July 07, 2006
Oxygen Burner

Darcy Burner is at this hour burning oxygen and taking calls on KUOW Weekday with Steve Scher. (Congressman Reichert was originally scheduled for this hour, but had a last minute schedule change. He is after all a Congressman and not, say, an unemployed law school drop-out).

Burner acknowledged at the outset that she never worked in Sen. Cantwell's office, contrary to what the Seattle Times misreported on May 15 and June 26. Oops. The Times bio of Burner keeps getting thinner:

Political experience: Never held public office. Worked in Sen. Maria Cantwell's office while in law school, 2004. Chair of Hoppers, Microsoft women's organization. President of the Ames Lake Neighborhood AssociationCommunity Club.
Scher asked "the blogosphere is accusing you of resume inflation. Were you ever an executive at Microsoft?". Good question. Burner did not reassert that she was an executive. (Sorry, thehim, even Darcy's backing down on this one)

Burner states correctly that a big role of a member of Congress is constituent service, an area in which she has zero experience -- except for her presidency of the Ames Lake Community Club, which as we'll see when I post the emails she sent out to the Club, was hardly a stellar example of constituent service.

Burner's discussion of Iraq is completely incoherent: she says that the military has been successful at completing its mission in Iraq, but claims the politicians in Washington are interfering with their ability to complete the mission and aren't getting the resources they need, so she wants to pull out of Iraq after they complete the job which she doesn't seem to know what that is.

A union fireman is calling in, expressing confidence in Reichert and wants to know what Burner has done to prepare herself to make decisions on homeland security. The lacuna in her answer says: nothing.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 07, 2006 09:35 AM | Email This
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1.
Sure...she was "only" a manager with two layers of managers below.
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Of course, if you are a Republican Candidate fixing trucks qalifies you as an Executive.

To all you wingnuts that want to dismiss Darcy, I say: feel free! I mean, so she has a Harvard degree in Computer Science and worked her way up from being a programmer to being an executive/manager/person-in-charge-o-stuff, what relevance does that have to the 8th? So what if she has real-world business experience and a Harvard degree in economics---the voters of the 8th don't care about businesses and economics. They love the fact that Reichert spends taxpayer money on content-less campaign propaganda. They relish a good budget deficit and a mountainous national debt (it reminds them of Mt. Ranier!).

So, to all my wingnut friends I say, move along now...nothing to see here...just ignore the girl. She'll go away, right? Right? RIGHT????

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 10:06 AM
2. dj:

Well, if Darcy Burner's Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science truly impresses you - then you must hold President George W Bush's MBA from Harvard in even higher esteem, right? If Darcy is intelligent, well, the President must be MORE so, right?

And since you think real-world business experience is so important, I'll be interested to read you compare and contrast the CEO resume of Mike McGavick to the Darcy-Burner-like-mid-level-management resume of Maria Cantwell!

You libs just make it too easy to use your own logic against you. You walk right into it like you're blind.

Posted by: Larry on July 7, 2006 10:12 AM
3. Stefan - here's another important distinction to make: Burner sells herself as a military brat, with a brother currently serving. Of course, she herself doens't have military experience -- but she props herself up as understanding those issues because of familial ties.

Posted by: Patrick on July 7, 2006 10:16 AM
4. Larry: Excellent comments. And yes, they are blind. And I'll bet dj won't respond because when liberals are confronted with logical rebuttals to their nonsense, they are silent.

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 10:18 AM
5. Burner's discussion of Iraq is completely incoherent: she says that the military has been successful at completing its mission in Iraq, but claims the politicians in Washington are interfering with their ability to complete the mission and aren't getting the resources they need, so she wants to pull out of Iraq after they complete the job which she doesn't seem to know what that is.

Ooopsie. Somebody needs to email the dnc for the latest talking points, stat.

This dem trolls, is why no one is afraid of any of your candidates on Iraq. NONE of you are capable of articulating anything that even resembles coherency on the subject.

You don't understand the tactical picture.

You don't understand the strategic implications of stay vs. withdraw.

You don't know nearly enough about the situation on the ground as you think you do.

And finally, you've believed all of your press clippings to date, creating your very own self-fulfilling prophecy.

The fact is, nobody trusts you to run a local espresso stand, much less hand you the keys to US foreign policy. You're feckless, insincere, you stand for nothing, and will do anything to remain popular.

You're the political equivalent of a high school girl with low self esteem who feels she needs to {blanked out} all the boys to be "popular".

The rest of the world loved Bill Clinton for exactly this same reason. In the end, the rest of the world used him like the example above and walked away smiling, leaving the US with...nothing.

Which is exactly what we can expect from the current crop of democrats.

Posted by: Steve_dog on July 7, 2006 10:19 AM
6. dj:

Even though she might have a degree from harvard, that is of itself meaningless. Paper is easy enough to come by. All it takes is the ability to shovel leftsist BS, do short term rote memory and pay for the privilige.

Did she learn anything to go with that paper? Honesty? Ethics? I didn't think so.

Perhaps dumocrats think that just working for m$ and having a harvard degree is significant and totally qualifying, but there are those of us who did learn critical thinking that know better.

/ex dimocrap (not to be confused with the current disaster that party has become).

Posted by: Fox3 on July 7, 2006 10:20 AM
7. Larry,
You forgot her degree in Economics, too. I'll take that over Shrub MBA anyday given his abysmal record in bankrupting everything he touches. And I will certainly take Burner's business experience over Reichert's. Reichert was probably a good cop, but he sucked as a manager and is a failure as a congressman.

McGavick? McGavick who? Oh...you mean Mike! (what the heck does net neutrality mean?) McGavick. Or were you refering to Mike! (CAFE standards activist) McGavick? Well...good business experience (if you want an insurance co. exec as senator). Unfortunately, he bonked his head too many times playing rugby--dumb as dirt!

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 10:30 AM
8. Darcy Burnout has 2 sons, one of whom is named Quixote. Quixote!!????

Well, now we know the root of her penchant for tilting at windmills!

Posted by: John425 on July 7, 2006 10:51 AM
9. Darcy "sells" herself as a military brat because...umm...she is a military brat. She doesn't sell herself as having military experience because, she wasn't in the military (just like prominent current and former Rep.'s, you know, DeLay, Frist, Hastert).

To me it is a little surprising that Darcy never mentions that she has been a member of the Civil Air Patrol (a civilian auxillary of the Air Force) for something like 20 years. But, I imagine you wingnuts won't even give her public service credit for that.

Like I said before...just ignore the Girl...she's no threat to you. She'll just go away, won't she?

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 11:05 AM
10. DJ: A degree in economics is impressive? Economists, like Pacific NW weathermen, are usually wrong, and get to keep their jobs! The perfect Democrat-no responsiblity for your own actions.

And, Bush has bankrupted everything he has touched? Good Lord, man, you have no connection with reality whatsoever? Ever heard of the Texas Rangers, you moron?

McGavick, dumb as dirt? Ever heard of the monumental financial turnaround of Safeco under is command?

Dumb as dirt applies to you, a dunderheaded, fact impaired, reality denial syndrome, babbling embarrassment.......

Posted by: hank on July 7, 2006 11:05 AM
11. Reichert. November. 55 percent.

But it is entertaining to read all these wonderful things about a place-holder candidate. In the middle of July.

Posted by: jimg on July 7, 2006 11:16 AM
12. hank,
I have no doubt that a dual degree in computer science and economics wouldn't be impressive to many wingnuts. I mean that's that icky higher education thing that only serves to train liberals. I mean, science is just opinion, evolution is a theory, global warming is a myth, right? We don't want no danged people who take higher education too seriously, do we?

Man...you wingnuts are too precious!

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 11:21 AM
13. And you looney lefties are like the stuff I scrape off of the bottom of my shoes...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 7, 2006 11:26 AM
14. Larry makes some really good points, DJ.

Personally, I've always been impressed by W's MBA from Harvard. They don't let just anybody into HBS. And they make it tough to get through the program, and they don't care whose son you are while you're going through it.

Posted by: Michele on July 7, 2006 11:32 AM
15. dj:

You really are stupid aren't you? Ignorance can be fixed but stupidity is terminal. Ya can't fix stupid.

Higher education in this country (thanks to the left) generally means you got stoned with your prof and ranted against those who not only have a higher education (actually learned something other than mindless ranting) and something called common sense and can actually do something *productive* with it.

