November 19, 2006
Apple Capital no more?

In another SayWA moment, Wenatchee has changed its slogan from "Apple Capital of the World" to "Wenatchee. Meeting Rivers. Meeting Friends. Meeting Needs.".

Whatever. More apropos would be "City of Ridiculous. Trials.".

But seriously, I like "Apple Capital of the World". And it pays homage to an important and beloved local industry.

What do readers, especially those from Wenatchee, think?

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 19, 2006 02:54 PM | Email This
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1. "Wenatchee. Meeting Rivers. Meeting Friends. Meeting Needs."

Oh, God help us.

Posted by: ScottM on November 19, 2006 03:13 PM
2. My place is next door in Okanogan County, so the opinion that matters on this subject belongs to my neighbors in Chelan County... But I've driven by the ''Apple Capital of the World'' sign for years. It's part of the history, customs, and culture of the greater Wenatchee area. That new ''slogan'' (if you can call it that) sounds like it was something some brilliant bureaucrat paid an urban new-age consulting firm a lot of money to come up with.

Just like ''SayWA'', hopefully this will get enough ridicule and objection from the sensible citizens of Chelan county that this latest bureaucratic marketing idea will go the way of SayWA.

Posted by: Methow Ken on November 19, 2006 03:23 PM
3. OK:

Say Wa

WA Mu

Wenatchee: MR,MF,MN

May I humbly sum all this up? PLOP

Pathetic losers on parade

Posted by: Hank on November 19, 2006 03:55 PM
4. Go back to the old slogan! Hurry!

The new one sounds like someone from Seattle created it (like, metronatural, BAA-by!)

Posted by: Michele on November 19, 2006 04:03 PM
5. Apple Capitol of the World, is a source of community pride and unity. MR, MF, MN, says what about the community?

If I were planning a trip, which would interest me enough to include Wenatchee?...probably not MR, MF, MN. It's sad and pathetic.

Not a resident of Wenatchee, but we visit occasionally.

Posted by: dl on November 19, 2006 04:04 PM
6. No thanks. This stupid new thing will never fly.

I'll take Apple Capital - it goes with the Apple Blossom Festival.

I do recall Wenatchee's brief flirt with "Prozac Capital," which seemed pretty appropriate at the time.

Posted by: thor on November 19, 2006 04:08 PM
7. "How embarrasing", says my wife, from Wenatchee.

Good grief, says I.

"Barf", from our 6 year old.

Which begs the question, how much did they pay for this slogan?

Posted by: Shaun on November 19, 2006 04:20 PM
8. Meeting Rivers? Who Joan?

This sounds like something an old P.R. flack would write. I used to work at an ad agency in Freeland and the ex navy P.R. flack who ran it convinced the folks in Freeland to use "It's a Freeland kind of day." After 20 years I'm still not sure what that is supposed to mean. I don't think the kind folks at Freeland do either.

Anyway, I gotta wrap this up, I have to meet some needs.

Posted by: G Jiggy on November 19, 2006 04:56 PM
9. This just reminded me of a goofy slogan that a fellow Californian told me his hometown adopted:
"Feelin' Good About Fresno"

Posted by: Michele on November 19, 2006 05:06 PM
10. Here is the Biography of the "Slogan-meister" David Clemons:
Biography----
David Clemons has been working as a professional illustrator and graphic designer for over 20 years. His clients have included I.B.M.,Warner Brothers, Walt Disney, The Los Angeles Times, Michael Jackson,The Hollywood Reporter, M.G.M., Nintendo, Isuzu Motors, N.F.L., Pepsi Cola, AT&T and Focus on the Family. More recently David has been accepting public art comissions around the northwest and across the country. His work for public commissions is representational and often figurative. The sculptures he creates have a strong intellectual and poetic dimension. His work can be seen at: DavidLClemons.com & PublicArtbyClemons.com

Illustrator
Graphic Designer
Now a Sculptor
And a Slogan-meister!!

Is there nothing David Clemons cannot do??
Ummm...yeah
Write a slogan that is worth a SH*T!!!
Wenatchee couldn't even find someone local to do this work????? Sheesh.
I'll bet Clemons threw in the f*cking slogan for FREE as part of that $83,000 sculpture.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 19, 2006 05:31 PM
11. Unfortunately, Wenatchee is no longer the "Apple Capital of the World" let alone of the US.

In recent years, buyers have sqitched to cheaper apples grown in China, Mexico and South America. As a result, many of the farms that once had large orchards are either changing crops to grapes and pears or selling the farms to developers.

Changing crops takes a long time to get the trees or vines started and mature enough to produce fruit, so if the farmers can't take a few years to adjust, then they don't have much choice.

Next time you drive through the area notice how many houses are now where orchards used to be.

I'm all for capitalism, but I also don't want to put all my eggs in the foreign market basket.

