Mark Griswold sent me an e-mail exchange he had with David Bailey, manager of Rich Berkowitz's rapidly imploding campaign for Port Commission. (For background, see this post)
In his e-mail, Bailey, who is officially speaking on behalf of Berkowitz, demeans Republicans and conservative bloggers and declares that he does not want our support.
I encourage everybody I know to vote for Lloyd Hara, who is a man of integrity and has worked hard to earn the support of both Republicans and Democrats.
UPDATE: be sure to read more of the correspondence from David Bailey posted in the comments. I asked him to forward his remarks to his boss and for Mr. Berkowitz to e-mail me directly and state whether he stands by Bailey's statements. Bailey refused to do so. If anybody reading this knows Berkowitz's e-mail, you might want to give him a courteous heads up that his campaign manager is out of control and causing damage to Berkowitz' political future.
Bailey's original e-mail follows --
From: Berkowitz Reply [mailto:berkowitz.reply@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:08 AM To: Mark Griswold Subject: Re: Dirty Campaign Ad (that will almost certainly backfire)Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 07, 2005 10:07 AM | Email ThisDear Mr. Griswold,
To say that pointing out something clearly factual is an ugly campaign tactic shows a scant knowledge of politics, Republican politics in particular, and the truth.
Mr. Thomas has offered no proof of his allegations and, although the conservative blogging community rarely demands facts, one would suppose that a person in your position of responsibility might, assuming that being that a GOP Chair in the 43rd legislative district makes you responsible to any but a tiny minority.
While Rich Berkowitz has, for 20 years, been representing the interests of both the labor and industry groups who actually use the Port for maritime commerce, Mr. Hara has no significant backing by anyone who uses the Port for anything but politics and possibly real estate development. His political outreach to party functionaries seems to be the sum total of his effort to validate his campaign and it is right, proper and entirely correct for our campaign to point this out. It may well be that you think that it was a wise choice for Mr. Hara to reach out to Dino Rossi but I think the voters of the 43rd district may disagree.
Obviously it is beneath dignity to respond to rumor-mongering, particularly when the rumor is absurd and one is, by all appearances, addressing the rumor-monger himself.
I would suggest that, as a Hara supporter, you campaign for Mr. Hara in the 43rd legislative district ACTIVELY and AS A REPUBLICAN In fact, I could not encourage you more enthusiastically to do so. If you= like, I will happily provide you lists of doors to knock.
Yours,
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
On 11/4/05, Mark Griswold wrote:Richard, you've hit a new low. Your recent ad touting that people shouldn't vote for Lloyd Hara because he sought the endorsement of Dino Rossi and the KCGOP has got to be the ugliest campaign tactic this side of Ron Sims.
YOU YOURSELF SOUGHT THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE KCGOP! If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is (although, being a Republicans, that analogy is a bit lacking since I, of course, do not consider the Republican party "black" in the sense that adage conveys).
And another thing, I've heard some nasty rumors going around that your wife is claiming to be a 43rd District Republican PCO. I'm not saying that you have anything to do with them but you just might want to watch out about what's going around town.
Mark Griswold
43rd District GOP Chair and Hara supporter.
Out of all six general election contenders for the three port seats, Berkoshitz has to win the contest for the basest character and lack of morals. Hara is the clear choice for responsible and honest governance.
Personally, I have a strong interest in the Jolley-Davis contest -- having run against Pat Davis in the primary and backing Jack Jolley in the general. While I think Pat Davis needs to be retired from the port commission, and don't think she is showing much competence in managing either the port or her personal finances, I still think she is a pretty nice lady. By contrast, Berkoshitz is just an arrogant turd.
Posted by: Richard Pope on November 7, 2005 10:20 AMHey--that's great, because he never had it to begin with!
Posted by: whatever! on November 7, 2005 10:45 AMHe's right. Don't you know that politics is all about hate and blame? Geez, you'd think people should have manors and respect people's right to hold an opposing opinion backed by a plan for tackling hard issues.
Remember, conservative bloggers, generally report and comment based on facts. Good ole Berky believes that facts are only what come from MoveOn.org talking points.
Posted by: Dengle on November 7, 2005 10:48 AMBut TURD works too!
Need I say any more?
