1. In King County, after all of the recent and unresolved election fraud BS, there WILL be public outrage if Ron Sims tries to force this on us!

Posted by: Deborah on April 20, 2006 11:52 PM

2. Deborah, I'm not sure there will be outrage. Perhaps there should be but the D's dont want election reform, and there are few other than those that blog on this site that are concerned about this issue.

Yes, we all should be outraged, but I don't think that the general population is.

My family votes by absentee ballot. Call us lazy, whatever, but we vote only once per person. So I don't thing that mail ballots are necessarily a bad thing.

I do agree, however, that there is an opportunity for fraud. We know that the D's don't believe in a fair election because their viewpoint is that because they are so "enlightened" that they should hold elective office, and also because that we "evil" R's (although I'm more a liberterian) should be kept from elective office because we don't hold those values the D's hold dear.

The D's seek to limit the speech of people and issues with which they don't agree.

So much for free speech.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on April 21, 2006 12:02 AM

3. This is outrageous. Where is our guarantee that there will be no illegal maneuvers with the mail-in votes, as we saw previously???
We demand clean elections!! Stop the fraud! Honest county officials NOW!!

Posted by: Misty on April 21, 2006 12:48 AM

4. Well Dean is just doing what he is told to do. KC should now have a new name. "West Cook County" He is doing just like any good Democratic Operative. Ensure Democrats win at any cost. Elections problems have not been fixed in over a decade. They have same problems over and over again. They make a show about some fixes but the biggest problem of them all integrity is never taken into consideration. West Seattle must love it. It ensures power to Democrats and slowly make republicans and independents not to vote because like Cook County IL the democratic machine ensures that Democratic votes is worth more than a republican vote. IE If a democrat needs a hundred thousand votes or more wait till everyone else reports and then add the missing votes. Who would know. They can fake the count and then report as many votes as needed for necessary canidates. Remember the vote enhancement. If left blank just say it looks look a democrat vote and fill it in. Then the Union thugs will have their group find missing ballots in a corner just behind the copy machine of an extra 2 or 3 thousand votes every day. Until the election is won fairly by the democrats.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on April 21, 2006 06:14 AM

5. How can we stop this? What can we do?

Posted by: dave on April 21, 2006 06:34 AM

6. And republicans and concerned independents have only themselves to blame.

If there could have been a respectable voter turnout in the 2005 election (especially on the east side) the news could have been entirely different.

Now we can only sit back and watch as the foundation is being laid for a juggernaut that conservatives may never overcome.

Let's see if these same republicans and independents will raise the white flag of surrender over illegal inmmigration and border security.

Posted by: jaybo on April 21, 2006 06:51 AM

7. All mail balloting in King County will reduce election costs statewide - won't be any need to vote in the other counties.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on April 21, 2006 07:55 AM

8. This will be a real boon for moonbats who put their goals above integrity and commit fraud. You know the type, they believe that an America with a more socialist face is their birthright, and that they are justified in using any means, legal or illegal to achieve those goals.

A good book on the subject is a new book by Travis Rowley called "Out of Ivy" which details his experiences with left leaning profressors and students at Brown University. Here's an article: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22128

The cover provided by the anonymity of all mail elections is just the ticket for moonbats to assure they will always have the votes they need to win close elections. And Dean Logan has already proven that he can't and won't enforce even the very weak election controls that are in place.

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 21, 2006 08:14 AM

9. I just don't get the outrage here... some people are so blinded by their conspiracy theories that they don't see the big picture.

First, how is a vote-by-mail-only system more corruptable than our current system? There are many such systems elsewhere in the nation, and I don't hear any hysterical screams coming from those places.

Second, what about the merits of a vote-by-mail-only system? If all of the ballots are being submitted the same way, wouldn't it be easier to monitor potential fraud than with a multi-modal system?

Finally, some of these rants are ripe with hypocracy... as though there isn't any voter fraud in the "red counties," and the complete discounting of the fact that a vote-by-mail-only system is more streamlined, requires less government, and saves money...

Is there voting fraud? You bet! At the polls, and at the mailbox... At the level where the votes are counted, and at the level where the rules are written... In eastern Washington and Seattle... and in Florida and Ohio...

Besides, unless you're going to completely outlaw absentee voting (pity those poor soldiers), you might as well do vote-by-mail-only. What ever happend to everyone following the same rules?