FWIW: She isn't going to go away, she will be put away. People in this country appear to be finally waking up to the dims sedition and insanity (granted that would suprise me here in scabattle).

Sheesh I do so love moonbat loonies without a clue, they are so entertaining eve if they are so pathetic.

/ok, kicking cripples as ceased to be fun, go away moron.

Posted by: Fox3 on July 7, 2006 11:34 AM
16. I mean, science is just opinion, evolution is a theory, global warming is a myth, right? We don't want no danged people who take higher education too seriously, do we?

ROTFLMAO!

Posted by: Steve_dog on July 7, 2006 11:34 AM
17. Shark - come on. Reichert ducks out of a number of public forums, and Darcy Burner fills in on KUOW and answers all the questions with substance and intelligently. If you don't agree with her political positions that's one thing, but you don't even bother addressing any of that.

A posting like this one is so blindingly partisan, even for you, that you just come across as laughable in your comments.

I bet a lot of people who expected to hear Reichert were hearing Burner for the first time and I bet a lot of them liked what she was saying and agreed with what she was saying.

Reichert has become the AWOL legislator, do nothing sub-committee chairman. Burner brings an energy and common sense that is refreshing in light of Reichert's rubberstamp Republicanism.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 11:41 AM
18. Daniel K If you don't agree with her political positions that's one thing, but you don't even bother addressing any of that.

Not true. Read the whole entry. I addressed the fact that her position on Iraq was completely incoherent.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on July 7, 2006 11:43 AM
19. Fox3,

Many thanks for the salient demonstration of uninformed anti-intellectualism. You Go Wingnut!

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 11:57 AM
20. FYI - Evolution is a theory. That is why it is called the "Theory of Evolution".

Maybe they do not teach that at Evergreen or in the Seattle School District.

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 12:02 PM
21. Thanks, DJ for your posts. I mean it. I desperately needed a good laugh. You're the tops!

Posted by: Danny on July 7, 2006 12:14 PM
22. Must be boring over at HA today !!!!

Posted by: Chris on July 7, 2006 12:21 PM
23. Fred,

Nope... In the biological sciences, microevolution is fact with very little disagreement over the fundamental mechanisms (drift, natural selection, mutation, gene flow). Macroevolution is recognized as fact, but there is far more disagreement over the tempo and mode by which it occurs, and the relative importance of different mechanisms of speciation. Even so, the underlying assumption is that evolution is real.

Biologists quit debating whether evolution really happens or not in the early 1900s, following the rediscovery of Mendel's principles--the real debate by then was over mechanisms.

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 12:22 PM
24. Looks like dumb jerk has taken over for Lee(thehim)as the clueless moonbat du jour here. It is entertaining up to a point, but I agree with Fox3 that it's not polite to kick cripples.

Arguing with these mental midgets is like getting into a battle of wits against an unarmed man.

Posted by: Observer on July 7, 2006 12:22 PM
25. Reichert has become the AWOL legislator, do nothing sub-committee chairman.

Again, please remind me of the other freshman legislators who chair sub-committees.

And this 'ducking debates' stuff is as old as the hills. For both parties. The incumbent has no reason to debate; the challenger has every reason to debate. Why would the incumbent give the challenger any more name rec by agreeing to debates? (And psst. It's July.) Just because the R is the incumbent and the D the challenger doesn't make it any different. Do some background research for a change. The political world did indeed exist before ChimpyHitler was annointed in 2000.

Posted by: jimg on July 7, 2006 12:29 PM
26. "Even so, the underlying assumption is that evolution is real."

That is why it is a theory.

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 12:30 PM
27. But...back on topic....

Darcy pointed out today that Dave Reichert's sub-committee has sat on a number bills that would enact the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission.

So, what's up with that? Why can't Reichert get ANYTHING out of the sub-committee he chairs?

Darcy supports fully implementing the 9-11 Commission recommendations, whereas the current congress got an F from the Commission over their inaction--in part, thanks to Reichert's sub-committee..

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 12:33 PM
28. Ever consider that all of the recommendations by the 9-11 commission may not be what is desired? Is the 9-11 commission now above the three branches of government and they are required to do as the commission says?

Or is just more leftie rhetoric?

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 12:38 PM
29. " For as much fanfare as Darwin's book "The Origin of Species" has received over the past century and a half, precious little notice has been paid to its subtitle: "The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life."

The idea of a superior race eliminating all "inferiors" on the basis of evolutionary dogma originated not with Hitler, but with Darwin. Not surprisingly, this was an idea also enthusiastically embraced by the racist and eugenicist Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.

Hitler was so enamored with Darwin's work that he considered dedicating his own book, "Mein Kampf," to him. His slaughter of six million Jews and millions of others in the death camps was a direct result of Darwin's influence on him.

The philosophy of Social Darwinism is also at the root of communism and apartheid, and it is still wreaking havoc worldwide. Nowhere is this seen more clearly than in the abortion holocaust, the taking of the most powerless and vulnerable lives of all by the blood-for-money abortion industry. Before evolution permeated our culture, it would have been virtually impossible to enact a law legalizing the mass extermination of unborn children in America. But in 1973, after decades of evolutionary proselytizing, the U.S. Supreme Court gave us the inhumane and unconstitutional Roe vs. Wade decision. Thirty-three years and well over 40 million dead babies later, there's still no end in sight to the carnage.

We've reached the point where partial-birth abortions continue unabated despite being opposed by a vast majority of Americans, and where Republicans in Congress had to struggle to pass a law banning the killing of live-born infants! Meanwhile, liberal politicians and media elites are pushing euthanasia and assisted suicide as the next steps down this slippery slope, hoping to rid society of more of those whom Hitler debased as the "useless eaters" (the elderly, disabled, etc.).

Call it the natural progression of natural selection - By Tom Flannery July 1, 2006 "

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 12:40 PM
30. Fred,

The 9-11 Commission investigated 9-11 and the threats of terrorism comprehensively--in far more detail than Congress or any single member of congress could.

While it is conceivable that there are a few less-than-stellar recommendations, is that really an excuse for massive delays (18 months under Reichert's tenure) of large chunks of their recommendations?

Come on, Fred, even the whackiest of wingnuts found much merit in the 9-11 Commission's recommendations when they weren't an election issue!

How are Reichert's delays (and his lack of any legislation coming out of his sub-committee) making us safer?

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 12:51 PM
31. dj: Darwin's "Theory" has never been proven. Even as he published his "theory" he stated there was no proof, but expected it to be observable in the future. Only problem is, that stickly little problem of proof has never been observed, much less published.

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 01:01 PM
32. Would that be the very same 9-11 commission that had as one of it's chief whiners the same Jamie Gorelick who under Clinton said that the CIA and FBI could not share information? Seems like that would have had a stultifying effect on intelligence that could have prevented 9-11.

And Reichert should bend over backwards on her reccomendations?

Posted by: dan on July 7, 2006 01:01 PM
33. DJ - Why don't you explain which recommendations are being held up and the reasons behind it? These platitudes are meaningless.

I don't recall you deriding the Ds when they held up discussion on fixing SS. Is that what we would have to look forward with Burner? The Ds policy on SS is "No".

What was said?

Doesn't matter, the answer is No!

Is it broken? No!

Will there be a problem in the future? No!

Are any changes needed? No!

And you say the Rs fall lockstep behind the leadership!

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 01:02 PM
34. Uh dj,

Note that Democrats are blocking many of the recommendations of the 9-11 commision. A lot of legislation never makes it out of committee and there's no reason to believe that an even more freshman, less connected Burner would have any easier time with new legislation than Reichert. That's why it's the legislative branch. Everything is done by committee and it takes a lot more to build the consensus to get things done. Contrast that with the executive branch where the power if more focused. But when Bush goes and makes some serious policy efforts to protect us by data mining phone and banking records, suddenly you and the rest of the left are all up in arms.

So which is it? Do you want security or do you not want security? Or is it just that you want whatever discredits Bush the most? Your argument boils down to Reichert being a proxy for Bush.

The reality is that in a war against Fanatical Theocracy, there are many fronts. Reichert stands for being more agressive and being more confrontaitional using military force. Burner is back pedaling over herself a-la John Kerry to try and appear as having a tough war stance to appeal to moderates, while at the same time urging for a withdrawal to appeal to moonbats. It did not work for Kerry and it won't work for Burner.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 7, 2006 01:06 PM
35. So, Cheryl,

You are saying that you believe that Darwin used the word "race" there in the same way that, say, an English-speaking Hitler would?

