No, there wasn't an obvious game-changer on the campaign trail yesterday. But a couple events occurred that could well fundamentally change the day-to-day flow of the race in the near term.
In context, John McCain was having a bad week. The financial sector crisis news was not helping him with populist leaning Middle America. And quite frankly, his campaign was fumbling around badly, struggling to fire on all cylinders in a time it would have been especially helpful to be doing so.
Yesterday, matters were corrected (thank you Steve Schmidt!). McCain finally went after Obama on Fannie Mae - where McCain's own record of reform is superior and durable - and the economic impact of tax increases at a time of economic uncertainty.
Now, ad after ad is pounding away on the reality that Fannie Mae corporate leadership has long functioned as a quasi-Democratic institution. The fact the ads are tardy getting to the airwaves by several days is an occurrence the McCain campaign can't afford to repeat again before Election Day.
Meanwhile, if someone could please let everyone know what the heck Obama's position is on these issues that would be helpful...it being the most pressing issue on the campaign trail and all (read deliciously befuddled coverage here and here).
Then of course there was Joe Biden's fumble yesterday, the greatest own-goal on the campaign trail since Phil Gramm decided psychoanalyzing his fellow Americans' economic views would be a good idea. It gives the McCain campaign a vivid point to illustrate why Obama is bad on taxes - especially given current economic uncertainty. Don't get me started on the irony of a Democrat invoking patriotism after all the whining that party's candidates have done on the topic whenever their foreign policy thinking is questioned.
In sum, McCain is back on the offensive, even as the topic du jour remains an issue that isn't his strong point. Not a dramatic gaffe or other event, but a very significant turn of affairs when it looked like McCain was losing control of the Presidential campaign narrative, with its heavy focus on the economy.
Bonus reading: Stuart Taylor at the National Journal lays out the case why the media can no longer be trusted as a reliable referee in the race given their abject failure in recent weeks. Wonder how long ago many Americans reached that same conclusion?
Posted by Eric Earling at September 19, 2008 07:30 AM | Email Thisit's time for hope, it's time for change.
didn't you get the memo?
Posted by: Andy on September 19, 2008 07:47 AMFannie Mae, FM are massive errors, more likely crimes, to be laid at the door of the Dems who enacted the repeal of economics-lending money to people who had no business borrowing money. And FM, FM gave massive amounts of money to...Dems, including the BO as #2 recipient.
More of the same? Vote Dem. But dont let reality get in the way, Andy..
Posted by: Hank on September 19, 2008 07:53 AMPer Pres Bush...minutes ago. Never thought I'd hear those words from a died-in-the-wool 'Republican' (especially regarding the economy)
Is hell about to freeze over? :) [x-pstd]
Eric, you aren't going to say it, so I will. It sure would have been nice to have Romney out front and center on this issue reassuring the US and the world that things are okay. (Ed. Note: Palin is my VP)
I just think, like others are saying, that Soros and Buffett gummed the worked a little more than they wanted, so they are now backtracking.
Can't wait to hear the howls and laughter after Obama meets his "economic" advisers and comes out of the meeting with his "fix", which won't be anything the people who are making decisions as we speak. It will be an Obamian soundbite where he will look foolish. I hope they advise him to just shut up.
Posted by: swatter on September 19, 2008 08:08 AMThese days, trucking sarcasm in a Kenworth 9 yard dump won't pile it higher than the left shovels it to begin with.
Posted by: Andy on September 19, 2008 08:27 AMFor the past 14 years in Congress, and the past 8 with the presidency, the Republican, conservative free-market fetishists have been dismantling the financial regulatory system and blowing giant loopholes in whatever they could not dismantle. And this $1 trillion mess is what we (and all our kids and grandkids) have to show for it. Nice work guys!
I'm not saying Barack Obama is going to win. There is too much evidence anecdotally and in the polls that a critical percentage of working class white males in a few key rust-belt states are having a hard time coming to terms with the idea of voting for a black man. But certainly that is the only way McCain, who directly bought into this anti-regulatory approach until, oh, the day before yesterday, can possibly win.
