April 30, 2007
It's in the P-I

Today's Seattle Post-Intelligencer editorializes on the state Supreme Court ruling upholding John Carlson and Kirby Wilbur's right to advocate for initiatives on the radio:

they have the right to talk (and even be activists), but is that a fair use of the public's resource? We think opinion journalism is a high calling and with that comes the responsibility to set high standards. We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves, or even the printed pages, should become directly invested in causes they comment about.
Opinion journalism is a high calling, but no more so than for any other citizen to engage in political expression or activism. The main differences between P-I editorialists and other citizens with political opinions is that the former seem more self-important than most other people, and because opinion writing is their only job, they have a more limited view of the world.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 30, 2007 10:22 AM | Email This
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1. It's the P-I! What do you want?

"Borrow the public airwaves?" Isn't the P-I delivered via the use of public streets? What's good for the goose? I know the airwaves are regulated (another topic for another time), but isn't the basic point the same?

Typically, the P-I objects less that something is said and more that it's not said to the P-I's liking.

William Randolph Hearst...where are you now that we need you???

The Piper

Posted by: Piper Scott on April 30, 2007 11:23 AM
2. I'm waiting for the lawsuits against all these cities who jumped into this mess.

Go John & Wilbur.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on April 30, 2007 11:28 AM
3. I know that many can't stand Drudge, but he wrote an excellent expose of the interrelationships between the media, government, and academia. For these folks, the phrase you will never eat lunch in this town again or be invited to A list parties strikes real terror. At this point, much of the lamestream print media and alphabet networks is populated by secular progressive types who think there is not much worthy between the two coasts and that people of faith are knunckle dragging idiots. I don't necessarily agree with Carlson or Wilbur, but they have as much right to pontificate as Balter and Connelly.
Too bad the education system doesn't teach most kids how to think critically, look for facts, and distinguish a fact-based article from an opinion piece. There is plenty of trash on all sides of the political spectrum.

Posted by: WVH on April 30, 2007 11:29 AM
4. So, we narrowly missed losing free speech forever (had the courts opinion stood, we would have lost it through reinterpretation along with the rest of the first amendment which has already been reinterpreted into irrelevancy), and the PI doesn't like it.

Figures. Why do they call these people "liberals" anyway? John Stuart Mill is no doubt spinning in his grave over some of the positions that pass for "liberal" these days.

Posted by: bfr on April 30, 2007 11:44 AM
5. I can sum up my response to this load of crap from the left with three letters - N P R

Posted by: JDH on April 30, 2007 12:08 PM
6. We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves,

They didn't "barrow" the public airwaves. They paid the FCC for the right to use them via their license. It's no different then getting a permit to use a public street for a protest or rally supporting whatever viewpoint one has.

Talk about narrow minded. What a bunch of buffoons.

Posted by: Mike H on April 30, 2007 12:11 PM
7. The P.I.'s only reason for being against this ruling is because it infringes on what they believe to be "their" turf. They want to be the exclusive arbiters of public policy. Nothing more, nothing less. Any other justification they apply to print for public consumption is window dressing.

The P.I. is as morally bankrupt as they come.

Posted by: G Jiggy on April 30, 2007 01:02 PM
8. We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves

How does the PI deliver its papers? Do they "borrow" the public roadways?

Federal licensing for the public airwaves contains hundreds of regulations. Violation of these regulations can end up with a heavy fine or a suspension of your license.

How many Federal regulations apply to newspaper publishing? Can the Federal government suspend the ability of a newpaper to distribute their point of view?

Who is "the press"? Weren't they commentators, gossips, nosy neighbors, government watchdogs, etc.? What made them and their "voice" more important than any other citizens? Just because they had access to a printing press - an ability to put their opinions out to a large body of people at one time? Isn't this what "common" people did from soap boxes in parks?

The method of delivery shouldn't really matter - print, radio, television, in person - we ALL have the right to voice our opinions and peacefully redress our grievances to the government. These rights did not have a clause limiting them to only the "press". I believe that the "press" mentioned in the Constitution had more to do with the method of delivery rather than the "who".

In this case, the method was an electronic soapbox - period. Using governmental force to silence dissent (this was an actual case, not some hypothetical "what if" that the libs always are yeling about - in the press) isn't right and the PI is wrong for not recognizing that.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on April 30, 2007 01:15 PM
9. To #3

If you believe that the major national tv media don't care about what goes on outside the major cities, you aren't just paranoid.

Any honest television media person will tell you that they know there are millions of people outside the U.S. cities, but that they can't really "monetize" them because of their diverse demographic and non-centralized geographic location and they they just don't care about them.

This is one of the reasons why Fox News has higher viewership than CNN, but tends to make a lot less on commercials. They just don't pull in the people in the cities the way CNN does.

Posted by: johnny on April 30, 2007 01:26 PM
10. What about all those secular/atheist libertarians and conservatives?

Posted by: H Moul on April 30, 2007 01:54 PM
11. Perhaps the P-I should be reminded that the Sedition Act was passed as an attempt to shut down journalists who were "directly invested in causes they comment about." Federalists locked up Democratic-Republican newspapermen.

