November 02, 2007
KUOW's Gang Of Four Gets Another Republican Sex Scandal

And they were delighted.  In my description of these four journalists, I say that "nothing delights them more than a Republican sex scandal".  Today's Weekday Program illustrated that point, one more time.

Today, there was more good news on the economy.  And during the last week, we got more reasons to think that we are winning in Iraq.  Did the gang choose to discuss either of those big stories?  No, and no.  Instead, host Steve Scher chose to begin the program with the sad story of Richard Curtis, which you can read about here, if you really want to.  Is Curtis important?  No.  Danny Westneat of the Seattle Times admitted he had never heard of the legislator.  (I know way more about politics than Westneat does, and I hadn't heard of Curtis, either.)

So, why is the gang so fascinated by these stories?  For D. Parvaz of the Seattle PI, it's mostly a matter of partisanship; she hopes that these stories will hurt the Republicans.  Westneat appears to hope that these stories will force a change in the political issues, away from traditional moral issues, to be blunt.  Knute Berger of Crosscut seemed to share both views.  (Unfortunately, no one asked Berger about the pages of ads for prostitutes in his former publication, the Seattle Weekly.  That might have added something interesting to the discussion.)

And Steve Scher?  Why is he fascinated by these stories, so fascinated that I sometimes half expect him to . . . well, I try to keep this site suitable for sprogs, so I won't say what I expect him to do on the air as he gets excited over these stories.  But anyone above the age of fourteen should be able to figure it out.  I don't know why he gets so excited, but one caller gave me an idea for a possible explanation.  The caller said, citing a study, that repressed homosexuals are the most likely to have "homophobic" views.  (I have no idea whether the study is correct, though I have seen a number of references to it.)  Using the same kind of reasoning, is it possible that Scher is a repressed Republican, that he is so excited by these scandals because, whether he knows it or not, he really wants to be a Republican?  Possibly.  And it is a fact that he would be wise to repress any Republican leanings as long as he works for KUOW, an organization that is not famous for its political diversity.

From there, the gang turned to global warming and to the Seattle mayor's posturing on the subject.   As usual in such discussions, the gang's near innumeracy and weakness on scientific questions kept the discussion from being very informative.  They were partly saved by one caller who pointed out something they had ignored to that point, that nuclear power could reduce the risks from global warming.  Although they didn't quarrel with his argument, they didn't integrate it into the discussion either.  And just minutes later, they took a call from a woman who claimed we were running out of uranium.  (I assume, from the call, that she had never heard of breeder reactors, or thorium.)

Near the end of the program, Scher gave Parvaz a chance to explain her amazing blog entry, in which she said she could "understand" why someone might want to burn that symbol of oppression, San Francisco's Grace Cathedral.  I had been hoping that Scher would give her a chance to explain (and apologize), and expected that she would be able to come up with some explanation for what she wrote, after all the attention her blog entry has gotten.  She hasn't, at least not one she wanted to share with the listeners.  She seemed a bit surprised (and pleased) by the attention, but she never explained what she had written, never forthrightly said that she did not want Christian churches burned, even if those near by were not hurt.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(Today's grade is 0.06.  The gang was saved from a 0.0 by the caller who favored nuclear power and by Berger's mention of the Clinton and Hart sex scandals.  (Believe it or not, the gang is capable of discussing political sex scandals for an entire program without mentioning those two "gentlemen" and their many sex scandals.  And I can't recall if they have ever discussed any of the Kennedy sex scandals.)

I plan to do these posts about once a month, even though the gang meets every Friday.  But there was one incident a week or so ago that deserves mention, even though I didn't have time to do a post on that show.  The gang was discussing policy toward Iran and Parvaz (whose father is Iranian) made the most remarkable claim.  The Iranian regime, she said, had tried hard to get an accommodation with the US.  This is such an agreeable idea that, for a moment or two, I hoped that she was right.  But I am not as skilled at ignoring the facts as she is, so I had to give up the idea.)

Posted by Jim Miller at November 02, 2007 02:07 PM | Email This
Comments
1. There is an election coming up and this is all they talk about?

Thanks Jim for the report.

Posted by: swatter on November 2, 2007 02:23 PM
2. jim: you are sooooo behind the times. we've already accomplished our mission in iraq and have been winning since day 1. what makes you think otherwise?

as for being fixated on sex scandals, i think that's a relatively new phenomenon owing to the liberal press. i mean, its not like the liberal press documented the starr investigation of clinton in meticulous detail like they do these republican sex scandals. r's just get such a raw deal. it's not fair. i think i'll take my ball home now.