Posted by: BillL on September 19, 2008 08:29 AMThe local news this morning was trumpeting the Democrats' line that this was all the doing of deregulation by the Bush administration, which is a flat out lie.
Posted by: Palouse on September 19, 2008 08:48 AM...ahhh yes, the old fallback position for the left- VICTIMHOOD- If an unqualified black candidate loses it's because he's black, not because he's unqualified. The party of identity politics just can't help but revel in their own self pity any chance they get.
Posted by: Rick D. on September 19, 2008 08:56 AM"Given the gravity of this situation, and based on conversations I have had with both Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke, I have asked my economic team to refrain from presenting a more detailed blue-print of how an immediate plan might be structured until the Treasury and the Federal Reserve have had an opportunity to present their proposal."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/ts_nm/usa_politics_obama_financial_dc
In other words, a la John Kerry, "I have a plan, but you have to elect me if you want to see what it is."
Posted by: Vatar on September 19, 2008 09:00 AMI think WE need a beer right now.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on September 19, 2008 09:32 AMIt would be far better for our economy and society instead to confiscate all the assets of the management and directors of these crooked companies and banks, and put all these people in prison (regardless of party affiliation).
Posted by: Richard Pope on September 19, 2008 09:41 AMWOW do you think the dem'd are coming unhinged!
Please keep it up. The more they trash Palin, the greater her and Mccain chances of winning.
When things go bad, you fringe-leftists act like there was no such thing as democrats in government.
At the end of the day, you people can mumble about "failed Bush policies" all you want, but there are two facts that are indisputable:
Leftists have been in charge of Congress for 2 years (and have they accomplished ANYTHING they promised?) and they did NOTHING to avert this situation.
Yet, all the nutters can do (And forgive me, BillL, but you must be accounted among their ranks since you seem to actually believe your side to be absolutely blameless... as clean as the driven snow.) is blame the other side as if they had no part in the discussion, and no control over the agenda over the past 2 years; and:
That Barry OhDrama did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES DURING THE ENTIRETY OF HIS VAST LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE.
Is there blame? Of course. But is EITHER side blameless?
Not if the fundamental concept of fairness has any place in your head, it doesn't.
But all we get from the left is that it's the Republican's fault. No explanation about how democrats joined with Republicans on many of the bills in question; no explanation about how they remained silent in the face of these "ninja" policies that led to this... No explanation or responsibility from democrat clowns like Barney Frank who repeatedly demanded a loosening of loan regulations, claiming discrimination against lower income loan applicants who wanted to buy a home... all without any consideration of the long term consequence. in fact, no accountability at all.
In many respects, our government has failed us. But now, OhDrama has cowardly withdrawn his economic plan, because he doesn't want it picked apart by experts. This empty-suited scumbag wants us to accept, as a matter of faith, that he "gets it" and his massive tax increases will somehow "fit it."
Talk about drinking the kool aid.
Posted by: Hinton on September 19, 2008 10:11 AMI think it's 'spiked' (-:
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on September 19, 2008 10:15 AMhttp://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2008/09/d-list-comedian-sandra-bernhard-sarah-palin-would-be-gang-raped-by-blacks-in-nyc.html
And yet more religious drama from Obama the Sith's camp. Joe Biden is being condemned by 55 Catholic bishops for his abortion support, misquoting Catholic doctrine, and taking communion after being told not to by his bishop "until he changed his life." There are about 25 million Catholic votes at stake. Say goodbye, Joe.
Re crooked executives. Yes, they should be indicted, and if the feds refuse, then the shareholders must commence derivative actions. The corruption is so deep as to be Babylonian. Our government has been incrementally morally subverted and the cure is to replace the immoral with the moral. Enter Sarah, carrying the servant's sword. The serpents recoil, hiss, and attack, but nothing works. We don't need another crucifixion; we need to defend Sarah, defeat the enemy, and save our nation. Stay strong; take no prisoners, "lest they turn upon you."
Posted by: The Pirate on September 19, 2008 10:34 AM"It would be far better for our economy and society instead to confiscate all the assets of the management and directors of these crooked companies and banks, and put all these people in prison (regardless of party affiliation)."