Posted by: Ken on November 19, 2006 05:33 PM
12. See, there are some things that the left and right can agree on, like this new slogan sucking eggs.

Posted by: me on November 19, 2006 09:05 PM
13. #11 -- I think it is too late Ken -- the doctors, lawyers and techies from the west side have been raping the orchard acerage for the last 20-30 years >> people in the puget sound area who are so helpless they can't even grow their own greenhouse tomatoes -- buy them year around from Canadian greenhouses -- absolutely pathetic

Posted by: Bill on November 19, 2006 11:03 PM
14. The Wenatchee Daily World used to go a step farther with (as I recall) this slogan: "Apple capital of the world and buckle on the power belt of the great Northwest". (The long time publisher of the World was a public power advocate.) Even as a kid I thought that was funny.

But the "Apple Capital" slogan is perfect, and it is idiotic to give it up.

And, despite what you may have heard, Washington still produces lots of apples: 10-12 billion each year, according to the Apple Commission, enough, they say, to circle the Earth 12 times if they were placed side by side.

Posted by: Jim Miller on November 20, 2006 04:29 AM
15. I think Michelle nailed it...heres a chance to study Metronaturals in a less urbanized environment.
I encourage Wanatchee-ites to get those damned apple trees cut down and get those power-generating windmills up so they can start meeting needs...like the electrical ones of Seattle.

Posted by: Diogenes on November 20, 2006 08:09 AM
16. As someone who grew up in Wenatchee, I also am embarrased by the new slogan.

Apple orchards may not be all over as they once were but the new slogan is just stupid as was "Say WA". Hopefully, like the state, they will soon drop the new slogan and go back to the old.

Posted by: Bill4728 on November 20, 2006 08:52 AM
17. It's an incredibly stupid change and one which completely erases Wenatchee's identity to first time visitors. I'll give the signs three months before they are covered with graffiti. However, this "SAY WA" mentality is not surprising. Wenatchee as of late is being populated by west side refugees who are pushing their "progressive" culture upon was what was once a conservative city. And the newspaper, The Wenatchee World, looks like the "little P-I" on most days.

Posted by: Indahouse on November 20, 2006 08:57 AM
18. It's an incredibly stupid change and one which completely erases Wenatchee's identity to first time visitors. I'll give the signs three months before they are covered with graffiti. However, this "SAY WA" mentality is not surprising. Wenatchee as of late is being populated by west side refugees who are pushing their "progressive" culture upon was what was once a conservative city. And the newspaper, The Wenatchee World, looks like the "little P-I" on most days.

Posted by: Indahouse on November 20, 2006 08:57 AM
19. New license plate slogans:

Idaho - Famous meeting rooms.
Illinois - Land of conference rooms.
Utah - Best meetings on Earth
Virginia - is for Meeters.

I gotta go meet someone.

Posted by: Steve on November 20, 2006 09:47 AM
20. Wenatchee illegal alien agri workers:

Forging Rivers.
Bringing Friends.
Meeting needs---and All For Free!

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on November 20, 2006 10:06 AM
21. As much as I like "Apple Capital", I think it's fitting that they've lost that title. As an earlier post pointed out, Washington is no longer the largest exporter of apples. That title now belongs to China.

During a recent visit to a major juice co-packing facility east of the cascades, I was informed that it is now less expensive to purchase apple juice concentrate from China, than it is from the Yakima valley. And yes, that includes delivery from overseas.

Even more sad is that I was told the customer service from the Chinese is better and more reliable, even considering the potential delays and other issues of getting containers through our ports. The Chinese brokers speak perfect english, and provide daily status on your delivery, letting you know exactly what hour it will be delivered to your dock.

And what are the Chinese doing now? Furiously planting hundreds of thousands of orange trees in the South, from what I undertand. I wonder what Florida will be famous for in ten years.... Disney World maybe?

Posted by: Splinter on November 20, 2006 10:06 AM
22. If they're going to change the slogan, change it to Welcome to Wenatchee. Now, go eat at Dusty's.

In all seriousness, this is simply another example of marketing "professionals" trying to justify their existence. Style over substance. Plus, from what I understand, the artist was out of area, was late, ran over budget and cost close to $100 large. All for what?

Posted by: jimg on November 20, 2006 12:32 PM
23. Yuck, I hate those foreign apples. New Zealand ones are like marbles.

Wenatchee is a lovely area, and if a new title is necessary they deserve alot better than MR, MF, MN.

Posted by: dl on November 20, 2006 02:57 PM
24. Good grief. The new slogan sucks. The city is apparently embarrassed about all of the apple orchards being ripped out because of bankruptcies.

Posted by: Wenatchee-Grown Farmboy on November 20, 2006 03:35 PM
25. Speaking of cities that need to change slogans, Yakima *really* needs to rethink it's "The Palm Springs of Washington" sign as you come into town... just before you hit a big lumber mill.