Posted by: dinesh on November 2, 2007 02:28 PM
3. Republican sex scandals sell because the GOP is the self styled conservative family values party. When an elected GOP member is outed and shown to be living a lifestyle completely contrary to the party line, people are going to "point and laugh" at them.

Posted by: Anonymous on November 2, 2007 02:42 PM
4. I bet the Log Cabin Republicans really, really like to hear your comment anon.

Posted by: swatter on November 2, 2007 02:51 PM
5. Everyone loves it when hypocrites get caught (calling Ted Haggard). It doesn't matter if it's a Politician, a Catholic Priest, or Britney Spears. People lap it up.

BTW, are you not perpetuating the problem by posting it here? What was your motivation for posting this Jim?

Posted by: Cato on November 2, 2007 03:08 PM
6. Jim, your recaps of the Gang of Four are easily the best thing on Sound Politics these days. (and that includes anything that I've written here in a long time, if not longer than that).

If you can find it in your schedule to post these more than once per month, you will bring joy to thousands!

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on November 2, 2007 03:17 PM
7. I guess if Republicans are going to be the self-proclaimed party of values and constanty get on the self-righteous high-horse of morality, it shouldn't surprise them when they get dragged through the mud when they get caught with their pants down (literally) on weekly basis.

Maybe the lesson should be that conservatives should get back to actual 'conservative' principals and stop trying to cram evangelical morality down the throats of Americans.

Posted by: Splinter on November 2, 2007 03:35 PM
8. Splinter said"

"Maybe the lesson should be that conservatives should get back to actual 'conservative' principals and stop trying to cram evangelical morality down the throats of Americans."

That is the smartest thing anyone has said on this blog in a long time. The sooner you neo-cons Republicans realize that you have to clean up your own house before you can criticize others, the sooner you'll be getting on the road to recovery as a party. As it stands now, you guys and gals are gonna be on the outs for a decade or two before you can recover from GWB's ineptitude.

Posted by: Politically Incorrect on November 2, 2007 04:09 PM
9. Jim's post, great. Reading the bilious comments by the leftists here, priceless.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 2, 2007 04:40 PM
10. Comment 3 by anonymous: I guess if you say that it is newsworthy when a Republican shows no morals or fidelity and that it is not newsworthy when Democrats do the same, one must conclude that it is normal for democrats to have no morals or fidelity?

I doubt that myself. I just think the news media are mostly Democrats and give Democrats a pass while dumping on Republicans for the same type of behavior because they hate Republicans and want to destroy them politically.

Posted by: KW64 on November 2, 2007 04:48 PM
11. Yowser KW, a double body slam with a backward twist!!

Posted by: swatter on November 2, 2007 04:59 PM
12. And need I add, swatter,KW is right on the money.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 2, 2007 05:07 PM
13. Don't worry, in the war of pervert sex scandals- the GOP would have to go on perv-roids to catch up to democrats.

The only difference that matters is, the GOP constituents give a damn about integrity in their candidates.

Posted by: Andy on November 2, 2007 05:30 PM
14. BTW- wasn't there a big security hand off of one major province this past Monday....

I DIDN'T SEE IN ON ANY MAJOR NEWS OUTLET...just a breif one liner during the morning show on KVI.

Posted by: Andy on November 2, 2007 05:32 PM
15. MSNBC reported the handover of Karbala last Saturday, ABC on I think Tuesday reported it, LA Times last weekend, CNN on Sunday.

So, Andy, your point is what?

Posted by: BA on November 2, 2007 05:58 PM
16. Splinter, I guess that makes the Democrats the self-proclaimed party of no values. That fits pretty well. If in doubt, go read the comment threads at The Slog covering Curtis. It's hard to decipher if it is a bulletin board for a bath house, or a comment thread on politics.

Oh but wait, that's the Stranger in general, not a newspaper but a personal ad listing service.

Posted by: Jeff B. on November 2, 2007 07:55 PM
17. Oh and ditto what Stefan said. These posts on KUOW are great. It kind of reminds me of the Michael Medved show where they favor kook callers. Huge entertainment value. It's great watching a bunch of Lefty's exist inside their Blue Cocoon.

