October 11, 2006
Reichert/Burner Debate at first glance

Congressman Dave Reichert debated his Democratic challenger Darcy Burner last night at Meydenbauer Center in Bellevue. The forum was hosted by the Seattle Times.
Since I was not on the pad last night I did not get exact quotes. TVW will broadcast the debate tonight at 7 p.m. and streaming video should be available online afterwards and I intend to write more later on.

(Below are some rough notes I took of the evening and my thoughts and things you should look for on the broadcast.)

About 450 people jammed the auditorium. Many more showed up and were turned away at the door. The crowd was heavily in favor of Burner by almost 2 to 1 but many of those were party activists who had ridden the bus across the lake to watch.

Ultimately the debate did not change anyone's minds. At least not the people who were able to get a seat. Of the people in attendance not a single one appeared to be an undecided voter and everyone either had a Burner button or Reichert lapel sticker. The atmosphere of the room had the feel of a high school football crowd almost with individuals showing up to root for Team Elephant or Team Donkey. The analogy is apt since Team Donkey's fans traveled from Seattle, Portland and beyond to watch this road game.

During an off-year election the key to winning is to be able to turn out your party's base. Both candidates performed better than I had anticipated. Democrats and Republicans I spoke to afterwards appeared happy about how their candidate performed.

Reichert worked at showing himself as a centrist who is not only a member of the GOP majority in Congress but who represents a moderate district and who can work with Democrats on the other side of the aisle.

Burner spoke directly to her base throwing out the raw meat phrases that were meant to sate their appetites. She accused Reichert of being a "Rubberstamp" and tried to tie him to Bush. She also dredged up a scandal involving a Florida congressman 3,000 miles away. There was no effort to attract undecided Republicans to her camp.

The key moment in the debate came when nearly half of Darcy supporters heckled, jeered and laughed at Reichert when he brought up the Green River Killer and his efforts leading the task force which apprehended Gary Ridgeway. This was a mistake. Reichert countered by saying "It's not comic to the victims and their families" and he stared down the hecklers causing them wilt and shift uncomfortably in their chairs.

(One of the most bizarre aspects of this campaign has been the attempt to trash Dave on the Green River issue. "It took him 19 years just to catch a serial killer". From what I can tell this strategy began on the blogosphere but the story has been picked up by the Seattle Post Intelligencer which has credulously reported on it. I'll write on this more, hopefully, later but what these progressives who have moved to Seattle from California and New York don't realize is that Gary Ridgeway was not "just some serial killer" and is, unfortunately, almost a social phenomenon that is difficult to explain to anyone not living in this region before the 1990s.)

Burner noticeably brought up her family's history. When you watch the debate you'll see that she speaks more about the public service of her brothers, husband, father and sister. One wonders why the Democrats aren't running one of Darcy's family members instead of her. She did speak briefly about coaching a sports team and alluded to her service on the Ames Lake Community Club.

Conversely Reichert brought the topic back to his public service record over and over again. More than three decades of law enforcement, King County Sheriff, Medal of Valor winner, swat team commander, led the task force which caught the Green River Killer. As kind of a backhand blow against Burner's "military record" Reichert pointed out that of the two, he was the only Air Force veteran on the stage having served in the reserves for six years. Curiously, he did not speak about his record coaching little league sports teams...

Reichert's enemies have resorted to using the same strategy they employed unsuccessfully against President Bush accusing the congressman of being "dumb". The Sheriff outsmarted Burner a number of times with a rhetorical flourish, one-liner and a good piece of verbal jujitsu during the segment where candidates were allowed to question one another.

His best line was "At some point, Ms. Burner you are going to have to come out from behind the bushes and recognize I'm your opponent."

Reichert had meatier talking points bringing up actual votes he took and raw numbers about Social Security, education and veteran's benefits. Burner resorted to calling the incumbent a liar and accusing him of being an unthinking vote for Bush. For the most part she did not give exact examples to backup her spray and pray accusations which left her open to a number of counter attacks.

Reichert began the first 15 minutes of the debate a bit off balance. The initial hostile attitude of the crowd appeared to have the congressman out of his comfort zone. An initial question about the War in Iraq, WMDs and flawed intelligence had him on the defensive. Reichert's campaign staff will have to come up with a strategy that won't leave his supporters scratching their heads.

