January 06, 2006
SCACIEE?

You may remember that last year Seattle Schools proposed closing several campuses to save money. The resulting outcry was so large that the plan was abandoned, but the deficit that prompted it remains, and so the superintendent is again looking for ways to save money.

This time the plan will be created by a committee of fourteen with the bureaucratic name of the Superintendent’s Community Advisory Committee on Investing in Educational Excellence (SCACIEE). [I am not making this up.]

Anyway, SCACIEE wants public input on its new plan. This is an opportunity to influence the process before the plan goes public. Meetings will be held January 17 from 6 to 8 pm, and January 21 from 10:30 am to noon. Please see the links for details. The more people who get engaged to save the Seattle Public schools from itself, the better.

Posted by Andy MacDonald at January 06, 2006 03:41 PM | Email This
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1. First suggestion, save the children from the Seattle School District first.

Posted by: Jeffro on January 6, 2006 03:58 PM
2. Oh let's see what the first 3 proposals are:

1: They need more tax money
2: They need more tax money
3: They need more tax money

Anyone think of any other's.........


Where is the 1.8 bil surplus that Gregoire is sitting on?

Posted by: Gs on January 6, 2006 04:06 PM
3. At least the acronym didn't spell out SKEEZEY.

The good news with the new committee is that newspaper reporters will be able to fill up a column inch of print just spelling out.

That's a good story idea...A contest for the governmental agency with the longest and most mundane title.

Posted by: Reporterward on January 6, 2006 04:13 PM
4. SCACIEE can also spell "ICE CASE".

Posted by: starboardhelm on January 6, 2006 04:22 PM
5. or "SEA CECI", ceci beans cause gas too . . .

Posted by: starboardhelm on January 6, 2006 04:28 PM
6. Reporterward proposes "... a contest for the governmental agency with the longest and most mundane title."

Here is a list of Washington State's agencies.

It may not be the longest title, but I don't like the sounds of this one. How much money are we spending to "improving employment conditions and career opportunities for women, especially in the areas of education, training, and career development"? Is that really a problem we need to be spending money on? I wonder if the work of the ICSEW could be done under the umbrella of the OMWBA?

Posted by: huckleberry on January 6, 2006 04:45 PM
7. Andy MacDonald it will take more than smoke and mirrors to fix Seattle Schools problems. You can come with two or three dozen committee's and the problem will still be there in Seattle. First, it takes a leader who can make hard decisions and carry them out without a committee blessing. Seattle School District students have move over in my neighborhood on the eastside to receive a proper education. With that being said, close half the schools in Seattle that do not meet education standards or building codes. Next cut lose Laidlaw and have the local mast transit system carry the students to school. They have been doing this in Portland, Oregon to keep cost down for years.We are already have a mass exodus of students in that school district moving out of Seattle, the state can help in this migration. The out lining areas the state can provide addition funding for the students coming from Seattle. This would provide relief on there systems and provide more money for the new Teachers and schools. While Seattle continues to lose students, they will still lose funding until they get the problems fix. The smaller the District gets it will get easier to make the nessary changes to get the School District back on line. Now you have a plan to fix Seattle Schools and the out-lining areas can help in the process.

Posted by: klake on January 6, 2006 04:46 PM
8. Just for the heck of it, I thought I'd search that list above for the male equivalents of the OMWBA and the ICSEW. I think I found a couple...
this one and possibly this one.

Posted by: huckleberry on January 6, 2006 04:55 PM
9. Huckleberry,

That is one of the funniest punchlines I've seen on here for about a month...
Tip of the noggin your way.

As for the Seattle School District. I hope folks go to those meetings other than the typical paid lobbyist, rabble rouser and government paycheck employee types that normally inhabit public meetings.
No offense against the aforesaid, but I've found that you rarely get an accurate assessment of the real public at these kinds of events.
Glad I don't live in Seattle.

Posted by: Reporterward on January 6, 2006 05:38 PM
10. RW... can you see the Space Needle from your porch or balcony? If so, you should consider moving further out.

Posted by: huckleberry on January 6, 2006 07:14 PM
11. Would it have really been so horrible to close those schools? Or was it not the best way to save money? (which is entirely possible) I don't see Seattle's school-age population upticking any time soon. So those parents may just have to face the music and close the doors to some of those campi.

Posted by: Misty on January 6, 2006 09:14 PM
12. Misty, I don't think anyone would seriously opposing the notion that closing some of the schools might be a good thing to do. The problem is how to pick which school to close. People without backbone or vision cannot accomplish tasks like that very well. The easier solution is to keep them all open and hope somebody else will deal with the consequences.

Raise taxes!

Posted by: huckleberry on January 6, 2006 10:22 PM
13. Gs-
NOT A DIME of the state surplus should go to Seattle public schools. I live in a district other than Seattle and I pay state taxes. If Seattle can't get its act together, I don't need one dime of the tax money I give the state being diverted to support Seattle's incompetence habit.

The problem with the Seattle School district is NOT a lack of money. The problem with the Seattle School district is a lack of nerve. They know what they need to do (close some schools) to more efficiently educate their students. But if they choose not to do that due to political pressure from the residents of their district, I say let them raise the levy and let their residents pay for it.

But don't make me or anyone else who lives in a district than can figure out how to educate a student for a reasonable amount of money bail them out. It won't solve the problem and it will only take money away from some of the projects we need taken care of in this state (Can you say roads?).