Posted by: Jeff B. on November 2, 2007 08:02 PM
18. What's the big deal?
The war's over pretty much.
The economy is magnificent.
All that's left is to finish purging sinners from the republican party.

Posted by: WVH on November 2, 2007 08:27 PM
19. What's the big deal?
The war's over pretty much.
The economy is magnificent.
All that's left is to finish purging sinners from the republican party.

Posted by: WVH on November 2, 2007 08:28 PM
20. And NPR covered the security hand over a few days ago. It's old news.

Posted by: Tom on November 2, 2007 08:42 PM
21. I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. In this case, it is not imitation, it is simply a weak attempt at sabotage from a scared weak mind whom I guess I intimidate. In any event, this is not my post:

What's the big deal?
The war's over pretty much.
The economy is magnificent.
All that's left is to finish purging sinners from the republican party.

Posted by: WVH on November 2, 2007 08:28 PM

For the record, I think there is a distinction between Curtis and the guy from Idaho and the Everett person. That is the issue of consent. Apparently, the second party in the Everett incident claims she was raped. The other situations appear to be consenual. How each party handles their own is up to them. Even when I disgree with people, I don't wish them harm except the poster who uses my moniker and has the
return of WVh@wvh.com in the e-mail line. You hate filled and hateful little jerk, I hope that your computer explodes. Until you post your bile again and I am forced to disavow your idiotic posts.

Posted by: WVH on November 2, 2007 09:41 PM
22. WVH: Not to worry. I don't think anyone here has to think "will the real WVH please stand up?" That's because because you just can't be counterfeited! Your poseur only rants, never backs anything up with logic or research. Truly a hate filled, very little jerk.

Posted by: katomar on November 3, 2007 09:22 AM
23. WVH, my guess is your imposter is the same loon posting as "Ceasar" on this thread: http://blog.usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=9542

The internet is a wonderful thing, but it is also as illustrative as a public bathroom. It demonstrates how many truly disgusting people we live among.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 3, 2007 09:24 AM
24. Perverts all through the rethug party. Child molestors too if you can handle the truth.
  
What would you do if:

Another country invaded your country based on lies.

if you were unemployed and meanwhile the foreigners who are occupying your country are making billions?

if you saw your family and friends being blown to hell?

if you didn't have running water and you only had electricity for a few hours a day?

if you had to wait in line for more than six hours to get gas?

if you walked out of your home and the smell of rotten corpses filled the air?

if at night you heard gun shots and bombs going off?

if you had to stop at checkpoints and be searched by foreign occupiers?

if the leader of those occupiers said that they aren't leaving until they're ready to leave?

Posted by: Rainlillie on November 3, 2007 11:13 AM
25. Gosh Rainlillie none of us have ever heard these commie kook fringe talking points before!

You forgot to add comments about how noble Palestinian suicide bombers are.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 3, 2007 11:25 AM
26. Republican Party officials, as well as fellow office holders and "insider" constituents, really do need to do a better job keeping perverted dirtbags like Craig and Curtis out of public office. What politicians do behind closed doors should concern all of us, as their judgement and personal integrity should be above reproach. Indeed, I am thankful that Republicans are held to higher standard of conduct than Democrats, and by that have no business groveling in the slime with the likes of Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 3, 2007 12:49 PM
27. "Republican Party officials, as well as fellow office holders and "insider" constituents, really do need to do a better job keeping perverted dirtbags like Craig and Curtis out of public office."

I agree with the sentiment. But how do you keep them out of office?

"Listen here, potential Republican office holder, are you now or have you ever been a perverted dirtbag?"

I wish it was that simple.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 3, 2007 01:16 PM
28. self-proclaimed party of compassion and empathy yet there is not much that the Democrats can point to regarding their policies actually providing a path out of poverty. In fact if the effects on their human guinea pigs is examined the effects are abundantly clear. How's that for hypocrisy. Don't like that one how about the travesty that teacher's unions with help from Democrats have reduced public education to? You want to compare hypocrisies let's start with a certain Party that has elevated a former Klu Klux Klan Grand Kleagle to a position of senate leadership - compare this to the other Party marginalizing David Duke. How about we shine the light of day on the dealings of the Speaker of the House's husbands dealings? How about we take a close look at Harry Reid's entire families involvement in land speculation wherein taxpayers paid to build massive transportation improvements and the zoning magically changed as soon as the land came under the families control after decades of the former owner trying to get it rezoned? How about credible rape accusations against William Jefferson (BJ) Clinton being given short shrift be the big players in the feminist community? How about I am not some Tammy Wynette who bla bla bla and is a Democrat front runner and those who cannot stand the sight of her are "afraid of a strong woman?" how many more would you like to consider? Huh

