of holding power resembles Stalinism with only the mass graves missing.

That make him in my book a communist, all power to the state, and all means to hold power.

I have had it with your ilk defending the indefensible.

Defend the actions of KCE, Logan and Sims. You can't. The evidence is too damning. Even Judge Bridges excoriated KCE.

As long as you're willing to throw our election systems out the window, your are an enemy of the our Republic.

You have no respect for the law and institutions of this country.

You disgust me to no end.

Just remember this, as long as the people believe the ballot box reflects the will of the people we can continue regardless of who is elected, we will work through the legislative, and legal processes.

But when absolute faith in the effectiveness of the ballot is lost. Restoration of the Republic will become necessary by whatever means necessary. If have fought 2 wars for this ideal.

I for one refuse to lose what we have gained, waste the treasure spent, desecrate the blood spilled to establish and maintain this Republic.


/rant off

Posted by: JCM on November 5, 2005 03:37 PM
41. Unfortunately, JCM, our "friends" from the left can't be swayed by your arguments. In order for that to happen, they'd have to possess some type of moral grounding. As it is, their world view is solely a function of what they feel.

As James Carville said of Bill Clinton...there's no "there" there. Although we can give Ivan a real big "atta boy" for insisting on making an a** of himself.

Posted by: Danny on November 5, 2005 03:43 PM
42. JCM,

Dittoes.

Ivan,

You are my favorite liberal today. Unlike the other hit-and-run liberal trolls, you stand and put up a fight-such as it is (that you know of).
I guess the fact that you lost the last one is why you quit that one, otherwise you could have regaled us all with more dimwitted bull$hit.
You are so content to open your yap and expose how utterly foolish and shameless you are that I can't thank you enough.

You are truly amusing. Thanks for the laughs.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on November 5, 2005 03:49 PM
43. Amused:

I aim to please. Unlike Cynical, I try to troll with some style. We will raise a toast to you, and to that steadfast patriot JCM (does that stand for Joseph C. McCarthy?), at the Sims landslide party Tuesday night.

Posted by: Ivan on November 5, 2005 04:10 PM
44. Ivan - your'e a schmoozing left wing nut who has no original ideas, until demonstrated otherwise. No home schooling here. rant on.

Posted by: KS on November 5, 2005 04:24 PM
45. Ivan,

I can live with Sims wining.

But if the election is within a thousand votes do you trust KCE?

Sims is in a tight race. He could have won it running away with some simple steps.

Fire Logan.
Bring in an outside 3rd party auditor.
Respond with aclarity to the auditors findings.

Sims, instead reponds with:
Problems? We don't have problems, we have an accuracy right a bank would be proud of.
Use Sims insider to investigate.

Logan is still in charge.

No substantive changes made at KCE.

Sims gets relected by an election department with multitude of problems run by cronies, inpected by friends of Sims.

Tell me why I should trust the results? Do you really believe 'ol Fidel gets over 95% of the vote?

By way the KGB archives make very interesting reading. Joesph C. was mostly right in the targets of his probes.

Posted by: JCM on November 5, 2005 04:31 PM
46. Ivan,

There may be other mistakes, given the way that they had to check the addresses. The point is if Dean Logan and crew were doing their jobs, they wouldn't have to make lists.......
There are hundreds of people registered with PO Boxes, they have addresses where they have lived for years. There is a difference between a home address and a mail address. Most people may not even know that they must give up their home address and that they still can have the ballots mailed to their post office boxes. If you don't give your home address, you may not be voting in the right district.

Posted by: sgmmac on November 5, 2005 04:33 PM
47. JCM, nice neighborly sentiment. You talk to your God with that mouth?

Posted by: doc on November 5, 2005 04:40 PM
48. Ivan:
I called Madonna today and had a nice chat. She invited me to lunch, but I was already busy becuse I had just spoken with Barbara Streisand and Al Pacina a few moments earlier and made plans for the day. Spoke to Henry Kissinger, too. Believe me?

