August 14, 2007
Latest statewide Elway Poll

Elway found that Mrs. Gregoire isn't very popular:

Gregoire's positive ratings increased through her first two years and stayed the same throughout her third year. Her negative ratings are virtually the same now as they were the day she took office but lower than they were last year...

Democrats rated her performance as positive by a 72 to 25% margin. Republicans were a mirror image of that with a 71-28% negative assessment. Independents were 51% negative and 46% positive.

Gregoire should want to improve her standing with independents.

One way she could do that would be to embrace Tim Eyman and I-960, the Taxpayer Protection Initiative:

Seven out of 10 of those surveyed said they support the idea of requiring a two-thirds majority of the Legisalture or a public vote to raise any state taxes.

Pollster Stuart Elway said 50 percent of Democrats were inclined to vote for I-960, as were 76 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Independents.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at August 14, 2007 10:05 AM | Email This
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1. And here's the kicker: Where is WA on the Laffer Curve, anyway? There's an excellent chance that the stimulatory effect of lower tax rates may well increase total state revenue (depending on which tax is lowered, of course -- some are on fairly inelastic curves). Taking the Dems at face value, they want: 1) to make the voters happy; and 2) to increase revenue for government programs. And they dig in their heels in such ways as this to frustrate both ostensible goals.

Posted by: TB on August 14, 2007 10:52 AM
2. She might as well ride the Progressive plane right down and into the ground because she is a one-termer. If ever there has been a boring, blend in with the wallpaper, negative from the outset governor, it is Gregoire. At this point, no matter what she does it won't be enough to help her in 2008.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 14, 2007 11:52 AM
3. Washington voters have not forgotten. They still believe Dino actually won in '04 and do not like that she got herself there through what her friends down at KCE pulled. (oh come now---Stefan has revealed enough slop and wrongdoing to show that her 'win' wasn't really a win, when you factor out all the illegal votes that were counted in a heavily democrat county). Fatal pends, double and dead voters, more votes than voters, hundreds of unchecked provisionals, military who didn't get ballots in time, felon voters, and more.

Posted by: Michele on August 14, 2007 12:02 PM
4. I think you'll be able to make a drinking game out of the number of times she mentions Forbes business rankings in the 2008 election season. Hopefully, whoever runs against her will be smart enough to point out that she did nothing to contribute to it.

Posted by: Palouse on August 14, 2007 12:40 PM
5. She also looks and acts like Hillary a bit. And a lot of the same shrill tone. That's going to cost her too. Hillary has one of the most negative identifications of any candidate within much of the US regarding the Presidential election. Many Dem strategists are scratching their heads trying to figure out what to do as the Clinton Machine steam rolls over Obama, yet also carries with it so much baggage and divisiveness, that many other candidates might be brought down by Hillary and her husband's past.

This will make for some great political theatre in 2008. Most likely, the Dems will screw this up as they always do. Gore's sighs, Kerry's haughtiness, Hillary's negative image/ baggage. They sure know how to pick winners.

Buh bye Gregoire.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 14, 2007 12:48 PM
6. You notice the MO of the ladies, too, eh? Clinton and Gregoire have the schtick down, but Pelosi seems to be having trouble.

Posted by: swatter on August 14, 2007 02:30 PM
7. Isn't it just amazing how the lefty's love to pound that GW really lost (and stole the election) in both 2000 and 04, but turn a deaf ear and start loudly humming to themselves when any one brings up the queens shady "win"?

I can not come up with enough adjectives (look it up, lefty's) to describe their hypocrisy and duplicitousness.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on August 14, 2007 09:08 PM
8. Isn't it just amazing how the wingnuts love to pound that Gregoire really lost (and stole the election) in 2006, but turn a deaf ear and start loudly humming to themselves when any one brings up Dubya'a shady "win"?

I can not come up with enough adjectives (look it up, wingnuts) to describe their hypocrisy and duplicitousness.

Posted by: Stan on August 14, 2007 09:39 PM
9. Stefan

sure ans she wil likley get 3 or 4 democtatic votes of she does that,

Posted by: SeattleJew on August 14, 2007 10:59 PM
10. Isn't it just amazing how the wingnuts love to pound that Gregoire really lost (and stole the election) in 2006, but turn a deaf ear and start loudly humming to themselves when any one brings up Dubya'a shady "win"?

