June 02, 2006
Viaduct madness

This week's Seattle Weekly broke the story that Mayor Greg Nickels' spoof video promoting his multi-billion dollar Viaduct-replacement tunnel scheme was paid for with city funds and may have violated election laws. Today's Times reports that an ethics complaint against the Mayor has already been filed.

Of course the Mayor's tunnel boondoggle is an insane idea. The (low-balled) price tag is billions more than the available funding, and it will keep a major artery out of commission for years. It's hard to understand why the Mayor is acting as if it were in any way viable. David Sucher writes that "The Retrofit is the only politically-realistic solution" While I agree that the Retrofit is the only objectively realistic solution, I've been in Seattle just long enough to see that realism only rarely contaminates the decision process of Seattle's political leadership. If I had to guess, I'd say that a political tug-of-war between competing unrealistic solutions will continue indefinitely. And it's not just me. In today's column, Joel Connelly has a wonderful prognostication about the future of the Viaduct "All roads lead to one big viaduct mess". Read the whole thing.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 02, 2006 11:05 AM | Email This
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1. One of Connelly's best works! Which isn't saying much.
I like the part about:
"Conservative think tanks gleefully seize upon the "Seattle experience" to show the flaws of urban liberalism. One study is titled "From Process to Paralysis."
Nothing could be truer!
Seattle has shown a clear map on how NOT to do things.
I think Connelly also got it right about Governor-Elect Rossi in 2009.

Seattle===The Anal Canal of the Universe!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 2, 2006 11:25 AM
2. I liked Joel's column so much I emailed him. I commented that what he wrote sounded like the best case scenario to me, not that I think the actual chain of events will be worse, but that if everything he predicts comes to pass I'll be extremely happy.

What would really make me happy is if a giant earthquake hit Seattle, no structural damage or loss of life, but miraculously the entire city of Seattle breaks off from the rest of the continent and drifts out to sea, eventually coming to rest on the Asian continent and becoming part of China. Maybe we can trade straight across for Taiwan, they don't want to be communists, and Seattle does, so it sounds like a win-win solution to me.

Posted by: Dan on June 2, 2006 11:42 AM
3. Gosh, to think I used to live in Seattle. My birth town. To think I now live in corrupt Louisiana. And to think that Seattle is worse of politically, as well as being about as corrupt as Louisiana. Mon dieu! Silliness reigns. Refit the darned viaduct. It worked great in my day. Oh, but that would make too much sence. Someone needs to put some pschyo-meds in the water or something 'cause ya'lls thinking process is waaaaay out in space somewhere. I don't want you to break off and float off to China. I love Seattle. Really I do. Be up there in July. But you guys are crazed. I can't move back home the way you are. Can't live among the loonies any more. Oh well. Best to you all...Clasina Haley almost a Roosevelt 59 Grad!

Posted by: Clasina Haley on June 2, 2006 12:10 PM
4. Shame on me, it was a great article and I couldn't get past the first paragraph:

With a 25th anniversary to celebrate and offspring fresh out of the nest, visiting friends embarked on a sunset ferry ride to Bainbridge Island, ate a late supper on the waterfront and walked hand in hand up into town via the Harbor Steps.

Will they be voting absentee, with ballots sent to Joel's house?

Posted by: South County on June 2, 2006 12:14 PM
5. Goldstein at the HorsesAss fully endorses the Tunnel boondoggle. The reason for this is that as Stefan points out is that realism is verboten in the Progressive / Democrat world. If one Democrat of high standing such as Nickels or Sims promotes a plan such as Global Warming Compliance, Vote By Mail, the Monorail or the Tunnel, almost zero progressive supporters will stray from the plantation.

Groupthink, the hallmark and unifying trait of all Seattle progressives leads them all off the cliff together.

No matter how many rational observers point out the financial or political realities of any given project, what matters most to Democrats and Progressives is that they stand united. Because it's only by the force of shear numbers and the might of political conformity that objectively flawed ideas stand a chance in the real world of economic limits, physical limits, political limits, etc.

Expect millions of your tax dollars to be blown before there is any sane conclusion to the Viaduct Madness.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 2, 2006 12:37 PM
6. The tunnel is a utopian ideal. Therefore Hizzoner is all for it. Reality be damned.