A bigger, festering sleezeball you won't find. Looks like he's surrounded himself with the same.
Posted by: jimg on November 7, 2005 12:02 PM-----Original Message-----
From: Berkowitz Reply [mailto:berkowitz.reply@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:27 AM
To: mark@wellesann.com
Subject: Re: Dirty Campaign Ad (that will almost certainly backfire)
Mr. Griswold,
Indeed I am sure that you are not at all sure who Mr. Thomas is and that you don't care. He is only the source of the story you tout. Why would even bother to read the story? You don't need the facts, as I indicated in my previous writing.
Not only is Rich focusing on the issues, Mr. Hara would, to judge from his utterances, be singularly hobbled if he were not able to access Mr. Berkowitz's informed opinions in order to harvest credible language with which to address questions about Port issues.
If you are not a rumor-monger then how would you describe a person who publishes an absurd and utterly untrue "rumor" on a popular Internet blog? You are the ONLY source of that so-called rumor, not surprising since it bears the indelible watermark of private fantasy. You say you only discussed it with your fiancee (pity the woman) and me. Is the SoundPolitics blog your fiancee or is there no lie too blatant for you and your ilk? You "wanted to let [me] know," is that it? Do you expect me to believe that for one single moment or is there some other explanation for your callow, nonsensical excuse?
You are, personally, a fount of smear and yet you would accuse me of being a "despicable politician?" If, indeed, you had any political relevance whatsoever that might be something more than laughable. It is not.
Spread all the rumors you want and everyone will know from where they came as indeed they must already. If anyone cares to listen to your lies, he is a fool.
Again I encourage you to campaign ACTIVELY for Mr. Hara AS A REPUBLICAN. I cannot encourage that strongly enough. Please endorse him as personally and as loudly as you can. I believe his campaign richly deserves your particular brand of loudness.
Yours,
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
And my reply:
Oh, you mean, Mr. Terry Thomas. A fine, fine individual who, oh wait!, works in the shipping container business. So much for your claim that no one who deals in port issues has endorsed Lloyd Hara (curious to as what the Longshoremen’s Union and the Teamsters would say to that as well because last time I checked they were pretty powerful folks and I’m pretty sure a large portion of them work at the port (in fact, I’d love to see you go before a bunch of Longshoremen and tell them that they’re nobodys. I wonder how long you would last before every single bone in your body was crushed)).
Anyway, I think it’s funny how you seem to think you have a bigger grasp on politics than I do yet your campaign strategy is to tell 40% of voters (based on last year’s governor’s race totals) that you don’t want their support. Sure, I know that the object of the game is to only to get 50%+1, but I’ve never met a political strategist who says to go about doing that by telling 2/5th of the voters to p*ss off.
Going back to the rumor-mongering allegations, yes, okay, I did post that on SP and I’ll admit to that because I’m an honest person who always owns up to things. However, I didn’t post that tidbit until after your campaign started the poor campaign tactics. I figured at that point it was fair game to let everyone know what a piece of garbage you were.
And finally, as to my political relevance, good luck EVER winning ANYTHING if you discount the grassroots. Maybe I only received 9,586 votes when I ran against Chopp last year and maybe I only preside over a district with 10-15 thousand Republicans but before you start minimizing my influence today, lest I gain in stature tomorrow (and I mean that figuratively) you might want to pick up a little book by a man name Machiavelli.
By the way, what’s Rich going to do for a job after tomorrow? Hopefully I-330 will pass so Bobbie still has a job to go to!
Oh, and don’t worry, this will get posted on Sound Politics too.
"Mr. Griswold,
Can you get anything right? It was a nice start with actually reading the story, but you seem to have trouble getting more than a few things right in a row. Of course the ILWU does back us, as even a cursory perusal of the FACTS would reveal, but again, what do you care about the facts?
As a matter of fact, we are not telling any voters we don't want their support, we are just telling liberal voters that Mr. Hara is playing both ends against the middle, as he is. Rich's significant business background (as opposed to Mr. Hara's dearth of relevant business experience) is quite enough for sound-minded business-conservative Republicans, if not for ideological half-wits.
