March 30, 2006
A party of values

If you ever wanted to be a fly on the wall at a gathering where the finest minds in the Democratic Party let it all hang out, be sure to listen to David Goldstein's Podcasting Liberally. This week's installment is a panel discussion featuring Washington State Democratic Party chairman "Cuba" Dwight Pelz. In this 29 second clip (about 21:00 into the program), Pelz gives his closing remarks --

The Democratic Party is a party of values and a few values that we appreciate are drinking and liberals fucking
To be fair to Pelz, the guy who blurted out the word fucking was not Pelz. It was Sandeep Kaushik, spokesman to King County Executive Ron Sims .

And from earlier in the discussion, there's this fascinating bit of analysis of the differences between the Green Party and Democrats. (about 3:00 into the program).

In the top clip, Goldstein defines "podcast" as "radio show that nobody listens to". One can only hope that more people start listening to his podcasts. (The full 55:53, 52 MB audio file of this week's program is here.)

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 30, 2006 09:06 AM | Email This
1. Stef,

This is all very funny. But not sure sometimes do you mean to expose liberals this way cause it means something REAL to peoples lives or are you doing it cause you think it really matters. Which? Sincerely cause where I am coming from this falls under categorey of sweating the small stuff.

You always seemed to me to be bigger then worrying about this type of stuff.

Once At City

Posted by: Once At City on March 30, 2006 09:28 AM
2. "Once at City", I'm not worrying about anything. I'm just enjoying listening to these people making fools of themselves.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on March 30, 2006 09:37 AM
3. i'd have to second once's sentiment. there are many examples of BOTH parties making fools of themselves. your selective choice is your right, but it makes you seem unnecessarily partisan.

the parties really aren't that different. their marketing spin (i.e. each parties' issues, platform, etc.) may appear different, but really it seems as if we are talking about coke or pepsi.

just look at federal spending and the terry schiavo case. republicans as fiscal hawks and small govt? not anymore.

Posted by: dinesh on March 30, 2006 09:54 AM
4. I must have missed where on this blog the contributors pledged their nonpartisan commentary. I wonder if the same people who critique Stefan here about being a "partisan" post over at HA about the same thing.

Podcasts are fair game, and I am sure if there were the equivalent of this audio for the Republicans, it would be all over HA, as well as in the Times, PI, et al.

Posted by: Palouse on March 30, 2006 10:01 AM
5. Unbelievable! What an extraordinary demonstration of absolute arrogance and vulgarity! And they KNEW they were being podcast. It's a frightening indication of just what gutter their minds and agendas are in. Glow sticks in rectums? COME ON! Is that supposed to be a political agenda?

Posted by: katomar on March 30, 2006 10:06 AM
6. That already happens Palouse. It's called Blatherwatch. That's where Libs listen to Republican talk radio, and then post the transcripts and what they feel are meaningful sections and notes.

The interesting note here is that Blatherwatch listens in on Talk Radio that actually has an audience, advertisers, in short a market. Whereas as even Goldstein notes, Podcasting Liberally is basically something that nobody listens to, beyond the few people that actually go to Drinking Liberally and might have missed a night, or Conservatives like us who get a kick out of listening to fools like Goldstein get drunk and make a Horse's Ass of himself.

It's truly insightful to listen to these Podcasts though to see just how infected with Marxism that these people really are. These Progressives would be the downfall of this great country if it were not for the rise in conservativism that is in direct response to their failed ideas. They can't figure out why Bush got elected twice and states are getting redder. They don't see just how damaging, and more important unrealistic and impractical their ideas are. But their ideas gaurantee that they will not exist for much longer, so there is nothing to fear.

Their ideas expose the failures of socialism, bankrupt any government that tries to implement them, and lead to a demographically smaller and smaller population of like minds. It's only a matter of time before they either turn off more mainstream Americans and reduce their political influence, or simply dwindle to extinction due to lack of procreation given their social policies.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 30, 2006 10:16 AM
7. Let's just compare titles of each respective website:

But yeah. There's not much difference between conservatives and liberals.