Uh-huh.

Thanks for, yet, another superb example of uninformed anti-intellectualism by a fine representative of the batspit crazy Wingnut brigade.

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 01:07 PM
36. dj - Actually Hitler spoke German. There is this new-fangled device called a dictionary. Its purpose is to show the meaning of a word or phrase in one language in another. A word with the same meaning as 'race' does exist in German.

Does that help?

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 01:12 PM
37. Here's an excellent essay that provides insight into the world view that shapes the thoughts and daily identity changes of a person like dj, aka thehim, aka Roger Rabbit, aka Green Thumb, aka Goldy.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 7, 2006 01:30 PM
38. jimg wrote, "And this 'ducking debates' stuff is as old as the hills. For both parties. The incumbent has no reason to debate; the challenger has every reason to debate. Why would the incumbent give the challenger any more name rec by agreeing to debates?"

Reichert wasn't an incumbent when he ducked out of debates in 2004. He simply doesn't have what it takes to engage in a live, unscripted debate on the issues, and will go out of his way this campaign to avoid them.

The voters are the losers when candidates do that.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 01:40 PM
39. Fred

\"Even so, the underlying assumption is that evolution is real.\"

Nope...it is assumed because it has been demonstrated conclusively--sort of like the assumption that the Earth is a spheroid.

Of course, there is always the flat earth society to lend some comedy to the topic....

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 01:44 PM
40. Fred

\"Even so, the underlying assumption is that evolution is real.\"

Nope...it is assumed because it has been demonstrated conclusively--sort of like the assumption that the Earth is a spheroid.

Of course, there is always the flat earth society to lend some comedy to the topic....

Posted by: dj on July 7, 2006 01:45 PM
41. Fred et al.

Just when things get interesting, I am getting the following message:

Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:

In an effort to curb malicious comment posting by abusive users, I\'ve enabled a feature that requires a weblog commenter to wait a short amount of time before being able to post again. Please try to post your comment again in a short while. Thanks for your patience.

Except for offering a farewell to you all, I\'ll respect Stefan\'s wishes and not try to circumvent the filter. Stop by HA if you seriously want to continue the discussion....

Posted by: dj2 on July 7, 2006 01:51 PM
42. Ok, Ross, er i mean dj, could you just open your mind like this much, ok? Wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the world was flat? And, up until like what, 50 years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess of crap came out. Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?

Posted by: Phoebe Buffay on July 7, 2006 02:00 PM
43. The reason you assume something is because you cannot prove it - aka a theory.

There is proof that the world is round, from explorers that started off in one direction and eventually end up where they started from, or of course, the photographs that show the earthe being a sphere.

Posted by: Fred on July 7, 2006 02:06 PM
44. So dj, it is assumed because it has been demonstrated conclusively... well, then please explain why "genetically repsonisble" homosexuality STILL exists.

Because you cannot believe both that the "fittest survive" (although that aptly describes the Republican party vs the D'RAT party, but I digress) AND that homosexuals are "born that way".

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 02:09 PM
45. Stop by HA if you seriously want to continue the discussion.... -Posted by dj2 at July 7, 2006 01:51 PM

H'ASS
serious discussion

!!!
Hello, oxymoron!
!!!

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 02:14 PM
46. dj: continuing with the Darwin thing, perhaps you could explain, in Darwinian and evolutionary terms, of the many prehistoric species still in exixtence and flourishing today, thousands and thousands of years later, with no changes from their prehistoric state, such as, for instance, crocodiles, alligators? How does the theory of evolution deal with them, other than just ignore them?

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 02:37 PM
47. katomar and others might enjoy this strip, http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2006/07/02/, or not.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 02:49 PM
48. Cheryl, that's for sure. I'll give credit to DJ for remaining pretty civil as he commented here at SP. The same would definitely not be true at HA. Every single comment thread degrades into a profanity laced attack session. Serious discussion is not possible at HA. And if you look at DJs own comments on HA, you will see that he is just as guilty as the rest.

The bar has been set low at HA. HA is full of filth. And Goldy not only makes no attempt to clean it up, but he actively encourages it, and appears, save for the obligatory disclaimer, to enjoy the raunch.

Another reason SP is far superior.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 7, 2006 02:51 PM
49. Daniel:
You and Doonesbury are kind of proving my point. Someone designed the capacity for the intelligence we are endowed with in order to deal with and resolve problems, and therefore be a superior species. Wonder who that dude was?

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 03:14 PM
50. Jeff B - My observation is that people like JCH or whatever he calls himself do nothing but spew disgusting racist jabs at HA, often as the first comment and totally off topic. I hope he doesn't represent the SP crowd, but he certainly plays that role.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 03:16 PM
51. katomar - obviously the strip was too nuanced for you to understand.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 03:17 PM
52. Daniel: What an extraordinarily arrogant statement! But then, I guess anyone who thinks Doonesbury is funny should be given a little slack. That particular cartoon was not even based on reality. Most surgeons and M.D,'s are deeply religious.

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 03:32 PM
53. Reichert wasn't an incumbent when he ducked out of debates in 2004. He simply doesn't have what it takes to engage in a live, unscripted debate on the issues, and will go out of his way this campaign to avoid them.

I'm only aware of one instance where Reichert left a debate. I don't recall the situation around it, nor do I recall exactly how many debates he did or did not participate in. Not my district, so your point about him not being a willing participant in debates may hold. Others would know.

However, I don't buy into the theory that voters are less served by a lack of debates. It's not like we get Lincoln and Douglas when they do have them. And I'm not sure an elected official should be judged on whether or not they can speak well - unscripted - on the issues. It's their actions on those issues I'm more concerned about. I know many elected officials who can sing the song with the best of them, and they should be nowhere near a position of power.

Quite frankly, the only time I can recall any debate having an impact on a race was the Murray/Chandler debate in 1992, when Rod decided it was a great time to sing and made each and every voter question just what the hell he was thinking, and reach for the hanging rope themselves.

Again, all this talk in the middle of July means nothing. Let's get past Labor Day and see where they stand.

Posted by: jimg on July 7, 2006 03:36 PM
54. jimg wrote, "Again, all this talk in the middle of July means nothing. Let's get past Labor Day and see where they stand."

I'd give you that if Reichert didn't already have a voting record he needed to explain.

Certainly as the race closes in on election day the need for both candidates to reveal themselves to the voting public will grow. I'd like to see a face to face debate on the issues. Such a thing can never hurt the voter, but it does help identify the deficiencies and strengths of the candidates.

The mileage may vary.

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 03:45 PM
55. katomar wrote, "Daniel: What an extraordinarily arrogant statement!"

My apologies, you are correct that probably came across arrogantly.

What I was trying to say was that the strip was poking at the creationist patient's disbelief in evolution by pointing out that the bug that needed to be treated had evolved.

Your response seemed to indicate that you missed that point.

As to your statement that "most surgeons and M.D,'s are deeply religious", perhaps you can point me to where you heard or read that. I find that a little hard to believe if being deeply religious also means they do not believe in evolution.

A quick Google search turns up this study that claims 63% of doctors believe in evolution (http://www.physorg.com/news6847.html).

Posted by: Daniel K on July 7, 2006 03:56 PM
56. Daniel: Didn't miss the point, just happened to not agree with it. If, in your mind that makes one not quite as bright as you, then I am sorry for you. There is no reason why the two theories cannot co-exist. If you peel back the layers and stages of evolution or development of this planet's species, eventually you do come to the first basic living organism. No one has been able to satisfactorily explain that initial point of creation. And no one has been able to explain the perfection of life forms and their complementary characteristics and abilities sustain each other in their eco systems. Something that perfect cannot be random.

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 04:07 PM
57. How much experience does it take to spend 1.074 Trillion dollars?

A fool and his money are soon parted!

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 05:58 PM
58. Hey--where's Thehim? What alias is he using today?

Posted by: Organization Man on July 7, 2006 06:05 PM
59. You pavlovian republicans keep making the same mistake, 2006 is not about who is better Dave 'plea bargained the worst murderer in US history' Reichert or Darcy. This election is a referendum on the Republican Party as they control the government. If you like the way the country is being governed vote Republican, if like the fiscal management, if you like how the war on terror is being fought, if you like our boys being put in prison in Camp Pendleton ... then by all means vote Republican - otherwise you have two choices, stay home or vote for the Democrats. However if you are really ticked off, don't stay home make sure your vote counts twice as much by voting for the Democrats.