How many times was Bush behind Gore in the counts in Florida, and kept insisting on counting and counting until he came out ahead? How many times did Republicans in Florida "find" so-called "lost" ballots in a heavily Republican county, and add those into the vote total in an untracked manner so that there were "just enough" votes for Bush to win? Contrast that with SayWA in '04. How many times did heavily 'Rat King County "just happen" to "find" so-called "lost ballots", just enough to tip the balance to Fraudoire? I'm sure it was just an amazingingly innocent coinky-dink that a rabid 'Rat activist "just happened" to notice that his name was on a list of supposedly improperly rejected ballots? Just amazing coinky-dinks, I'll tell you.

Posted by: Interested Observer on August 15, 2007 07:53 AM
11. Gore was behind in Florida after the initial count.
Gore was behind in Florida after the machine recount.
Gore was behind in Florida after the New York Times and the Miami Herald conducted their own counts after the 7-2 and 5-4 SCOTUS decisions. Gore lost Florida. Each and every time.

Of course, if Gore would've simply won his freaking home state of Tennessee, he wouldn't have needed Florida.

Conversely, Rossi was ahead after the initial count.
Rossi was ahead after the machine recount.
Rossi lost after three different sets of unsecure ballots were found (one batch exceeding 10,000 ballots).
Rossi also lost as a result of King County counting approximately 1,800 ballots more than the number of people who voted.

But yes. The situations are identical. /sarc

Posted by: jimg on August 15, 2007 08:08 AM
12. No-one politically aware enough to have an opinion about Gregoire who could ever approve of her could possibly approve of Tim Eyman... not even intelligent Republicans approve of Tim Eyman, unless they have a vested interest in the outcome of his ballot issues. I chalk up Eyman's support to 80% idiots, 20% rich people with no sense of social responsibility. Half the Idiots will support Gregoire anyway, and the rich jerks will never support her. So she can just stay put and sit pretty.

In case my comments leave this uncelar, I do hate Gregoire and Chopp and the rest of our state's numbnuts Democratic leaders, just more ambivalently than my hatred of Eyman, which knows no bounds.

Finally, the governer's race was a damn tie. There would have been no legitemacy to either candidate winning. A more civilized country would have probably had a run-off. So quit whining. It was random chance who won. The mere fact that a Democrat running for statewide office almost lost is a pretty shocking developement.

Posted by: john on August 15, 2007 02:32 PM
13. Nice to find so much hate here among the 'sound.' A few points:
1 - Unlike the 2004 Gregoire/Rossi recount, the 2000 Florida recount was pre-empted. It was never completed due to several GOP dirty tricks, including rent-a-mobs and SCOTUS judicial activism. Do your homework.
2 - The 2004 recount/election was completed as required by law, and certified by the GOP SoS. Then, and only then, was it challenged in court by Rossi. His handpicked judge gutted the GOP case like a sockeye salmon. Memories a little foggy about that frivolous lawsuit?
3 - I will grant that Gregoire was a robotic campaigner, but as a governor she has been a pleasant surprise. Health care for kids, better funding for schools, fixing roads broken by the Eyman cartab measure, launching a Sound cleanup, and starting a rainy day fund are a solid record of achievement.
4 - Gregoire is 'shrill'? Bet you can't prove it. I can sure prove that Rossi is a whiny sore loser though.
5 - The Laffer Curve is a fraud. Fact: Both Reagan & GWB tax cuts put huge holes in the federal budget. Oh yeah, and it's also been debunked. Wecome to reality.

Posted by: Scott on August 15, 2007 02:34 PM
14. John (#12): "A more civilized country would have probably had a run-off. "

Exactly! That was the whole point of the Chelan County lawsuit. To have a run-off!

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on August 15, 2007 03:07 PM
15. Leave it to a liberal to label opposing opinions as 'hate'. Trust me. If I wanted to go 'hate' on you, there would be no question. And then you could label it as such.

1 - Unlike the 2004 Gregoire/Rossi recount, the 2000 Florida recount was pre-empted. It was never completed due to several GOP dirty tricks, including rent-a-mobs and SCOTUS judicial activism. Do your homework.

You do your own homework. The Florida recount wasn't a recount. It was a Gore hand-picked selection of heavy D counties only. And that was after the initial count and the machine recount that gave Bush the victory. The SCOTUS 'activism' as you call it was a 7-2 rebuke of the Florida Supreme Court's sham rulings on whether or not each ballot was being treated equally ... which they were not. If they were, EVERY county should've undergone the microscopic review as was being done in the D counties. You can continue to cry about the 5-4 ruling stopping the count, but the end results as conducted by the Times and the Herald revealed Bush to be the winner.