And would some lefty please explain to me how attempting to stop a woman from being starved to death is a bad thing?

Posted by: jimg on March 30, 2006 10:20 AM
8. This blogsite rocks and horsepoop sucks!

Posted by: A Watchdog on March 30, 2006 10:25 AM
9. jimg: i agree there is a difference between conservatives and liberals, just not much of a difference between the parties anymore.

conservatives used to stand for small government. got any evidence that the republican party stands for small govt?

conservatives used to stand for fiscal restraint? got any evidence that the republican party demonstrates fiscal restraint?

i agree the post is fair--i just think stefan generally highlights the idiocy of the local dems in more compelling ways.

Posted by: dinesh on March 30, 2006 10:54 AM
10. After listening to those clips, all I can say is "THIS is a group of adults who want to be taken seriously by the general public?" The Republican party should PAY to have these audio clips run as ads on radio!
(And Rodney Tom wants to hang out with THIS bent-minded bunch?)

Posted by: Misty on March 30, 2006 10:55 AM
11. I don't find this at all surprising or different. The Ds with their partner the ACLU are trying to have all this behavior 'mainstreamed'. NAMBLA support, Ds blocking Jessica's law in NH and Ohio, while not doing anything about judges that pass on sentencing child rapist, sex in the oval office with an employee, etc. etc. The one thing I do not understand is why Ds are so hard on raping women over 17, but not under 18. There seems to be an inconsitency there. Maybe the ability to vote? Who knows?

Posted by: Fred on March 30, 2006 11:25 AM
12. Fred: Yup, their attitude is Sc**w anybody who can't vote, literally.

Posted by: katomar on March 30, 2006 12:00 PM
13. Stefan---
I use KLOWNstein's Podcast as a sleeping pill.
It is proven to have the same impact as a heavy overdose of Ambien.
For those of you who have trouble sleeping, I highly recommend KLOWNstein's PODCAST.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on March 30, 2006 12:18 PM
14. I almost showed up at one of those Drinking Liberally outings, but changed my mind when I heard these KLOWNS are into:
1) Sticking others with the tab
2) They only drink Grasshoppers.
3) They are well-known for fanny slapping and on men.
4) They ALL go to the POTTY together and lock the door!!! It appears KLOWNS have bladder problems because apparently they go every 10 minutes and come out giggling!

These IDIOTS really believe they are responsible for David Irons losing, bring down FEMA Brown and Gregoire stealing the election.
Alcohol does do funny things to weak-minded people.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on March 30, 2006 12:24 PM
15. Trust me, Dinesh. I am not at all pleased with the actions of the GOP Congress. But I think it's a bit disingenuous on your part to criticize them for not being conservative. Based upon what appears to be your political philosophy, you should be happy they're spending like drunken sailors.

Until the Democrats start proposing actual cuts in spending, as opposed to consistently wailing about decreases in the amount of increases, they and their supporters have no standing to argue about increased government spending.

Posted by: jimg on March 30, 2006 12:46 PM
16. Amen, jimg.

Didja happen to notice that while the Republicans were "spending like drunken sailors", the democraps were still criticizing them for being skinflints?!!

Posted by: alphabet soup on March 30, 2006 01:21 PM
17. Hey, thanks Stefan! You got me 15 minutes on Dori, where I got to plug the domain at least three times! Downloads have gone through the roof!

Ohmigosh! Sandeep said the f-word! (I feel silly even typing "f-word.") It's not like Ron Sims hadn't read The Stranger before hiring Sandeep.

Posted by: Goldy on March 30, 2006 04:00 PM
18. I actually appreciated some of the intellectual honesty in their crapcast. The actual acknowledgment that Republican votes passed the Civil Rights Act, etc...not being so partisan but instead unapologetic liberal nutjobs. Very entertaining...and disgusting at the same time. Like watching Jackass the movie.