Darcy could be a mannequin with no resume and beat Dave this November

I also love how the Pavolvian Republicans will say look at 2004 we won despite the polls. Yeah, that's right ... counting on the conservative and religious votes LIKE ME. LOL. There is only so long you can disrespect everything I stand for - that point passed around October '05.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 06:13 PM
60. John McD: Your rants about Reichert and the Green River Killer are getting old. By the way, the new numbers on the federal deficit came out today. Deficit is decreasing even faster than Bush predicted, due to revenues created by tax cuts. I kind of like that fiscal management.

Posted by: katomar on July 7, 2006 06:25 PM
61. Heck, I keep checking SP to see the emails that Ms. Burner wrote as President of the community club. This is like a ratings sweeps week news tease...

Wondering if I could challenge Brian Baird, because after all, I'm the president of our condo association...

C'mon Stefan, lets see the "constituent service" emails...
:-)

Cheers, Mike in America's Vancouver

Posted by: Mike in Vancouver on July 7, 2006 06:30 PM
62. "Darcy could be a mannequin with no resume and beat Dave this November"

First truth you have written here, John.

Darcy Burner is a mannequin with no resume.

Why didn't you dems run somebody with a record like Laura Ruderman? She agrees with your socialist agenda, but at least she has some record of public service, making her vastly more qualified than Darcy Burner.

Sorry I missed out on all the fun today. Like a successful, early retired business man I was slinking from my lakeside home to enjoy the beautiful day on the golf course.

Do any of you liberal bloggers actually have a job, or a life?

Posted by: ameslaker on July 7, 2006 06:34 PM
63. You do understand that Dave can't/couldn't/didn't plea bargain anyone. I guess you missed that day in class when they explained the duties of the law ENFORCEMENT community versus that of the PROSECUTOR.

Dave's job was to catch the criminal, collect, safeguard and bring the evidence to the prosecutor so HE COULD DECIDE whether or not said evidence was worthy and convincing enough to secure a conviction.

That being said, the judicial system in place today is less about justice and fairness than it is about expedience...expediency of both time and money. In regards to the GRK, both time and money were saved, as well as the agony of multiple trials for the victims families left behind to endure them.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 06:36 PM
64. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/73xx/doc7366/07-2006-MBR.pdf

Here is the CBO report on June.

June is normally positive month for reciepts ... note the government took in less money then last year. In May, the deficit was bigger then last year. Just the facts man ... glad you are happy with record spending - maybe in George Bush spent more then the economy would be even better and unemployment rate lower -- you must be a Democratic plant.

Government spending is UP 8.9% which is a lot faster than the economy is growing -- probably the reason the economy is growing at all. HMMMM what do all you supposed conservatives think about that ... what massive logical leaps will you make to justify your dear leader - George Il Bush.

Let's see spend massive amounts of money ... some of it comes back in tax receipts ... declare victory ... oh shoot the value of the dollar dropped again and price of oil shoots to a new record ... oh well we'll blame that on supply and demand ... suckers fall for it every time.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 06:39 PM
65. Futhermore John, you make the arrogant assumption that because grassroots Republicans (by the way, didn't YOU claim to be one??) may be unhappy with the Republicans in DC at the moment that they will suddenly turn their backs on their own guiding principles and vote D'RAT.


I dont' think so.

That would be like saying "my dog smells bad when he's wet. I think I'll get a skunk instead."

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 06:42 PM
66. Technically you are right Cheryl ...

However, am I miss informed, did my eyes trick me, did my hears fail to hear Dave Reichert pushing for and defending this decision.

Oh and all the money we saved ... Oh my Lord, the money was SO important. Not tell me again why Bush is so great because he can spend 1.070 Trillion dollars?

BTW Dave Reichert just spent more money to help a salmon run of 1,500 fishes going around Mud Mountain Dam then it would have cost to put the death penalty on Ridgway ... care to discuss this... or just ignore as you Pavlovian Republicans always do. 1,500 fishes vs. 50+ murders.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 06:44 PM
67. Golly gosh gee whiz John... tell us: what does GW Bush have to do with the reasons for or against the prosecution/plea bargain of the GRK?

Oh I get it.
We all do.
Vote the 'cotton candy debutante', she hates George and she's not Dave.


At least attempt honesty John.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 06:49 PM
68. Once again Cheryl you are right on ... the ONLY hope that Republicans have are that people like (voted for Bush twice and have voted for a democrat maybe twice in my life because I knew the guy personally for State House) me showing up to vote. I AM THE BASE. I'm the guys that sends the checks, does the phone banks, etc. notice how far ahead the Democrats are in fundraising ... hmmm. Why is this? You Pavlovian Republicans who think that Darcy being an executive or not is important are not the base.

When spending rises faster than anytime since LBJ, the value of the dollar drops through the floor, a president imprisons our guys, can't get 20,000 people a drink of water, talks tough but does nothing ... this is going to a be a Jimmy Carter election in reverse.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 06:51 PM
69. I think the MIA-of the 8th cotton candy debutante is unqualified to sit on the water district board. And unfortunately, for the fluff, I get a vote.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 06:54 PM
70. 3-0 Cheryl

I don't think I was trying to hide anything.

Mannequin vs. Dave is not exactly an endorsement of Burner ... I want to fire Dave, not because he is a conservative, or liberal, or moderate. He's just a big spending political hack with a bad temper who let off the US's biggest mass murderer.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 7, 2006 06:54 PM
71. John

I will take 1500 fishes anytime...... Cause if it was one murder or 50, it is still murder....Grow some gonads, and get off the Green River Killer high horse you seem to be riding...

If I didn't know better, I would think you are the Killer, and you are pissed because the wrong killer was caught.... You have so much passion about this subject, makes a person wonder???

Posted by: Chris N on July 7, 2006 06:55 PM
72. Stop with the "he let off a mass murderer". It's bullsh*t and you know it.

The only way a sheriff or any law enforcement can "let off" any criminal is if he opened the hancuffs and whispered "Run boy, RUN".

Posted by: Cheryl on July 7, 2006 06:58 PM
73. Hey John,

You don't like Dave because "He's just a big spending political hack with a bad temper". Darcy Burner is a big spending not yet politcal hack with a really really bad temper.

You have no idea what kind of person Darcy Burner is.

Unqualified, debatable. Patty Murray won after all.

Socialist wack-job with an inflated self esteem - for sure.

No character - lies about her background - documented.

But, you will support her anyway, because like you, she hates Bush, and blames America first for all the ills in the world.

Get a job you moron.

Posted by: ameslaker on July 7, 2006 08:33 PM
74. Apparently, Fred bist ein Berliner.

Posted by: Ben Diamond on July 7, 2006 09:57 PM
75. Ameslaker,

I've never met Darcy so I don't know if she has a bad temper or not. I've seen Reichert's temper in action one time.

I'm not part of the Blame America first crowd, that would be Bush like he did in his interview with Larry King as he tries to appears "popular". There are 8 prisoners sitting in Camp Pendleton, they were not put their by the evil liberals, I'm ashamed to admit that they were put their by the administration that I voted into office that also thinks that being hyper-politically correct is the way to win wars.

One reason why I think the Green River Case is still important is because the "nutroots" Democrats are happy that the death penalty was not applied as so they did not make this a campaign issue. Well why would Republicans want a soft on crime person representing us? Mr. Reichert has also supported soft on crime judges that are nutroot Democrats ... yet you willingly give him your support! Ring the bell, he is a Republican therefore we support him as the Pavlovian Republicans we are.

Note: Even after Ridgway was identified as the suspect by DNA - Reichert and crew took two months to bring him in, in those two months Ridgway (the worst mass murderer in American History) was not followed, new arrest record not pulled, and still picking up prostitutes! Real good police work, I think not. Imagine if a King County Democrat was that sloppy. Is documented lame police work a conservative or liberal issue or simply incompetence? The media was very soft on covering this fiasco because so many families who had lost daughters in the Northwest were trying to put the nightmare behind them.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 07:45 AM
76. For Cheryl, the following is from the Seattle Times. -- Yes, Reichert really supported letting Ridgway off, naturally I would be embarrased if I was you for supporting someone who could not see to push for the execution of the killer of more women then anyone else in American history.