But that would leave Obama without half of his "advisors".
The trillion dollar mess is largely due to the Clinton administration's cynical metastasizing of the Community Reinvestment Act, which coerced banks into giving "access to credit" to high-risk borrowers. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then used Enron-accounting to conceal the risks while passing on securitized mortgage loan packages to banks and investors, knowing that the bill would some day come due, but cynically sure that the taxpayers would be stuck with it. Even canning Franklin Raines and paying a $400,000,000 fine didn't prevent Democrats from voting down some attempts to impose some accountability on those crooked agencies - who made lavish contributions to Chris Dodd and Obama to shield themselves against that accountability.
Nice work, if you can get it, to be a Fannie executive. Why is it that it's an exclusive Democratic sinecure? Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Jim Johnson, hello? Can we have those gargantuan bonuses back?
Maybe he should confer with Jamie, because she clearly likes to play.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 19, 2008 12:18 PMhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/ts_nm/usa_politics_obama_financial_dc
Posted by: scott on September 19, 2008 12:36 PMhttp://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
(Where's their poll on whether Obama is qualified to be President?)
And...
Today is the International Talk Like a Pirate Day:
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
Somehow I don't think that George W. Bush would be supporting the trillion dollar giveaway to large corporations and lending institutions if these outfits were controlled by DEMOCRATS.
Yes, the millions and millions were already given away to you SLAVERY PARTY HACKS when the CEOs made their big cuts, and gave back millions to your Slavery Party politicians.
It's not a giveaway you dolt; it's called a BUYOUT. Who now owns Lehman Brothers? The US Government. If LEH increases beyond what it's price was on Wednesday, then the Federal Government makes money. And stands to make a LOT. They got LEH at essentially $0.11 per share, and it's now $0.13. The US Government now owns 80% of the company, 425 million shares.
So it's not a "handout" - it's a forced buyout. We the taxpayer now own LEH, and when it rebounds that will be less dollars pulled out of our pocket.
Of course, I wouldn't expect someone of your diminutive intellect and short list of achievements to actually grasp something as basic as a buyout or hostile takeover of a company...
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 19, 2008 12:55 PMSarah Palin was elected and served 2 terms on a city council, she was elected and 2 terms as mayor, she served on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission where she both chaired it and served as the Ethic Supervisor and now she was elected and is serving as Governor.
On the other hand, the person to whom she's most compared (albeit with whining, angst and teeth gnashing) Hillary Clinton, has served exactly one full term in the Senate and was re-elected to a second, most of which she has spent campaigning for President.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 19, 2008 12:57 PMTuesday the P-I wrote yet another in an endless series of hit pieces using AP and New York Times sources, entitled: "After big unveiling Republicans keeping Palin under wraps".
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/379392_palin17.html
There is naturally a Horsey cartoon in the op-ed section using the exact same theme.
We are witnessing an attack machine more savage than I believe even those of us who are political junkies have ever seen. And they are liars. Check out this quote from the article:
"Yet some Republicans concede privately that Palin lacks familiarity with the numerous complex issues that she must deal with as the campaign progresses and question her readiness for high public office."
This is classic leftist media lying. "Concede privately"? As if Republicans in the McCain campaign would say anything to the MSM. They clearly made that up.
Saul(ends justify the means) Alinsky would be proud.
Why are people on the left so routinely unpleasant and nasty?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 19, 2008 01:42 PMI call BS. The Feds most certainly don't own it, haven't bought it, aren't going to. Lehman's in bankruptcy. Its CREDITORS own it, and following whatever assets can be sold off, those creditors will get back a few pennies or nickels for each dollar they were foolish enough to invest. All part of the bankruptcy process, if you'd bother to get informed before bleating or belching or braying, whatever.
Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on September 19, 2008 01:46 PMI went there. My god some long haired hippy who still thinks it's 1970 and WoodStock. LOL
I loved the top gun sun glasses.
Some people just never grow up.
