October 11, 2006
"Maria Cantwell And Ron Dotzauer: Making Music Since 1983"

The NRSC created this video about Senator Maria Cantwell and lobbyist Ron Dotzauer.
From the press release:

"Maria Cantwell can avoid reporters and refuse to debate all she wants, but that won't provide answers to numerous questions out there about her quid pro quo relationship with Ron Dotzauer," said Brian Walton, NRSC Spokesman. "The public deserves to know that Cantwell has bent over backwards for Dotzauer, benefiting him to the tune of $1.5 million."
Bent over forwards too, apparently.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 11, 2006 03:54 PM | Email This
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1. The lack of coverage by the media on this smelly loan prompted me to cancel the Seattle Times today, again...

I did it before, back in '94 when Sims was running against Gorton, and the Slimes was their campaign cheerleader.

It's happening again, with powderpuff stories like this.


Click below to see if a Slimes story even MENTIONS Dotzauer since Sept. 9th.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen on October 11, 2006 04:03 PM
2. Stephan, you do great work. but trite, catty statements such as the closing remark in this post detract from your work.

Posted by: Morisseau on October 11, 2006 04:27 PM
3. The text you chose to bold, and your easy snipe at the end is beneath you and most of the writers/readers of this site. It may be commonplace at other sites but it only serves to weaken your point.

Posted by: Above the Fray on October 11, 2006 04:31 PM
4. I disagree. While it's not exactly the kind of thing a mainstream media journalist could say, it's true that Cantwell and Dotzauer had a sexual relationship and the place of blogs is to say what other media sources can't or won't say. Stefan might have worded it differently for less provocation, but it's pretty clear from the reaction that he's right on the mark.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 11, 2006 04:37 PM
5. JeffB writes: the place of blogs is to say what other media sources can't or won't say

Anything that they won't say? Even because, say, it's irrelevant, immoral, or just plain dumb? That explains a lot.

Posted by: Bruce on October 11, 2006 04:41 PM
6. 9 times out of 10 when someone posts a comment along the lines of "you do great work, but this comment weakens your credibility..." it's from someone who is a habitual critic (not always, but nearly always). "Above the Fray" is posting from the same IP address which posted as Fred #11 here (#11) and here (#4)

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on October 11, 2006 04:44 PM
7. I love it, when does it air on TV?

Posted by: sgmmac on October 11, 2006 04:45 PM
8. The text you chose to bold, and your easy snipe at the end is beneath you and most of the writers/readers of this site. It may be commonplace at other sites but it only serves to weaken your point.

Posted by: Above the Fray on October 11, 2006 04:50 PM
9. You Betcha!
Quid Pro Quo AND.............
TAX SCAM!!
I'm going to keep beating that drum because in all likelihood that's what it was.
DotzauerGate is a TAX SHAM! The proper agency to involve is the IRS!! Forget the smutty divorce or some sort of pay-off stuff unless you have clear evidence.
From everything reported and documents released, the IRS Tax Sham is a NO-BRAINER & goes like this:
1) Political contributions are not deductible.
2) However, big money Lefty's pay so-called "consulting fees" to Dotzauer. The big money LEFTY's DEDUCT those consulting fees.
3) Dotzauer reports them as INCOME....however then deducts the contributions as ORDINARY EXPENSES as a Lobbyist.
NET Result===Political Contributions are deducted....No net income to Dotzauer.

Many problems with this sham. Likely the IRS will be able to go back beyond the Statute of Limitiations.

How this impacts Cantwell??? Remains to be seen. Depends upon who gave these "consulting fees" to Ron and who Ron "laundered them too.

One other HUGE PROBLEM for Ron.
Political Contributions are NOT DEDUCTIBLE...even for Lobbyists. It's pure BULLSH*T folks.
Ron's bigger problem?
He likely under-reported income for Child Support purposes. FRAUD! Child support would require including the income "consulting fees"...but would not allow him credit for purposes of calculating child support.

Once this all comes into the light....it's likely that Ronnie will have BOTH the IRS and a really P*ssed Off ex-wife on his A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will anybody be sharing this theory with the IRS and his ex-wife??? Undoubtedly!!! Remember...10% SNITCH FEE from IRS>
Stake your claim today...

Posted by: dude on October 11, 2006 04:57 PM
10. I must be the 1 out 10 then because my name isn't Fred and I enjoy this site a great deal. Which part of the constructive criticism do you take issue with? Is your argument about the validity of their relationship somehow bolstered by the locker room talk?

