November 20, 2007
Modest Fellow, Isn't He?

Near the end of this column by the Seattle Times editorial page editor, Jim Vesely, is this claim:

Media companies, especially newspapers, are by default nearly the lone agents of the democratic form of government.

I would have thought that elected officials had something to do with democracy, but what do I know?

If his view is widely shared in newsrooms, then we can understand some things that otherwise seem inexplicable, such as the New York Times' belief that newspapers have the right to overrule the president of the United States on national security questions.  Being a journalist is more important, in their view, than being elected.  Getting your job from, for instance, the Sulzberger family, is worth more than getting your job from 62 million voters.

That this view is profoundly undemocratic, in fact anti-democratic, does not seem to occur to many journalists.  Somehow, they believe that they can demand aristocratic privileges — in the service of democracy.  I doubt that I can convince many journalists that they are wrong on this point, but I will give them this warning:  One of the things that makes many Americans despise journalists is the arrogance so common in that profession.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(Not satisfied with puffing his own work, Vesely also has sharp criticisms to make of his competition, including blogs:

Foremost, a decent newspaper is the enemy of rumor and a citizen of its place.  Blogs are not the enemy of rumor, nor is talk radio or cable television.  Rumor is not the substitute for truth, and it takes journalism to sift for truth.

Note the clever comparison.  Decent newspapers are compared to all blogs, talk radio, and cable television.  In fact, there are good newspapers and bad ones, good blogs and bad ones, good talk radio shows and bad ones.  There may even be good cable television shows (other than those on C-SPAN), though I have seen so few cable shows recently that I won't venture an opinion on that question.

Unlike Vesely, I won't make great claims for my own work.  But I will say this:  I routinely see factual errors on Vesely's editorial pages, in pieces by Seattle Times employees, and pieces by outside writers.  If they really want to "sift for truth", they should take a close look at the sieves they are using.)

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Comments
1. Can we get Teddy Kennedy to give this guy a ride home?

He's obviously had a few too many soda pops.

Posted by: Independent Voter on November 20, 2007 03:23 PM
2. I've been talking to him. He actually doesn't give a damn about the newspaper industry based on how he treats customers, or potential customers. He seems to think that we still need *them*, and not the other way around. I've never met any business people like those in newspapers. If not for some sort of govt involvement, would not the Times have already been out of business?

Posted by: Gary on November 20, 2007 03:25 PM
3. And the newspaper industry continues to decline.

Posted by: Jeff B. on November 20, 2007 03:34 PM
4. Talk about someone who has been drinking from the COOL-AID stand for far to long.

Buddy we don't need you fools at all.
If they haven't noticed, their empire is crashing down.

(your time is up)

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on November 20, 2007 04:15 PM
5. Ha!

One imagines Mr. Vesely (the Lone Agent) with snuff box in hand, waving off detractors with an embroidered hankerchief.

Does he wear the beauty mark on left cheek, or the right?

Posted by: Shaun on November 20, 2007 04:16 PM
6. One word folks, delusional.

Posted by: Fed Up on November 20, 2007 04:48 PM
7. In 1941, H.L. Mencken, himself a newspaperman most of his life, wrote: "To the best of my knowledge and belief, the average American newspaper, even of the so-called better sort, is not only quite as bad as Upton Sinclair says it is, but 10 times worse – 10 times as ignorant, 10 times as unfair and tyrannical, 10 times as complaisant and pusillanimous, and 10 times as devious, hypocritical, disingenuous, deceitful, pharisaical, Pecksniffian, fraudulent, slippery, unscrupulous, perfidious, lewd and dishonest."

I concur and have nothing to add.

Posted by: JDH on November 20, 2007 05:03 PM
8. Upton Sinclair says

* Journalism is one of the devices whereby industrial autocracy keeps its control over political democracy; it is the day-by-day, between-elections propaganda, whereby the minds of the people are kept in a state of acquiescence, so that when the crisis of an election comes, they go to the polls and cast their ballots for either one of the two candidates of their exploiters.

* The methods by which the "Empire of Business" maintains its control over journalism are four: First, ownership of the papers; second, ownership of the owners; third, advertising subsidies; and fourth, direct bribery. By these methods there exists in America a control of news and of current comment more absolute than any monopoly in any other industry.