(Reichert has spoken with veterans and active duty soldiers who have served in Iraq. The U.S. military has succeeded in interdicting supplies and foreign fighters streaming in from Syria. The infrastructure of terrorist cells present in Iraq is being decapitated including the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Pressure needs to be placed on Iran to prevent it from destabilizing the region. Above all, the U.S. military needs to be allowed to do its job so our soldiers can come home.)

Burner's presentation would have worked well if this were only a half hour debate. But with 90 minutes of point, counterpoint the overall shallowness of her presentation showed. After initial lodgment she did not have enough rhetorical momentum to break through. Particularly lacking was any discussion of plans she wanted to accomplish for the district and the rural, suburban and urban voters living here. When you cut out barbs against President Bush, what her siblings have accomplished and conversations with "real" veterans (as opposed to fake ones?) there didn't appear to be a lot Burner brought to the table.

On a couple of occasions she did not appear to understand the questions asked of her. Debate moderator James Vesely called her on this regarding a question about tax breaks to Microsoft for research and development.

For Burner to succeed in November she will have to distance herself from the liberal establishment in Seattle and also the core of Netroots Progressive bloggers who make up her chief constituencies. She not only failed to do this on Tuesday night but she paid homage to the same bloggers, repeated their talking points and singled out the creator of the Northwest Progressive Institute for particular praise.

Something else you'll find is that Darcy supporters need to shut up and let her do the talking. This was evident throughout the debate where they kept interrupting the proceedings, much to Burner's annoyance. There's nothing that scares off moderates and conservative Democrats and energizes Republicans in the 8th C.D. more than crazy 206ers spouting off.

Odd moments of the night:

Burner has a concealed pistol license. She rather eagerly told the audience that she owned a firearm and knows how to use it. After delivering the line she admitted herself that sounded just a bit weird.

A questioner from the audience queried whether either candidate supports abolishing the Washington D.C. Page Program and the Electoral College. It was one of two issues that both candidates agreed on. The other is Net Neutrality which is the forefront issue of every voter from Redmond to Ashford.

The giant, animatronic statue of a gargoyle outside of the Meydenbauer's entrance was not put there by either party. It represents Nosferatu, the true corporeal form of a vampire. It was there to advertise the International Ballet Theatre's production of Dracula being Oct. 27-31.

The humorous:

Seattle Times associate editor Ryan Blethen asked the most articulate, nuanced and relevant questions which were burning in the minds of every Eighth Congressional District voter that evening.

Seattle PI reporter Chris McGann appeared particularly anxious to interview an audience member who actually lived in the district and who wasn't a political staffer.

"Are you a Reichert supporter? I really need to get some quotes for my story! Can I talk to you now? After the debate can you find me so I can get some quotes?"

Janet Grimley must have the cat o' nine tails waiting for any P.I. reporter who turns in their story late and without quotes.

You can't have a political event in this state without attracting Lynden LaRouche faithful. In a sighting much more rare than Sasquatch I can report that I personally witnessed a female LaRouchey who was actually attractive and good looking and didn't smell like old cabbage. I don't have photographic evidence but I've got eye witnesses.

Posted by DonWard at October 11, 2006 06:55 PM | Email This
Comments
1. You mean Blethen's witty questions on Net Neutrality, FCC regs on media ownership, and tax policy for high tech companies? Interesting policy questions for some staffer on the Commerce Committee, but not that for even a serious political junkie, let alone the average voter. What an embarrassment.

Posted by: Eric Earling on October 11, 2006 07:22 PM
2. Here's some things you should look for from the super classy group of Darcy supporters. I was there last night. Again, such a classy group of folks...public discourse, the old-angry, incoherent way -

1) As Dave comes to the stage there's grown women hissing at him like they're some sort of reptiles and he's a rodent or something.

2) Dave being called a "miserable sheriff" a "dumbass" , etc. (to name a few) all while he's answering a question from the panel.

