May 30, 2007
King County Elections E-mails (XVI): "Let's all pray for wide margins of victory"

As everybody with a clue has come to realize, but that few public officials will admit openly, King County Elections is simply not capable of making an accurate determination in a close contest. We can have confidence in a statewide margin as wide as, say, Rob McKenna over Deborah Senn, or John Kerry over George W. Bush, but when the vote is really close? Never mind the 2004 governor's race. Did Frank LaSalata really get more valid votes than Mary Ottinger in last September's primary? (hint: the final margin of "victory" was 27 votes and 62 fewer pieces of paper were counted in the recount than in the first certified count).

And even the folks at King County Elections seem to lack confidence in their abilities.

In this Oct. 19 e-mail to a newspaper reporter, spokeswoman Bobbie Egan wrote:

"Let's all pray for wide margins of victory -- don't quote me".
Again on Oct. 31 Egan e-mailed her colleagues:
I'm praying for wide margins of victory myself!
This isn't necessarily partisan bias. On Nov. 9 Egan e-mailed her management this update about Dave Reichert's growing lead in the congressional race:
wider margin of victory... praying for no recount
Of course if these people were confident of their ability to judge a close race and withstand the attendant scrutiny, they'd be expressing confidence in their accuracy instead of praying for wide margins.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at May 30, 2007 12:15 PM | Email This
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1. Are government employees allowed to pray?

Posted by: Sniping on May 30, 2007 12:07 PM
2. 1--right--
can't say Merry Christmas at work, we take down public displays like 10 Commandments, remove crosses from CA city seals & crosses at war memorials...
but dang, do we quickly find religion & drop to our knees for votes!! diversity/sensitivity/inclusion question: will prayer rugs be supplied?

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on May 30, 2007 12:25 PM
3. Does that make democrat victory G_d's will?

Posted by: bfr on May 30, 2007 12:28 PM
4. I'll pray that they really do find my other 2 missing ballots that I never got! I will bet they were for the party I didn't vote for! Only the one I finally got in was lost!

Pray?! They will make a concession for their own reasons! Maybe even allow a prayer room for the terrorists to boot!!!

Posted by: dcat on May 30, 2007 12:39 PM
5. religion theme? praying? biblical references? we already live in a Simsdom & Gregrorrah. problem is, the GOOD are punished with tax plagues of all sorts.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on May 30, 2007 01:12 PM
6. Atheists for christmas....

While I will readily condemn overzealous PC efforts to remove any and all public expressions of religion, the government shouldn't be endorsing or footing the bill for any religion either....

Posted by: H Moul on May 30, 2007 01:18 PM
7. Imagine if Boeing just prayed that the 7E7 flew instead of doing a great job of designing the plane to work correctly.

What's needed is new process and new leadership at KCREALS so that close elections are deterministic. It's really not that hard, but KCREALS seems to be enamored with using the indeterminable nature of their election results as a feature when needed.

Democrats do that kind of thing all the time. They know that Social Security is gonna collapse, but praying that it won't is buying them a lot of senior votes in the short term. And they also know that affirmative action doesn't really advance the cause of minorities, it just artificially subsidizes the few, but again, it sure buys a lot of sympathy votes.

And who says the left aren't faithful?

Posted by: Jeff B. on May 30, 2007 02:31 PM
8. One thing for sure, the turnover in the Elections Department is no guarantee of success. These problems have been brewing for quite some time and are not isolated to a bad apple or two.

There is serious rot here and we need to see some more firings, even if there is no evidence of election fraud.

Personally, I believe Maleng's assigned attorney to Elections should be included pretty much automatically.

But then again, how do we know the elections at the Bar itself are up and up? Or for that matter, at the lawyer controlled Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Douglas Tooley on May 30, 2007 07:28 PM
9. One thing for sure, the turnover in the Elections Department is no guarantee of success. These problems have been brewing for quite some time and are not isolated to a bad apple or two.

There is serious rot here and we need to see some more firings, even if there is no evidence of election fraud.

Personally, I believe Maleng's assigned attorney to Elections should be included pretty much automatically.

But then again, how do we know the elections at the Bar itself are up and up? Or for that matter, at the lawyer controlled Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Douglas Tooley on May 30, 2007 07:28 PM
10. The people deserve better. Elect the auditor.

Posted by: Michele on May 30, 2007 08:46 PM
11. It's a reflection of how unqualified the department really is. Wasn't Logan a shoe salesman prior to being appointed the director?

Posted by: Organization Man on May 30, 2007 09:35 PM
12. I want to know if the person that first said "you get what you pay for" had government folk in mind.

Posted by: PC on May 30, 2007 09:55 PM
13. For a public employee, she sure prays a lot at work. Where's the outrage?? Oh, maybe she's muslim, then I guess it would be OK.

Posted by: eric on May 31, 2007 08:07 AM
14. Does it really make a difference to have a wide margin of victory when KC, who reports last in state-wide elections, seems to "find" ballots at the last minute?

Posted by: Susu on May 31, 2007 09:22 AM
15. Michele, electing a "county auditor" does't guarrantee an honest or proficient person in the job. Look at the county's history before the charter was enacted and see why the charter drafters eliminated most of the elected positions in the first place.

Electing the Auditor only guarrantees that you can change Auditors evety four years. The avaerage stay of the Election Managers over the last ten years has been less than three years.

Posted by: Desert Rat on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM
16. Fine, Desert Rat. How about instead of "praying for wide margins" we just "pray for clean elections period." :-)

Posted by: Michele on May 31, 2007 12:00 PM
17. Posted by Desert Rat "The avaerage stay of the Election Managers over the last ten years has been less than three years."

Do you see a pattern?? If they only last 3 years, why not elect a person who can last 4, and if they are doing a good job, elect them for another 4.

I read the job description for the position, and not just any tom dick or harry can do what they are requiring. BUT if there is a person out there with management experience, who can Make Sh*t happen with the clones that have entrenched themselves within KCRE, I say let em take a stab at it. At least if they make mistakes, they are real mistakes, not a coverup.

Posted by: Chris on May 31, 2007 12:35 PM
18. Simple soulution if a election count is fouled up FIRE all personel involved,Because all goverment employees fear being pulled off of the public teat the counting will be quite accurate no misterious boxes of votes will show up if they know the door awaits them who screw up.

Posted by: egrheaultjr on May 31, 2007 08:26 PM
19. Chris, I like your comments. The real kety is having an experieced elections superintendent. That's the person who is the person who actually runs the elections.

The Manager, or Auditor as the case might be, must be a good manager and administrator, one who can get the most of his staff, and be able to replace the ones who do not stand up to the criteria. (Often easier said then done since most are both union employees and career service).

It helps if the Manager/Auditor is non-partisan but it is not necessary as is the case in 37 of the other counties. But the Elections Superintendent must be scrupulously non-partisan since this is the person is is actually supervising the counts. It was a career service position which meant it had to go through the testing and review that such a position is required to have. Now that the Council has decided to have a say by confirming such hirings, it becomes more of a political appointment as the Manager is now.

Posted by: Desert Rat on June 1, 2007 09:25 AM
20. Just a note on The salad....La Salada has been casting around trying to find a place he could win a judgeship....he tried San Juan County last time, and was found guilty in the local newspapers of unethical conduct because he supported a democrat for another office.
Good luck to which ever district has him now...bought and paid for by leftists.

Posted by: diedre on June 4, 2007 03:19 PM
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