Hey Duffie, I feel for ya buddy.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on September 19, 2008 02:13 PMMea culpa. I should have said AIG, not LEH. This video from yesterday's Charlie Rose show explains that in exchange for an $85 billion bridge loan, the Government takes an 80% share of ownership.
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 19, 2008 02:16 PMAnd you are being ignorant enough to disparage Obama's team? Paul Volcker, Bob Rubin, Austan Goolsbee. All brilliant economists.
It took Bush 6 years to finally put someone qualified in Treasury. I have to give him some credit here, Paulson has been handling this crisis well, and has done what needed to be done without regard to partisan politics. A Republican appointee NATIONALIZING a good chunk of Wall St? That took some serious cojones.
Posted by: Proteus on September 19, 2008 02:18 PMI've read FOUR articles just today and they do not bode well for the bho/joe ticket.
Nancy and Joe brought this issue to the forefront with their big mouths and distict lack of knowledge about their pwn professe religion. Thanks SanFranGranNan and joe!
Joe Biden loses Barack Obama the Catholic vote
Churchgoing Catholics returning to GOP fold
This could have serious implications down ticket for the chrissy queen too... especially if we could get Archbishop-Finger-in-the-wind to take a PUBLIC stand.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 19, 2008 02:21 PMBeing the governer of a small (in population), rural state, does NOT prepare you to run this country.
so I'm sure you were opposed to President Bill Clinton for the same reason?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 19, 2008 02:41 PMWould that be the same Sen. Chuck Hagel who traveled to Iraq with Obama and his media entourage in July? The same Sen. Hagel who has refused to endorse McCain?
Why yes, I do believe it is the same guy.
Can you provide evidence that other "prominent Republicans" have similar views?
By the way, Hagel's comments came yesterday. Two days after the lies published in the P-I.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 19, 2008 02:41 PMYou "tend" to agree because, like most Obamatons, you're incapable of thinking for yourself.
I defer to OhDrama's OWN GOVERNOR, who said this: Illinois Democratic governor and Barack Obama supporter Rod Blagojevich is taking his own party to task for belittling Sarah Palin's experience. Blagojevich said on a Chicago radio station Thursday, "Governors every day have to make decisions for better or for worse. That's part of the job. It's an executive position... I think it's a tactical mistake for the Democrats to question Governor Palin's experience when she's been governor of a state."
Blagojevich added that criticizing the size of Governor Palin's electorate is also a mistake. "I don't think the size of the state is relevant. It's the kinds of decisions you have to make as governor," he said.
So... who to believe. The empty suit's OWN GOVERNOR? Or an ignorant like the rest of you OhDrama loons?
That's a tough one... for some.
Posted by: Hinton on September 19, 2008 04:55 PMIf you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising two daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admiriable.
Yep..this makes a lot of sense. Republican hypocracy is absolutely beyond belief.
Posted by: Proteus on September 19, 2008 05:30 PMNaturally, its equally fair for Fortune 500 CEOs who get most of their compensation in equities to pay only 10% tax on their millions in dividend income, while the rest of us pay much higher income and payroll taxes.
In any case, I'm sure Bush has been good to you, and the economy as a whole, and we're all much better off than we were eight years ago.
Posted by: Proteus on September 19, 2008 05:37 PMYour side sure has a lot of lawyers, don't they?
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on September 19, 2008 05:39 PMAnd no, you don't need to be a lawyer, but graduating at the top of ones class, from the most elite university in the country does prove a candidate is highly intelligent..which IS a qualification to be President. We already know from the past eight years what its like to have a moron in office.
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Posted by: Proteus on September 19, 2008 06:24 PMIt can be summarized quite easily:
If you believe that a living, breathing baby should be murdered, you are NOT qualified to be President.
That simply trumps all.
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 19, 2008 06:38 PMSearch McCain and senile on Google. Enjoy.
where is that figure from, more likely 0 - 15%
Posted by: Ron K on September 19, 2008 11:59 PMTruck, Saltherring.
You are clearly clueless racist bigots. This is the 21st century..the KKK isn't taking new members. Did you even go to college?