3) Jeers and laughter right after he notes his 33 years of public service and 19 years spent on the Ridgway case ("what took so long you dummy, etc.) - Apparently serial killers are funny. Dave noted the victim's and families probably wouldn't think it was so "comical." But maybe I'm the only one that doesn't have a sense of humor when it comes to premeditated murder.

4) The moderator having to give Dave extra time to answer a question because of the yelling and other incoherent chants after Darcy answers a question. And her supporters being pissed because he was allotted extra time. I'm not joking...

5) The moderator giving Dave an opportunity to repond after being called a liar by Darcy (lying either to some republicans at a previous event or his constituency, i guess she couldn't decide who he was lying too). A sort of play on the "Bush lied, people died" logic..."Reichert lied, so i don't need a reason for my conclusory statement." Maybe she caught the idea on her way up from the parking garage...see 7).

6) Something you probably won't see...the "non-partisan" group that was passing out "Save our Planet from Global Warming" t-shirts (...the "non-partisan" group who oddly enough, had Darcy pins right above the "Save our Planet" part).

7) Oh, something else you won't see on the televised debate, insightful bumperstickers stuck on cars in the parking garage of the Meydenbauer like, "republicans give alcoholics a bad name." Catchy, original, and thought provoking.

8) Dave breaking it down in response when Darcy spouts off the ever so original "Reichert is a Bush republican because he votes with Bush 90% of the time." In response, Dave notes the presence in the house of the [gasp!] "Bush Democrats," who swallow up 45% of that 90% slogan.

9) Darcy herself having to tell her civil followers to calm down and try to act like (at least pretend for an hour or so) they're over 11 years old.

Posted by: James on October 11, 2006 08:43 PM
3. I watched the debate.

What a drama queen! Good God, the woman was born 80 years too late! ... she would have been a *STAR* of radio theatre! ... The shadow knows!

darcy the drama queen gave great little theatrical vignettes... it's just a shame she never quite managed to answer any question that was posed.

I found myself screaming at her when she was asked questions about immigrants and tribunals... she conveniently altered her answers to confuse the line between LEGAL citizens and illegal immmigrants and LEGAL citizens and enemy combatants.

When she answered she did not believe in eliminating subsidies for established companies Dave missed a huge opportunity to turn the tables on her by mentioning the liberal-hated pharmaceutical companies.

The way it was framed leads me to believe the pharmacist question had to be a ringer... they asked about BIRTH CONTROL, when the debate is about abortifactants.

She made me want to gag with her family, her brother the soldier, her daddy the soldier teacher, her LPN sister and her beer peddling brother... and she flat out lied about her community "service" in regards to Ames Lake. Also she was a bit confused in her math... darcy, when you worked for Microsoft from 2000 to 2004, that's NOT 6 years, dear.

She gave a good performance. However, I personally don't want a drama queen in Congress... I want a representative I can trust.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 11, 2006 08:59 PM
4. Not at all surprised. A classic Dem trick. They bussed over moonbats from Seattle to cheer Darcy and jeer Reichert.

No doubt the talking points memo told the moonbats that "This is an important race that we must win to rid the US of the Bush Plague. Arrive early so we can pack the auditorium and make sure that there are no tough questions for Darcy."

The left is afraid, because they know they are not going to win in November. It's time for Lie, Cheat and Steal mode.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 11, 2006 09:05 PM
5. One more thing... The panel kept going to the drama queen first (oh gee, there's a surprise) instead of the alternating as provided in the rules ... Dave lost a lot of time and opportunity because of it.

On the other hand, the more that snotty voice of hers is heard....

Hint to the Times: get someone to keep tally... rally, it's not that hard.

Posted by: Cheryl on October 11, 2006 09:06 PM
6. I don't agree Reichert was "heckled, jeered and laughed" at in re: the Green River killer, but I agree that a lot of folks snickered. They were no doubt remembering the PI article about how Mr. Reichert put himself up for the Medal of Valor awards, how he refused to believe Ridgeway was the killer, his accountability problems as Sheriff, etc. Of course his ego wouldn't let him recognize what the audience was really thinking, hence the "victim" comment.

Speaking of moderator, it's usually common courtesy when one mispronounces a name to apologize to that individual, but evidently Mr. Veseley (who appeared to identify himself as a close friend of Mr. Reichert's early in the evening) has none, as he didn't bother. I thought that was extremely rude.