"King County Sheriff Dave Reichert, who was one of the first detectives to be summoned to a Green River crime scene more than 20 years ago, said Maleng made a "bold decision." "

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 07:53 AM
77. If you don't think Ridgway was let off - let's think about what the worst mass murderer in American History must be doing today -

Ah, get up in the morning for nice cup of Joe.
Grab a good book, read for awhile.
Go to the prison internet room, then Post some anti-Darcy stuff on www.soundpolitics.com under the alias Cheryl (just kidding, but it would not surprise me if he wasn't pro-Reichert).
Jog and lift weights for a couple of hours.
Watch a couple of movies.
Oh yeah tough life - meanwhile all the victims are dead and their families living in the carniage of what he created -- go on Cheryl support the soft on crime position all you want.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 08:00 AM
78. John:
I think O.J. was guilty. I do not spend every waking moment and every ounce of communications energy I have on repeating it like a mantra. Move on.

Posted by: katomar on July 8, 2006 08:44 AM
79. Nice try at the attack mode John.

Sorry sweetcheeks, I am Cheryl, I am female, I would love to say kill the bastards but that would be at odds and hypocritical of my PRO-life stance. If I was merely anti-abortion maybe but I'm firmly in the PRO-life corner.

Life in a 10x14 concrete box 23 hours a day? Works for me.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 8, 2006 12:04 PM
80. who is this john guy/ some ex clinton hack...paul begala

yipes, only thing he has when we confront lying darcy is to invent some crap about reichart

carefull ya'll..its right out of the clinton playbook

Posted by: righton on July 8, 2006 12:26 PM
81. Hi Cheryl,

You must of loved Reichert's vote Schavio - given your pro-life stand. Or do you subvert your values for the sake of the party too? Oh, I hope you also noticed how the Reichert/Maleng plea deal raised the cost of capital punishment cases all over the country as lawyers pointed out the gross unfairness of a guy admitting to 48 murders is let off verses their clients 1.

To Righton,
I agree with you that Darcy inflated her resume on being an executive ... what more do you want with that. Should I agree again? No matter how much I agree that Darcy did this, it does not take away from the fact that Reichert is not a conservative, not a liberal, not a moderate ... but an incompetent politician who likes to spend money. Sound Politics would have a field day with him if he wasn't a Republican. Can you imagine if Darcy had a let the worst mass murdered in US History free for a couple of months after DNA identification! Oh my Lord! Look how exicted you folks get when you find she uses the word executive for resume inflation instead of the more appropriate term manager.


Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 12:55 PM
82. I think what McDonald is saying is that Reichert would make a better King County Executive than representative for the 8th CD.

Posted by: huckleberry on July 8, 2006 01:20 PM
83. Interesting John, that tactic you've used in attempting to focus this on me, rather than on little Darcy's distinct lack of qualifications to hold any national office.

I'm not running for anything John, but I do get a vote... and with the other 3 in my house... that makes 4 definite votes against the cotton candy debutante.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 8, 2006 01:23 PM
84. http://www.abolishdeathpenalty.org/Newsletters/Winter_2004_Newsletter_Final.pdf#search='INTENSIVE%20MANAGEMENT%20UNIT%20Ridgway%20transferred'

Read this and weep if you don't believe that Reichert/Maleng decision to let Ridgway off raised the cost of the death penalty and that their decision is affecting numerous dealth penalty cases across the state and nation in a negative way. I'm sure Republican Cheryl is quite happy about this since she is anti-death penalty (I thought Republicans were pro death penalty) Jeez this is getting confusing.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 01:30 PM
85. Oh Cheryl - by the way Pro-Reichert supporter Gary Ridgway is not going to be in the IMU all his life. One day he will be in the normal prison populaton. He is in the IMU for his own protection for now, because life long criminals have a better sense of justice then the congressman from the 8th district.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 01:41 PM
86. Come on John, we know you're in the "I hate Bush and I'm not Dave" camp of reasons to vote for the cotton candy debutante and that is clearly reason enough for you.

But tell the rest of us John, those of us that expect a bit more from our elected officials than a strong stance on/for hate, tell us what good reason is there to vote for fluff with a womb candidate (ultimate and ideal liberal qualifications) with:
no political experience,
a reputation of manipulating her personal history,
a reputation of manipulating her professional history,
a penchant for selfish motives and actions that harm others and showing a distinct lack of respect for anyone else,
a less than stellar record in the running for 'Mom of the Year',
who spends her time courting NOT the voters in her district, but rather singing to the choir where her "fans" (not that they necessarily are her fans but more likely that she's "not Dave") and their cash can be found,
who speaks not in ideas or plans, but in platitudes and talking points.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 8, 2006 01:50 PM
87. Hi Cheryl,

As far as Darcy is concerned, I think yourself and other posters have done a good job of pointing out some minor inflation in her resume. I'm not sure what you are referring to with respect to the "selfish" comments, I don't know Darcy and have never met her. I've met Dave. I think your "Mom of the Year" is referring to her having a child and working at the same time.

Candidates raise cash where ever they can get it - I don't think raising cash outside of the 8th is a big deal for either Candidate.

Darcy's talking points were orginally straight Democratic Party, she updated them slightly. However, they are boring and designed to divide the public into voting blocks, just as the Republicans do with their talking points.

Darcy has a good Bio being from a military family, National Merit Scholar, put herself through school, and worked successfully in the private sector.

So she is someone of an unknown, she should have some good common sense given her background.

Bottom Line: Known Disaster in a Disaster of a Party since 2004 verses Darcy.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 03:38 PM
88. In fact, Microsoft does have a specific web page listing people they consider to be executives. It is called "Microsoft PressPass - Microsoft Executives and Images" and can be found here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/default.mspx?group=A-D


Nowhere are general managers or project managers listed. So apparently Microsoft DOES make a distinction. Executives are called, surprise, EXECUTIVES, not General Managers, Project Managers, Team Lead or even Head Geek.

Posted by: PBJ on July 8, 2006 04:31 PM
89. What John calls "disaster":

Unemployment, at 4.6 percent, represents a lower rate than the average during the '60s, '70s, '80s and the '90s. Since August 2003, the economy has created more than 5.3 million jobs.

States report record tax receipts. Sixteen states report revenue growth of more than 10 percent, with the strongest -- Georgia -- showing a 20.5 percent increase. Increased tax revenues occur during economic prosperity, with increasing incomes and therefore larger personal and corporate tax payments, as well as increased revenues from sales tax.

50 million people freed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Rape rooms and torture chambers closed. Free elections take place. Democracy established. However, Democrats complain about the fact that muslims dare to base their Democracy on islamic principles, all the while lecturing Americans about the fallacy of having "puppet" regimes.

Libyan nuclear program dismantled without ever having to fire a shot.

Iraqi free elections inspire the Cedar Revolution in Lebanon. For the first time in over 30 years, the Syrian Army is driven out by the people inspired by Democracy in Iraq. No Democrat ever bothered to even care that the Syrian Army had taken over Lebanon.


No attacks on American soil since 9/11. There has never been such a sustained period without terrorist attacks on American soil. Now liberal John will jump in and tick off attacks that occurred elsewhere in hopes of obfuscating the FACT that since 911, there have been no planes smashing into buildings and no attacks on American soil. In fact the tools put in place, such as the Patriot Act have proven enormously successful in stopping attack suc as Iyman Fariss attempt to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge as well as the latest plot to bomb the holland tunnel (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/433227p-364959c.html).

Without such tools as the Patriot Act, these plots could never have been uncovered, despite the protestations of bitter liberals such as John McDonald.


Democrat "successes":

New York Times divulges successful secret government program to track finances of terrorists. An important intelligence weapon is destroyed.

Supreme Court rules that no terrorist should be held at GITMO. Never mind they slice off the head of Americans. Terorrists now can use a Johnny Cochran defense to beat the rap.


New York Times divulges successful secret counterterrorism program to gather intelligence by listening in on calls AQ makes to its US based cells. Intelligence asset is destroyed.


If that is John's definition of a disaster, I will take it any day over a Demcrat "success".


Clearly the Bush/Reichert homeland security policies are working. Given those success contrasted with the fact that Microsoft cannot even lock down its own browser product, whose credentials would you trust when it comes to security? A proven architect of a successful war on terror such as Dave Reichert, or a fluffy prodction line program manager from a company that cannot even lock down its own products enough to keep script kiddies from corrupting them?