Posted by: XXX on April 21, 2006 09:25 AM

10. XXX, good question. There was a day when voters didn't submit multiple absentee ballots. But those days are gone. As long as we only use signature verification as a means to stop fraud, then some people will submit any ballot they can get their hands on. And there's nothing, not even the gravitas of standing before a poll worker and presenting ID, to dissuade those lacking in integrity to think twice before cheating. The problem is that in a close election, the few cheaters are enough to ruin it for everyone.

What ever happened to everyone following the same rules, indeed!

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 21, 2006 10:02 AM

11. xxx, apparently you haven't been reading this blog and learning how things went wrong with mail ballots and the unbelievable slop that was involved, and downright fraud. Double voters and dead voters were from the mail-in voters. so much slop from mail ballots coming from BC. The illegally counted fatal pends ballots were mail-in. I believe that the the provisionals that Demorat operatives went out and collected signatures on as third parites were mail-in. Most all the fraud happened with mail-ins, and Dean Logan seemed not to mind.
King county had to almost be sued by the Justice Dept. for failure to get military ballots out in a timely manner and KC can't seem to prove when they actually got those things out! BTW, they are mail ballots, you know. KC can delay mailing out whatever it wants and feign ignorance about it. They can 'find' ballots as much as they want to, nobody keeps them accountable.

We all know that prosecutions for vote/election fraud keep coming from heavily Democrat areas around the country.

It is a crying shame that this happens. Wake up. It is a heavily democrat problem!
We did not hear of these kinds of problems in Republican counties. We keep hearing of it from the Dem areas. I refuse to let you say this is a republican problem, too. It just ISN'T!

Posted by: Misty on April 21, 2006 10:51 AM

12. oh, and xxx, Ron Sims and Dean Logan AREN'T following election law. it's been shown over and over here at this blog. It's an outrage and we demand better!

Posted by: Misty on April 21, 2006 10:52 AM

13. How they continue to hold public office is beyond me. Although my county is not perfect. I am thankful each and every day I live in Snohomish County.

Posted by: Marmstro on April 21, 2006 11:08 AM

14. Ron Sims appears to be on a spending spree in the $Billions now. $1.62B for Brightwater sewage treatment and now $1.8B for election treatment--both smell bad?

Is there any new information about Initiative 932 to break King County into two? We need to leave this ship before it's too late!

Posted by: Elvis is the King County on April 22, 2006 02:39 AM

15. Elvis,
Go to YesOnCountyChoice.com
Go to Kinkos, Staples and download and print out a petition, 11X17.
Sign it, get friends, coworkers family to sign if they are legal registered voters.
Mail it in.
Thanks

Posted by: cindy on April 22, 2006 06:18 AM

16. I see several differences between absentee ballot voting and poll voting. Let me touch on one, security.

With poll voting, ballots are kept within view of poll workers from election day until the date the ballots are locked away in storage. With absentee ballots, election personnel lose control.
First, ballots are sent out via the US postal service, which might lose some en route to the voters, or the ballots might get stolen in the mail.
Second, the voters might lose their ballots or fill out their family members' ballots.
Third, the ballots are returned via the US Postal Service, which again might lose them.
Fourth, all absentee ballot envelopes are shipped off to a private contractor for sorting, where no observers can monitor the process. Furthermore, there are no accounting measures in place to guarantee that all ballots sent to the private contractor are returned. What can prevent a corrupt employee from "losing" a few ballot envelopes here and there from heavily Republican return addresses, such as Issaquah or Black Diamond? Chances are, Republican candidates would lose votes that way. While this type of fraud could occur with corrupt election officials, when the ballot envelopes are in the possession of Elections department personnel, citizen observers have a chance of spotting such behavior.

So for ballot security reasons alone, I oppose expanding absentee ballot operations to make it mandatory for all voters. At a minimum, if we are to preserve our dual system (poll voting and absentees) we need in-house envelope sorting equipment for absentee envelopes.

Posted by: Tim B. on April 22, 2006 11:53 AM

17. Time for a demonstration at said time and storming Deanrons offices and saying; Enough is enough and we're not going to take it any more. They are not serving us - only themselves and its time to make an example of them.

These jerks will do anything and have no shame.. At least, the people should be able to decide an issue like this - especially when Deanron cannot be trusted any farther than they can be thrown.

Posted by: KS on April 22, 2006 08:40 PM

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