I also think Congressman Reichert conducted himself overall much better than Darcy and easily "won" the debate. I think Darcy was too repetitive on a lot of the same "sound bites" and a bit too strident for me.

Posted by: Jean on October 11, 2006 09:13 PM
7. Hopefully the NRCC got this on video. All they have to do is put together some of the highlights of the hissing and other moonbat antics that were uncivil and unbecoming of a proper debate and then run the commercial repeatedly in the 8th, and that will be the final blow to Darcy's Junior Achievement campaign. Not that she even has a chance now.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 11, 2006 09:16 PM
8. I found it interesting that dave (whom i voted for in 2004) needed notes for his votes... disappointing actually. I don't like having a choice between sheriff dave (who is seeming more and more stupid) and darcy burner (a harvard graduate...) Maybe us republicans should consider intelligence levels in congressional qualifications? I don't think that dave is dumb, but darcy is smarter - in such processes that congressional work implies, she seems more capable than a man who run a now faulty sheriff's office. just a thought. I have a lot to think about who I am voting for this time around.

Posted by: cornelious on October 11, 2006 09:19 PM
9. I call bull shift.

barcy durner is smarter? Than you perhaps...

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 11, 2006 09:24 PM
10. Jean, I'll grant you, for the sake of argument, you're correct, it was not jeering, but merely a severe disrespect for his years of public service based on the P-I article (and maybe it was). But the point is whether you believe it was jeering or not in that instance, the behavior displayed after a comment from the candidate on his public service during a debate, where the moderator laid out the groundrules before the debate is classless. And it's not like it happened once. Things were said throughout the debate by many in the audience. It wasn't one bad apple spoiling the rest of the batch. And, ironically, the P-I, who's no fan of Dave (as evidenced by the article you cite), agrees with my perception of the atmosphere of the audience in their article on the debate in today's paper. They cite some of the stuff i saw as a biased observer...so it wasn't just me being a sensitive, blind follower of Dave. I'm not saying Dave's side was silent, but i am saying they weren't loud, and they weren't rude. Dave wasn't telling his folks to calm down, the "one time" (literally) Ames Lake Community Board President was.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/288265_debate11.html


Posted by: James on October 11, 2006 09:34 PM
11. The crowd was heavily in favor of Burner by almost 2 to 1 but many of those were party activists who had ridden the bus across the lake to watch.

I'm sorry, I was at the debate and I didn't see you canvassing every burner support in order to find out who was from the district. But you must have asked them all, right? Because otherwise you would be pulling things out of your butt! In fact Reichert's piss-poor turnout compared to Darcy is due to the truly phenomenal passion her in-district supporters have for her campaign. Reichert has no such passion on his side.

After the debate, while Darcy's supporters were jovially cellebrating her total ownage, Reichert could be seen backstage shouting epithets at his campaign team. Haha, remind me who's scared?

Posted by: Sorry Charlie on October 11, 2006 09:35 PM
12. On a couple of occasions she did not appear to understand the questions asked of her.

You mean like when she was asked about FCC regulations and media consolidation and she said,

"I'm not prepared to talk about that issue. I'm going to pass on that question."?

Oh, ...wait, that was Dave Reichert. I'm sure the Blethen's loved that answer.

Posted by: Sorry Charlie on October 11, 2006 09:55 PM
13. Here a a couple of questions Darcy didn't get around to answering at the debate or at the times today. If voting with your party 90% of the time makes you a rubber-stamp, what percentage of voting with the Democratic leadership can we expect Darcy to do if elected? And what can we call it? 45%? About average for Darcy on all elections, so it is a real possibility let's call it "irresponsible lacky behavior". 90%? Not likely given her past, but let's stick with her own "Rubber theme" and call her blow-up doll Darcy. 95%? Well that's really exceeding expectations and it should rate her an official order of the Democratic Sycophant merit badge or "Pelosi Pinhead" and finally 100% voting with her Democratic handlers Darcy gets to Free Willy in the traditional blue dress.

