January 15, 2006
Foie Gras Ban Eyed By Dems

Had to happen, didn't it? Concerned about alleged cruelty in the force-feeding process, and taking a page from Maude's book of values, Democrats in the state legislature are advancing a bill to ban foie gras production in Washington state, and to ban, by 2012, serving of the delicacy in restaurants here. More in the P-I. Currently no foie gras is produced in our state, although a few discerning restaurants serve it. It remains to be seen if Puget Sound animal rights "activists" will threaten the families of foie-gras friendly chefs, as near San Francisco, or vandalize their restaurants, as in one instance in Chicago.

Puget Sound: Vote with your feet. Hie thee to Crush, or Maximilien.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at January 15, 2006 03:23 PM | Email This
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1. Oh, my, oh my, whatever will the French say? Did they even both to check with Jacques C. first? After all, he is one of their heros.

Posted by: katomar on January 15, 2006 03:47 PM
2. I never will understand this. Apparently, by their logic, it's perfectly humane to kill something to eat it, but not to raise it so that it's short life before it's place in the food chain is realized it experiences anything but happy thoughts and pleasant experiences. Methinks there should be more pressing things to worry about in the universe than how happy your dinner was two weeks before it became your dinner.

Posted by: Marc on January 15, 2006 04:07 PM
3. I love goose liver. I am on your side on this one, Matt. Wow, I just agreed with a conservative. I need an aspirin and a nap.

Posted by: My Left Foot on January 15, 2006 04:10 PM
4. How typical. "We feel so strongly about this important legislation to prevent cruelty to animals that we're going to have it take effect in 2012, so that by then no one will remember who voted for it." Hypocrisy at its finest.

When Dubya took office in 2001, he also inherited some whack-job, eco-Nazi environmental regs that his predecessor felt so strongly about that he wanted to make sure they didn't take effect on his watch. Instead of passing the torch, he passed a collection of hand grenades with the pins removed.

Liberals never change.

Posted by: TB on January 15, 2006 04:35 PM
5. Let's see---legislators are concerned about ballooning waterfowl livers, which 'can be deadly'; but they are just fine with the unquestionably deadly process of spilling the blood of innocent baby humans by crushing them and sucking them into a sink.

The problem is not foie gras--it's the priorities on display.

Posted by: The Plain Truth Of It on January 15, 2006 04:38 PM
6. The Plain Truth Of It:


These unuseful idiots got all the time of day to worry about foie gras, Salmon extinction, and Killer whale survival, but can they find the time of day to support an unborn human being?


Posted by: GS on January 15, 2006 04:58 PM
7. Matt, you forgot about Rover's on the backside of Capital Hill. One of my favorite restraunts.

Posted by: Jim Nobles on January 15, 2006 05:05 PM
8. From old time lefty -

This bill is on the outer fringe of silly --- expect more of these strange perceptions about geese and ducks and chickens -- as our culture gets more urban and isolated from farming.

Among the new-urban youner generation there is no connection at ALL to rural, food production, and completley off target when it comes to the real world and animals. Toy stuffed geese is all they know.

Also, as a pate freak, I love the stuff, enriched with butter and heavy cream, other fowl liver can make excellent pate.

Fois gras is over rated and over priced. Good marketing by the French.

The goofy bill will die a quiet death.

Posted by: George Bakan on January 15, 2006 05:33 PM
9. For once I'm at a loss for words. Well, not totally at a loss.

MLF, now you know why so many of us find so many of your party so abhorrent. They impose their own personal values on the rest of us. If they don't want to eat foie gras, fine. Just don't restrict my choice. Evidently "choice" is only protected when killing unborn children. Think of how absurd, sick and abhorrent this is...to the democrats a goose or duck is worth more legal protection than an unborn child.

Posted by: Locked And Loaded on January 15, 2006 05:47 PM
10. Isn't there something about foie gras in the constitution?

Posted by: huckleberry on January 15, 2006 05:56 PM
11. "I love goose liver. I am on your side on this one, Matt. Wow, I just agreed with a conservative. I need an aspirin and a nap." - Left Foot

A Foie Graw loving liberal. Yep - just one of the common folk!

Posted by: pbj on January 15, 2006 06:04 PM
12. Wow, I just agreed with a conservative.

This means one of two things:

1) There is hope for you yet

or

2) The End Times are upon us

Posted by: Mike H on January 15, 2006 07:46 PM
13. One Democrat is mentioned in connection with this bill, not "Democrats." This bill will never get out of committee, and doesn't deserve to, and everybody knows it.

