January 11, 2007
Cold weather is costly too

Seattle Times: "Warming climate may prove costly for state, study warns".

Cold weather proves to be costly too. And schools all over the Puget Sound are closed again, all because of a couple of inches of snow. When I was growing up in Wisconsin they never called a snow day unless it was a blizzard or if there were feet of snow on the ground. If you're having to miss work today to stay home with your kids again, blame local government for being inadequately prepared. Ron Sims should take the real threat of cold weather as seriously as he takes the "growing threat of global warming".

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 11, 2007 10:44 AM | Email This
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1. Stefan - Don't you get it. The govt. must protect us. Especially the children.

If it is too dangerous to eat peanut butter in the schools, or trans-fats, or to play tag in the playground, how can we possibly condone allowing children to venture out of the house when there is 1/2 inch of frost on the ground. They might slip and fall! You must be a heartless Republican heterosexual white guy.

Posted by: Steve on January 11, 2007 10:36 AM
2. Stefan, I suspect the government in Wisconsin is less prepared for a tsunami than Seattle is. Do you seriously believe it is cost-effective to be as prepared for snow in mild, hilly Washington as in snowy, flat Wisconsin? Or are you just having a hard time finding something else to criticize a Democrat for today?

Posted by: Bruce on January 11, 2007 10:49 AM
3. As I mused in Matt's "Let It Snow' entry...
I wonder if this 'modern' habit of closing schools has less to do with bad roads and more to to with lawyers. A school bus careening across traffic would not make school district attorneys happy folks. Indeed the mere thought of such an event probably makes them apoplectic.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskold on January 11, 2007 10:57 AM
4. Thanks to the miracle of television I am a living eye witness to the coronation of Queen Elizabeth, the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald, Armstrong's first step on the Moon, and now Storm Watch '07.

The nightly remote broadcasts from Snoqualmie Summit are awe-inspiring. The perpetual reports of fallen trees, along with persons who were there recreating the sounds of those falling trees with their own lips, leave me with a feeling of connection. I now know how my forefathers felt, glued to the radio, when they heard Edward R. Murrow in the midst of the Blitz say "This is London."

Posted by: Tyler Durden on January 11, 2007 11:08 AM
5. Stefan,

I almost always agree with you. I do not, however, on this post, unless you you are speaking tongue in cheek.

It is up to the individual to make the appropriate choices in preparation for stormy weather and other bumps in the road. We complain about taxes and then turn around and demand the government wipe our a$$es. So give up the vacation to Cabo and buy an all weather vehicle. Trade a few trips to the mall for a generator. Forgo the Starbucks for a month or three and purchase a back-up source of heat. And if you can't drive in an inch of snow, catch a ride with someone who can and offer to fill their tank. They might even offer to pick you up the following day!

Posted by: Saltherring on January 11, 2007 11:57 AM
6. Bruce, tsunamis don't happen in Wisconsin - period. And snow does happen in Seattle, much more frequently than tsunamis do, so the government here should be better prepared for snow than it is for tsunamis. Your comparison is brain-dead.

This isn't about Democrats and Republicans, it's about effete latte-lappers who prefer Chicken-Little responses to preparedness.

And the only reason Ron Sims is a Democrat is because he scored too low on the GOP intelligence test.

Posted by: sro on January 11, 2007 12:01 PM
7. The MSM reporting of the 'great paralyzing storm of '07'.. reminds me of the reporting in Iraq... find the worst news of it and lead people to believe it is the news regarding ALL of it.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskold on January 11, 2007 12:07 PM
8. Ragnar, I can go along with that. Next thing you know, they'll be calling it a "snow surge"... or maybe a "weather escalation".

Posted by: sro on January 11, 2007 12:48 PM
9. OK, I have it now: "Global warming redeployment".