And again I'll point out a fact that every Gore supporter refuses to accept - if Al Gore - a name bigger than any other in Tennessee politics would've simply won his home state, you wouldn't know Kathleen Harris from Kathleen Turner. I think that speaks more than anything else about what kind of candidate you put forward.

The 2004 recount/election was completed as required by law, and certified by the GOP SoS. Then, and only then, was it challenged in court by Rossi. His handpicked judge gutted the GOP case like a sockeye salmon. Memories a little foggy about that frivolous lawsuit?

Nobody is questioning that the recount was 'completed' by law. What some are questioning is the miracle discovery of thousands of unsecure ballots.

And again you show your ignorance with your statement about Rossi's 'handpicked judge'. Judge John Bridges was not handpicked. Judge T.J. 'Chip' Small was the original judge. He recused himself because he is and was active in GOP circles in Chelan County. This was done specifically to avoid the appearance that you continue to harp on ... facts be damned. Judge John Bridges plays (and played) it straight down the middle, and I while I didn't agree with the outcome, I never questioned his fairness.

I can quibble about the tactics used by Rossi's legal team, but the suit was thrown out more for a lack of defining statute on the books than any 'clean bill of health' given to the outcome of the election.

So again, in both states - the GOP candidate had the lead after the initial count. The GOP candidate had the lead after the machine recount. But in only one state were enough ballots found in order to overturn the outcome.

Posted by: jimg on August 15, 2007 04:41 PM
16. Fact: Both Reagan & GWB tax cuts put huge holes in the federal budget.

Fact: Uncontrolled spending by the Dem Congress (Reagan) and GOP Congress (Bush II) put 'holes' in the federal budget. Even Keynesian economists agree that reductions in taxes increase revenue. Unless, of course, you put JFK's economic advisors in the same boat as Ronny's and W's.

Posted by: jimg on August 15, 2007 04:46 PM
17. The Florida recount wasn't a recount. It was a Gore hand-picked selection of heavy D counties only.

It was a recount, but not a statewide one. Florida law provided for recounts on a county-requested basis. Those were the counties with known issues. Forget the butterfly ballot?

The SCOTUS 'activism' as you call it was a 7-2 rebuke of the Florida Supreme Court's sham rulings on whether or not each ballot was being treated equally

No, the activism was (1) to intervene in a case that was still being handled by state courts and then (2) to say "Don't use this decision as a precedent for any other case." Transparent activism. If there was a 'sham,' it was the Florida law that based recounts per county.

if Al Gore - a name bigger than any other in Tennessee politics would've simply won his home state, you wouldn't know Kathleen Harris from Kathleen Turner.

I agree Gore lost his home state. That is off topic if we are comparing Florida and Washington recounts.

Judge John Bridges was not handpicked. Judge T.J. 'Chip' Small was the original judge.

Thank you for the correction. Nevertheless (1) GOP SoS certified the results, (2) Rossi went judge shopping and, (3) Judge Bridges gutted his non-fact-based case from stem to stern.

So again, in both states - the GOP candidate had the lead after the initial count. The GOP candidate had the lead after the machine recount.

Agreed. However, by law, in neither state is the machine recount the end of the process.

As a resident of Washington State I am PROUD -- and you should be too -- that the election process worked as mandated by law. This includes legal challenges during the counting and challenges after the counting. What we saw here in 2004 was a model of integrity BY FAR compared to the disgrace in Florida.

Now, Jim G, could GWB have won if the hand recount was completed in Florida? You bet. But, the NY Times notwithstanding, we will never really know because the process was short circuited. And that is a loss for all US citizens.

Fact: Uncontrolled spending by the Dem Congress (Reagan) and GOP Congress (Bush II) put 'holes' in the federal budget.

Oh c'mon. Reagan ran up more debt than all 39 of his predecessors combined. And that includes FDR & LBJ, who also had Dem Congresses. The tax cuts belonged to Reagan & GWB. Don't deny them the glory of their deficits too. ;-)

Posted by: Scott on August 15, 2007 06:41 PM
18. Rossi is not a conservative - he's more of a moderate Republican. Case & Point- he is somewhat squishy on enforcing illegal immigration laws. He was grilled by Lars Larson and did not act like the issue was of paramount proportion. He is certainly better than the sitting Governor of King County on that issue, but is not a big crusader on protecting our borders like say a Duncan Hunter.

#12, #14 - As for the Chelan county trial on the 2004 election, there should have been a runoff and there could have been if they had done what the Democrats did - canvassed and returned at least 129 more signed affadavits of felons who voted for Gregoire.

Posted by: KS on August 15, 2007 09:05 PM
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