Posted by: Tracy on March 30, 2006 04:18 PM
19. jimg: that's a fair observation, if you don't really know me. i expect the govt to be fiscally responsible, as i expect my own household to be fiscally responsible. perhaps i'd be more profligate if i didn't have the tax bill that i do.

i am skeptical of both parties, but especially of the party that is in power. my (limited) observation is that power corrupts, and politicians are the worst people upon whom power should be bestowed.

i appreciate the struggle in washington to create a more politically diverse climate and therefore generally applaud the efforts of this blog. that said, i am extremely skeptical of partisanship and even more skeptical of today's "conservatives" who have supported the wholesale destruction of this country's balance sheet. if i did that to my household balance sheet, my wife would divorce me in a minute. loyalty? not in you are unfaithful to shared principles. fiscal sanity, smaller, efficient effective govt are things i like. true opposition parties are something i support.

Posted by: dinesh on March 30, 2006 04:19 PM
20. Stefan, I'd have to clear it with Goldy, but you're welcome any Thursday if you'd like to be on the show.

We'll save you a glowstick!

Posted by: Will on March 30, 2006 04:59 PM
21. That might be tough for Stefan to do Will. You know very well that Goldy prefers to Catch rather than Pitch.

Posted by: Smokie on March 30, 2006 05:09 PM
22. "The Democratic Party is a party of values and a few values that we appreciate are drinking and liberals f*cking" To be fair to Pelz, the guy who blurted out the word f*cking was not Pelz. It was Sandeep Kaushik, spokesman to King County Executive Ron Sims ."

Oh My God!

No wonder the liberal trolls are all over this thread!!! They are so EXPOSED for the lewd and disgusting jackasses they truly are!
Sandeep must be a charter member of the "Drinking Liberally" crowd! Just gross! I could just slap them upside their ugly heads.

This is what Ron Sims considers Good Home Training?

Posted by: Deborah on March 30, 2006 05:22 PM
23. How much does the foul mouthed Sandeep take from the public coffers to serve at the pleasure of Mr. Sims? Perhaps the County Council could take a look at cutting Mr. Sims appropriation for Staff next budget cycle by the amount Mr. Kaushik is paid.

Posted by: Smokie on March 30, 2006 05:49 PM
24. Stefan,

That's it, you need your own podcast. I thought about it before now and now seems to be the time. Not as a response so much, but a sane alternative.

Goldy seems to be excited about how many people are downloading. I too am excited, nothing like a foe who defeats himself. I'll add to the downloading, out of morbid curiosity.

Posted by: TedR on March 30, 2006 06:07 PM
25. Has anyone checked Kaushik's green card?

Posted by: Lon on March 30, 2006 06:12 PM
26. Do you think there's any chance Dwight would host Goldy's podcast here? That'd be great. I doubt Dwight is actually given the keys to the car, though.

Posted by: huckleberry on March 30, 2006 06:28 PM
27. Goldy: You think it's "cool" to have people kind of retch and laugh at you at the same time? You need new aspirations.

Posted by: katomar on March 30, 2006 06:41 PM
Has anyone checked Kaushik's green card?

Posted by Lon at March 30, 2006 06:12 PM

Man... and you think the so-called "f-word" is offensive? You guys are amazing.

That said, sure Will, I'd be happy to extend to Stefan the very same offer I extended to Dori... you're welcome on the podcast anytime, Stefan. Nothing to fear... sticks and stones and all that.

Posted by: Goldy on March 30, 2006 08:51 PM
29. Unfortunately, sticks and stones are the only things liberals seem to be lobbing. Ideas are not in the batch, that's for sure.

Posted by: katomar on March 30, 2006 09:01 PM
30. Has anyone checked Kaushik's green card?

To the best of my knowledge he was born in the U.S.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on March 30, 2006 09:06 PM
31. Not offensive?

Tell me Goldy, how would you leftists react if someone were to do a statewide mailing about this little quote of Comrade Pelz?

One can only wonder what the millions of voters in this state would think of such a thing. Of course it doesn't bother you... after all, those ARE democrat values.

Posted by: Hinton on March 30, 2006 09:15 PM
32. I heard Goldy on the Dori Monson show earlier today. Dori had a field day playing several times the podcast tape and Ron Sims "Good Home Training" sound clip. You should have heard what the callers had to say about the podcast. I'm still chuckling.