Not that this amounts to the same thing, of course; the point is merely that we shouldn't go about picking and choosing what the press covers.

Posted by: pudge on April 30, 2007 02:18 PM
12. "We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves, or even the printed pages, should become directly invested in causes they comment about."

Breathtaking hypocrisy. The PI (and the Times for that matter) are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by local governments like Seattle MOnorail and Sound Transit. Sure as shootin' they editorialize how great those agencies are. Before the PI next editorializes about Sound Transit, it ought to disclose how much has been "invested" in it by ST.

Posted by: they're kidding, right? on April 30, 2007 02:55 PM
13. The PI is a rag for the left, and I'm still chuckling over their take on this.

Better get used to it PI, it was unamimous.

Posted by: GS on April 30, 2007 02:57 PM
14. This from the unofficial communications arm of the Democrat Party in Washington!!! Talk about "directly invested".

Posted by: John425 on April 30, 2007 03:19 PM
15. The Dying unofficial communications arm of the Democratic party in Washington.

Hows their circulation doing these days?

Posted by: GS on April 30, 2007 03:49 PM
16. I'm glad I actually read the editorial. Somebody conveniently left off their last section, which put the whole idea into perspective.

But why would I expect that here? Apparently it's more fun to leave off certain parts and then pontificate about what you copied.

Keep up the drooling, fellers.

Posted by: Literate on April 30, 2007 05:03 PM
17. Literate: I am not so sure you can read. If you can, maybe you can't write? You say someone "left off their last section," when it is the last section that was directly quoted in the post.

Posted by: pudge on April 30, 2007 05:08 PM
18. Those opinion editorials in the newspapers are so last century, no wonder all the newspapers are losing readership. Most people don't even bother to buy a newspaper anymore, so the opinions of the papers aren't even relevant to the great majority of people.

It was a good decision by the Supreme Court & we can consider the Puget Sound area lucky to have such good people commenting & giving their opinions.

Posted by: Clean House on April 30, 2007 05:55 PM
19. The P-I, the voice of the unhinged leftists and SP's (secular progressive (aka retrogressives)). Cheers to the WSSC for making a responsible ruling for a change.

The P-I can't handle that, because they want to see this country metasticize into a politically correct socialist republic and bring back communism. Dwight Pelz and George Soros would be proud and Soros probably will eventually fund this dead fish wrapper to keep it in circulation.

Posted by: KS on April 30, 2007 07:38 PM
20. Nope.
Read the actual editorial.

Posted by: MoreLiterateThanPudge on April 30, 2007 07:54 PM
21. Mike H @6, I got to thinking about your post and the fees/license process for using the airwaves. I see it as a tax for one of your freedoms. Much like when the idiots in Olympia upped the fee for a CWP but that money was to be used for more prison space. Hmmm, a fee to use the second. How about a super taxation for using the forest product to print your editorial?? Tax the first....Seems only fair.

Posted by: PC on April 30, 2007 08:06 PM
22. Literate: you said "Somebody conveniently left off their last section." The last section was quoted. I read the editorial. It ends with, "We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves, or even the printed pages, should become directly invested in causes they comment about." That section is quoted above.

Shrug.

Posted by: pudge on April 30, 2007 08:49 PM
23. I take them at their word, "We don't think those who borrow the public airwaves, or even the printed pages, should become directly invested in causes they comment about."

So what special edition of apologies, investigations will the PI offer us; 20+ yrs of the PI being heavily invested in what they print. Will they "out" all their reporters and columnists who work for left wing causes, whose partners and spouses get money or perks from the issues the paper touches on?

how about joni and all the other paid propagandists? joel? arrghh..

Posted by: righton on May 1, 2007 07:07 AM
24. # 5: "I can sum up my response to this load of crap from the left with three letters - N P R"

Has anyone here suffered the recent indignity of listening to NPR's Weekend Sedition/Sunday? Now, more than ever, it's 2 hours of taxpayer-supported propaganda for the Left-Coast Left.

In the Duke rapeless case, for example, NPR gave about ten seconds to the exonerated rapists, and gave 2 or 3 minutes to excoriations of white privilege that Duke represented. Then NPR gave a groveling retrospective rave to 88 tolerant, tenured-radical profs who publicly condemned or convicted (without the inconvenience of proof) their wicked students who had the bad manners to be born white.

(Still, ten honest seconds of reportage is more than the Dukes got from U Dub's Daily. The Daily has only one sane writer, and she was being busily bashed for writing a column about God and Virginia Tech.)

Then there was NPR/Sunday re the 10th anniversary of the Northern Plains flood, a bad but limited disaster in which no lives were lost. Many tax-subsidized NPR minutes drove home the take-home message that Bill Clinton (taking time out from making DNA deposits under the desk) and Bill Clinton's FEMA knew how to manage a disaster, and how Bill & Bill's FEMA are remembered now in the upper-Midwest with passionate fondness. Hell, they even have a James Lee Witt Day.

Nevermind that Clinton's crisis management consisted of making noises, or that his crisis comprised two medium-small towns. NPR's point was to blur distinctions: Clinton's flood, good. Bush's Katrina, baaaaaaaaad.


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