June 13, 2006
I can hardly believe Logan resigned and forced mail voting is delayed, perhaps indefinitely. We're scoring this as a victory. So let's celebrate! At The Liberty Bar tonight at 7:00pm (517 15th Ave. E. Seattle, WA).
It just so happens that today is Gentry Lange's birthday. So we're expanding that celebration to include our victory party.
This is a rare opportunity to improve election integrity in King County. We need ideas, discussion, setting priorities, and action. I imagine there's much the left, right, and otherwise won't agree on. However that goes, let's identify our shared principles and work together where we can. I think everyone will be surprised how much we do agree on.
But tonight we celebrate!
Posted by Jason Osgood at June 13, 2006
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1. Enjoy! I'll be celebrating in spirit with y'all. and Happy Birthday to Gentry.
This morning I was delighted to hear the news of Dean Logan's resignation and the likely deferral til at least 2008 of forced mail voting. The interviews with Stefan on radio this morning were great. It was amusing to hear the difference in questions from Kirby and from Dave Ross.
I'll be babysitting grandsons at the time of your party this evening. Happy birthday to Gentry. Until I heard him speak at the council meeting June 5, I was not aware of him, but I really appreciated what he had to say, and I think it was effective.
Why doesn't King County have an auditor?
3. Sounds like it's going to be kind of a small group. You might want to move it over to the Montlake Alehouse and join Goldy's party celebrating the repeal of I-747. You'd have a lot more fun.
Hey, Uncle Witless--
How's that crow tastin'? I just saw that YOU were predicting that Rove would be indicted. In fact, you were quite certain of it.
5. If time allows, I'll be there! Rs and Greens should get together more often for these kind of things! Thanks for organizing it!
Just a couple blocks from where we live, but I have a meeting in Wallingford at the same time. Otherwise I would be there. I will be there in spirit. Great victory.
7. Sounds like it's going to be kind of a small group. You might want to move it over to the Montlake Alehouse and join Goldy's party celebrating the repeal of I-747. You'd have a lot more fun.
Liberal mental illness on display. Celebrating the taxing of someone else.
Their party can also double as a wake and period of mourning for Al Zarqawi.
8. I'll try to make a brief appearance. I already pre-scheduled myself to show up at the Drinking Liberally thing so I can break bread with the other side.
9. sure you chose liberty for its name and not for its drinks.
I plan to be there.
Anyone noticed the irony in the reported "effective date" of Logan's departure? July 14?
A further coincidence: that day, the Washington Coalition for Open Government will have an afternoon event (low or no cost), on open government issues ("Digitizing Government Transparency"), in Spokane, at the local community college. For lawyers, it'll be good for a few hours of CLE credit (higher charge for them).
11. celebrating the repeal of I-747
A judge overturning the vote of the people so property taxes can be raised. That's what you want to celebrate.
Again. Shout it from the highest hilltops what you believe. Let everybody know what you really stand for. Please. Announce to everybody in the bar what you're celebrating. And then spill out into the streets doing the same. Hell, pass the hat and take out an ad. Use your full constitutional right to free speech. If you truly believe the public is on your side, than you'll make no secret of it.
And I'll be sure to point out your position to those who aren't 'celebrating' when they get their next property tax statement.
The PI blog (?) has a forum for how to choose Logan's replacement. I've already weighed in. (I currently support creating an elected partisan position of auditor.)
13. Thanks for planning Jason. Can't make it up from the South Sound. Being a Dad takes priority tonight as my wife has another commitment. But, everyone quaff a few for me and celebrate all the good news.
14. Great news today. Wish it were possible for me to come to the party. Someone is babysitting grandchildren, someone is babysitting children, and I am "baby sitting" horses in Yelm. Grandchildren would be more fun. Let us hope they never bring up the subject of forced mail voting again! Neighhhhhh!
15. jimg raises a really good point. Uncle Witz will you please write a letter to the editor, and maybe even take out TV and radio ads, and tell the people that you and other democrats are for raising property taxes as much as possible, and that it is a good day that taxpayer-voted limits on increases got thrown out?? that will make our job so much easier here on the right.
Thanks for organizing this and I agree we should make these occassions a regular thing to celebrate and plan. A great day for the King County election department.
Now we will have to work on eliminating the tax happy SOB's in this state.
17. Ha--my hubby says my democrat friend in California who just got his behind whooped in last week's CA primary ought to get to know Dean Logan for the benefit of future races, if you get my drift.