Posted by: JDH on November 3, 2007 04:09 PM
29. Bill @ 27,

I am certain there are numerous people (friends, staff or campaign managers) very close to Craig and Curtis who knew, or at least strongly suspected, the dark secrets they held close. Those who engage in perverted behavior don't do so in a vacuum. A discrete word to the news media would have ended their Republican careers before they began. It's a shame the lure of power outweighed their sense of honor.

Posted by: Saltherring on November 3, 2007 10:09 PM
30. You have got to admit that there seems to be this weird thing going on with GOP leaders and gay sex scandals.

Not that it is any of our business. They sure have a way of making a splash.

There's no way to keep them out of a party that continuously props itself up as anti-gay - serving as an obvious cover for someone in the closet.

The big danger for the GOP is not the sex, it is the bluenosed hypocrisy everybody laughs about. (Although I was hearing many chuckles from GOP friends about the details reported in the Curtis case.)

The only answer is for GOP platforms to get out of people's bedrooms and start focusing on other priorities.

Posted by: redflag on November 4, 2007 09:37 AM
31. The only answer is for GOP platforms to get out of people's bedrooms and start focusing on other priorities


Interesting perspective , comes from the view point of hating the sinner and loving the sin .
The biggest looser in the case of Curtis , as if you care about him and his family .

Look at the lefts plantform from abortion to special rights for people based on how they have sex . Looks to me the left is the one who makes an issue of what happens in the bedroom and making government handle the consequences for it .

Posted by: Mick on November 4, 2007 12:38 PM
32. Jim: Every week, by picking just four or five stories to discuss, we are by definition leaving thousands of stories out, including some big ones. The listeners have a chance to add their two bits. I hope you call. As to Steve Scher being a closet/repressed Republican, you might have something there. We'll test the theory. But he is hardly the only person in America to want to examine sex scandals--there's an entire publishing industry devoted to it. And the fact that gay Republican sex scandals are epidemic right now is just one of those facts that, as Stephen Clobert would say, give reality a left-wing bias. But that will self-correct. Remember when the sex scandal outbreak was Northwest pols, like Adams, Packwood and Lowry? The question posed by the national press then was: What's in the water up there? My point is, sex scandals are bipartisan and touch--sometimes inappropriately--all of us. Lastly, the idea that D. Parvaz was condoning arson is a deliberate misreading of what she actually wrote. In fact, she advised people hostile to religion to paint pictures rather than torching churches. Anyway, glad you're listening.

Posted by: knute berger on November 5, 2007 12:00 PM
33. Jim: Every week, by picking just four or five stories to discuss, we are by definition leaving thousands of stories out, including some big ones. The listeners have a chance to add their two bits. I hope you call. As to Steve Scher being a closet/repressed Republican, you might have something there. We'll test the theory. But he is hardly the only person in America to want to examine sex scandals--there's an entire publishing industry devoted to it. And the fact that gay Republican sex scandals are epidemic right now is just one of those facts that, as Stephen Clobert would say, give reality a left-wing bias. But that will self-correct. Remember when the sex scandal outbreak was Northwest pols, like Adams, Packwood and Lowry? The question posed by the national press then was: What's in the water up there? My point is, sex scandals are bipartisan and touch--sometimes inappropriately--all of us. Lastly, the idea that D. Parvaz was condoning arson is a deliberate misreading of what she actually wrote. In fact, she advised people hostile to religion to paint pictures rather than torching churches. Anyway, glad you're listening.

Posted by: knute berger on November 5, 2007 12:02 PM
34. knute, I agree going after D.Parvaz for a comment that she surely was misinterpreted was wrong. The left did the same sort of thing over Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comment, taken deliberately out of context, as was Parvaz's. We can do better. Lefties make plenty of insane comments that we can really address without taking them out of context and blowing them up out of porportion. I don't get why we aren't talking about Hillary's rant at the last debate about how she will "take" company profits and do god knows what with them.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on November 5, 2007 04:40 PM
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