February 14, 2007
More good news for Giuliani

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani is doing very well in various early Presidential opinion polls, from the scientific (latest USA Today/Gallup poll) to the informal (GOP bloggers straw poll) and in GOP party straw polls. (He won the Clark County, WA Lincoln Day Dinner straw poll last weekend 35% - Romney's 20% and McCain's 12%).

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 14, 2007 11:12 AM | Email This
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1. We all have our preferences, but remember the old 11th Commandment. After all, the Democrats will rip our guys a new one, anyways, so why destroy our guys first.

The latest, I assume, is from old Giuliani staffers (via Howard Kurtz) bringing up some old 14 year old or older staffer memo. I assume that the memo is part and parcel of the Clinton Terminator Squad.

Today, Orbusmax referenced a nice article about Ginrich that was nice about Newt without going negative on the others.

Posted by: swatter on February 14, 2007 11:14 AM
2. Rudy Giuliani will be the next President of the United States. And he'll win decisively.

Most Americans are sick of this Red State-Blue State jive. And Rudy will put a stop to that by uniting the vast majority of us who want to eradicate Islamist terrorism. You think George W. Bush is tough? Imagine if he was brilliant, articulate, and could get by on three hours of sleep a night. That's Rudy.

The anti-war, anti-American Left in this country has a lot to fear from Rudy. Religious conservatives do not.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 11:14 AM
3. Stefan,

Don't say this out loud, as it will only embolden the media to further exaggerate their already-grotesquely biased coverage of Obama and Hillary further. Mitt Romney's entering the race was welcomed with virtually no coverage from the media at all.

Advertising Republican good news is dangerous in times where the media is so aggressively crossing the line to help Demorats.

Posted by: MJC on February 14, 2007 11:14 AM
4. MJC, let the media promote their darlings. Americans aren't stupid, and they know an oppotunist (Clinton) and a lightweight (Obama) when they see 'em. The MSM's fetishistic promotion of these two guys is sucking the air (and the campaign dollars) away from the Dems who actually could win a general election: The execrable populist John Edwards, and Bill Richardson. And that's good for the GOP.

Listen: In a Hillary vs. Obama matchup, Hill wins hands down. She's tougher and more experienced than Barack, and, although I'm sure he was a fine "community organizer", he doesn't frankly appear to have the balls to be President. And, er, Hillary does.

This race will come down to Hillary and Rudy. And that'll be an easy decision for me and, I'll wager, a significant majority of American voters.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 11:22 AM
5. McCain. That's a laugh. No chance.

I don't agree with all things Giuliani, but that's true of every single candidate on both sides of the aisle. I'm with Giuliani, because he's got the balls to stand up to radical Islam. GW does not as evidenced by his most recent cowardly walk-back with regard to North Korea. Unfortunately, Bush is not a closer, nor someone who stands up and denounces his critics, and for that reason, it will be good to see him go.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 14, 2007 11:25 AM
6. If I was King I'd appoint Newt. He has the best ideas (smaller government and part time legislators in D.C. for a couple) but the guy is a lightning rod for all of the hate that every fabric of the left can muster. I like Rudy too because he's as tough as nails and takes command. 9/11 proved that. He seems like a genuinely nice guy and he may be a bit of a small government guy too. He also seems comfortable in his own skin like Obama does.

Mitt's being a Mormon might have some liability. Although I don't care one way or the tuther myself, I know many Christians who view Mormonism as "a cult" and disrespect it as a religion. Conversion from a Christian faith to Mormonism causes much angst amongst these folks. How deep these feelings run nationally and if it will cost him votes is up for discussion.

I'm really of two minds with McCain. On one hand, he's a veteran and I really respect that. On the other, his decisions on various issues enrages me. For example his crafting of campaign "reform" has made things so bad that Republicans may never recover and he still hasn't figured out how bad it is. I also think he's a bigger government guy along the lines of Bush.

A Giuliani/Romney ticket might work.

Posted by: G Jiggy on February 14, 2007 11:51 AM
7. The fact that he's a draft dodger who married his second cousin doesn't bother you at all?

I don't think this country needs another draft dodger as President.

Posted by: Cato on February 14, 2007 12:12 PM
8. It will be good to see Bush go. My main concern is that he may screw things up so badly that he angers voters into either staying home or voting for the Democrat Candidate(s), whoever they are. The media will probably try to show the similarities between Guilliani and Bush and key in on his personal life. However, Rudy is a far superior speaker and leader !

I also hope that Bush will work with Congress and vice versa to forge a new direction in Iraq, but that seems less likely day by day. I believe that Rudy would be able to take effective action re:Iraq, if he were in Bush's shoes now. Don't forget though; The Democrats are known as the Sneaky Party and the Republicans are the Stupid Party. These labels seem to be sticking well in this new decade...

Posted by: KS on February 14, 2007 12:14 PM
9. It would be clearly better than having the wife of a draft dodger from Hope, Arkansas as President. We sure as h*ll don't deserve that big kick in the groin !