Posted by: pbj on July 8, 2006 05:01 PM
90. on the same line as pbj,,,, Ridgeway WAS CONVICTED by a jury of his peers....Don't blame Riechart, why don't you try and change the judicial system John....That would keep you busy for awhile...

BTW Please tell me WHY I SHOULD vote for DARCY....

Here is my resume.... Female, Age 45, married, 2 grown children (who still depend on me, 23 years in private sector,worked my way up to General Manager (past 4 years), Only person I report to is the Owner. Charitable work includes Chairman of School District Levy committee (6 years) which included bond levy too!! Local Walk n Knock, Kiwanis, Food Bank, Fire Dept Auxillary, PTA President, coached County Rec League Softball, Soccer, and Volleyball.....Ohhhh my Father was in the Korean War too !!!!

So What does Ms. Darcy Burner have over me? I don't have a degree from Harvard, but YEARS of practical experience (meaning living experience). I don't work at microsoft, nor do I have small children....But I know by experience how the World Turns.....

Do I want to run for Senate,,,,, Hell No, I have responsibilities here to deal with, and I hope Darcy thinks long and hard before putting her Career (across country) in front of her son.....Life is too damn short to waste it....That view comes from experience...

Posted by: chris n on July 8, 2006 05:05 PM
91. DJ writes:

"To me it is a little surprising that Darcy never mentions that she has been a member of the Civil Air Patrol (a civilian auxillary of the Air Force) for something like 20 years. But, I imagine you wingnuts won't even give her public service credit for that."

Son, I actually served in the military. Civil Air Patrol is definitely not military service. And you make a good case against Ms Burner. We really need a man like Reichert who knows to call the Air Force when air power is needed and not the "Civil Air Patrol".

But hey, Ms Burner certainly has lots of experience with making things insecure. Just look that the level of security found in Microsoft products. Do the voters of the 8th district really want to transfer that disasterous security knowledgebase from Microsoft into American National Security?

Posted by: pbj on July 8, 2006 05:09 PM
92. PBJ....that was a great post, and I hope John and other's like him really READ it.....It proves your point well, and speaks volumes if you truly digest it...

Posted by: Chris N on July 8, 2006 05:17 PM
93. John McDonald posted:

"King County Sheriff Dave Reichert, who was one of the first detectives to be summoned to a Green River crime scene more than 20 years ago, said Maleng made a "bold decision." "

John,

Take a look at the definition of BOLD in the Merriam Webster dictionary.

BOLD b : showing or requiring a fearless daring spirit

It seems to me that Representative Reichert is using the word properly. It was a fearless and daring spirit to plea bargain with Ridgeway, in that by doing so Mr. Maleng put his career at risk, because so many think like you - they want the death penalty.

So, I really don't see Representative Reichert praising Mr. Maleng for his position, merely agreeing that it was a gutsy call - bold, regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

Posted by: Edmonds Dan on July 8, 2006 06:27 PM
94. PBJ,

I wonder how many people you can employ with 1 Trillion dollars in deficit spending. Fully 1/3 of all growth under all of Bush's presidency is direct deficit spending. According to Reichert 1 Billion equals 47,500 jobs ... which is laughable. Apparently the connection between spending like there is no tomorrow and economic growth is lost on liberals like PBJ

50 million freed. Yeah right, if you call living under Sharia law freedom. In fact George Bush has enslaved more people than any other president in history. Never has an American President fought a war only to set up a theocracy that enslaves people. Take 29 million off your track record. Never has an American President set up a government where it is legal to kill Christians. So bozo I hope you read this because freedom to elect mullahs is not freedom.

Libya was a pre-2004 success before GWB turned into a nut job.

The Ceder revolution had ZERO to do with GWB.

The Patriot act is a farce, The Bush Adminstration inflates its success and most of the few successes in the war on terror had nothing to do with the Patriot act. I suppose catching a bunch of mental black guys in florida was a huge coup LOL. If you could actually name some successes your arguements would carry some weight. A government that can't get 20,000 people a drink of water in 4-5 days is not a government that is scary to terrorist.

So PBJ what does your buddy Bush do to the NY Times reporters that you are so incensed about ... oh he invites them to the White House for dinner - yes the exact same reporters. Apparently your commander in chief isn't as worked up about treason as you are. I think liberals would take the war on terror more seriously if the President did.

Many of those Justices who voted in the Supreme Court cases against Gitmo ... were put there by Republican presidents.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 8, 2006 11:26 PM
95. Hi Edmonds Dan,

The following is from the King Country Sheriff Department's press release about the plea bargain with Gary Ridgway.

said Reichert. "I support the prosecutor's courageous decision and am honored to have worked with him to bring this case to conclusion.

Still think that Reichert did not support letting Ridgway, the worst mass murderer in American History, off?

Remember Ridgway was identified independently 7 times and often killed within a week or two of a new indentification by a friend of a victim. A pimp even took his own time an effort to drive through local communities to find Ridgway's truck, which he did and reported Ridgway to the police. This case is one of the most pathetically incompetent police work in the history of this nation ... and the guy leading it is your congressman!

And at the urging of Dave Reichert, Norm Maleng goes for life in prison - directly lying to the public ... unbelievable.

Even then I could have forgotten and moved on, but since becoming congressman Reichert, he brags about spending using socialist logic, votes with the radical liberals on the environment, votes anti-life, ... I can't think of a single conservative thing he has done in the past two years that actually became law. Reichert is not a conservative, he is not a liberal, and he is not a moderate, he is not an independent. I think he is mostly concerned about have a position of importance, feeling powerful, and working his hair. I think he is also a creepy individual, his sex jokes with the biggest mass murderer in US history was sick (which I normally refrain from mentioning because it is so totally insane that most people won't believe it), his shoe thing with Palosi was creepy, why he could not have had his wife take it to the lost and found is beyond me -- I think this guy has serious issues.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 9, 2006 12:04 AM
96. John McDonald: a one man "vote against Dave" campaign... of course that's as opposed to a one man "vote FOR the cotton candy debutante" campaign.

John, you keep proving our arguement for us... you guys have no reason to vote for Darcy except what you don't like about Dave.

Good luck with that.

If I recall correctly, it didn't work too well for Kerry.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 9, 2006 12:38 AM
97. PBJ,
I wonder how many people you can employ with 1 Trillion dollars in deficit spending. Fully 1/3 of all growth under all of Bush's presidency is direct deficit spending. According to Reichert 1 Billion equals 47,500 jobs ... which is laughable. Apparently the connection between spending like there is no tomorrow and economic growth is lost on liberals like PBJ


First of all, left wing nutjob John, there has not been 1 trillion dollars in deficit spending this year. In fact the deficit is a smaller percentage of GDP now than it was during WWII. And for the record, the federal deficit for this year is projected to fall below $300 Billion. Please see "Federal deficit may fall below $300B" (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8INEMIO0.htm?sub=apn_news_down&chan=db).

We are in a war LNJ (Liberal NutJob) John. Not even FDR could do this well during wartime.


50 million freed. Yeah right, if you call living under Sharia law freedom.

hardly Shariah law John. Your sinlge example of a "persecuted " Christian in Afghanistan is moot because he was freed.

And there is hardly Sharia Law in Afghanistan as they allow women to vote. Here is your proof:
"Afghan women make political gain" (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1114/p06s02-wosc.html)


And from http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-afghanwomen1.htm :

" Under the new Afghan law, women are guaranteed one quarter of the 249 national assembly seats. Lina Abirafeh, who works on the United Nations and the Afghan government group organizing Sunday's elections, says women are already playing a more prominent role in public life. "It's important to look at how far Afghanistan has come in such a short time," said Ms. Abirafeh.

"There is a very progressive quota in place and this quota, 25 percent of the seats (in parliament) reserved for women was decided in the Afghan constitution by Afghans themselves. So there is an initiative by Afghans to promote women, to level the playing field. These women understand that they have a right, and a responsibility, to play an active role in political life - and they're doing so."


In fact George Bush has enslaved more people than any other president in history. Never has an American President fought a war only to set up a theocracy that enslaves people. Take 29 million off your track record. Never has an American President set up a government where it is legal to kill Christians. So bozo I hope you read this because freedom to elect mullahs is not freedom.

Same old lie LNJ John, still is a lie after being told the 600th time too. Please tell us where the mass graves and rape rooms of days gone by are now? Women voting and serving in parliament doesn't sound like the Taliban to me. But maybe the drugs you do alter your perception LNJ John


Libya was a pre-2004 success before GWB turned into a nut job.