* The reader will understand that I despise these "yellows"; they are utterly without honor, they are vulgar and cruel; and yet, in spite of all their vices, I count them less dangerous to society than the so-called "respectable" papers, which pretend to all the virtues, and set the smug and pious tone for good society--papers like the "New York Tribune" and the "Boston Evening Transcript" and the "Baltimore Sun," which are read by rich old gentlemen and maiden aunts, and can hardly ever be forced to admit to their columns any new or vital event or opinion. These are "kept" papers, in the strictest sense of the term, and do not have to hustle on the street for money. They serve the pocketbooks of the whole propertied class--which is the meaning of the term "respectability" in the bourgeois world. On the other hand the "yellow" journals, serving their own pocketbooks exclusively, will often print attacks on vested wealth, provided the attacks are startling and sensational, and provided the vested wealth in question is not a heavy advertiser.

and JDH says that now that the Newspapers are not the sole source, and are held accountable for what they write by the internet, that is a good thing.

Posted by: JDH on November 20, 2007 05:09 PM
9. You protest, and with justice, each time Hitler jails an opponent; but you forget that Stalin and company have jailed and murdered a thousand times as many. It seems to me, and indeed the evidence is plain, that compared to the Moscow brigands and assassins, Hitler is hardly more than a common Ku Kluxer and Mussolini almost a philanthropist.

* H. L. Mencken, letter published in The American Mercury (June 1936)

Don't even get me started on Walter Duranty of the NYT and his role in genocide.

Posted by: JDH on November 20, 2007 05:12 PM
10. Vesely's idea of democracy sounds rather elitist.

Posted by: Kevin on November 20, 2007 05:37 PM
11. Gees, the Times can't even get basic local election coverage right. I am sure our founding fathers never dreamed the Fourth Estate would devolve to what it has.

Posted by: Walters on November 20, 2007 06:04 PM
12. I was wondering why nobody at SP took up the whole Times editorial series on the press and democracy. Their Answer to a Free Press is More Big Government Interference!!! They opined that the print press needs the FCC to prevent the free market from working on publicly-held newspapers. Ugly!

Posted by: Carol Kujawa on November 20, 2007 06:12 PM
13. Pretty good piece on "The O'Reilly Factor" tonight. Laura Ingraham is filling-in for Bill, who's checking things out in Afganistan. Laura's Talking Points segment blasted the Pentagon for sending wounded guys from the Iraq messages demands for repayment of a portion of the guys' signing bonuses. It seems the guys, who got the bonuses, didn't complete the "full" tour of duty due to their injuries. Kind of hard to complete the tour with a limb or two blown off, but the Pentagon is being sticklars on this one.

This one's beneath contempt. These Bush guys have stooped to a new low. Is it January 2009 yet?

Posted by: Politically Incorrect on November 20, 2007 06:49 PM
14. The absolute first and most important function of a newspaper is to sell ads. Without revenue, there is no paper. The primary purpose of "journalists" is to get enough people to read the paper so that the paper can sell ads. Without ad revenue there is no paper.

Craigslist does it better and does it for free. It is hard to compete with better and free when you are trying to keep the world safe for democracy. Oh well.

Posted by: Huey on November 20, 2007 07:02 PM
15. Many journalists who were cub reporters during Watergate, people like Vesely, McKay, and Balter, really believe they are the sole defenders of democracy. Unless they are counting on a government bailout, I suggest they abandon this Democracy Paper schtick and start figuring out how to sell brassiere ads in the new millenium.

Posted by: Organization Man on November 20, 2007 07:47 PM
16. "This one's beneath contempt. These Bush guys have stooped to a new low. Is it January 2009 yet?
Posted by Politically Incorrect at November 20, 2007 06:49 PM"

Yes it is beneath contempt and the Free Press will get it corrected. I seriously doubt your contention that this was caused by Bush or that the bureaucracy are all Bush appointees. It is merely a bureaucracy out of control and trying to enforce rules without concern with the consequences.

Please remember 'Occam's Razor' before blinding blasting any party or President.

Thanks!

Posted by: me on November 20, 2007 08:26 PM
17. This is pretty typical of people who work in the media.

I was planning on being a reporter when I graduated from College, it was my senior year when I met a few people very similar to the above fellow, and decided I couldn't do it. There was no way I could work with institutions that thought along these lines and remain sane.

Posted by: cliff on November 20, 2007 09:08 PM
18. And yet the Times keeps wasting money on the very unfunny and highly offensive Doonesbury. I can't figure out why Veseley will pay an east coast elistist but won't spend money on local high school sports. Seems to me that a lot of parents would be buying the paper to read about their child or their school. Might even increase readership. But it wouldn't fit their political world view.

Posted by: janet s on November 20, 2007 09:14 PM
19. I think Vesely's point about the "lone agents of the democratic form of government" has to do with communication, not an exaggerated sense of self-importance.

An "agent" does something for his "principal." News media function as agents for both the government and the citizens -- as a conduit for information and opinions that flow back and forth. Hardly anyone takes the time to go personally to a speech or meeting. We depend on the news media to act like our agents and tell us what occurred or what was said. And, the newspapers give us a limited forum to talk back to government in a very public way.

