February 08, 2008
Democrats Refuse a Vote on U.S. 2 Safety Bills

This morning, on the last day for the House transportation committee to hear bills and vote them out of committee for this legislative session, the Democrats refused to allow a vote on Rep. Dan Kristiansen's three U.S. 2 safety bills, HB 2614, HB 2615, and HB 2616.

All of the Republicans on the committee walked out in protest.

Will the Democrats do anything at all to keep people from dying on U.S. 2?

Posted by pudge at February 08, 2008 12:49 PM | Email This
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1. What a few dozen dead citizens if the dhimmicrats can deny a Republican a legislative victory?

Posted by: Obi-Wan on February 8, 2008 01:08 PM
2. I'll say it again - Snohomish County needs to use the existing provisions in the RTID legislation to pass a one-county "RTID-district" ballot measure. All the money would stay in Snohomish County for roads. The road work would be done cheaper, better and faster than any other way.

Posted by: mulch on February 8, 2008 01:16 PM
3. What exactly makes Hwy 2 so dangerous? I'll admit that I don't drive it much - maybe 1 or 2 times a year to go snowboarding.

Is it dangerous because people are driving too fast and run off the road, or drive head-on into oncoming traffic?

Posted by: Smoley on February 8, 2008 01:39 PM
4. Isn't it obvious? The Democrats do not feel that US 2 is dangerous. Therefore, any bills addressing safety improvements are a waste of time.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on February 8, 2008 01:47 PM
5. As someone who can vote in either Chelan or Snohomish County at my whim, I can say that many of the curves have been eliminated over the years.

However, the volume of people going over the pass has tripled while the narrow roads and narrow bridges have remained the same.

To this day, I am pleased I make it alive because I see cars coming the opposite direction go over the lines (kind of scary when they are so narrow) all the time on bends and along stretches the driver is not familiar with.

Then, there have been many accidents of old people slightly falling asleep barely crossing over the lanes as they come down from Canada.

Then, there are always young drivers not experienced enough that go off the road or cross the yellow lines.

In the old days and when I was learning there were fewer numbers of cars, so when I crossed the lines there was very little likelihood of meeting and greeting another car.

So, in an upshot, increased traffic on the narrow and curvey road has increased the potential for accidents.

Posted by: swatter on February 8, 2008 01:52 PM
6. Next question is whether Pearson and Kristiansen's districts include the King County portion near Skykomish?

If so, have Dan and Kirk tried to get these gents into the picture? Have they got Chelan's backing? Or were they doing this because of Walser running against them?

Posted by: swatter on February 8, 2008 01:55 PM
7. swatter: yes, the 39th District includes Skykomish.

And yes, as you can see from the links, they got co-sponsorship on all three bills from Condotta (R) in the 12th, which covers Chelan (along with Ericks (D-1)).

And no, they were not doing this because of Walser, who is not running against either of them. This is one of a long line of attempts to get U.S. 2 safety funding.

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2008 02:12 PM
8. I talked to Pearson about this several years ago.

When the feds made I-90 the coast to coast interstate, the feds lost interest in Highway 2. So did the State.

I would think that with all the I-90 closures, the legislature and the WDOT realize how important it is to have two major highways linking east and west.

Posted by: swatter on February 8, 2008 02:28 PM
9. swatter, agreed. U.S. 2 should not just be made more safe, it should be significantly expanded.

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2008 02:42 PM
10. but they did look for a way to add an ADDITIONAL tax to each car based on fuel efficiency.


i'm the tax maaaaaan---ohhhhh baby I'm the taxman!

Posted by: Andy on February 8, 2008 03:09 PM
11. Sorry, off-topic. Pudge, did you get my email earlier today? Just wanted to know if it went through.

Posted by: The Tim on February 8, 2008 03:24 PM
12. This legilature is too busy protecting the people from interior designers, daycare workers, plastic bottles and shopping carts.
They can't waste time on highways and property tax relief.

Posted by: PC on February 8, 2008 04:10 PM
13. They ARE doing something to stop people from dying on Hwy 2. They banned people from putting up crosses at accident sites where someone died. Too much of a distraction they said. Might cause people to get killed driving off the road. I suspect the real reason is that they didn't want the embarrassment of out-of-towners seeing a forest of crosses caused by their lack of attention to safety. Either that or they did it out of hatred for Christians.