Posted by: sro on January 11, 2007 12:59 PM
10. At the end of the article on climate change Ccornwall, the "reporter", mentions some emissions stats but includes no context. He cites 1990 - 2004 absolute emissions increase of 12 percent (88 million tons or something), but fails to mention that Wash State population increased by some 27% during that period so that the actual per capita emissions likely DECLINED.

I suspect that bit of context would conflict with his AGENDA so it didn't make it in. Alternatively, he didn't think of it which leads one to ask: why we should rely on his reporting?

Posted by: Stan on January 11, 2007 01:10 PM
11. In regions that get significant snow in winter, the governments do spend tons of money plowing and sanding, and the schools and such do generally stay open.

I grew up in a part of the South that had snow about as often as we now do in the Puget Sound region. And, it usually melted in a few days, just as it usually does here. There were a few plows and sand trucks out -- to make it possible for essential travel to be done. But, non-essential travel on the two or three days affected by the snow was not done.

I lived for 3 years in Rhode Island. Imagine my surprise to find that the little residential street -- a long way off the major road -- where I lived was plowed at 6 a.m. that morning before I even began to shovel my driveway. Unless you grew up where such things didn't ever happen, you might not be able to imagine it.

Later, I learned that the governments in Rhode Island spent as much or more to remove snow from the roads and highways than they spent to maintain the pavement. (And it showed in places.)

For the Puget Sound region to have the snow-removal capability that exists in places like Rhode Island and Wisconsin, we would need to have tons of equipment sitting around for 355 to 360 days a year and lots of temp employees ready to come in during the snow and work for a day or so.

It just isn't practical. So, I guess you Northerners will just have to learn to drive in snow, just as we Southerners had to do. It won't all be removed before you need to go out in it.

As for the schools, they can readily take a couple of days off once or twice a year because of snow. It's not the litigation danger -- it's the danger to the people that would result from trying to get to and from school rather than waiting for the roads to clear.

Posted by: Micajah on January 11, 2007 01:12 PM
12. where's that braggart doug southerland; i wanted to call hime while waiting for the deicer last night. gee, why bother buying them if you cannot deploy them

Posted by: righton on January 11, 2007 01:29 PM
13. I don't give "may" arguments any weight because they are impossible to refute. The best one can do is by build a never ending list of alternative "may" possibilities.

Actually I tend to regard such articles as contemptuous of the audience they were intended for and skip over atticles topped by headlines which contain "may" arguments. However if I do read them I simply mentally substitute "may not" every where that "may" appears when reading the article. This method does not change the meaning of any statement contained therein one iota.

Posted by: JDH on January 11, 2007 01:48 PM
14. I grew up in Wisconsin too, and much of the snow removal was done by private citizens, not the government. Every milk truck, and many school buses, were equipped with snowplows and plowed snow on their regular rounds. County equipment concentrated on major highways.

I also remember my neighbor down the road putt-putting into our property on his Farm-All tractor after nearly every big storm, plowing out driveways for all his immediate neighbors. In all my years of school there, I can remember school being canceled maybe a half dozen times at most.

Posted by: Maximus on January 11, 2007 02:33 PM
15. I also grew up in Wisconsin, and much of the snow removal was done by private citizens. Every milk truck, and many school buses, were equipped with snowplows and plowed snow on their regular rounds. County equipment concentrated on major highways.

I also remember my neighbor from down the road putt-putting into our property on his Farm-All tractor after nearly every big storm, plowing out driveways for all his immediate neighbors. In all my years of school there, I can remember school being canceled a half dozen times at most.

Posted by: Maximus on January 11, 2007 02:35 PM
16. It's global warming in NYC... and here in WA few years back... now we have too much rain and snow... hmmm is the sky falling or is the weather being the weather??? Unpredictable and always changing.

Posted by: Global Warming in NYC on January 11, 2007 03:26 PM
17. http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/IceAgeBook/history_of_climate.html

Using the methodology that most Glogal Warming alarmists seem to prefer - since it was ~20 degrees this morning when I woke up and it is currently ~ 35 degrees if we don't do something by the middle of next week it it will be 125 degrees and rising rapidly.