Posted by: KS on February 14, 2007 12:19 PM
10. #7 It would be clearly better than having the wife of a draft dodger from Hope, Arkansas as President. We sure don't deserve that big kick in the groin !

Posted by: KS on February 14, 2007 12:20 PM
11. Cato, that sort of smear just tells me that people on the Left are scared to death that Rudy will win the GOP nomination. Because you know that he'll romp to a win in the general election, and that'll put to an end the Left's dreams of recapturing the loyalty of the political center for another generation.

Look, Rudy no more dodged the draft than Hillary did. He was in ROTC in college, and for two straight years after that he was available for the draft--but high lottery numbers kept him at home. It's true that he got an employment dispensation when he clerked for a judge after law school, but that came at the request of his boss who, I'm sure you'd agree, wasn't too excited at the prospect of losing a valuable employee to the Army in the middle the term. There's no story here.

As for Rudy's divorces: Get a life, dude.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 12:22 PM
12. Guiliani's recent comments about how "gun control helped bring down the crime rate in NYC" and that NYC's oppressive, Second Amendment and human rights violating gun laws "don't interfere with anyone's right to hunt." have completely lost him the pro-gun rights vote.

He claims to understand the Second Amendment, and then says that densely populated areas like NYC have special exceptions.

No, Mr. Mayor, you don't understand the Second Amendment. And if you don't get that one, I don't trust you with the rest of them, either.

I for one will never vote for Rudi Giuliani. I may force myself to vote against a Democrat, but I won't vote for Rudi. And you don't win elections when a big chunk of your base's only motivation is to vote against your opponent.

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on February 14, 2007 12:23 PM
13. Heartless, you're not entirely wrong. Rudy will not be the champion of the Second Amendment. He's a prosecutor, after all. And I don't think his federalism response to questions of fundamental individual rights--like the right to own a gun, or to an abortion under Roe v. Wade--is going to satisfy everyone.

But one important person is satsified: former Solicitor General Ted Olson. I'm sure you know that General Olson is a strong supporter of the individual right interpretation of the Second Amendment. He made that very argument twice to the U.S. Supreme Court when he worked in the Bush Administration. Well, Ted Olson announced yesterday that he's endorsing Rudy and will be working with the campaign on constitutional and policy matters.

Rudy is not a gun grabber. Hillary is. That's an easy choice, right?

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 12:30 PM
14. Run Rudy Run! I'll enjoy watching this over and over and over again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

Posted by: Me on February 14, 2007 12:38 PM
15. Mr. Shark,

It being Valentine's day, I am curious to know if you thoughtfully took care of the Mrs Shark. Flowers, chocolates, diamonds???? What's the gift of choice for Seattle's top political blogger?

Anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous on February 14, 2007 12:55 PM
16. > people on the Left are scared to death that Rudy will win the GOP nomination

I don't think the Left is worried one bit. He's quite leftist compared to the other candidates.

Rudy did drop out once before against Hillary, I'm sure history could repeat itself. Besides you and I both know Romney's got the nomination in the bag.

Posted by: Cato on February 14, 2007 01:12 PM
17. I think you'd be hard pressed to call Rudy a leftist of any stripe, Cato. The guy is all about nationalism, free markets, anti-collectivism--and he's a foreign policy hawk. That used to be called "reactionary" back in the day.

And Rudy dropped out against Hillary because he prostate cancer. So I suppose history could repeat itself if he gets cancer again. I'm sure you're not cheering for that.

Mitt has as much as a chance of winning the GOP nomination as you do. The dude can't break 10% in the polls, and he's already been branded as the Mormon flip-flopper. That's a tough hole to climb out of when you've got low name recognition and no national identity. Stick a fork in him.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 01:19 PM
18. I have been writing as many journalists as possible to try and countervail the Hillary-Obama-lust the Libs are enthralled in.

I point out that if we want to talk ethnicity, not quality, we should note that Guiliani will be our first Italian-American President.

I ask them to play fair, and make note of that the next time the start to write about someone being the First President, as if it really matters...

Sheesh.

Posted by: John Bailo on February 14, 2007 01:31 PM
19. Dick Morris comes up with some good insights (some bad, too). Today, he compared the Presidential election to a tennis tournament with this being the quarterfinals and the finals being the general election.

So, today, we have the more central Republicans picking their guy and the more conservative picking their guys. So, Romney versus McCain for the more conservative and Giuliani and whoever for the more central. Then, during the primaries (the semis) will occur between the two that have won their side of the party battle for the right to take on Clinton.

Posted by: swatter on February 14, 2007 01:47 PM
20. > And Rudy dropped out against Hillary because he prostate cancer.

So why didn't he try again, you know she was up for reelection just last year. The "Rudy was waiting for the 2008 elections" excuse is lame.

> I think you'd be hard pressed to call Rudy a leftist of any stripe

Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice. I'd say those are pretty liberal positions for a GOP candidate. Not going to win him any points in the South.

> he's already been branded as the Mormon flip-flopper

Rudy's a flip flopper too, he used to be a leftist Democrat.