Posted by: JCM on June 2, 2006 12:43 PM
7. Mayor Nickels is smarter than you guys give him credit for.

Seattle liberals have been sitting on the roads around here for 25 years trying to get us into public transport... why do you think we get all this economic growth, and just over 0 infrastructure growth?

The situation is getting completely out of hand... voters want something done, and the libs see the chance to blow 3 1/2 billion dollars on a project that's not going to help.

Mayor Nickels: "The time has come for all Seattle residents to use public transport... see, I spent 3.5 Billion (okay probably more like 5-7 when it finally gets finished), and it didn't help our traffic woes..."

Its actually a pretty brilliant strategy.

Posted by: thecomputerguy on June 2, 2006 01:10 PM
8. Before computers and the internet, there was I-90. It didn't get built and stood there till it was recently completed for 100 times the original cost. That project was stopped in the 60s by the progressive, liberal establishment.

So, I say to you computerguy, it started 40 years ago.

Posted by: swatter on June 2, 2006 01:37 PM
9. The whole viaduct/tunnel mess is the first "post monorail" megaproject smell test for Seattle: Reality vs. fantasy, fact vs. fiction, speculation vs. evidence, projections vs. actuals.

One wonders how much our electeds, Seattle voters and enviro-loonies have learned from that costly, self inflicted debacle.

I'm not holding my breath.

Most of the aforementioned have conveniently forgotten SMP faster than last week's American Idol winner. Nor have our daily or weekly press bothered to write up a decent, in depth postmortem analysis (what a shock) so that those who would actually bother to read it might learn something.

Joel’s scenario is all too possible.

"What we have learned from history is that we haven't learned from history." Benjamin Disraeli

Posted by: Geof on June 2, 2006 02:15 PM
10. Here is an excerpt from today's Peninsula Daily News that shows YOUR WSDOT and TAX DOLLARS at work--
4 years late and way over Budget!
I've got an idea, let's give these incompetent fools MORE tax dollars!!!!!!!!

How the state lost $86.9 million in Port Angeles
2006-06-02
by JIM CASEY

Planning that came too late and construction that sped ahead too fast doomed the Hood Canal Bridge graving yard, a legislative audit of the project says.

Today's report to the state Transportation Performance Audit Board also lays blame for the multimillion-dollar debacle on what it calls inadequate work by an archeological consultant and on poor communications with the Lower Elwha Klallam tribe.

Nearly 200 pages long, the long-delayed report will be released this morning in Seattle.

The document is in two parts:

* The first, a fiscal review of the graving yard project, concludes that the state Department of Transportation was correct when it continued work at the yard even after human remains were found there in August 2003.

* The second part analyzes how the state failed to discover that its construction site lay on top of an ancient Native American cemetery.

The state lost almost $86.9 million on the Port Angeles project after the Lower Elwha Klallam tribe asked that construction cease.

The sum is broken down to $60.5 million in construction; $11.2 million to reassemble equipment, labor and supplies at new sites; and $15.2 million to choose a new graving yard location and renegotiate its agreement with contractor Kiewit-General Construction Co. of Poulsbo.

$1.5 million still on site

An additional $1.5 million in materials remains at the site on the Port Angeles Harbor.

Still, if construction could have been completed in Port Angeles, the audit said the loss would have been $15 million less than the eventual cost of moving the project to other places.

The graving yard would have built 20 giant concrete anchors and 55 pontoons, plus highway decks, to replace the aging east end of the floating bridge.

The retrofit was budgeted at $275.8 million in 2003 but has climbed to $470.1 million as of last March.

About $15 million of the increase came from contract renegotiations and engineering changes.

The rest came from higher materials costs, project delays and separate construction sites.

Pontoon construction is under way at Concrete Technologies in Tacoma, while the draw span and decks will be constructed in Seattle and the anchors will be poured in Port Gamble.

Completion, originally scheduled for this year, now is set for 2010.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 2, 2006 02:47 PM
11. Geof is right on target: we should have a thorough regional review of what we've learned from SMP, light rail, third runway, and all the other projects with high overruns, dubious data, significant opposition and questionable benefits. Most important: what do we do to make sure we're actually making decisions based on truth, not a bunch of lies? This "we" means city council, county council, rtid, port, or even voters if we get a say.