By the way, it's not a rumor-mongering "allegation" if it's true which, of course, even you now admit. I guess there are some facts so glaringly obvious that even someone like you cannot ignore them. You started rumor-mongering, not because you found out about anything because, of course, you didn't. You didn't even read the story you claim to be upset about. You did it because you are the kind of person who rumor-mongers and you lied to me about it because you are the kind of person who only takes personal responsibility when he is forced to - not surprising.
I'm glad you found out that Bobbie Berkowitz works in health care. I thought you just made things up about people's families. Of course if you knew anything about politics you would know that attacking people's families is considered the lowest, most unacceptable form of political combat.
Macchiavelli would advise me not to waste time on an enemy who is rude but insignificant, and unless you start showing some respect for the facts and respect for decency in general, I shall take his counsel and ignore you hereafter.
That said, I encourage you once again, in the strongest terms, to do all you personally can to let the voters know that people like you support Lloyd Hara.
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port"
Mr. Sharkansky et al,
You must have squealed with delight when your little troll Griswold got me to respond to him. I did it, not only because you show fail to show the least respect for journalistic integrity with a one-source story, but because you and your ilk stoop to absurd rumor-mongering about a candidate's family and that is absolutely appalling. I will not allow such a slight from such a low person to go unanswered and I am happy to respond in public. Indeed, all my responses to the rumor-monger Griswold are on your blog.
Republicans who know the issues are supporting Rich Berkowitz on a personal basis and we welcome their support. Businesses that actually use the Port are supporting Rich Berkowitz. You do not speak to these sensible people because their standards are too high for you. Let me now encourage you to spread your endorsement of Lloyd Hara as broadly as possible so people may know the quality of those who feel inclined to associate themselves with his candidacy.
Otherwise, retreat back under your rock, into insignificance, you rumor-mongering cur.
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
This is fun and since I’ve got a few spare moments today I think I’ll continue to banter with you, Davey. Let’s start from the end and work our way backwards, shall we? Please tell me how mentioning Bobbie’s profession is attacking someone’s family. Last time I checked, being a health-care professional was a noble profession. Is Rich ashamed of his wife’s job or was that just your personal interjection.
As far as your definition of allegation, well, I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one. You’re alleging that I’m rumor-mongering. Well, as I said before, I was only pointing out something that I had heard, never said it was true, and didn’t do it until your campaign fired the first salvo.
Now on to “sound minded business conservatives Republicans.” Good luck with that. Everybody’s gotta have a dream, as I always say. Do you really think these folks will be voting for Rich after you’ve lambasted them for their political affiliations both in print and now on this blog (because, as you’re aware, this is all being transcribed to SoundPolitics)?
And finally, I’ve saved the best for last. I can’t get anything right? I have a problem with FACTS? Sure, I’ll give you a few of the ILWUs, but local 52 endorsed Lloyd. So who cares about facts now?
I dare you not to respond. Come one, Davey. I know you can’t resist the urge to engage me in email banter and dig Rich deeper and deeper into a hole (who knows, you keep digging you might reach China. Now there’s a trade plan I haven’t seen yet)
Mark Griswold
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If you want to read Political Family Trashing, you need to go next door to Horsesass.org.
You must have meant to post your accusation there, not here on SP.
Thankyou
Chris Nichols
Mark Griswold to me
Richard, you’ve hit a new low. Your recent ad touting that people shouldn’t vote for Lloyd Hara because he sought the endorsement of Dino Rossi and the KCGOP has got to be the ugliest campaign tactic this side of Ron Sims.
YOU YOURSELF SOUGHT THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE KCGOP! If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is (although, being a Republicans, that analogy is a bit lacking since I, of course, do not consider the Republican party “black” in the sense that adage conveys).
And another thing, I’ve heard some nasty rumors going around that your wife is claiming to be a 43rd District Republican PCO. I’m not saying that you have anything to do with them but you just might want to watch out about what’s going around town.
Mark Griswold
43rd District GOP Chair and Hara supporter.
Dear Mr. Griswold,
To say that pointing out something clearly factual is an ugly campaign tactic shows a scant knowledge of politics, Republican politics in particular, and the truth.
Mr. Thomas has offered no proof of his allegations and, although the conservative blogging community rarely demands facts, one would suppose that a person in your position of responsibility might, assuming that being that a GOP Chair in the 43rd legislative district makes you responsible to any but a tiny minority.