Posted by: Huh? on October 11, 2006 10:46 PM
14. From the looks of all the comment threads of late, the left has done a good job of getting the memo out to the troops. That is: Go to SP and troll flood the comments.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 11, 2006 11:35 PM
15. "I'm not prepared to talk about that issue. I'm going to pass on that question."

Finally, a representative who's not afraid to say he doesn't know.

If I knew nothing else about either, that one answer would convince me to vote for Reichert.

Posted by: mykela on October 12, 2006 10:02 AM
16. Here is what Reichert should say when Burner starts touting her families accomplishments.

"We've heard enough of Nancy's family to know this. If I was a friend of the family... she'd be the first one telling you that she the sister of her brother's friend that helped catch the Green River killer.. and therefore she tough on crime."

Posted by: Troll on October 12, 2006 10:39 AM
17. "We've heard enough of Nancy's family from her campaign by now to know this. If I was a friend of the family... she'd be the first one telling you that she the sister of her brother's friend that helped catch the Green River killer.. and therefore she's tough on crime."

Posted by: Troll on October 12, 2006 10:42 AM
18. "Maybe us republicans should consider intelligence levels in congressional qualifications? I don't think that dave is dumb, but darcy is smarter"

Apparently she wasn't smart enough to finish her law degree.

Posted by: pbj on October 12, 2006 11:17 AM
19. Speaking of debates (or, to be more precise, "joint appearances at candidates' forums," there was a second joint appearance of Steve Beren and Jim McDermott before 1,000 people Monday night at the Korean American Voters Alliance, and a third candidates' forum is scheduled for Wednesday night October 25 under the auspices of the Maple Leaf Community Council. For more information and reports on the first two events, go to:

http://www.berenforcongress.com/debate.html
http://www.berenforcongress.com/shoreline.html
http://www.berenforcongress.com/kava.html

Posted by: Beren for Congress on October 12, 2006 11:52 AM
20. Agreed, PBJ. And "republican Cornelious", pray tell, what makes her smarter? That she was a Program Manager for MSFT (and not an executive as she would have you think)? Is that a little bit of trolling elitism I see? If you're a cop, sheriff, soldier, you must be a knuckle dragger? I've been at MSFT, and believe you me, those folks aren't any smarter than you or me (well, they have better grammar skills than you, "Cornelious") - they just have more money, and are laser focused on their tiny little gear tooth in the giant machine called Microsoft. One thing I do know about her MSFT experience is that it taught her to do whatever she can to get ahead. Which means she climbs up the knives she's planted in the backs of people who have gotten in her way. THAT'S the MSFT way to get ahead. And as you can see from her base, her ads, and her talking points, those MSFT tactics are what she is using.

Posted by: The REAL Cornelius on October 12, 2006 12:10 PM
21.
The key moment in the debate came when nearly half of Darcy supporters heckled, jeered and laughed at Reichert when he brought up the Green River Killer and his efforts leading the task force which apprehended Gary Ridgeway.

You are a liar. At most there were four people who laughed, quietly, at that remark.

For God's sake, the video of the event is right here. The incident you describe happens at exactly 1:03:20 of the WMV stream. Those microphones are pretty good--elsewhere in the video you can hear solitary coughs and speech from the audience. That was not "half of Darcy supporters," and anyone who has seen the video or was there that night knows it.

Either you lied when you said you were there, or you were there and chose to lie about what actually happened. Why would you lie about something that's so easy to check out?

Posted by: Sound Politics Lies on October 14, 2006 12:58 PM
22. This is your big lie, lefty troll? The number of people who jeered when Reichert brought up the Green River killer issue? That's the Big!! Lie!!??

I guess when reasonable people would question why anybody would jeer, chuckle or guffaw at this subject, it only makes sense that you would distract from the message and actions of the fools in the audience and question the actual number of fools in the audience.

Simply pathetic.

Posted by: jimg on October 14, 2006 02:58 PM
23. Why did Reichert never tail Gary Ridgeway for a couple days? He had numerous opportunities to catch him early on. And the ludicrousness of bringing up the Green River Killer in a debate about political issues is apparently lost on any of you. As for smarts, Reichert was eluded for 19 years by a guy with an IQ of 82. We are not talking Hannibal Lecter here.

Posted by: David on October 14, 2006 04:51 PM
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