The fact remains that Libya gave up their nuclear program when they saw what happened in Iraq. No amount of spin will change that John.

The Ceder revolution had ZERO to do with GWB.

BS! It had EVERYTHING to do with GWB. Had he not invaded Iraq and had there not been free elections, there would be no stark example of Democracy from which to inspire the Cedar Revolution! Only a total LNJ would suppose it could have happened without free elections in Iraq.

One only need read the words of Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt:

" Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt remarked to a reporter of the Washington Post, "It's strange for me to say it, but this process of change has started because of the American invasion of Iraq. I was cynical about Iraq. But when I saw the Iraqi people voting three weeks ago, 8 million of them, it was the start of a new Arab world". In this sense, the Cedar Revolution may also prove to be a dividend of the Bush administration's global war on terror. Other"


The Patriot act is a farce, The Bush Adminstration inflates its success and most of the few successes in the war on terror had nothing to do with the Patriot act. I suppose catching a bunch of mental black guys in florida was a huge coup LOL. If you could actually name some successes your arguements would carry some weight. A government that can't get 20,000 people a drink of water in 4-5 days is not a government that is scary to terrorist.

Let me give you a good example. Take the case of Sami Al-Arian. And I hope you won't feel I am being right wing biased if I quote a CNN article:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/19/attacks.professor.ap/index.html

EXCERPT:

"TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- For nearly a decade, the FBI tapped Sami Al-Arian's telephones and faxes, keeping what they learned about the University of South Florida professor a secret -- even from their own colleagues.

The law at the time didn't allow the agents to share what they knew with fellow FBI agents who later began investigating possible criminal charges against Al-Arian, accused of aiding terrorists.

That all changed in the spring of 2002 when the Patriot Act, the law enacted in the weeks following the September 11, 2001, attacks, gave the government greatly expanded surveillance and search powers.

Now, nearly a year after Al-Arian and seven others were named in a 50-count racketeering indictment, the case is shaping up to be a test of the act, which helped rip down the wall between the two investigations.

Former FBI Agent Joe Navarro, who had been assigned to the criminal side of the investigation, recalls the meeting when the scope of the other FBI probe became clear.

"It was 'Holy moley! There's a lot there!"' he said.

"It was just one of those awesome moments when you realize how much there is," Navarro added. "When you realize there is literally a room full -- not a box full or a filing cabinet full -- of evidence. It sort of shocks you."

Al-Arian, Sammeh Hammoudeh, Hatim Naji Fariz and Ghassan Zayed Ballut face trial in 2005 on charges they used an academic think tank, a Muslim school and a charity as a cover for raising money for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is believed to be responsible for the deaths of more than 100 people in attacks in Israel.

Four other men have yet to be arrested.

Attorney General John Ashcroft has cited the Al-Arian case as one of the successes of the Patriot Act as he toured the nation in recent months in defense of the law. "

So that makes at least seven people right off the bat LNJ John. Not to mention the recent plot to blow up the Holland tunnel that was thwarted.


So PBJ what does your buddy Bush do to the NY Times reporters that you are so incensed about ... oh he invites them to the White House for dinner - yes the exact same reporters. Apparently your commander in chief isn't as worked up about treason as you are. I think liberals would take the war on terror more seriously if the President did.

Keep your friend close and your enemies closer. Sounds to me like a wise strategy.

Many of those Justices who voted in the Supreme Court cases against Gitmo ... were put there by Republican presidents.

Yes they were. They turned out to be liberals masquerading as conservatives. Yet more reason to make wise choices for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: pbj on July 9, 2006 01:20 AM
98. PBJ,

You are a liberal masquerading as a Republicans.

Domestic Spending has risen faster than any presidient since LBJ, this discounts all the funding for the war of terror and iraq. You are no conservative if you support this.

My point about the Christian being freed is not moot. This is exactly how Muslims ethincally cleanse areas. How many people will decide to become Christians if they know they are going to be killed or be threatened with death? Note: this man was legally charged. The man was let off by the Karzai government because we still have troops in the country. Without troops there, that guy was a dead man - thanks to GWB and his beautiful "religion of peace" Islamic constitution.

As you state the legal barriers between the CIA and FBI were removed and only institutional attitude barriers remain. The Patriot Act on it's face is not bad. There are a total of 37 people convicted with the Patriot Act (Bush reports ~400) and most should have been convicted without it. I think it's lack of use and lack of going after terrorism is about the incompetence of the Bush Adminstration then about the Patriot Act itself.

Al-Arian had terrorism links prior to 9/11 that were known. The government just decided to do nothing about it. Steve Emerson exposed the S. Flordia, New Jersey terrorists long before 9/11 the government just did not listen - he did not expose the exact plot or characeters - just that Jihadists were at the mosques in these locations.

Groups like the Holy Land Foundation made very little secret of their support for HAMAS. The Muslim Student Associations at many Universities openly supported Jihadist, including those at the University of Washington, Ohio State University, University of Southern Cal. Nothing became of these students to my knowledge and their terrorism support.

Even today CARE has had many connections to terrorism and continues to operate aggressively in the US and invites congressmen to their fundraisers to talk about better relations with the Muslim community. The dollars then flow to the families of terrorist so they don't have to work and use whatever other money they have to fight Israel. Bush does nothing.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 9, 2006 07:55 AM
99. John,

I do support the plea bargain. And look at it from the-Sheriff Reichart's viewpoint. His goal is to solve crimes, find criminals. It is NOT to sentence them.

Ridgeway's plea bargain offered a way to solve a lot more unsolved murders. Without that plea bargain, how many more cases would remain unsolved?

Do you support plea bargaining for Mafia members, to turn on their other mobsters? Do you support any plea bargain in the goal of many more convictions?

And since you seem anti-Reichart, who do you support in the election - Darcy Burner?

Posted by: Edmonds Dan on July 9, 2006 08:22 AM
100. Hi Edmonds,

I oppose the plea bargain deal for the very reasons that Norm Maleng said he would never do it. Norm claims in his press release he changed his mind after talking to Dave Reichert.

The plea bargain deal may have made it easy for Dave Reichert to get on with his life, but it complicated the lives of prosecutors in Washington state and throughout the US who are seeking the death penalty as defense lawyers now ask why the same terms don't apply to their clients who have killed a few people - I have linked the documents in previous posts.

I don't know much about mafia plea bargains so I can't comment. It seems that most plea bargains involve the threat of extreme punishment for an easy conviction and a lighter sentence then what the actual crime would call for.

Yes, I'm more anti-Reichert then pro-Darcy. But in our system there are only two viable choices. If there were another Republican running then I might change my mind especially if they ran on being a fiscal conservative, anti-illegal immigration, pro-life, pro law and order, and a decent person and actually had a bio, track record, etc. to prove it. I'm very very tired of Republicans who talk like conservatives and are more liberal than the nut case Cindy Sheehan - as so many on this board are. However, I'm going to enjoy watching the Republicans go down in flames in the November election ... especially the George Bush wing of the party.

Typical liberal nut cases on this board say: I support Dave because I'm pro-life ... yeah he was one of a few Republicans to end the life of Schavio. But Gary Ridgway gets to live.

Typical liberal nut cases on this board say: the Deficit is only going to be 300 BILLION this year, so I support Dave. Good Grief, I barely can think of an answer to this stupidity. What's a fiscal conservative to do when Republicans think a 300 Billion dollar deficit is no big deal and the value of the dollar has dropped 40%. That's why I relish November 2006 because it is the start of a two step process by which we are going to put some people into office in 2008 that care about being fiscal conservatives.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 9, 2006 10:09 AM
101. Read it and weep John.... and expect more.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 9, 2006 11:06 AM
102. "PBJ,

You are a liberal masquerading as a Republicans.

Domestic Spending has risen faster than any presidient since LBJ, this discounts all the funding for the war of terror and iraq. You are no conservative if you support this.

LNJ John, how stupid do you think people are here? I am a liberal trying to get Republicans elected? ANd you are a "conservative" trying to elect liberal Democrats?????Did you inhale too deep today? Next you will tell us that up is down and down is up. Tell Dwight Pelz that tactic has been tried too and it ain't working mmmmmm kay?

My point about the Christian being freed is not moot. This is exactly how Muslims ethincally cleanse areas. How many people will decide to become Christians if they know they are going to be killed or be threatened with death? Note: this man was legally charged. The man was let off by the Karzai government because we still have troops in the country. Without troops there, that guy was a dead man - thanks to GWB and his beautiful "religion of peace" Islamic constitution.