Posted by: Cato on February 14, 2007 02:35 PM
21. Yes, Cato, I could go with Giuliani like you.

Posted by: swatter on February 14, 2007 02:51 PM
22. For all of the above, alas, Rudy is not a serious contender.

Posted by: war weary republican on February 14, 2007 02:55 PM
23. "So why didn't he try again, you know she was up for reelection just last year." Uh, Cato, because he was making millions of dollars in business and, well, getting ready to run for President in 2008.

"Pro-Gay Marriage, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Choice." I'm not sure these positions make someone a "leftist" but, at any rate, it's not the complete story. Rudy OPPOSES gay marriage. He's very clear about that. And while he says he's pro-choice, he thinks late term abortions should be illegal and supports parental notification. And he's made clear that he would appoint strict constructionist judges to the Supreme Court, in the mold of Scalia, Alito, and Roberts. That's code, dude, for "I think Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and think the states should have the power to regulate abortions." And while, no doubt, Rudy supported gun control when he was mayor of New York, he's said that he understands the Second Amendment and has no interest in going after lawful gun ownership.

As for the fact that Rudy was once a Democrat but is now a Republican: I'd say that doesn't make him a flip-flopper. It makes him smart.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 03:24 PM
24. First to create "sanctuary city" policies for illegal aliens (btw aiding and abetting illegals is a felony, see michellemalkin.com for the excerpted law). Pro gun control anti-second amendment. No thanks, I'll pass.

I'd rather vote for hillary or obama, than aid the republicans in their continued slide to the left. If all conservatives refuse to vote for liberal lite and instead vote for the real thing, maybe the republicans will wake up and take back their party. Otherwise what's the point of voting republican? Just vote for the democrat candidate and get it over with.

Posted by: ba on February 14, 2007 04:11 PM
25. "Sanctuary city?" What crap. You're referring to an executive order first issued by ED KOCH in the 1980s that ordered the city's police officers not to ask people about their immigration status. The purpose of this was to make sure that illegals come forward with crime information and not worry about being arrested because of their status. Rudy, to be sure, reissued the E.O., but I think this can hardly be characterized as an INCENTIVE for illegals to come to NYC. It supposed to remove a disincentive for illegals to report crimes. And reducing crime is what Rudy was all about as mayor.

At any rate, isn't it the job of the U.S. government to enforce immigration laws, not the mayor or police of New York City? That's what Rudy's promised to do as President. He'd build a fence across the Mexican border and require the Americanization of anybody who wants to legally immigrant--including, especially, requiring immigrants to learn English.

Posted by: DJ on February 14, 2007 04:37 PM
26. I feel these polls are interesting at best, but let's look at this from a reality point of view though. It is still pretty early on and name recognition is going to favor Rudy over all the other candidates except for McCain. Of course McCain is his own worst enemy when it comes to trying to get the conservative vote. I think a great ticket would be Rudy/Mitt, Mitt/Rudy, Rudy/Newt or Mitt/Newt. I would happily vote for any one of these combinations. As for Hilary or Obama I would be willing to bet that if Hilary even thinks she has the slightest chance of loosing, she will pull out the big guns of the Clinton war room and just utterly destroy Obama. Last but not least, Cato at #20 it is not a lame excuse for Rudy not to run against Hilary in this past election due to his knowledge that he will be running for president. This is actually a smart move politically. He can claim that he does not run for election for one job just to run for election to a different position less than a year into that new term. He can paint Hilary as someone who does not want to finish up her commitment to the people of New York.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 14, 2007 04:44 PM
27. Hey DJ vote for Rudy if you want to. I don't support liberal republicans. If you want more government and less freedom from the party that used to represent conservative values, that's your call.

Posted by: ba on February 14, 2007 05:10 PM
28. DJ - Very good points. You should send your resume to the Giuliani folks -- you'd do well on his press team. I've been making small donations to McCain, but now I'm leaning more towards Rudy. If you're obsessed with abortion and hating on gays, then obviously Rudy isn't your candidate. But don't lament the GOP's slide to the left. It's America that's moving past these divisive fringe issues.

Posted by: AD on February 14, 2007 09:41 PM
29. Nobody rational is afraid of Rudy, and I for one would be ecstatic to see him replace nucularnucularnucular. What a welcome change--a President who can think on his feet.

I'm afraid for his sake that the Deliverance wing of the G.O.P won't tolerate him. In addition to guns, gays, and choice, please remember that he changed his registration one day before his primary.

Let's hope there isn't too much scorched earth during the primary.

Posted by: Jim on February 14, 2007 10:32 PM
30. Jim, but please leave the blowtorch at home.

Posted by: swatter on February 15, 2007 06:33 AM
31. Rudy ain't gonna win because the religious loons in the South will never go for him. Face it, it's a Gingrich / Clinton battle. Gingrich is the only one with balls enough to represent the most extreme wing of the GOP while placating the centrists.

Posted by: Cato on February 15, 2007 09:20 AM
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