18. Hummmm... 17 comments, most saying they can't make it, several sneering at my invite to the Montlake Alehouse, and the rest just congratulating Mr. Logan on his new job. Sounds like it's going to be a great party there a the "Liberty" bar. Love the name. Reminds me of the "Star Spangled Manor" up at Coles Corner near Lake Wenatchee. A great place to order "freedom fries". You guys really crack me up.
19. Just proves we don't have to drink to stomach the party we belong to. We'd just like to drink (but can no longer afford to) to stomach the party you belong to!
Of course they want Dean Logan in CA. Heck they LOST in the 50th race. They need a "turn around" guy, if you know what I mean.
Apparently the voters without papers weren't enough to steal the elections down there. Tamany Hall LA Edition.
21. Unkl, I've noticed that there are several commenters in these threads, and they put in one comment usually per theme. Over at HA, haven't you noticed that it's the same 3 or 4 people putting in dozens of comments to make it look like there are many people on it? That's the difference.
Me: Your point about the same folks putting in multiple comments over at H.A. is well taken. But I don't think that accounts for the majority of the posts. What I notice over there is some fairly cogent exchanges of views from both sides of the aisle. The factual and intellectual content of the posts run the gamut from zero to surprisingly high. I see an open forum with a lot of discussion.
Here, I see the same 17 people with the same point of view: i.e. conservatives are wise and benevolent, liberals are stupid and evil. You all feel Dino Rossi was the real winner of last state gubernatorial contest and that Dean Logan and Ron Simms personally rigged the election to put Gregiore in.
I understand why you feel that way, but we're all stuck with the outcome and it’s getting a bit tiresome to go on about it. What I don't understand is why none of you seem to connect the dots and now empathize with how the Dems felt after a similarly narrow election at the national level in 2000.
Other than that, I think the topics on this forum are pretty stale and boring, insignificant compared to the national issues that currently face us all.
Guess that's why I don't spend much time here anymore. But thanks for asking.
23. Unk: What I see at HA is a slurry of four-letter words being sprayed all over the place---which is why I don't spend much time there pretty much ever.
..oh, and the big difference between 2000 and 2004, is that in each case, the republican won the first two counts (there were only 2 in FL, of course, and Algore never won a single one). A large majority of WAtonians believe Dino won becaluse they could see how KCE was run (even Judge Bridges admitted that KCE was a pigsty administratively) and how they conducted things, and how many mistakes and how much fraud happened--they could do the math in their head and realize that if you factor out all the illegal votes from a heavily democrat county, Dino had won. I don't know why you don't see that.
I hadn't really noticed that you don't come in here anymore. Hadn't really thought about it. I don't think anyone else has, either.
Humm.. I spent a few minutes over on H.A. this afternoon and didn't see any of those words that offend you so. Maybe you should give it another look.
I don't recall Judge Bridges using those terms to describe the KCE process, but I think we all agree mistakes were made. But to imply that all the other counties ran an error free election is complete B.S. If you put any other county in the state under that microscope, you would find a similar number of problems.
Judge Bridges took a hard look at the whole thing and decided to let it be. The Supreme Court of the United States took a hard look at the 2000 Presidential race and came to the same conclusion. I'm inclined to take that as the final word and move on to more current issues, since those two are resolved for all practical purposes. But I'm also aware there are some hard feelings on both sides about each. I just don't think it is in the best interest of our polity to continue to pour salt into either wound.
26. Didn't say the other counties were for sure error-free, but they weren't 'finding' ballots several times, either. And they weren't found to have had all the stuff that Stefan's unearthed here. I would gladly compare, say, Kittitas County with King, and say up front that you're not going to proportionally find the kind of problems that we've found here. No 'homeless' voters with foreign permanent addresses, etc.
What is best to do is FIX what everyone knows is wrong in KC, but that has not. 65% of WAtonians still don't think the problems have been solved. Why is that?? I'll bet you don't even believe the problems have been solved. There is everything right with demanding clean elections. Democrats who've scoffed at Stefan continuing to unearth new double voters (if you haven't been here lately, you've missed some new findings on that) and unbelievable slop here there and everywhere that he's discovered with the help of others here (again, he's blogged about it lately, but you probably haven't read that) are most likely not caring about fraud, and can only be taken to mean that they find some partisan advantage to it. Just because they don't mind it doesn't mean it's good and should be kept. We have every right to demand clean elections, and not to have our votes cancelled out by illegal votes, as they were in '04 and even in '05. Bet you didn't know about the Capitol Hill woman who received and voted TWO ballots in '04, AND received two ballots and VOTED both in '05, as well. THIS is supposed to represent good work down at KCE??? I don't think so!
We'll keep demanding clean elections until we get them, and we'll be right to do it.
27. Good ol' uncle witless...inanity offered with all the desirability of a turd in a punchbowl...