It takes a village. Apropos...Karl Rove was indicted, too bad there is not enough time to impeach Cheney. Bush can't even string two sentences together without mangling it..that says it all.
Ron K. What are you smoking? Even in Puget sound, average household income is ~$65k, which is the 28% tax bracket. Works out to about 20% after deductions. Now add 8.45% SSI+Medicare, twice that if self employed. In most states, there is an income tax as well.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
Let's see, ages 5 to 10 are spent in Indonesia with his mother and step-father.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Radical? Check. Just look at his associates: his minister (make that former minister now after 20+ years?), his wife, his unrepentent terrorist friend/co-board member/host of an informal event to launch his state senate campaign Bill Ayers, commie childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis, etc
Unpatriotic? Debatable, all that messy press about flag lapel pins and proper etiquette when the national anthem is played/Pledge of Allegience is made. Some will say yes, some will say no.
Muslim? He may not consider himself a Muslim (remember that radical minister from above), but both his father and step-father were raised Muslim, though they were "atheist" or "non-practicing", respectively. Does this mean he is a Muslim? The NY Times says, under Muslim law, yes.
Then there are his names. Does Arabic = Muslim? Not always.
In modern Arabic, the name Barack means "he who is blessed" or simply "blessed".
Hussein is an Arabic name which is the diminutive of Hasan, meaning "good" or "handsome".
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Unstable? Don't know. Snooty? Probably.
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
Registering new voters? Let me guess, this was this with ACORN, right? They are so reputable, or should I say, they have a reputation.
A Constitutional Law professor? Well, if you call a part-time "Lecturer"/"Senior Lecturer" a professor. UC Law school does, but even FactCheck.org calls the school's new release "carefully worded".
A State Senator who votes present 130 times? What's up with that? How does that represent your district?
Wikipedia shows 136 sponsered bills of which a whole whopping 5 were approved by the Senate and only a handful more made it out of committee.
Oh, and the 5 that were approved by the Senate? They were so earth-shaking important:
109 S.RES. 291 To congratulate the Chicago White Sox on winning the 2005 World Series Championship.
109 S.RES. 516 Recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day and expressing the sense of the Senate that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and...
109 S.RES. 529 Designating July 13, 2006, as `National Summer Learning Day'.
110 S.RES. 133 Whereas Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was born in 1939 to Bishop W.A. and Mrs. Mary Patterson, Sr., in Humboldt, Tennessee;
110 S.RES. 268 Designating July 12, 2007, as `National Summer Learning Day'.
And as for representing the 13 million people in Illinois in the US Senate, how does he do that while running for President? Just look at all the NV (not voting) at VoteSmart.org.
Oh, and didn't he claim to be on the US Senate Banking Committee? I don't see that listed here...
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising two daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
"churches"? He's been a member somewhere else than with that afore-mentioned radical minister that married him and his wife, baptised his children, and was his spiritual leader up until he got thrown under the bus? When was this?
If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
Was this before or after she got that big raise after Obama got in the US Senate? Doesn't sound like she "gave that up to raise a family". What with her kids born in 1998 and 2001, she was executive director for community affairs (2002-2005) and then Vice President for Community and External Affairs (2005-present) at the University of Chicago Hospitals, being a salaried board member of TreeHouse Foods, Inc. (???-2007), and serving on the board of directors of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Doesn't sound much like a home-body. Also, Wikipedia says she went on to "public sector" positions in the Chicago city government after working at the law firm, not necessarily "work for the betterment of her inner city community".
Karl Rove was indicted
He was? When, on what charges? I think you're getting punch drunk from drinking too much kool-aid.
Bush can't even string two sentences together without mangling it..that says it all.
Oh, you mean like Barack when he doesn't have a teleprompter? What does that say about him?
Posted by: It Takes a Village to Convene A Grand Jury on September 20, 2008 01:39 AMhey maybe if you got you head out in the fresh aire you might write better, I was going to revise it -100 to 15, I guess your math is up to to the task. Guess you like mixing apples and oranges.