There have been so many times when original costs have been sand bagged and then ooooops, someone has to pay extra, it is really hard to believe that won't happen again.

One big difference between the viaducat and any other project: replacement, or tear down, are definite options. This is not just a new construction project. But evaluating these options is much more complex than just evaluating tunnel vs. aerial rebuild.

Posted by: Commentator on June 2, 2006 02:50 PM
12. Nice catch Cynical. And your article shows why one should always read around before accepting liberal dogma like that spewed by Goldstein. Here are two posts from HA last year regarding the Hood Canal Bridge. The posts addressed only one small aspect of the project that WSDOT managed to get right. Goldstein lauded government of course and used the success of this one aspect of the project to help sell the overall viability of WSDOT and campaign for the defeat of I-912.

Moonbats don't need much convincing. As long as it comes from a Progressive Horse's Ass, they'll eat it up.

http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=934
http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=909

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 2, 2006 03:31 PM
13. damn, sharky cited both the weakly and joel c. in the same post. i'm at a loss for words.

Posted by: Harry Callahan on June 2, 2006 04:01 PM
14. The Weekly has a newer story up now reporting that the mayor has changed his story - "They must have contacted their attorney" says Nick Licata, who is wondering if he can get videos shot for his pet projects too.

Posted by: playbook on June 2, 2006 04:03 PM
15. Let's all give it up for "The Big Dig West." Just as costly and just as successful! Aggah!

Posted by: Fed Up on June 2, 2006 06:51 PM
16. Yeh so the needs another 3 billion for this boondoggle, 2 Billion for the roads, 16 Billion for new UnSound transit, We were at about $1000 per year for every man woman and child in this state withjust the 2 Billion for roads. Add the other 19 to 20 Billion, plus Ron Sim's sales tax increase for roads........where would that put us on the scale of highest taxed state in the nation? We were 4th highest before all of these new taxes, plus the 13% to 20% and more property tax hikes this year alone.

Keep voting in these Do Nothing liberals.......Suck ya dry!

Posted by: GS on June 3, 2006 03:01 AM
17. 1 Like the Seattle Times, I guess Joel Connelly can write normal, well thought out columns when he wants to
2 The Nisqually Earthquake happened in Apr-2001 or five (5) plus years ago, and Greg Nickels and Seattle City Council are still "talking to death" the options and the solutions
3 Esoterically I prefer a cut and cover tunnel, because it reopens the waterfront
4 Unfortuneately you cannot trust the cost estimates provided, there are engineering problems with the soil conditions, and the steepness of the grade to connect w/ the Battery Street Tunnel portion of SR 99 is prohibitive to commercial trucking.
5 Given the problems associated w/ Sound Transit aka "the deadbeat Dad of government", because they
do not pay their contractors w/in 30 days as required by the prompt pay act of State and Federal Government, you cannot trust the estimates provided by the City of Seattle Transportation Department
6 Retrofitting the viaduct is good enough

Posted by: Green Lake Mark on June 3, 2006 05:52 AM
18. Of course, we'll see what Gregoire does but my bet is still on her to step in and insist on the Retrofit. The money is already available for the Retrofit -- in fact she saves money and can use the savings for 520 -- and there are NO SEPA-based lawsuits for an emergency repair. Plus McGavick is already pounding on the competency issue by making fun of Seattle and the Viaduct has the makings to be a poster-child for big city Democrat bumbling. In fact if I were an optimistic skeptic I'd wonder if in fact the Retrofit has not already started -- one lane of the Viaduct is closed this weekend for repairs.

Posted by: David Sucher on June 3, 2006 08:56 AM
19. Retrofit is the way to go....and we can always put a brick facade on the thing to make it better looking. Also, get the bums/homeless out from underneath it so it isn't such an ugly, piss-stained/smelling place. How about actually repairing the roadway under it too? Then you are set. Cost to taxpayers is minimal.

Posted by: Dengle on June 3, 2006 10:44 AM
20. David Sucher,

Gregoire is a Democrat and therefore by nature corrupt, but she is not politically stupid.
I agree with your analysis.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on June 4, 2006 12:32 PM
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