Sound ot me like you are bigoted against muslims. Typical liberal, a bigot who accuses others. In the same mold as Democrat Robert "KKK" Byrd, the Grand Kleagle. What's your title LNJ JOHN?

As you state the legal barriers between the CIA and FBI were removed and only institutional attitude barriers remain. The Patriot Act on it's face is not bad.

Well just days ago you were telling us all it was useless and ineffective. Yet you cannot cite a single Democrat alternative that has proven nearly as effective.


Al-Arian had terrorism links prior to 9/11 that were known. The government just decided to do nothing about it.

Are you slow LNJ John? That is THE point. THe government could not do anything about it prior to 911 because of the "Gorelick Wall" , so named due to the strenuous policy of CLinton Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorrelick. Her policy was to keep intelligence and law enforcement agencies from sharing information. Had you read the article I posted before, you would have realized this. Even CNN admits this LNJ John, so for you do try to deny it now contradicts even your own propaganda outlets LNJ JOHN.

Groups like the Holy Land Foundation made very little secret of their support for HAMAS. The Muslim Student Associations at many Universities openly supported Jihadist, including those at the University of Washington, Ohio State University, University of Southern Cal. Nothing became of these students to my knowledge and their terrorism support.

Even today CARE has had many connections to terrorism and continues to operate aggressively in the US and invites congressmen to their fundraisers to talk about better relations with the Muslim community. The dollars then flow to the families of terrorist so they don't have to work and use whatever other money they have to fight Israel. Bush does nothing.

How do you know the government isn't listening in on them? Oh that is right, the Democrats, the ones YOU want elect have been revealing all out methods of watching them. The wire tapping, the financial records, all of it exposed by the very Democrats you want to elect. So how long have you been in supoort of crippling our ability to gather intelligence on these people LNJ JOHN?

You see LNJ JOHN, if you actuall want to get the head of a crime ring, you don't grab the foot soldiers. YOu watch them and see who they report to. Then you watch them and see to whom they report and so on. ANd given the fact that Democrat s are insisting that we now try terrorists in a civilian court, it becomes even more important to have a rock solid chaing of evidence that even Johnny Cochran cannot challenge. Since you are advocating elcting even more of those liberal Democrats that have been so successful at ensuring terorrists can evade our phone and financial surveilance LNJ JOHN, you will bear responsibility if there is another 911 that perhaps could have been prevented, had terorrists not been told, by the VERY people you want elected, about our intelligence programs.

Posted by: pbj on July 9, 2006 12:21 PM
103. Leave it to Liberal~John to take the obviously conservative POV of someone like PBJ and then partake of Liberal Projection (tm) by attempting to paint him as "liberal"!

Liberal~John you take the cake!

We were making fun of dj AKA goldy AKA golden showers the other day for its lame attempts at skewing the truth, but it doesn't hold a candle to you! Apparently your efforts at inhaling car exhaust is only frying what's left of your brain. You can't even off yourself with dignity!

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 9, 2006 01:58 PM
104. Note how an extra $100 to $125 billion tax dollars flowed into the treasury. How come the deficit is only supposed to drop $18 billion?

Answer because the liberal spend-o-holics spent nearly all the increase in revenue already. So in the good times the gov is running a $300B+ deficit, I wonder what the next recession will look like?

Just a historical note for young readers. The Republican used to be the party of smaller government and balanced budgets. I know that is laughable now, but sometimes it takes older people like me a bit of time to realize that Democrats are the party of smaller government and balanced budgets.

It is also funny how the spend-o-holics like to brag that cutting taxes increases tax revenue. Of course it does, $1 trillion in extra spending or tax cuts will generate about $250 billion in extra taxes as that is the tax rate on a trillion dollars.

The key to a good economy is controlling spending as this drive everything in a positive manner including interest rates, the value of the dollar, and will result in lower tax rates. Spending like there is no tomorrow in time will raise taxes, interst rates, or reduce the value of the dollar thus increasing prices or likely all three scenarios.


Posted by: John McDonald on July 9, 2006 02:35 PM
105. So John, you keep changing the subject and never bother to answer WHY ANYONE IN THE 8TH SHOULD VOTE FOR DARCY, THE COTTON CANDY DEBUTANTE.

We're all waiting for you. John.

Please, try to be succinct ant attempt not ti veer off into the nether-world of meaningless drivel.

I'm a voter in the 8th. There are 4 votes up for grabs in this household... why should any of us vote for D,CCD?

Posted by: Cheryl on July 9, 2006 03:03 PM
106. I'm not waiting for Liberal~John - he's already showed his true (liberal) colors. He isn't even a good (or at least convincing) liar ;'}

Veering off into alternate realities is all that Liberal~John has...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 9, 2006 05:19 PM
107. Hi Cheryl,

Darcy has a nice background, appears to have a nice family. Frankly, I don't know what she will do. Republicans promise all kinds of things and talk conservative but just spend money, disrespect our troops, and are basically incompetent. Maybe Darcy will be a pleasant surprise as it can't get worse. How much more are the Democrats going to spend, I think they would have trouble matching the Republicans. A divided government would be great as we need to stop Bush from Bankrupting the country.

I've been very clear that my issue is with Dave Reichert and Republicans. It seems to me that the Republicans are into power and that core values really don't mean to them anymore. I think its time to remind my party where real power comes from.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 9, 2006 06:00 PM
108. Darcy has a nice background, appears to have a nice family. Frankly, I don't know what she will do. Republicans promise all kinds of things and talk conservative but just spend money, disrespect our troops, and are basically incompetent.

Darcy Burner sure has a nice background. Want insecurity? Well Darcy of the person for you. Just look at all the holes in Microsoft Products. She claims she was an "executive" so I guess that means she is even more responsible for that mess.

Do we really want someone whose only security experience is in making the abysmally insecure Microsoft products to transfer that knowledgebase into our National Security?

Sure she can call out the Civil Air Patrol. *HINT for LIBERALS: Civil Air Patrol is NOT a branch of the military.


Real Republicans prefer a strong economy with 4.6% unemployment, better than the average of the past 40 years, to the tax and spend policies of the liberals.

LNJ John keeps harping about the deficit. But what he won;t tell you is that the deficit, as a percentage of GDP was much greater under FDR in WWII than it is now. And remember folks, we are at war. We did not go looking for a fight. A fight was brought to our shores on Sept. 11,2001. If you wish to invite more attacks, and cede our sovereignty, then by all means vote for Democrats.

However, if you enjoy prosperity, liberty and the American way, vote Dave Reichert.

Posted by: pbj on July 9, 2006 07:40 PM
109. Quack quack Liberal~John......

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 9, 2006 09:26 PM
110. Darcy has a nice background, appears to have a nice family. -Posted by John McDonald at July 9, 2006 06:00 PM

So do I.

Do I have your vote?

So does Stefan.

Does Stefan have your vote?

So does Dino.

Does Dino have your vote?

So does Karl Rove, Tom Delay and Newt Gingrich.

Do they have your vote?

One more time the "vote for me, I'm not Dave" campaign will NOT convince possibly marginalGOP curmudgeons to suddenly pledge allegiance to a liberal....

My wet dog smells bad right now so I'm going to get a skunk instead

Nope, I don't think so.

Posted by: Cheryl on July 9, 2006 10:02 PM
111. Hi Cheryl,

I voted for Dino and my extended family sent him money. I'd vote for Dino again as well. I'd probably vote for you too as you appear a sincere conservative - albeit too supportive of those that are not. In politics experience and the ability to articulate your values matter - which is why Patty Murry and Maria Cantwell are not going very far even in their own party, (they are no Jackson Magnuson Team). If Darcy is as inexperienced as you say, then this is a good thing as the collateral damage of taking out big spending Reichert will be less.

I think most moderate Republicans are fiscally conservative ... which Dave is not. I can't really figure out what Dave is from a political standpoint because he is not a moderate, not a conservative, not a liberal, not libertarian ... he just seems to be into spending, position, and expensive looking hair.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 10, 2006 09:08 AM
112. Totally off topic sorry ... but I've been tracking the number of named weather systems in the atlantic 2005 vs. 2006 ratio is now 4:1 - Algore can't be too happy about this.

Posted by: John McDonald on July 10, 2006 09:12 AM
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