Posted by: katomar on November 5, 2005 04:41 PM
49. I must say that this political stunt by Chris Vance shows why no Republican ever wins in Washington State. Why would you do this now?? While I am sure that the Republicans got it right on 90% of the voter challenges, you have to know what the story will be the next day. The Liberal media will drag out the most emotionally charged individual,( poor, likely African American, probably a single mother) and have them say how the Republicans are taking away there right to vote. So just when the Republicans are on the verge of something good, they go and shoot themselves in the foot.

FIRE CHRIS VANCE, as a Republican I want a competent leader. He can never resist the chance to make himself the story. Please just get the hell out of the way and let the candidates call the shots. Do not give the opposition, who is on the defensive some ammunition less than 4 days before the election. Let Sims stay on the defensive about the elections office inability to reconcile, do not change the new cycle over a few thousand votes. Let the election happen, if those few thousand votes cost you the election, then challenge, not now, not when you are ahead.

If Irons loses over this fiasco by Chris Vance, we need new leadership.


Posted by: Craig on November 5, 2005 05:01 PM
50. Ivan,

You got the Patriot part right about JCM. His points are all well taken.

You can raise all of the toasts you likeand anywhere you like, but win or lose, you can't win, because you are fundamentally on the wrong side of the truth.
Winning fights by poisoning wells eventually seeps everywhere. While there is room for disagreement about a lot of things, simple fundamentals tell all.

Chris Vance and Ron Sims may both be inept, but Vance owns up to the truth.
Sims is a populist dreamer who runs away from facts, and if elected again he will do our region great harm.

I especially enjoy doc and his "God" routine, who does he think he's kidding?

Thanks.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on November 5, 2005 05:21 PM
51. JCM, THANK YOU

Posted by: Mark on November 5, 2005 06:21 PM
52. Ahhh....The trolls....

They post here on this issue in an effort to distract from the truth...
It's in their playbook! They are terrified that the citizens of this state will know and understand that 1800 people illegally registered to vote - using mailbox rentals and storage unit addresses as their residences! We saw this after last Novembers election and pointed it out... (They went nuts in the blog back then too!)

The Republicans challenges are valid to 1800 illegal voters! Gregoire won by 130 votes! The trolls have good cause to be terrified....

The MSM can spin this anyway they want - but the voters are already aware of the truth and the illegal voters are now on notice....Spin away!

Heh...I dare these illegal mail box/storage unit voters to vote in this election! Your so-called *residences* are being photographed. There is no way for you to win these challenges...

Spin away!

Posted by: Deborah on November 5, 2005 07:00 PM
53. What's up doc? I'd tread real lightly if I were you. Especially if you're agnostic/atheist. Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

(and I'm confident the analogy will be completely lost on you, but JCM gets it)

Posted by: Danny on November 5, 2005 08:00 PM
54. Wow! What a day!

Deborah is right - the trolls only come out when they are troubled. The frantic rhetoric is only exceeded by their vitriol...things must really be bad!

JCM, Amused, you guys are inspired today! Let's hope that the crap that passes for reason by these lefty mental midgets isn't par for the Liberal course. Who in their right mind would tolerate slap-dash illegal elections? Why would they willingly and enthusiastically condone the waste fraud and corruption of a government entity (WSDOT) that doesn't even pander to their interests? How could they possibly continue to support a crook like sims if not for the cheapest of partisan interests?

How can these cretins look in the mirror?!

My guess is that, when they do happen across a mirror that they haven't broken, they see no reflection. You know, even little bird-brains learn early on that you don't sh!t in your own nest. Dogs instinctively know that you don't sh!t where you eat. Yet these pathetic morons insist on ruining the very foundation that makes our community function.

They tax hard working folks to hand it out to those who won't. They come up with the most idiotic cock-eyed schemes to spend out transportation dollars....notions that do nothing to address the needs and desires of the communities they "serve", but appeal to the fast money that keeps them in positions of authority.