Posted by: Janet on March 30, 2006 09:41 PM
33. Goldy is still gloating over Ron Sims being reelected - what goes around comes around and he is in the process of self-destructing.
Pelz and Goldy qualify as despicable Democraps - the court of public opinion will eventually get wise to it - in spite of the MSM bias.

Let Pelz continue to take the Democrat party over the left cliff - its only a matter of time before they get their world rocked and fall out of power. However, the Republicans will have to show something new besides their ineptness for it to happen...

Posted by: KS on March 30, 2006 10:18 PM
34. Janet, what DID the callers say about the podcast?

Posted by: Misty on March 30, 2006 10:35 PM
35. How can the Demo- rats be the party of VALUES when their leader is Ted “MY CAR HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN YOUR GUN” Kennedy…?

I think I need to go for a swim and cool off!!!

Posted by: Pacific Grove Phlash on March 31, 2006 12:02 AM
36. Misty-

They said it was awesome, and that everyone should download it. Really.

Posted by: Will on March 31, 2006 01:56 AM
37. Wow! I learned something today, Goldy indignantly posts that questioning someones citizenship is more offensive than profanity. If he's not simply setting up a straw man, what he is saying is that it is more offensive to not be polititcally correct than to spout profanity.

Frankly I don't care about a little naughty language, but elevating political correctness above social grace indicates to me that his priorities are off.

Maybe it's too early to be posting, because I shouldn't be suprised that a liberal's priorities are off.

Posted by: Dan on March 31, 2006 06:47 AM
38. Like all Rethuglicans, you guys are racist, ignorant, theocrats with no ideas, except to blame brown-skinned people for the fact that you are stupid.

You have nothing to do with your time but criticize your intellectual superiors on the left who are running this city, county, and state, and who will soon be running the country.

You make me laugh!

Posted by: Quiet Liberal on March 31, 2006 07:58 AM
39. Two guys walk into a bar.

One says, "man, that Dori Monson's a hypocrit." And the other says, "yeah, he's got three kids, but says he's never f*ked his wife!"

Posted by: rossi too on March 31, 2006 08:18 AM
40. Thanks for mentioning my glowstick remark (if in a round about way). But I'm interested that you would vote for the people who made it U.S. policy to rape prisoners with glow sticks. I mean if even the suggestion of it is too much for your delicate ears.

Posted by: Carl Ballard on March 31, 2006 08:38 AM
41. Well Carl, at least you practice what you podcast, I'll give you that.

Posted by: Smokie on March 31, 2006 09:04 AM
42. Quiet Liberal, Rossi too, and Carl:

Your idols have been outed by their own hand for the arrogant, foul-mouthed juveniles they are, and you can't stand it! I'm hoping Goldy gets lots and lots of hits on the podcast. The more the better. It's just such a wonderful example of liberal mind-set. A paid TV ad couldn't have done as much good! I think hoisted on their own petard applies here.

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 09:51 AM
43. Hey katomar! Re: "...hoisted on their own petard...", I give you this:

Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States, on the floor of the United States Senate, June 25, 2004: "F*ck yourself!"

Posted by: Quiet Liberal on March 31, 2006 11:01 AM
44. Quiet: Yes, that's true. And he took a big hit, as well he should. You will note not many conservatives defended that conduct. However, your folks seem to think it's inoffensive when our local liberals conduct themselves in the same manner, and worse. In fact, your posts indicate you are trying to defend it. Dick Cheney never chuckled about his comments. The audio of the podcast provides the background of the whole group laughing uproariously. Reminded me of a laugh track for a sitcom. But then, I guess that's what Puget Sound liberalism is - a sitcom.

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 11:20 AM
45. i can't believe the comments in this thread have devolved so far, so fast. there is no excusing any of the idiocy displayed by the comments quoted, but the Bush administration proponents may want to stand down for a moment, for recognition of having the innumerable quotes reflecting this administration's idiocy come tumbling forward, especially on far more serious topics.

for example:

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

Address to the nation, March 17, 2003

the list goes on...

potty mouth is one thing. facts (or the lack thereof) regarding war is a far more serious topic.