Posted by: Ron K on September 20, 2008 03:36 AMO-yes, the great state income tax. It sure works well doesn't it. Say like Calif who is what 15 billion in the hole. If the dem's can tax it, they well!
Look out Ron K.
I think Proteus went to the same college as Obama did. LOL
We know how 'smart' they are.
Your Slavery Party hackery is showing! I guess you do not read ANY media:
Obama lied about his vote against the live birth abortion ban. There have multiple threads talking about this fact right here at SP.
And you call me a wingnut? Your head is so far up the Obamassiah's posterior you're counting his fillings. You Slavery Party hacks - and yes, that is what you are for denying the very thing that Obama has in fact confirmed just shows the depths of your ignorance and hate.
Fine, support Obama all you want, but understand this: you are in fact supporting a confirmed supporter of baby killing. There is no equivocation about this. Murdering babies in the name of convenience is where you find yourself if you support that man.
It can't be concern over the mother's life for the baby is already born. It can't be for concern over inconvenience during the pregnancy since the child is already born. It can't be a choice any more since it is a living, breathing, viable person.
Oh wait, it can. The Obamassiah said so.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Oops... Obama just struck out that first one - you don't have the right to Life if you're "inconvenient" to another person.
So tell me, Proteus, at what age is it no longer OK to kill a baby? One day? One month? One year? When does it go from being acceptable in the eyes of your Slavery Party to being something bad? When do human rights start?
Because your Obamassiah said that the issue of human rights starting is beyond his pay grade, and we know he thinks they cannot start any earlier than at least one day after birth...
I say it again, Proteus:
If you believe that a living, breathing baby should be murdered, you are NOT qualified to be President.
That does simply trump all.
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 20, 2008 09:06 AMActually proteus,historically the nazi's would be the ones calling for the death of a child who is born and a viable human being. Make no mistake, the DNC is the party Hitler would most associate himself with if he were alive today. Aren't you proud?
Obama the Sith will lose the election because he is a black racist, incompetent, immoral, and untrustworthy.
Again:
Obama the Sith will lose the election because he is a black racist, incompetent, immoral, and untrustworthy.
His similarly afflicted mattoidal myrmidons will be identified and neutralized.
Posted by: The Pirate on September 20, 2008 09:32 AMIf Obama wins this election, it will be because of undetected voter fraud, thanks to his ACORN comrades that he has funded to get out the vote - to illegal aliens, convicted felons, dead people or fictional names. That will poison our election system.
John McCain needs to show the light of day on the fraud perpetrated by Barack Hussein. If you think the current economy is bad now, you ain't seen nothin yet if Barack Hussein Obama is elected. He also should demonstrate that he is a bonafide Marxist and will attempt to transform us into Western Europe with increase entitlements bigger government and corruption that will come with it. Besides invoking the Fairness Doctrine, he'll ramrod through Universal Health care (more Governmental control than Hillary Clinton would have had), open our borders more and probably legalize gay marriage and proceed to change traditions - all of this with the help of a Democrat controlled congress. He will be the second term of Jimmy Carter in a much more dangerous world.
This is the type of country that Proteus, AFSMP, Demokid, tensor and other pinhead trolls want. We need to defeat them and their ilk for the sake of our future !!
Posted by: KS on September 20, 2008 10:16 AMThe rest of your thread is more of the same screed of half-truths. I challenge you to look at yourself in the mirror. You want to elect Barack Hussein Obama to give you, Proteus, AFSMP, Demokid, tensor and other pinhead trolls the beginning of the end of this imperfect but great nation. We must defeat you and your ilk for the sake of our future !!
Just maybe you should read a tad bit more fool. It was YOUR type of GOV that stuck it's nose in BIZ that caused this mess.
Redlining was done for a good reason. Dem's took that away and look what we have today.
Prejudice among Dems may cost Obama votes
DEMS
Poll: Racial views in his own party may cost Obama
in his own party
AP-Yahoo News: Race And Competency Drive White Democrats Away From Obama
White Democrats
You were saying?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on September 20, 2008 02:32 PM" You want to elect Barack Hussein Obama to give you and the other pinhead trolls the beginning of the end of this imperfect but great nation. We must defeat you and your ilk for the sake of our future !!"