It's not a great analogy, since the "principal" would be in control of the "agent," if it were truly an agency relationship.

But, if you stop and think about it, it's not a bad analogy either.

Blogs can (and do) perform a similar function, even though they are often more personalized conduits and rarely have the kind of first-hand information that a reporter on the scene can provide (no matter how biased that reporter may be).

Someone tell Vesely that the Chattanooga Times is no longer the Chattanooga Times. It's the Chattanooga Times-Free Press -- a consolidation of what had been a morning paper with a left-leaning view and an afternoon paper with a right-leaning view. The two were really great in combination, so long as they were separate. My parents always subscribed to both. Now, something's missing after the consolidation. As bad as the P-I is, I hope it stays as separate as can be -- and that the Seattle Times tries harder to find and publish the other viewpoint as often as possible.

Posted by: Micajah on November 20, 2007 10:02 PM
20. he said. "newspapers, are by default nearly the lone agents of the democratic form of government."

but meant: " we are the agents of the Democrats form of gov't"

Posted by: righton on November 21, 2007 05:18 AM
21. The Blethens and their managers will continue to degrade the value of the ST until they have to sell it. It would be poetic justice if the only bidder was Rupert Murdoch, and at a fire sale price. Go Belthens, go.

Posted by: Paddy on November 21, 2007 10:01 AM
22. The Seattle PI and the Seattle Times wouldn't know no print the truth if it bit them on thier collective rears. When called abount subscribing to these so called newpapers, my response was "if I want to read Pravda/Tass, I'll get it direct from Moscow. There are very few good and honest journalists left in this Republic. The feeding frenzy of the faux scandle of watergate opened up the flood gates of got-ya reporting. Forget the facts, forget the content of the main subject matter....just write about what you want it to be. That is that state of the print media today. The same can be said for a vast majority of the electronic media. When voting patterns of journalist/reporters are broken down...you will see that over 90% vote for democrats. Is it any wonder now, that with the advent of blogs and other internet sources, old style opinionated reporting is is passe. Hence, the drop in subscribership in daily newspapers. Readership would grow if newspapers would actually function as gatherers of facts and let the readers decide what to make of it...... One other thing, my wife and I hope that each and every one of the readers of this blog have a very Happy Thanksgiving....enjoying the blessings that God has given us.

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 21, 2007 11:23 AM
23. The great advantage blogs have is people can chime in. The conversation is two way, not one way. To me, that's more democratic, and has the potential to get the truth out on the table more quickly. The PI is to be commended for letting readers comment on stories. I wonder if the Times will ever do that?

There are good reporters and bad ones. The coverage Mike Lindblom did of RTID/ST2 in the past few months was quite impressive.

Posted by: Stuart Jenner on November 21, 2007 12:40 PM
24. Ok, this guy is horse dung. W/o the Seattle Times we would not be free? I say w/o the Times we'd be FREER!

Posted by: Liberal_Crusher on November 21, 2007 01:22 PM
25. Liberals like the one way Commissariat style dictating. No wonder they are closet Commies.

Posted by: Liberal_Crusher on November 21, 2007 01:28 PM
26. Vesley does not understand the First Amendment.

He writes "Foremost, a decent newspaper is the enemy of rumor and a citizen of its place," but the newspapers that the First Amendment was *designed* to protect *were* filled with rumors -- and even lies -- from top to bottom. They were far more like DailyKos than The New York Times.

The true lone agent of democracy is, of course, the people. The press is not an anointed group of people, it is anyone who chooses to publish his thoughts. The Internet is the press every tiny bit as much as any newspaper, and they are just as important to democracy. Period, end of story.

Granted, some Internet sites are worse than others. But it is not about better or worse. It's about liberty and participation and expression.

Posted by: pudge on November 21, 2007 04:18 PM
27. The Times and P-I have both suppressed all news of the recent Shorenstein Center (Harvard) study on media bias, that showed there is pervasive liberal bias in the media, and that newspapers are the worst at it. They cherry-picked a few minor stats from a recent study on hate-crimes and neglected to mention the most significant ones. The recent study on economic mobility got the same treatment: findings that superfically supported liberal talking points were touted, and ones that were much more significant that showed a contrary trend were omitted.

This is how the press fools itself into pretending it is unbiased - it does not tell us lies so much as simply ignore things that it does not agree with (although the press is inordinately fond of liars like the Joe Wilsons). They rely on their readership being insufficiently curious to wonder whether they are seeing the whole picture, and simply lapping up what they dish out.

Vesely stands firm as "the guardian of the public's right to know what he knows is right for the public to know."

Posted by: sherlock on November 24, 2007 08:21 AM
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