While Rich Berkowitz has, for 20 years, been representing the interests of both the labor and industry groups who actually use the Port for maritime commerce, Mr. Hara has no significant backing by anyone who uses the Port for anything but politics and possibly real estate development. His political outreach to party functionaries seems to be the sum total of his effort to validate his campaign and it is right, proper and entirely correct for our campaign to point this out. It may well be that you think that it was a wise choice for Mr. Hara to reach out to Dino Rossi but I think the voters of the 43rd district may disagree.
Obviously it is beneath dignity to respond to rumor-mongering, particularly when the rumor is absurd and one is, by all appearances, addressing the rumor-monger himself.
I would suggest that, as a Hara supporter, you campaign for Mr. Hara in the 43rd legislative district ACTIVELY and AS A REPUBLICAN. In fact, I could not encourage you more enthusiastically to do so. If you like, I will happily provide you lists of doors to knock.
Yours,
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
Mark Griswold to me
Not sure who Mr. Thomas is but that is beside the point. If I really didn’t like want to vote for your candidate before I REALLY, REALLY don’t want to vote for him now after receiving an email that questions my knowledge of politics, my responsibility within the Republican Party and my dignity.
You’re obviously have a poor grasp on what ugly is. Saying that someone has the support of one party (and, of course, not pointing out that Hara was also endorsed by the King County Democrats) is NOT FOCUSING ON THE ISSUES. That’s sinking down to a low, ugly level. AND THAT’S NOT EVEN THE REASON I THINK IT WAS UGLY! My only question for you is, if the KCGOP had decided to endorse your candidate over Hara, what would your mail pieces and newspaper ads have said then?
As for me being the rumor monger, watch what you say. I haven’t spread that rumor that I heard to anyone other than my fiancée and you (because I wanted to let you know that it was going around so you could take whatever actions you cared to.)
You are truly the most despicable politician I’ve ever run across (and, before you question me again, I’ve run across quite a few).
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Mr. Griswold,
Indeed I am sure that you are not at all sure who Mr. Thomas is and that you don't care. He is only the source of the story you tout. Why would even bother to read the story? You don't need the facts, as I indicated in my previous writing.
Not only is Rich focusing on the issues, Mr. Hara would, to judge from his utterances, be singularly hobbled if he were not able to access Mr. Berkowitz's informed opinions in order to harvest credible language with which to address questions about Port issues.
If you are not a rumor-monger then how would you describe a person who publishes an absurd and utterly untrue "rumor" on a popular Internet blog? You are the ONLY source of that so-called rumor, not surprising since it bears the indelible watermark of private fantasy. You say you only discussed it with your fiancee (pity the woman) and me. Is the SoundPolitics blog your fiancee or is there no lie too blatant for you and your ilk? You "wanted to let [me] know," is that it? Do you expect me to believe that for one single moment or is there some other explanation for your callow, nonsensical excuse?
You are, personally, a fount of smear and yet you would accuse me of being a "despicable politician?" If, indeed, you had any political relevance whatsoever that might be something more than laughable. It is not.
Spread all the rumors you want and everyone will know from where they came as indeed they must already. If anyone cares to listen to your lies, he is a fool.
Again I encourage you to campaign ACTIVELY for Mr. Hara AS A REPUBLICAN. I cannot encourage that strongly enough. Please endorse him as personally and as loudly as you can. I believe his campaign richly deserves your particular brand of loudness.
Yours,
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
Mark Griswold to me
Oh, you mean, Mr. Terry Thomas. A fine, fine individual who, oh wait!, works in the shipping container business. So much for your claim that no one who deals in port issues has endorsed Lloyd Hara (curious to as what the Longshoremen’s Union and the Teamsters would say to that as well because last time I checked they were pretty powerful folks and I’m pretty sure a large portion of them work at the port (in fact, I’d love to see you go before a bunch of Longshoremen and tell them that they’re nobodys. I wonder how long you would last before every single bone in your body was crushed)).
Anyway, I think it’s funny how you seem to think you have a bigger grasp on politics than I do yet your campaign strategy is to tell 40% of voters (based on last year’s governor’s race totals) that you don’t want their support. Sure, I know that the object of the game is to only to get 50%+1, but I’ve never met a political strategist who says to go about doing that by telling 2/5th of the voters to pi*s off.