Posted by: dinesh on March 31, 2006 11:53 AM
46. Since you like quotes dinesh, here's a few more to add to your collection:

Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002
"It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states."

Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

John Kerry > January 23, 2003
"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."

Senator Carl Levin > September 19, 2002
"We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Posted by: Palouse on March 31, 2006 12:28 PM
47. Here's a few more...for your reading pleasure:

Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002
"Yes, he [Saddam] has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Russell Feingold > October 9, 2002
"With regard to Iraq, I agree Iraq presents a genuine threat, especially in the form of weapons of mass destruction: chemical, biological and potentially nuclear weapons. I agree that Saddam Hussein is exceptionally dangerous and brutal, if not uniquely so, as the president argues."

Hillary Clinton > January 22, 2003
"I voted for the Iraqi resolution. I consider the prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam Hussein who can threaten not only his neighbors but the stability of the region and the world, a very serious threat to the United States."

Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"We know he continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability, including nuclear capability."

John Kerry > January 31, 2003
"If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein
is a threat with nuclear weapons, then
you shouldn't vote for me."

Al Gore > September 23, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002
"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Al Gore > December 16, 1998
"[I]f you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He has already demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons..."

Posted by: Palouse on March 31, 2006 12:34 PM
48. Stefan--

Thanks for the vote of confidence (if that's what it was) regarding my immigration status, but I was actually born in India. My family emigrated to the U.S. when I was about two years old, and I grew up in the D.C. suburbs. I became a naturalized U.S. citizen when I was 17: ceremony in Baltimore, blue-haired old ladies handing out little American flags, forswearing my allegience to foreign potentates, the whole deal. Very quaint and memorable, in its way.
As for having a potty-mouth, I stand convicted. I also stand in good company, if you like the current regime in the other Washington. George Bush is known to curse like a sailor (just ask Adam Clymer). And he's been caught on camera flipping the bird. We all know about Dick Cheney's foul mouth. (Katomar: you're completely wrong when you claim that Cheney never chuckled about his comment. In fact, he went on FOX a few days after the incident and chuckled away as he confided that he felt great for having said what he did. "I expressed myself rather forcefully, felt better after I had done it," is what he told Neil Cavuto). Antonin Scalia apparently enjoys spouting his obscenities in Italian, complete with obscene gestures. And he was in a church, while I was just joking around in a bar.
It's true, though, that I do regret having said what I did, because I have just been informed that my application for sainthood has been denied. Word on the street is that it is now going to Dori Monson.

Posted by: Sandeep Kaushik on March 31, 2006 01:55 PM
49. Sandeep: You have just proved my overall point. You and your group are an arrogant, condescending group of juveniles. And you conceitedly compare yourself to a group of folks who are way, way out of your league. Good luck with your next job....

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 02:46 PM
50. palouse: i'll admit all the people you quote are idiots. do you have the courage to step outside your partisan bubble and say the same of your fearless leader George "WE DON'T TORTURE" Bush?

He's the Grand Poopa of Idiocy if you ask me.

Posted by: dinesh on March 31, 2006 02:59 PM
51. We know.

And that's why no one gives a fig about what you feeeeeel.....

(Oh, and it's "grand poobah", Einstein)

Posted by: alphabet soup on March 31, 2006 03:18 PM
52. I don't think all of those people I quoted are idiots. They are smart enough to get elected, some of them multiple times, so that's good for something. I'm no big fan of Bush, but I also don't demonize him because he acted off of some bad intel that everyone else here and abroad also believed.

I cringe at his public speaking. I hate his fiscal policy - he's very liberal. I wish he would scrap Star Wars, scrap the guest worker program and put troops on the border. I wish he would fully fund stem cell research. But I don't go as far to call him an idiot - he's got an MBA from Harvard, which even if you are rich they don't just give away. And he's been elected twice to the most powerful position in the world. That counts.

Posted by: Palouse on March 31, 2006 03:35 PM
53. Sandeep, forgive me for not knowing you were naturalized. Anybody who loves this country enough to become a citizen by choice wins extra points in my book.