Posted by: JDH on January 11, 2007 03:43 PM
18. You could just leave the kids with a friend, neighbor, or college student who now has the day off and get your butt to work if that is really where you want to be.

Posted by: RH on January 11, 2007 04:05 PM
19. I caught a bus at the Bellevue Transit Center at 4:30 yesterday afternoon, just as the snow was about to hit the fan. Sat on it for an hour as it moved 1 mile north. Hopped off at Dixie's BBQ and walked/jogged to Juanita. I'm not sure, but I think I may have passed my bus on Market Street in Kirkland...

Unless people's lives depend on your job, I think it's prudent to stay home, especially if you don't have chains and the roads are not sanded.

Posted by: Organization Man on January 11, 2007 05:21 PM
20. The issue is the culture of retarded drivers created by the heavily left leaning state of WA. I'm consistently amazed at how bad the drivers are here in just a few inches of snow. Common sense would suggest that one drive at a reasonable and safe speed, with extra attentiveness and no sudden moves when confronted with new and seldom experienced conditions such as snow. But common sense is not common for people who are used to having their hands held by their socialist masters. So they either cower and panic, or drive with abandon figuring that someone else will bail them out.

I drive extra defensively on snow days to account for all of the other idiots, but view these days as a welcome opportunity to provide experience for those less experienced snow drivers who have the sense to use this as an opportunity to learn snow driving.

And for those too stupid or coddled to learn, let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 11, 2007 11:31 PM
21. As someone who grew up on the East Side (The one actually on the east side of the state, not Bellevue), it is laughable how every snow day causes a flurry of disaster reporting from the local news media on how bad it is.

Especially amusing is the abandonment of the luxury automobiles at the first sign of snow.

Posted by: pbj on January 11, 2007 11:33 PM
22. Native Wisconsinite here, too. I used to bitch about Seattle's (lack of) snow removal practices, but now I think it's not a big deal. It really doesn't snow often enough to warrant the cost of what many Wisconsin communities bear. True, a lot of northwesterners don't drive very well in snow and ice -- especially the ones with 4x4's who think they can drive normally because of it -- but it's also true that the hills here are killers.

That said, residents really need to be more prepared themselves. All the forecasters said the snow was going to arrive around 4 pm, so people who had long commutes that involved hills should have gotten out before they did.

Posted by: Frank Black on January 12, 2007 10:21 AM
23. I'm far from being a glabal warming alarmist, but I think Ron Sims's answer would be that part of the predicted effects of global warming is to increase extreme weather in the northwest and elsewhere. So responding to major snowstorms would, a fortiori, have to be part of the package.

Posted by: DJ on January 12, 2007 12:43 PM
24. I grew up in New York City, and remember that every single metro bus and garbage truck had its own plow, that was put on in November, and used throughout the winter. They put chains on all the buses here, so plows would be all they would have to do. Figure a couple-few grand per bus, and the problem could be handled. But NOOOOO! Better to sit and cry for the children, while they steal their school days. Shame on Sims and the King County democraps. "Global Warming" does indeed forsee more extreme weather, so true believers in GW would anticipate more snow here, but the dirty little secret is that there are no TRUE believers in global warming, only frauds interested in punishing us for our prosperity. If they believed in their GW nonsense, they would research and debate the practicality of modifying weather and climate. But they never do that.

Posted by: Michael Gersh on January 12, 2007 03:43 PM
25. The Seattle Times wants it both ways, which shows that they advocate junk science. I am certainly open to hear conclusive evidence that looks at the pros and cons about warming, but not hysterical drive-by arguments that don't look at all sides of this issue.

The global warming hysterics are hooked to a financial trough and will go to any lengths increase the flow of money. Michael Crichton was right about that.

Posted by: KS on January 13, 2007 09:26 PM
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