Posted by: Above the Fray on October 11, 2006 05:05 PM
11. Well, OK then Above the Fred. Although you have exactly the same writing (lack of) style, and you've never said anything positive about anything you can understand why some might draw that as an obvious conclusion.

Carry on (and watch that locker room talk!)

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 05:27 PM
12. I think the new ads run by McGavick do a far better job of making him look like a viable candidate than the piece of trash "hit" video.

Posted by: deadwood on October 11, 2006 05:47 PM
13. The feigned indignation at Stefan's comment is priceless since it comes from very people who have swept our culture into the gutter over the last 40 years.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on October 11, 2006 05:55 PM
14. Will there be a blue dress and cigars in this scandal too?

Posted by: Andy on October 11, 2006 05:55 PM
15. For loving this blog, Above The Fray has not posted very often as "Above The Fray." Why hiding behind an anonymous handle? Frequent commenters are not afraid to give criticism as themselves, but trolls usually are.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 11, 2006 06:05 PM
16. it's not an issue of stefan pulling a quote out of context- have a look at the wording of this nrsc press release, and tell me that it's not riddled with sexual innuendo. that's the whole point of this pr gimmick.

http://www.gopsenators.com/newsdesk/document.aspx?ID=3305

"...the financial back and forth between the two..."
"...Cantwell has risen politically with Dotzauer's help."
"Dotzauer profits directly from Cantwell's service..."
"Cantwell has bent over backwards for Dotzauer..."

and the title of the video?

"Maria Cantwell And Ron Dotzauer: Making Music Since 1983"

for all the moral values types out there- do you disagree with my characterization of this press release, or do you find this sort of sexual innuendo acceptable in your official party communications?

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 06:27 PM
17. You just have a dirty mind...

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 06:53 PM
18. Geez-Louise, guest--"bent over forwards" is about as benign of a sexual innuendo as they come. Oops, I mean, "as there is." Relax already, and take a nice hot bath with a romance novel. Heaven knows Cantwell could use a little sex scandal to melt the ice that she appears to be encased in.

Posted by: Organization Man on October 11, 2006 07:02 PM
19. all i'm looking for is a little intellectual honesty here. the last two posts (#17, #18) are mutually exclusive. if 17 is right, then i'm making up the innuendo. if 18 is right, then it's there, but that i shouldn't make a big deal out of it.

if you want to support this statement from the nrsc, no problem. i just want you to be clear about why you do so.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 07:08 PM
20. an email address of x@x? now that's sexual innuendo...

Posted by: Organization Man on October 11, 2006 07:25 PM
21. No mr. X at X dot com, they aren't "mutually exclusive" at all. We're both saying that you're straining at gnats in an effort to make too much of nothing (OM just added the relax part. Me I could GAS whether you relax or not ;'}

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 07:26 PM
22. Dang! you beat me to the punch!

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 07:28 PM
23. so which one is it, alphabet soup? am i making up the innuendo (it would be pretty tough to make that argument after reading stefan's original post), or is making crude jokes about a female senator bending over backwards an acceptable part of the official discourse of the republican party? just take a stand, and defend what you believe in.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 07:35 PM
24. Actually, I was going to use the "Mountains out of a Molehill" metaphor, but since you're being so anal about this (Oh man, we're really in for it now!

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 07:58 PM
25. Guesty

Get outta here, if you can't post ON TOPIC. Better yet go over to the Horses Patuty and get a real education at Blogging.

We don't post here to Please YOU.

Now Scoot!! Shoo!!!

Posted by: chris on October 11, 2006 08:15 PM
26. guest @ 19 -

The Cantwell-Dotzauer relationship can be examined from (at least) two perspectives. One of them is the mechanics of the relationship: who did what, to whom, and when.

The other perspective is what the relationship reveals about the character of the participants. Example: Cantwell having sex with Dotzauer a week before his marriage to another woman. Example: Cantwell allowing the relationship (and entanglements like the loan to Dotzauer) to continue after she became a sitting US senator and he a lobbyist.

These circumstances raise serious questions about Cantwell's judgment (i.e., lack thereof), and the MSM had, and has, a responsibility to report on this issue, in order to inform the voters.

Given the refusal of the MSM to fulfill that responsibility, I welcome the efforts made by other entities, such as SP, or the NRSC, to put the issue before the electorate.