I wasn't criticizing your profane language. I was merely amused that you and Dwight chose to summarize the foregoing discussion by declaring that the Democratic Party is the party of drinking and fucking. My only constructive input is that you should have said "... drinking and fucking at other people's expense" ;)

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on March 31, 2006 03:46 PM
54. Thank you, Stefan. And somebody please give Sandeep a tissue. He's snot-nosed and doesn't even know it. I'm not really so sure about how hyped he is or was with becoming a citizen. His description of the cermoney as "very quaint and memorable in its own way" sounded pretty patronizing to me.

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 04:06 PM
55. Anybody know if Ron is defending Sandeep? Does he still trust him to accurately reflect the thoughts and policies of the Office of King County Executive? If replaced will he just get a raise and transfer like the folks at KCE? We can refer to him as "Six figure Sandeep" in the future.

Posted by: Smokie on March 31, 2006 04:44 PM
56. I was very eager to become a American citizen. And I have never regretted it since. I just didn't find the ceremony all that compelling.
Also, I typically pay for my own drinks, but Stefan, if you're buying, give me a ring.

Posted by: Sandeep Kaushik on March 31, 2006 04:49 PM
57. Son, Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life.

Posted by: Dean Wormer on March 31, 2006 05:00 PM
58. Sandeep: Every time you open your mouth, it seems you are compelled to be smug. You are a public figure, and as such, everything you do or say, as spokesperson for Rom Sims, is subject to public scrutiny. When you do and say stupid things, you should be prepared to take the heat. In fact, you should, as a person representing not only Rom Sims, but the people of King County, be prepared to apologize for acting and speaking so inappropriately in public. Has it even occurred to you that your position carries some responsibility with it?

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 05:28 PM
59. katomar: You're just another rage-filled Rethuglican who hates anyone who doesn't look and think exactly like you. You and your fellow criminals are out to steal everything you can get for yourself and your lily-white secret-society brothers while the rest of us die. All Rethuglicans belong in prison for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Quiet Liberal on March 31, 2006 07:10 PM
60. Wow.
Talk about the literal definition of a tempest in a p*sspot.

Posted by: Reporterward on March 31, 2006 07:37 PM
61. "All Rethuglicans (sic) belong in prison for crimes against humanity"

C'mon quiet, let's see you put us there

Your liberal projection would be humorous if it weren't so pathetic.

Show us what you got mofo.........

Posted by: alphabet soup on March 31, 2006 08:12 PM
62. Aw, shucks, Quiet, I don't hate you! I just think you're psychotic. Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel?

Posted by: katomar on March 31, 2006 08:40 PM
63. And you conceitedly compare yourself to a group of folks who are way, way out of your league.

Wait a second here. YOU trifling dimwitts are saying the spokesman to King County Executive Ron Sims dropping the F bomb on a podcast is "just such a wonderful example of liberal mind-set" while the CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES calling a reporter an ahole, the CONSERVATIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES telling a senator to go F*ck himself or the CONSERVATIVE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT using an obscene gesture in church is just some sort of aberative joke.

Like this whinging delicacy will play with anyone but hypocritical fundie maniacs anyhow.

Posted by: Sarcastro on April 2, 2006 11:42 AM
64. Sarcastro:
Obviously, you don't know much about Italian gestures. The geture used by the Justice, and by the way, the Chief Justice is Roberts, was not in any way vulgar. It means "makes no difference to me" or, "I don't care one way or another". That's all.

Posted by: katomar on April 2, 2006 12:40 PM
65. If Ron had any, he would fire Sandeep on principle. But since he doesn't have any principles, he will not. Thus having set the bar sufficently low for acceptable discourse within his adminstration, he can expect similar "good home training" when he is in a public venue.

When is your next speech Ron? This ought to be fun!

Posted by: Smokie on April 2, 2006 12:54 PM
66. "whinging"?

Sarcastro, are you a real moron, or do you just play one on the Internet?

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 2, 2006 08:49 PM
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