I'm disappointed in you, Matt. You didn't say that this will lead to vote fraud, and you didn't use the word "moonbat." I'll have to have a word with Stefan about this. :-)

Posted by: Ivan on January 15, 2006 08:04 PM
14. huckleberry, i just re-read the constitution, and saw no mention of foie gras. i did find a reference to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, however. now a group of idiots, pinheads, and violent anarchists want to take away another one of life's small pleasures.

the following are quotes from scotus decisions:

"At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life"
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=02-102

"The foregoing cases suggest that specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=volpage&court=us&vol=381&page=484#484

so when i challenge this law in court as an unconstitutional abridgment of my freedoms, i'll build my argument around the pursuit of happiness and those scotus decisions. if we have a right to define our own existence, then i define mine as the right to eat what i wish, and any law that restricts that right is unconstitutional. foie gras may not be mentioned in the constitution, but i'll bet we can find some in a penumbra.

this is one of the many problems with the liberals. i don't know where the "evidence" exists that "proves" that the ducks and geese are "tortured." like global warming this "torture" is not based on sound science, rather it is a concept defined by a liberal. their attitude is "i believe, therefore it's true." they undertake these "moral" crusades for lack of anything useful to do. no wonder so many liberals need glasses, they spend all their time doing things that make themselves feel good.

Posted by: Locked And Loaded on January 15, 2006 08:15 PM
15. ivan, you are correct about the article mentioning only one democrat, but if you go to the bill's web site, you will see that the bill has nine sponsors.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2421

and to my horror, gasp! one of the sponsors, rep. campbell, is a republican! the other eight are dems.

i agree with you (gasp, another agreement between a dem and rep!) that this bill doesn't deserve to get out of committee, but on the committee the dems outnumber the reps 13-10.

we must stop agreeing like this! too much harmony at this level could rip a hole in the universe.

Posted by: Locked And Loaded on January 15, 2006 08:42 PM
16. I hope Ivan is right and that this bill won't make it out of committee.

I could care less about foie gras and I would think there are better uses for their time during the session.

On the other hand, since I could care less, if they are busy with this law, they have less time to work on a law that could actually adversely affect me.

I know - me, me, me.

Oh well.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on January 15, 2006 08:58 PM
17. Just for the record, the best foie gras is at Rovers and a very close second is at Union. One has to assume that Veal will soon be on their pin head radar given that they are fed milk and their right to choose is taken away.

Posted by: sokala on January 15, 2006 09:25 PM
18. When my son was 6, we went to the aquarium, and the only question he had, as we passed each type of fish, was: "is that one good to eat?" He was right then, and he still is. We're human, we eat fish and meat, and we figure out wonderful ways of making them delicious. The boneheads need some useful work to do. Idle hands and all that.

Posted by: katomar on January 15, 2006 09:52 PM
19. I decided to consult the ultimate authority on these types of issues....Ted Nugent.
Ted predictable said, "INJECT IT, KILL IT and GRILL IT!!!"

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on January 15, 2006 11:13 PM
20. Did I also mention that in addition to goose liver, I think IN GOD WE TRUST belongs on the money and UNDER GOD in the pledge too. By the way, I am Jewish. Perhaps I need two aspirin and a longer nap?

Posted by: My Left Foot on January 15, 2006 11:39 PM
21. Left Foot;
Maybe a nice glass of red wine, too, to go with the foi gras.

Posted by: katomar on January 15, 2006 11:49 PM
22. sokala,

first of all, please don't give the anarchists the names of restaurants that serve foie gras or veal. those places of business will soon be targets of the liberals. the chef's families will become targets of hate, torture, and violence from the left, i.e., the party of tolerance and understanding.

you're absolutely right. first foie gras, then veal, then lobsters, then clams...when will it end? of course it won't, as long as the liberals can find a victim.

after eating animals is banned, the liberals will go after bovine, goat or sheep's milk. good-bye milk. good-bye cheese. good-bye eggs. we've seen peta claim that fishing should be ended because fish feel pain. good bye fish. it's obvious that their goal is to eliminate any animal protein from our diet.

we already see the liberal's knockers twisted (or is that knickers in a twist?) over this issue.

like locked and loaded said, i hope the liberals return to mutual masturbation to feel good, rather than restricting our rights.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on January 15, 2006 11:59 PM
23. Seems that what happens to cows, ducks, deer, chickens, turkeys, etc. is just as cruel. We feed em, kill em, and eat em. I guess the environmentalists have to start somewhere in their attack on carnivores.

It won't be long before a bill appears mandating a vegan diet.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 16, 2006 12:31 AM
24. Katomar,

You know, Matthews Cellars in Yakima bottles an excllent Cab-Merlot mix. Exellent suggestion, thanks!