Posted by: NW Denizen on February 8, 2008 04:23 PM
14. Why vote on it when they can just blame it on Bush? Same, same. Always the same. As long as the voters keep voting these morons in what do they expect? This state has been under democratic rule forever and nothing ever gets done in a timely manner. They just keep passing the buck and digging deeper into our pockets at every turn. What happened to their "sky is falling" claim for replacing the viaduct in order to coerce people into voting for the gas tax? Now that's been all but ignored after Gregoire punted on a decision while caving to the pressures of the Seattle loon who say we should just tear it down all together and divert traffic onto surface streets in order to save their precious views.
No surprise they ignored the ongoing safety issues of U.S. 2.

Posted by: mimi on February 8, 2008 04:35 PM
15. But the reps didn't get King County to sign on? Come on, Skykomish- flood the phones!!

I know. You think you are Snohomish County and you follow the Looks Like a Duck, Quacks Like a Duck, so you are a Duck scenario, but you are really a King County resident. Go after it.

Posted by: swatter on February 8, 2008 04:51 PM
16. The bigger question is: why has it taken Rep. Kristiansen so long to wake up and do anything about transportation gnerally and US 2 specifically? He finally got interested in an election year.

The road needs to be made safer and expanded in parts. It'll take a billion bucks to do it right. Obviously Rep. Kristiansen isn't very effective on this subject.

Maybe it is time to elect someone who can actually get the job done, not just posture with hero bills. The guy has been missing in action.

Posted by: redflag on February 8, 2008 05:06 PM
17. redflag: He finally got interested in an election year.

False. You have not been paying attention. For example, in the 2006 session, he worked on getting funding for the U.S. 2 Safety Coalition to do the study that told us what needed to be fixed. He's been working on this for several years.

Please be more careful about making such unfair and incorrect assertions. Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are uninterested in facts, and just looking for a chance to deceptively smear someone you don't like. Which is it?


Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2008 05:24 PM
18. I wrote: Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you are uninterested in facts, and just looking for a chance to deceptively smear someone you don't like. Which is it?

Actually, I know it is the latter. You were already directly told of the fact that our 39th District electeds have been working on this for years. So that you repeat this false allegation means you're intending to be deceptive.

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2008 05:28 PM
19. I am surprised comments made by people who refuse to fix the road is because locals did not vote for gas taxes and are Republicans does not cross the line to be libelous.

If so, why cannot survivors mount a class-action suit to force change? I am sure that more than Republicans have died on US 2.

Posted by: Bart Norton on February 8, 2008 05:38 PM
20. "SAFETY is our highest priority."

Right.

Posted by: Michele on February 8, 2008 05:44 PM
21. I see why they're doing nothing for the roads. It's the 61 billion on SB6603. At least you'll have healthcare when you cross the center line.

Posted by: PC on February 8, 2008 05:52 PM
22. It goes beyond U.S. 2.
The whole state is short on guard rails and concrete dividers.You can blame SEIU.
They are the ones that threaten our legislators if they do not get funding increases.
They think all they have to do is have us all move to the city so we can save the money for the SEIU.

Posted by: Publicbulldog on February 8, 2008 06:20 PM
23. safety fixes will be implemented when a busload of illegal aliens crashes while en route to a polling place

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on February 9, 2008 02:35 AM
24. Wake up and smell the coffee. Kristiansen is ineffective and cannot deliver jack s--t for his constituents. Voters in the 39th would do well to replace him and your ludicrous parody of a state Senator, Val Stevens, with Democrats.

All of Kristiansen's obstructionist votes on other bills are coming back to haunt him now. Why the hell should anyone in Olympia do *him* any favors? His chickens are coming home to roost. He, and not the Democrats, played politics with people's lives in Highway 2 -- and so did his supporters -- that means you Pudge.

Replace him and the money will flow. Too bad if you R's don't like that, but that's the way you played it when you had the majority, so quit your whining.


Posted by: ivan on February 9, 2008 06:29 AM
25. All of Kristiansen's obstructionist votes on other bills are coming back to haunt him now. Why the hell should anyone in Olympia do *him* any favors? His chickens are coming home to roost. He, and not the Democrats, played politics with people's lives in Highway 2 -- and so did his supporters -- that means you Pudge.

Wow, ivan. I don't know if I could have proved you stupider than you prove yourself. You say the Democrats didn't play politics with people's lives right after you claim that saving lives on U.S. 2 would be doing a "favor" for Kristiansen, and that Kristiansen voting his opinion and conscience is the reason why Democrats are allowing people to die.