Posted by: ewaggin on October 11, 2006 08:23 PM
27. ewaggin, thank you for that thoughtful response. if you're interested, i'll try to answer you in a minute. in the meantime, i had already written a long-winded post in response to earlier comments. here it is.
--

alphabet soup, i understand that this series of comments comes off as shrill. with each passing comment, i get increasingly frustrated with your intellectual dishonesty. and of course this is not unrelated to my judgment about the overall discourse of this website.

stefan, matt, and eric consistently employ techniques of rhetorical manipulation in order to misrepresent facts and shape public opinion. it is rare for them to technically lie, but rather their writing style is ornately crafted in order to obfuscate the truth.

you- the sycophantic followers of this site- enable them. you buy it. you take their talking points and run with them. for some of you, it's simply an exercise in partisanship- you're doing what you can to help your side win. for others, it's a result of blind obedience to dogma.

maybe i shouldn't care. i can certainly understand that my critical perspective is not welcome on a partisan political site. the reason that i take this time to express my views is that i believe in the quaint, old fashioned notion of civic dialogue.

i believe there has been an unhealthy obedience in republican voters in the last ten years that is the cause of the party's ideological drift. i believe barry goldwater would be rolling over in his grave.

for a long time now, various instutional and strategic advantages (as well as incompetence on the part of the democrats) has allowed this situation to remain unchecked, and the longer it continues, the more disastrous are the results. i don't know what will happen in the election next month. but sooner or later, if the republican voters do not hold their leaders accountable, and do not bring their party back to some sort of rational policymaking basis, there will be a reckoning. when that happens, the party will be damaged for many years to come. unfortunately, this correction has taken too long, and the negative consequences for our nation and the world, are severe.

so, yes... i sound shrill. i understand that. i think you guys have really messed things up. that bothers me.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 08:33 PM
28. Puh-lease! Get your minds out the gutter. I'm sure what Stefan was refering to with his "Bent over forwards too, apparently.", is that sometimes one of them was the payer and other times the payee. They each seem willing to change roles as needed. See? Who is bent over and which way is hardly important. They both are coming out on top.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 08:41 PM
29. X at X: Horse-Hocky!

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 08:47 PM
30. elaine, i think you're being sarcastic, right? sometimes it can be tough to tell online. i think it's pretty clear what stefan and the nrsc meant.

alphabet soup, you are a coward. your refusal to engage in serious dialogue is a transparent coverup for not having a reasonable response. your participation in this thread results in no discernible benefit to society, and the time you have wasted here will never be recovered.

ewaggin,
i agree with you that the dotzauer/cantwell relationship is indicative of poor judgment, and a conflict of interest on maria's part. it's reasonable that that would inform your vote, and i don't intend to defend the relationship. my specific criticism in this matter is that the nrsc is playing sleazy politics in using sexual innuendo in order to discredit a sitting senator. this directly contradicts mike mcgavick's purported civility campaign. furthermore, it seems hypocritical for a party that claims the mantle of family values to use this type of sexually suggestive language.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 09:04 PM
31. Guest: Perhaps you don't recognize true, messy democracy.
I find it inconsistent that you would say in one paragraph, "i believe there has been an unhealthy obedience in republican voters in the last ten years that is the cause of the party's ideological drift."
And then in the next paragraph lament, " i don't know what will happen in the election next month. but sooner or later, if the republican voters do not hold their leaders accountable, and do not bring their party back to some sort of rational policymaking basis, there will be a reckoning."

So which one is it? Are we lock step followers or are we able to lead the party? And if some of us disagree with one another and are messy, should we write off our party and our free speech? Is evolution never possible? I have a very hard time with anyone who assumes that I am responsible for everyone who may identify themselves as a Republican.

My guess is that you are a lazy thinker and would like to lump all Republicans together so that you don't have to think too much.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 09:06 PM
32. And now it's my turn. X, I will admit that I was flip with you. You act as though your collar button is too tight. And in turn, you presuppose my irreverence for intellectual dishonesty.
Screw you.

I have yet to hear a single positive or useful thing come out of your mouth. So which one of us is guilty of "intellectual dishonesty"? Me for having fun at your expense, or you for acting all pious and petty whilst picking nits at SP's expense?

I don't agree with everything I read here at SP, but it is categorically the most "intellectually honest" political blog in this region. The viewpoints are rich and varied. For you to ascribe a "dogmatic obedience" suggests either you are a liar or an imbecile. Don't bother revealing which - I believe I figured it out already.

So it looks as though you aren't inclined to take OM's advice to chill out, or Chris's advice to shoo...How about FO?