Carry on.
Posted by: KS on September 20, 2008 03:13 PMYou mean the black scarecrow ?
Posted by: KS on September 20, 2008 03:57 PMFalse. Your ASSumption is wrong.
"Are you one of those people who believe that America can continue amassing debt (a trillion here, a trillion there) without suffering the worst possible consequences?"
The Democrats slightly more to do with this than the Republicans because they currently control congress. All incumbents who attempted to do nothing should be voted out in November. Bush has been a fiscal disaster, but if you think he is bad, with Obama, a Marxist and will practice socialism with the expansion of government - it will be much, much worse. I suggest that we look for solutions that will not be easy, but to not give up, like you and your ilk want to do. That is what McCain/Palin will attempt to do with far less corruption than Obama would pollute DC with. Nancy Pelosi is the worst speaker of the House there has ever been.
"You mean the black scarecrow ?"
Ha! Seems like the conservatives are still racists. You've got your KKK card, KS."
You laughed at this, so therefore you are a racist. BTW- that was meant to be a joke and I would vote for Michael Steele or JC Watts for President any day of the week because unlike Obama, both of them have shown good judgment. The truth is that Conservatives are less racist than liberals. Your blithering generalizations are lies. Try a more cogent argument, otherwise you are clogging this blog with your quasi-fascistic drivel.
I hear Michael Moore calling you.
False. Your ASSumption is wrong.
"Are you one of those people who believe that America can continue amassing debt (a trillion here, a trillion there) without suffering the worst possible consequences?"
The Democrats had slightly more to do with this than the Republicans because they currently control congress. All incumbents who attempted to do nothing should be voted out in November. Bush has been a fiscal disaster, but if you think he is bad, with Obama, a Marxist and will practice socialism with the expansion of government - it will be much, much worse. I suggest that we look for solutions that will not be easy, but to not give up, like you and your ilk want to do. That is what McCain/Palin will attempt to do with far less corruption than Obama would pollute DC with. Nancy Pelosi is the worst speaker of the House there has ever been.
"You mean the black scarecrow ?"
Ha! Seems like the conservatives are still racists. You've got your KKK card, KS."
You laughed at this, so therefore you are a racist. BTW- that was meant to be a joke and I would vote for Michael Steele or JC Watts for President any day of the week because unlike Obama, both of them have shown good judgment. The truth is that Conservatives are less racist than liberals. Your blithering generalizations are lies. Try a more cogent argument, otherwise you are clogging this blog with your quasi-fascistic drivel.
I hear Michael Moore calling you.
Bottom line: Obama voted to allow baby murders right here in the US. A child born, a child killed. That is the legacy of your chosen Slavery Party and your chosen candidate.
Obama supports killing babies because they're inconvenient. That is the position you take.
And about the KKK? Talk to Robert Byrd about that...
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on September 20, 2008 09:02 PM"Baby murders"...please, give it up, its complete bullshit and you know it. Nobody is killing babies that have been born. The wingnuts have been trying to claim that a fetus is "born" during an abortion, and by banning that, trying to ban abortion. Anyway..its a minor social issue, we have far more serious problems..
As to the economy? Let see. Going back to 1929, GDP growth and job creation under Democrat administrations has been significantly higher than under Republicans. Undeniable fact. Period. End of story. Democrats are better for the economy. Guess hiring Ivy League intellectuals into your administration rather than cronies actually leads to more competent government? Hey..imagine that! Bush finally got the right guy in Treasury..too late to avoid the damage, but hopefully in time to minimize it.
Oh..and please explain how single payer universal healthcare is bad? Every other western nation has it. I'm not talking Canada and and Britain here (fully socialized care), but the rest of Europe. Lets see, doctors are private. Hospitals are private. The only thing nationalized is the medical insurance industry..which is completely FUBAR in this country anyways. Whats not to love? Our current system is CRIPPLING us economically, and greatly reducing our competitiveness compared to the rest of the world.
Posted by: Proteus on September 20, 2008 11:56 PM