Going back to the rumor-mongering allegations, yes, okay, I did post that on SP and I’ll admit to that because I’m an honest person who always owns up to things. However, I didn’t post that tidbit until after your campaign started the poor campaign tactics. I figured at that point it was fair game to let everyone know what a piece of garbage you were.
And finally, as to my political relevance, good luck EVER winning ANYTHING if you discount the grassroots. Maybe I only received 9,586 votes when I ran against Chopp last year and maybe I only preside over a district with 10-15 thousand Republicans but before you start minimizing my influence today, lest I gain in stature tomorrow (and I mean that figuratively) you might want to pick up a little book by a man name Machiavelli.
By the way, what’s Rich going to do for a job after tomorrow? Hopefully I-330 will pass so Bobbie still has a job to go to!
Oh, and don’t worry, this will get posted on Sound Politics too.
Mr. Griswold,
Can you get anything right? It was a nice start with actually reading the story, but you seem to have trouble getting more than a few things right in a row. Of course the ILWU does back us, as even a cursory perusal of the FACTS would reveal, but again, what do you care about the facts?
As a matter of fact, we are not telling any voters we don't want their support, we are just telling liberal voters that Mr. Hara is playing both ends against the middle, as he is. Rich's significant business background (as opposed to Mr. Hara's dearth of relevant business experience) is quite enough for sound-minded business-conservative Republicans, if not for ideological half-wits.
By the way, it's not a rumor-mongering "allegation" if it's true which, of course, even you now admit. I guess there are some facts so glaringly obvious that even someone like you cannot ignore them. You started rumor-mongering, not because you found out about anything because, of course, you didn't. You didn't even read the story you claim to be upset about. You did it because you are the kind of person who rumor-mongers and you lied to me about it because you are the kind of person who only takes personal responsibility when he is forced to - not surprising.
I'm glad you found out that Bobbie Berkowitz works in health care. I thought you just made things up about people's families. Of course if you knew anything about politics you would know that attacking people's families is considered the lowest, most unacceptable form of political combat.
Macchiavelli would advise me not to waste time on an enemy who is rude but insignificant, and unless you start showing some respect for the facts and respect for decency in general, I shall take his counsel and ignore you hereafter.
That said, I encourage you once again, in the strongest terms, to do all you personally can to let the voters know that people like you support Lloyd Hara.
David Bailey
Campaign Manager
Berkowitz for Port
While Mark's emails & posts haven't been all sweetness and light, you are representing a man who wants to help oversee one of the most important ports in the world. I would expect significantly more decorum from someone in that position. Your crude, personal, impolite responses reflect poorly on you and on your employer, and on anyone who would hire you in the future.
Posted by: Timothy on November 7, 2005 01:52 PMBehavior matters. A classy individual rises above. Are we not all adults? What better way to show your merit, as well as that of the person that you quite publically represent, than to behave in an admirable fashion? Why not let the facts speak for themselveS?
Pathetic.
Posted by: Tahan on November 7, 2005 02:48 PMActually, this whole exchange between Bailey and Mark Griswold is hysterical!!
Mark, you've not only got this guys goat....but it appears you have his testicles too!!
Mike also insisted that I vote for Ron Sims.....He claimed that David Irons was going to cut the minimum wage in half....Well...he tried to claim this until I reminded him that a County Executive really couldn't change the State's minimum wage..(Doh!) I think Mike was going to tell me that David Iron's eats babies or something ..but I hung up on him.....
Mike's number is 206 374-0170 AFL CIO WSTRN Region
I cannot believe the bullshit flying from the liberal left right before the election......
After that call - I realized that Stefan was right on with his endorsement of Hara..
Posted by: Deborah on November 7, 2005 06:18 PMMr. Bailey is implying that Gary Locke, Mike Lowry, Dow Constantine, Larry Gossett, Nick Licata, Judy Nicastro, Phil Talmadge, the KC Democrat CC, the KC Young Democrats, and multiple Democrat District Chairs are too stupid to understand Mr. Hara's alleged duplicity.
Good luck with that Mr. Bailey...
Suggestion to Mr. Berkowitz: avoid seeking help on your concession speech from Mr. Bailey.
Posted by: Michael on November 7, 2005 08:26 PM