Posted by: BMack on January 7, 2006 12:14 AM
14. As a parent in the District (and one of the aformentioned "rabble rousers), I've seen a lot in my time in the District. I had hoped this new committee would be something different but after attending most of the public meetings, sadly, it's not. One good thing is that I saw many more new people, not the usual education crowd, at these meetings including people who live in Seattle but have no kids in the District. It's good to hear from people who pay taxes and support public education but don't have kids in the system.

I was very surprised to read their preliminary recommendations and some of them involved new programs. NO!! We have to tighten our belts, follow through on the programs we already have and get down to the work of educating these kids. I don't know why they would suggest anything new.

But the District has had a parade of "leadership" and a lot of problems can be directly traced to "education as a business" thinking. Our last superintendent was a complete idiot who spent us into this mess (and meanwhile had been touted as a financial whiz to overlook the fact he had no education background). Raj Manhas is a nice guy, able to be very calm and a good manager. He is not a leader.
What would help? It would help if the Legislature would quit asking the world of students (because folks, in case you didn't know, it's not just passing the WASL, it's a huge senior project, community service and a certain GPA to graduate) and pony up. They currently fund ONLY a 5 period high school day when the day runs for 6 periods. Most high schools have to take the money out of their pockets to fund the 6th period. The majority of these kids want and should be in 6 periods of school a day. It would help if the City could give the schools some of its surplus to pay for the water pipes that haven't been maintained or replaced in 30 years (you can't ignore infrastructure). It would help to close some schools but actually use a real plan and not put schools on the list that are popular AND succeeding educationally. I would point to Montlake, North Beach and Bagley elementaries, all doing great and yet were on the list.

I don't hold out much hope for whatever this latest committee offers but I'm going to their last meeting. Should be interesting.

Posted by: westello on January 7, 2006 10:08 AM
15. Just look for the biggest Sacred Cow in the system and propose killing it. Usually, those cows have nothing to do with the mission at hand and everything to do with political correctness.

Posted by: BananaLand on January 7, 2006 11:25 AM
16. One thing we know about the education establishment is its' total aversion to true innovation. As long as education is considered the same as schooling, they will be hidebound by their allegiance to buildings and all that goes with that. Certainly an acceptance of the voucher system and an enthusiastic embrace of charter and magnet schools would allow for the flexibility that is mandatory for "fixing" a moribund and bandrupt system. A previous poster's comment about Laidlaw is right on the money. But, until and unless the Seattle School District dedides to focus on education as opposed to civil service jobs and building management, their problems will not go away.

Posted by: Cliff on January 7, 2006 11:48 AM
17. Are American Kids Stupid?

The obvious answer is: YES!

The above article says it all. Throwing money at the problem does not solve it. We've got pontificating techers unions, statist diversity curriculum writers, and an overly apolegetic attitude toward Johnny when he can't read. Sprinkle in a little Ritalin and you've got a recipe for the decline of the American student.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 8, 2006 12:42 AM
18. The key to this whole issue is in the first line at the Seattle Schools site: "Superintendent Raj Manhas has appointed fourteen highly qualified and accomplished individuals."

Public schools are obsolete so long as they are dominated by unions and controlled by interests outside of the local communities. Quit relying on clichés and face the facts. Education is a business and the products are literacy and all of our futures. Typical modern liberal resistance to positive change and progress is killing schools.

The line should have read: Raj Manhas opened a series of community meetings to elect fourteen individuals from within the local community to prepare a report making recommendations about local school issues including assessment of the district's current and long-term fiscal condition.

How many of Manhas’ appointees do you suppose have children in the subject schools?
Supposedly they have ”expertise in finance, budget management and leadership experience in large organizations; skill in marketing and communication; and experience in K-12 academic issues,” but . . . do they care about the students . . . or the teachers' jobs?

Westello is dead wrong when he pretends that a lot of problems with Seattle’s’ schools can be directly traced to "education as a business" thinking. The elements central to a successful business model must of necessity deal with practical realities, and they are the precise essentials ignored in Seattle schools. Private schools are businesses that function far better than public schools—mostly because they are not burdened with teachers unions. They produce social stability by preparing future citizens for life, and we profit only if the students get what they need. Responsible parents are tiring of the same old worn out arguments, and Public schools are rapidly becoming obsolete.

What? Westello says, ”What would help? It would help if the Legislature would quit asking the world of students (because folks, in case you didn't know, it's not just passing the WASL, it's a huge senior project, community service and a certain GPA to graduate) and pony up. ”Quit asking the world of students and pony up?” Sounds like . . . forget standards . . . give em more money.

When Westello is done babbling nonsense, he might consider cutting the resistance to positive change. Drop the pretense that the solution is more money, and concentrate on the idea that the solutions are community based. Absent the assumption of local community control, and taking schools back from the Teachers Unions, progress is stifled and nothing will improve.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on January 8, 2006 12:32 PM
19. Well, that wasn't their first choice for an acronym. Their first choice was Supreme Advise & Council Bureau for Institutional Education Superiority (SCABIES).

I think they decided not to use it because they didn't want the public to confuse them with that other hazard to school-aged children.

Posted by: ERNurse on January 8, 2006 09:15 PM
20. Er, that would be "Supreme Council & Advice Bureau for Institutional Education Superiority."

See, that makes more sense, and, umm... yeah.

Posted by: ERNurse on January 8, 2006 09:18 PM
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