I've seen enough elections to know that 'rats are really good at running for office (even if they're equally lousy at actually serving). Maybe it's the natural con-man in them. Maybe they just see that folks are gullible and easy to exploit. Whatever the case, it's imperative that we continue to hold hope that the good people of Washington state, Western Washington, and especially King County see through the flim-flams of the liberals and return us to the great state we once were.

Posted by: alphabet soup on November 5, 2005 09:13 PM
55. Danny, I get the analogy. It's the same one Delay is using as his defense. You all feeling a bit paranoid these days?

Funny, I remember the last time all us Trolls came 'round, there was a trial, an attempt to unseat a Governor ... can't remember who was right?

Posted by: doc on November 5, 2005 11:21 PM
56. It certainly wasn't you! It wasn't a trial to unseat anyone you twit, it was to challenge a faulty election. The theft of the seat came at the end....

Posted by: alphabet soup on November 5, 2005 11:31 PM
57. Sorry, doc. As I was confident, the analogy was completely lost on you. It had nothing to do with paranoia. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. And therein lies the problem. You and your troll comrades are a scary stupid lot. You actually think you've got it working in the grey matter area.

BUT, we do have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Posted by: Danny on November 6, 2005 05:47 AM
58. Who the HELL is IVAN? Any yahoo can write on the comments section of a BLOG that they checked this or did that. Me myself, I am Bill Clinton, and I want to say I did not have sex wuth thut womun!

Hey "Ivan", or David Goldstein, or who ever you are, until you are ready to tell us your REAL name, so that what you say can actually be checked out, you are nothing but a 13 yr old in momma's basement spending toomuch time playing video games and surfing the net.

Posted by: pbj on November 6, 2005 11:28 AM
59. pbj,

Ever notice how trolls seldom use a real email address?

Posted by: JCM on November 6, 2005 06:19 PM
60. pbj - ivan is a third-rate political wanna-be who cleans the restrooms for the 'rats in the 34th district. If you ask him real nice, he might show you how he gets those urinals to shine!

Posted by: alphabet soup on November 6, 2005 09:31 PM
61. who the hell is pbj?

Hey "Ivan", Hey pbj, or David Goldstein, or who ever you are, until you are ready to tell us your REAL name, so that what you say can actually be checked out, you are nothing but a 13 yr old in momma's basement spending toomuch time playing video games and surfing the net.

Posted by: Doc on November 7, 2005 03:56 AM
62. Hey alphabet soup, isn't it weird liberals never use their real names?

Posted by: Doc on November 7, 2005 03:59 AM
63. Ya know doc, there are three basic types of posters here at SP

1. The serious, sincere guy (or gal) who is interested in information and only posts appropriate questions and comments. There have been two or three liberals that fit this description. I really like reading these guys because they are insightful and informative. And often funny.

2. Ideological debaters who come to spar with their political enemies. Lot's of trolls here - few with anything resembling true advocacy for their side, or even a real argument, just rhetoric and venom. The vast majority of liberals fit this category because they have nothing of intellectual value to offer, but they can still be entertaining because of their delivery (or sometimes in spite of it ;'}

3. Morons. Pay attention because this pertains to you. Morons come here to show how completely insipid and degenerate they are. They have nothing of any value to say (but of course that doesn't stop them from spewing!). It is embarrassing to read their crap because you feel sorta sorry for them - it must suck to live in a world that offers such limitless horizons, and not be able to think beyond the end of your nose.

Of all the posters and all the comments that I've seen since I first came here, there is one common element - the first categories offer largely thoughtful posts that are relevant, and largely clever. Morons never do. The best they can do is idiotic parroting of someone else's work. They are the equivalent of the monkeys flinging excrement at one another.

So doc, why don't you pull your head out, stop flinging sh!t, and stop being a moron!

Posted by: alphabet soup on November 7, 2005 07:16 AM
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