Posted by: My Left Foot on January 16, 2006 01:53 AM
25. I cannot believe the crap these people in Olympia keep coming up with. They must sit at home during legislative breaks and just dream this S up so they will have something to do in session.

Where do these people come from. Did that space ship that landed Sunday, have any visitors returning with it?

Where is Emeril when we need him - BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM

Posted by: gs on January 16, 2006 02:26 AM
26. I Got it....Load the Queen and her court of idiots up and send them on a tax payers funded 3 yr space trip!

When they get back Rossi will be in!

Yeeeee Hawwwwww

Posted by: GS on January 16, 2006 02:31 AM
27. ehhh... Foie gras? Never had it, so I don't care.

(sotto voce) But lobster?

...They can have my lobster when they pry it from my cold, dead ...

Jeff B? And how do you know that plants...living things, connected to Mother Gaia after all...don't feel pain? And how are WE to chose what is sufficiently low on the sentience-scale to eat?

/Back to talking to my plants to make them thrive

LOL

Posted by: FlyingTigress on January 16, 2006 02:52 AM
28. Obi-Wan sez

"...after eating animals is banned, the liberals will go after bovine, goat or sheep's milk. good-bye milk. good-bye cheese. good-bye eggs."

That's when the ovo-lacto vegetarians will be up in arms.

Posted by: FlyingTigress on January 16, 2006 03:13 AM
29. ...and no more wine...pressing crushes the hell out of the poor little grapes' skins! and poor little tufty cotton is viciously beheaded in our quest for a few threads of clothes;

Jimmie's solution? run around naked and sober; a new Spring Break tradition;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on January 16, 2006 06:49 AM
30. terrorists and illegals flooding our borders; a clueless, overstepping SEA city council; failing schools; Kelo-esque property stealing by governments; city conquered by the homeless and graffitti; lawsuits out of rational control---and goose liver is a priority?! I'm not surprised;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on January 16, 2006 06:59 AM
31. In two threads above, FlyingTigress pointed out...

Obi-Wan sez

"...after eating animals is banned, the liberals will go after bovine, goat or sheep's milk. good-bye milk. good-bye cheese. good-bye eggs."

and

"Jeff B? And how do you know that plants...living things, connected to Mother Gaia after all...don't feel pain? And how are WE to chose what is sufficiently low on the sentience-scale to eat?"

... thereby illustrating the true goal of these wackos: ridding Mamma Earth of those eeeeevvvvviiiil naaaaaasty HUMMANS.

Posted by: NW Mike on January 16, 2006 07:56 AM
32. Penn Cove mussels will be next. Forced to live on ropes for their young lives, instead of on pilings and rocks as in nature. It is absolutely cruel I tell you. And it isn't just the growers of these shellfish but restaurants that then take these tender morsels which live inside their little shell homes, and BOIL THEM WHILE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE!!! It is despicable I tell you. Sometimes they even put salt in the water when they are boiled which must cause them all the more pain. And shallots or leeks are also added. This must stop now, and the DemocRATS are the ones to do it.

Posted by: Barry Nunn on January 16, 2006 08:05 AM
33. I didn't realize all the world's problems had been solved. Nice to see MLF and Ivan on this thread. Unfortunately, I wouldn't know foie gras if you placed it in front of me. I come from very common stock and "them thar fancy foods" I never tasted. But I'll defend to the death your right to balloon goose livers.:)

Posted by: Danny on January 16, 2006 09:10 AM
34. Only in Washington...would lawmakers waste time passing a bill to ban the production of a product that is not even produced in this state. Yet another dumb waste of taxpayer time and money.

And Queen Christine wonders at her low approval rating?

Posted by: dl on January 16, 2006 10:59 AM
35. Danny:
It's not so mysterious or fancy as you might think. You can even get some of the German versions of pate or foie gras at Albertsons, not very expensive. It's just liver paste, after all. Anyone who tries to tell you that it's really fancy is just a snob. It's a staple in most of Europe, like peanut butter or bologna is here, and there are many different types; chicken, goose, etc. Spread it on fresh baked bread, and that's breakfast! It's just the French name that makes it seem "oh so cultured".

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 11:06 AM
36. I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: Nancy on January 16, 2006 11:09 AM
37. Nancy:
I think hemay have said that when he was in one of his depressions.

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 11:17 AM
38. that's all well and fine, nancy-- but how do you feel when humane treatment for animals is seen as important, when humane treatment for the unborn HUMANS is laughed off as completely unnecessary?

Posted by: The Plain Truth Of It on January 16, 2006 11:27 AM
39. Yes, and that's exactly why all the pro choice folks should have no problem at all with the very youngest veal. They should be pro choice for bovines, too. After all, animals are human, too.