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 09:08 PM
33. Guest, I was sort of being sarcastic. Stefans comments could be taken either way and it would still make sense. It was a clever double entendre.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 09:11 PM
34. elaine@31- i don't think it's the republican base that will hold the party responsible- like i said, i think there's a great deal of followers who take their talking points from people like stefan, and never question them. the people, for example, who still think the republican party is fiscally conservative. i think it will be independents, progressives, and the disillusionment of principled conservatives that will make the difference.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 09:28 PM
35. Hey! No fair using double entendres. It makes the lefties heads hurt. Let's be nice and keep it real simple for them. From now on, all sarcastic remarks must be in all caps.

Posted by: Moondoggie on October 11, 2006 09:30 PM
36. "I think it will be independents, progressives, and the disillusionment of principled conservatives that will make the difference."

What, are you retarded?!

These people will "hold the party responsible"?

independents: codespeak for the indifferent, the morbidly undecided, and addle-brained.

progressives: codespeak for liberals who are ashamed to be identified as a liberal so they hide behind a euphemism.

principled conservatives: Every time I see someone use this phrase it turns out to be from someone who secretly regards it as an oxymoron. Are you trying to be oxymoronic (or just indulging in the moron part?)

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 09:40 PM
37. Guest, Sorry but if you think conservatives and progressives will EVER come together to form a party, you are sadly mistaken. That example would lead to an unholy alliance and to be successful would require people to sacrifice their ideals for the party's good. You may as well try to form a political party among communists and capitalists. Ain't gonna work without a sell out from one side or the other.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 09:46 PM
38. alphabet soup @32, i'm glad that you have finally responded in a marginally constructive manner. i will try to respond in kind, but my time is limited as project runway begins shortly, and i've spent the last 2 1/2 hours on this blog. i also understand that your flip responses earlier do not represent the sum total of your character, but i do maintain that they reflect your support of partisanship above honest reflection.

i don't think what i'm doing here tonight is petty. pious? i probably can't argue that. if i could express these thoughts in a more conversational manner, i would. over a beer, it would probably happen. but i'm simply trying to express myself clearly, and that probably comes off sounding pious. it's not intentional.

i have serious disagreements with our current government, and i believe that a great deal of the responsibility for it lays in the hands of uncritical followers. that upsets me, and i feel it's my obligation as a citizen to express my views- being a citizen is not just about voting, right?

i should follow this up with a reasonable appraisal of your belief that sound politics is an intellectually honest blog, composed of a rich and varied mix of perspectives. this is a fundamental disagreement we have. but only 12 min until project runway, and i don't imagine i'll have enough time. i'll try- but how about i'll only do it if you're interested in hearing it. i'll buzz off if you really don't want to hear what i have to say. it's your call, alphabet soup.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 09:48 PM
39. see, this is the problem i have. in the span of time it took me to formulate a rational response to your sort of rational comment, you had to flip out and start spouting nonsense. it's like trying to put out a fire with a squirt gun.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 09:52 PM
40. anyways, while i go watch heidi, you can decide if you want me to come back or not. my feelings won't be hurt if you don't, but i'll be incrementally more disillusioned with the world we live in.

Posted by: guest on October 11, 2006 09:58 PM
41. What's nonsensical in it X?

Should I be sorry that you're not up to the debate?

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 10:01 PM
42. Guest: The solution to your response time is for you to make shorter posts or realize you have the power of WINDOWS! If time is an issue, open two windows and refresh with one window, post with the other. Or just live with your posts and think on your feet. Time stamps come with each post and most people pay attention to the thread timing. Ahhhh, thinking independently will lead to many changes in your life.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 10:04 PM
43. Of course I do understand the irresistible lure of the tube as a furtherance of "intellectually honesty"...

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 10:09 PM
44. Guest: If you need permission to return, then no, you shouldn't post here. If you are stout of heart and can take critisism, especially when you are wrong, then yes. But that you needed to ask, I would answer no.
Sheesh, here I am, bending over backwards and forwards. It's an ironic end.

Posted by: Elaine on October 11, 2006 10:24 PM
45. Notice how I abstained from using "boob tube" out of deference to Mr. X (I just thought it too obvious ;'}

See, I can be marginally constructive!

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 10:37 PM
46. (guest 34:) "i think there's a great deal of followers who take their talking points from people like stefan, and never question them."

does that apply to all parties and stripes of people? how about other political or agenda blogs? does the above statement confirm a mastery of the obvious?

"...class?...any hands?...anyone...?" (bell---rrring!) "never mind--class dismissed..."

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on October 12, 2006 10:55 AM
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