You contradict yourself completely within that single paragraph.

ivan, please, stop being so stupid. For your own sake.

You are making the argument that Democrats are intentionally allowing people to die for partisan reasons, and that this is somehow the fault of the Republicans, and that in order to save lives, we should therefore give in to the Democrats' blackmail.

No one is fooled by your evil and irrational claim.

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2008 07:57 AM
26. Now we find out in The Herald this morning that while the not very effective Rep. Kristiansen is resorting to silly stunts (walkouts) after his hero bills go nowhere, other effective legislators are planning on delivering real money to US 2 to make improvements that will actually improve safety.

Let's compare: Kristiansen: all talk, no action, stunts. Others: delivering the funding necessary to get the job done.

Where's Kristiansen been? He sounded surprised in the newspaper this morning that other legislators were making progress on US 2 while he was playing around.

If you really want action on US 2 and ferries, the obvious only choice is to re-elect Mary Margaret Haugen. She's using her Chairmanship of Transportation to make a real difference. And everybody knows that if she is not re-elected, a guy from Spokane will take her place. The only priority for Spokane is a freeway that runs north of Spokane - Spokane could care less about US 2 or ferries.

Posted by: redflag on February 9, 2008 08:27 AM
27. redflag: wow, does your deceit never end?

In fact, what you describe as "delivering the funding necessary to get the job done" is merely one in another long line of unfulfilled promises by the Democrats. Maybe something will get done, but none of us have any reason to believe it. And if it does happen, it will be in large part because Kristiansen has been forcing the issue, whether his legislation is enacted or not.


Where's Kristiansen been? He sounded surprised in the newspaper this morning that other legislators were making progress on US 2 while he was playing around.

Plesse stop lying. There is no evidence of any progress. And he didn't sound surprised at all: he stated the fact that there is no plan, no details, no progress of any kind.


If you really want action on US 2 and ferries, the obvious only choice is to re-elect Mary Margaret Haugen

Riiiiiiiight. In order to save lives on U.S. 2, people should re-elect the woman who stated explicitly that she was allowing people to die on U.S. 2 to punish 39th District voters.

You have it entirely backward: if Haugen wants to be re-elected, she should take action on U.S. 2. It is absolutely incredible that you would sit here and claim that Haugen's NOT fixing U.S. 2 is a reason to re-elect her so that she WILL fix U.S. 2.

You are not fooling anyone.

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2008 08:52 AM
28. I think it is obvious to most everyone that Rep. Kristiansen all of a sudden got interested in US 2 to try to save his own rear this year. That's fair and just fine. His strategy was obviously ineffective because he couldn't persuade the rest of his committee to see things his way. He's been there long enough for us to expect far more.

Mary Margaret has already taken more action on US 2 than Stevens or Kristiansen. Look for even more. The highway actually extends to the Keystone ferry, which is carrying cars again today largely through the clout of Mary Margaret Haugen. She was also the prime mover in the study that identified how best to improve the highway over Stevens Pass.

We'd be crazy to lose that clout to Spokane over partisan politics, absolutely nuts.

Posted by: redflag on February 9, 2008 09:25 AM
29. Pudge: Don't let Mr. Olson's campaign diatribes bother you. He's just using the page to anonymously smear Rep. Kristiansen, to help his own campaign.

Redflag: anonymous only works when no one knows who you are. Your M.O. was the giveaway.

Posted by: Stewart_Street on February 9, 2008 09:38 AM
30. redflag: I think it is obvious to most everyone that Rep. Kristiansen all of a sudden got interested in US 2 to try to save his own rear this year.

Seriously: stop lying. Kristiansen got $700,000 for the U.S. 2 study more than two years ago.


His strategy was obviously ineffective because he couldn't persuade the rest of his committee to see things his way.

Except that he put the spotlight on the issue and forced them to promise to do something about U.S. 2 in the transportation budget.


He's been there long enough for us to expect far more.

He can only do so much, if Democrats are unwilling to even have a vote, let alone fix the problem. Haugen has been there a lot longer, and U.S. 2 safety still, to this day, is not a priority for her.


We'd be crazy to lose that clout to Spokane over partisan politics, absolutely nuts.

Not as nuts as when Haugen said she was allowing people to die over partisan politics.