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 12:59 PM
40. I am starting a new PETA movement. In my club- P.E.T.A.will stand for "People Eating Tasty Animals" The membership line forms on the right!

Posted by: John425 on January 16, 2006 01:38 PM
41. LET THEM EAT CAKE...

Posted by: TACOMA PHLASH on January 16, 2006 01:53 PM
42. I'm sure there is a penumbra of an emanation wafting around the 14th amendment which would make the banning of pate unconstitutional. But if Alito is confirmed to SCOTUS it might not be a superprecedent. GIVE ME LIVER OR GIVE ME DEATH!

Posted by: Steven Adler on January 16, 2006 02:05 PM
43. I'm sure there is a penumbra of an emanation wafting around the 14th amendment which would make the banning of pate unconstitutional. But if Alito is confirmed to SCOTUS it might not be a superprecedent. GIVE ME LIVER OR GIVE ME DEATH!

Posted by: Steven Adler on January 16, 2006 02:05 PM
44. So what ! They can stick it where the sun don't shine...
Up with Ted Nugent !

Posted by: KS on January 16, 2006 02:25 PM
45. You folks got this all wrong, they won't BAN it, they will simply tax it ! Imagine, "studies " have shown that the animals in question would have never been born in the wild to begin with, yet their suffering must be avenged! An aggressive tax will fund an Anti-Foie Gras education movement (State program of course). Limiting the consumption of the any oversized goose liver products to an area just 25 feet outside any door or window of a resturant where patrons would be exposed to the harmful effects
of Secondary Goose Abuse or SGA syndrom. French nationals will be exempt from the tax, but still subject to the 25 ft. rule. Violators can be turned in by calling the State Department of Healths Goose Abuse hotline at 1-800-PLS-HONK.

Posted by: Roscoe on January 16, 2006 02:37 PM
46. Roscoe:
ARe you sure that's not the number for AFLAC? Great post!

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 03:25 PM
47. Quack! Quack!

ReVOTERguy

Posted by: ReVOTERguy on January 16, 2006 07:53 PM
48. IF A GOOSE GOES INTO A RESTURANT AND ORDERS FOIE-GRAS...WILL THEY PUT IT ON HIS BILL?

Posted by: TACOMA PHLASH on January 16, 2006 08:02 PM
49. Nancy -

Most of us here are also in favor of animal rights. Like the right to be my dinner...

Posted by: Mike H on January 16, 2006 08:32 PM
50. This has my vote for the most fun bog ever on SP. You guys are the funniest!!! Thanks Stefan, for the opportunity for comic relief. It'll keep us all smiling for a while.

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 08:41 PM
51. OOps, sorry. That should have been thanks Matt for the blog. I must have been laughing too hard!

Posted by: katomar on January 16, 2006 08:51 PM
52. katomar,

i agree that this is a silly bill. i love foie gras, but only have it about once a year; it's so expensive.

the problem as i see it is not foie gras, per se, it's the idea that the liberals want to restrict our freedoms once again. this time it's under the guise of "torture." sometimes it's "fairness." in any event, a liberal feels guilty about something and proposes to restrict individual liberties.

i was against the anti-smoking ordinance, not because i smoke (i don't) but because i don't want to stop people from enjoying a cigarette if that's what they chose to do. if i don't like a bar or restaurant that allows smoking i will vote with my dollars and frequent those establishments that ban smoking.

with the republican party acting like dems and spending OUR money like they do, i may just leave the party. perhaps i should say that it left me.

so it gets down to individual liberties. pamela anderson is against kfc because of the way they treat chickens. the state of maryland mandates that wal-mart spend 8% on health care. liberals all over our great country are imposing their beliefs under the banner of "fairness." well, i don't that that's "fair."

Posted by: Obi-Wan on January 17, 2006 12:40 AM
53. There is room for all of God's creatures......Right next to the mashed potoatoes.

I guess I am not a "bleeding heart" liberal. Just a hungry one.

Posted by: My Left Foot on January 17, 2006 03:59 AM
54. What do you mean, we don't have any production of foie gras here in Washington! Didn't we just suffer force-feeding from the King County Election Board via stuffed ballot boxes? They sure cooked our goose.

I wonder if we can enlist the help of the animal protection activists to terrorize the election board.

Posted by: SDB on January 17, 2006 08:24 AM
55. my left foot, welcome to the dark side.

Posted by: Darth Voter on January 17, 2006 09:13 AM
56. i finally came to the realization that this law, if enacted, will probably be struck down by the state supreme court. it is an unconstitutional limit on interstate commerce, and only congress can regulate that. and if the state supreme court doesn't, the scotus should.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on January 18, 2006 11:43 PM
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