Posted by: Splinter on November 20, 2006 04:13 PM
26. How is it that people in general knew nothing of this new "sign" until they saw a picture in the local paper of it being installed and the Apple Capital sign and motto being hauled away??

This is so disrespectful of the settlers of over a hundred years ago who came here to grow apples and other fruit. And it is disrespectful of the next generations of growers who loved growing fruit as this special Valley can do. If my Grandfather could see what has been done, I wonder what he would think/say as he recalled proudly hauling a load of apples to town with a beautiful team of horses in 1913?

Sure, the City part of Wenatchee has been given over to mostly housing and city life, but the areas surrounding the City are covered with orchards of apples and other fruit. This new "slogan" is disrespectful of our present growers as well as previous growers. It is also disrespectful of the HISTORY of the beautiful Wenatchee Valley with the Columbia and Wenatchee Rivers flowing through and irrigating many miles of fertile Valley land. And how about the many miles of canals dug in the early 1900's to irrigate the lands around the foothills?

For this person, born in the 30's raising apples, this will always be The APPLE CAPITAL OF THE WORLD! No other "motto" will do!

Posted by: Robert MacPhail on November 20, 2006 11:05 PM
27. splinter 21--
i heard the same about China planting huge tracts of apples from a reliable industry source some time ago. WA had better get its business acumen going and watch these trends so we can react with some sensibility. behind the 8-ball is no way to run our state strengths. reactionary.

i trust business to do so, but our tax-crazy legislature and anti-business climate here give me reason to pause. i honestly dont think we LIKE business here, but treat it like a dental checkup--tolerate it as a necessity but dont get excited.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on November 21, 2006 05:17 AM
28. jimmie: "i trust business to do so, but our tax-crazy legislature and anti-business climate here give me reason to pause."

You could eliminate the taxes entirely for apple growers, but I don't think you can just blame Olympia and an "anti-business" climate for this. When you have to pay apple pickers in Washington $7 to $9 an hour, and the Chinese pay $7 to $9 per month, it's going to be hard to compete. And all the tax relief in the world isn't going to get Washington businesses to provide better customer service, so we can at least compete that way.

This is going to take a concerted and cooperative effort between our business community, our schools (business and agricultural colleges specifically), and our government. The government should not just cut taxes for the sake of cutting taxes, they should offer tax incentives to those businesses that invest in processes and technologies that result in a more efficient and competitive company.

It may already be too late at this point... at least for our apple farmers. Sad to see this happening. I wonder how much longer it will be before it's not just a small percentage of juice concentrate coming in, but cases of finished product, ready for the grocery store shelves.

Posted by: Splinter on November 21, 2006 08:25 AM
29. Splinter...it's not just the agriculture. Washington State is WELL known nationally for being anti-business. For reasons across a wide spectrum, a disproportunately large number of businesses leave this state (imports & homegrown), and many decline to bring their business (and $$) here after investigating the local business climate.

For example, a few years ago Cessa was looking for a new location to manufacture their small airplanes. Washington's attitude was "how much will you give us" if we allow you to build here and provide jobs and income to Washington. Another state (southern I believe) won the contract with the approach of "what temporary concessions can we make for Cessna while they get this enterprise up and running" to provide jobs and income for our state.

Unfortunately, WA state appears to view businesses as a necessary evil and a limitless source of "shake down" dollars, while remaining fairly blind to the concept that businesses provide jobs and a livlihood for citizens.

Posted by: dl on November 21, 2006 08:49 AM
30. Splinter...it's not just the agriculture. Washington State is WELL known nationally for being anti-business. For reasons across a wide spectrum, a disproportunately large number of businesses leave this state (imports & homegrown), and many decline to bring their business (and $$) here after investigating the local business climate.

For example, a few years ago Cessa was looking for a new location to manufacture their small airplanes. Washington's attitude was "how much will you give us" if we allow you to build here and provide jobs and income to Washington. Another state (southern I believe) won the contract with the approach of "what temporary concessions can we make for Cessna while they get this enterprise up and running" to provide jobs and income for our state.

Unfortunately, WA state appears to view businesses as a necessary evil and a limitless source of "shake down" dollars, while remaining fairly blind to the concept that businesses provide jobs and a livlihood for citizens.

Posted by: dl on November 21, 2006 08:50 AM
31. dl -

Can you provide any more evidence other than one company that decided not to move to Washington?

As far as small businesses go, Washington was actually ranked near the top of the list from a business policy perspective (#5 specifically):

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061101/dcw037.html?.v=70

And if you're talking about big business, did the State make major concessions to Boeing to keep it in the Northwest?

The last time I looked out my window around the Seattle area (where the highest taxes and most regulations are found) I did not see a bunch of "for sale" signs or boarded up windows. I saw a dozen cranes putting up expensive new housing and high-end office space.

Posted by: Splinter on November 21, 2006 09:44 AM
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