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2008 09:53 AM
31. Too bad if you R's don't like that, but that's the way you played it when you had the majority, - Ivan the Union Goon

Really? Name one piece of legislation - one - or one transportation project - one - that dealt with road safety that was killed by the Republicans because the legislator/s who backed it were Democrats. Just one.

You won't and you can't. Rep. Fisher(D-27) and Rep. Schmidt (R-23) got along famously when crafting transpo issues and didn't allow partisan politics to supercede public safety.

Too bad that's not the case now, and too bad your post proved people like you are willing to place taxpayers lives on the line simply to take partisan shots.

You should be ashamed, but you have no shame.

Posted by: jimg on February 9, 2008 09:53 AM
32. Hey redflag, you give yourself away... Scott Olson, perhaps?

Scott's campaign slogan in the past was "progress, not partisanship". Unfortunately, Scott didn't follow his own advice and lost to Dan Kristiansen in the 39th. Dan is working his rear-end off in Olympia and it's sad that trolls like Scott try to blame him for the democratic stone-walling.

Posted by: gk360 on February 9, 2008 10:32 AM
33. What they need is more landscaping. thats what everybody but king and pierce counties get instead of relief.

Posted by: bud on February 9, 2008 11:16 AM
34. The job of an elected official or what was at one time called a public servant is to insure the health and safety of the public. That should be their mandate, no matter the party. This is slightly off topic, but alarming:

Court commissioner halts issuance of 50 taxi licenses
By Keith Ervin

Seattle Times staff reporter

King County Court Commissioner Carlos Velategui temporarily stopped county officials Friday from giving 50 taxicab licenses to a group that included contributors to County Executive Ron Sims' 2005 re-election campaign.
The 14-day restraining order, sought by cabdrivers who said they weren't given a fair chance to compete for the valuable licenses, is the latest development in a controversy that has pitted one group of drivers against another.
"As they say in Eastern Washington, 'taint fair, 'taint right," attorney Douglas Titus said of the process for deciding who would get licenses to operate 45 hybrid gas-electric taxis and five vans for disabled passengers. Titus represents Seattle Washington Taxi Association, which is suing over the licenses....
....The County Council in 2005 authorized the program, which was touted as a way to better the lives of cabdrivers, mostly immigrants, who have no employee benefits and often struggle to afford the high cost of buying or leasing licenses.
When the county was studying the issue and Tekeba was president of the American Taxi Association, members of that group gave $14,600 to Sims' campaign, $5,000 to then-County Councilmember Dwight Pelz's Seattle City Council campaign and $4,750 to County Councilmember Pete von Reichbauer's re-election campaign.
The Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission later investigated the contributions to Pelz -- who is now chairman of the state Democratic Party -- and concluded the taxi association had skirted contribution limits by reimbursing members for their political contributions. The association agreed to pay a $4,550 fine.
The city's ethics commission didn't investigate the contributions to Sims and von Reichbauer because they were running for county office.
At least seven of the 23 people on a list of Green Cab drivers gave to Sims' campaign.
Green Cab attorney Eric Lansverk said in court Friday the association has already bought and repainted 50 vehicles based on the county's decision last fall to award the licenses. To delay issuance of the licenses, he said, would create a hardship for drivers who have invested their savings and taken out second mortgages to fund the new enterprise.
Lawyers challenging the test-license program say it would hurt other drivers, who pay $100,000 or more for existing, transferable licenses. The new licenses, which are free, cannot be transferred from one person to another.
Gurminder Kahlon, an Indian immigrant opposing the Green Cab licenses, said he used equity from his home and works seven days a week, without vacations, to pay the $140,000 cost of his dual city-county license...."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004173287_taxis09m.html

I don't care what your party is, if you are corrupt and are not serving the public interest, you need to be gone.

Posted by: WVH on February 9, 2008 11:46 AM
35. the bottom line is hwy 2 needs fixing and widening. if we can't get government to fix it maybe we should look into doing it ourselves?
I'm sure that would make gov. open their eyes!!
If nothing else to monitor what we're doing!

Posted by: Valinda Andrea on February 11, 2008 05:16 PM
36. If the problem isn't caused by Global Warming or the Bush Administration, they don't see any reason to waste valuable propaganda on it. The problem doesn't exist. (Glub, glub... sorry, riding a State Ferry is a little chancy these days)...glub, glub...

Posted by: Scott on February 13, 2008 10:32 AM
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