This morning, Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed was on the Kirby Wilbur show, discussing ACORN's registration campaigns. Reed has come to the same conclusions that I have:
By now, there have so many of these incidents, in so many places, in so many elections, that we must conclude that ACORN operates so as to encourage fraudulent registrations — intentionally.
That's a harsh charge, but I think the evidence supports it. They hire practically anyone, including people with criminal records. When they can, they pay their workers by the number of registrations they turn in. Not valid registrations, just registrations. Inevitably some of these workers cheat. And I am absolutely convinced that the people who run ACORN (and similar groups) know that some of their workers will cheat.
Kudos to Reed for saying what needs to be said, especially during this campaign.
(I have had my differences with Reed over the years, particularly on mail ballots, but I think that he deserves considerable credit for improving election administration in this state. And, of course, he has been far better than his Democratic opponents. So I won't hesitate when I vote for Reed this November.)
Posted by Jim Miller at October 09, 2008 12:42 PM | Email ThisThank god I don't have to defend today's corrupt GOP slimeballs.
The dow is down 600 plus points TODAY, and the top 1% is looting our treasury, and you are worried about a couple people registering twice because the Republiconvicts in charge of registrations will probably be throwing out their registration anyway.
We need to remove the stain of the Republiconvict Party from the body politic.
Posted by: All Facts Support My Positions on October 9, 2008 12:57 PMThe DOW is tanking for one reason and one reason only- fears of an Obama presidency.
Posted by: swatter on October 9, 2008 01:07 PMA big piece of that panic is the failure of Fannie and Freddie - they are the 'insurance' for a very large pile of derivatives that no one can decipher quickly.
Fannie and Freddie were in the business of buying up risky loans made by other banks.
ACORN was suing banks that didn't meet a thirty percent quota of insane loans.
Barack was their lawyer.
Posted by: Al on October 9, 2008 01:15 PMTime for RICO
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 9, 2008 01:36 PMReaganomics has once and for all hit a dead end. Now we have to pay for Friedman's economic fantasies.
Maybe if the justice department was investigating corporate criminals defrauding investors, instead of practicing voter suppression, we would not have these problems....
Maybe president Obama will lock up half of Wall Street's crooks. Waddaya think? After 8 years of looking the other way, and looting by Bush's (have more) base, what do we need? More of the same?
Let the right wing Republicon nazi noise machine cry about acorn all they want. Anything to hide the fact that their minions are purging legitimate voters by the tens of thousands.
Republicons are a disease.
Posted by: All Facts Support My Positions on October 9, 2008 01:43 PMWere talking ACORN.
Gezzz the guy needs trainig wheels for blogs.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 9, 2008 01:49 PMWere talking ACORN.
Stay on topic.
'"You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want--they do not care" said Lateala Goins, 21, who was also subpoenaed. She added that she never put down an addresson any of the registration forms, just her name.'
'A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 TIMES OVER 18 MONTHS.'
Oh. My. Goodness. And to think that Barack Obama has given this group $800,000 to go out and commit fraud over and over and over.
Obama has terrible, horrible judgment. he thinks this kind of activity is okay. Otherwise he wouldn't fund it. He thinks it's okay to advise Odinga on his wretched campaign to put Sharia law into place in Kenya. He thinks it's great to go to a racially explosive church that supports Farrakhan and Hamas. His wife thinks this is "just a mean country." He thought it was just fine to kick off his political career at the house of a terrorist who was on the FBI's most Wanted List. He is close with Khalid Al Monsoor, who helped him get into Harvard and who tells blacks to "tear the flesh off white people because God wants you to."
America doesn't even know the real Obama. What a colossal disgrace to his own country Obama is. What horrible judgment he has. He is not worthy to lead this great nation.
Posted by: Michele on October 9, 2008 01:58 PMI heard about your L&I bill. Sorry )-:
But no tax increase, right.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 9, 2008 01:59 PMACORN, Barack Obama and Democratic party...
ACORN in Ohio: Voter registration can't be totally fraud free...
Ohio GOP sues over voter ID discrepancies...
Affidavit: Inmates hired as canvassers by ACORN...
Ex-ACORN employee/inmate: Co-workers were "lazy crackheads"...
Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration...
Report: Voter purges in 6 states may violate law...
WA STATE: 16,000 under age voters...
Indiana: More Registered to Vote Than Eligible...
RNC: ACORN Undermining Electoral System...
'HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM'
UPDATE: Alleging fraud, authorities raid ACORN in Vegas; canvassers filled out forms with fake names...
The fraud is so widespread, the Feds may get involved
UPDATE: Obama's buddies at ACORN engaging in vote fraud in Indy
ACORN Obama, ACORN Obama, ACORN Obama
Barack Obama Trying To Deny His Ties To ACORN Now?
Las Vegas ACORN Office Raided in Voter Fraud Probe
More Dead, Underage And Fictitious Voter Registrations in Indiana, From ACORN
Michigan Branch Of ACORN Putting Through "Sizable, Duplicate, Fraudulent Voter Applications
ACORN In The News Again For Workers Registering Dead Voters And Others
More ACORN fraud (What Else is New?)
Sowing ACORNs to reap the biggest oak tree in Washington, DC
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 9, 2008 01:59 PMThere are lots of good ways to reduce truck congestion and pollution at the ports. Problem is it requires people to actually do their jobs.
Posted by: Vince on October 9, 2008 02:00 PM"HUD: Five Million Fraudulent Mortages Held by Illegals--The problem began years ago when banks were FORCED TO GIVE MORTGAGES WITHOUT CONFIRMING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER OR BORROWER IDENTIFICATION. As a result, (five million) illegal immigrants were able to obtain home mortgages which they could not afford.
One illegal alien was arrested this year in Tucson after allegedly using a stolen social security number to buy two homes and rack up over $780,000 in bad debt."
Thanks, democrats. Thanks a lot.
My personal mortgage is one of them. I went through Wamu when they were pushing ARMs. As a consultant, income flexes mightily. But the loan broker had no problem. "Let me just double-check those numbers with the Maes." he said. He typed on the computer and said sure, we'll give you the loan.
He wasn't worried about meeting Wamu's standards, he was going to resell my loan immediately.
Posted by: Al on October 9, 2008 02:27 PMDon't exppect any more from Sam Reed and you will not be disapointed.
Posted by: JDH on October 9, 2008 02:50 PMChicago's US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald is involved in a multi-state RICO ACORN investigation that is headed straight for Obama and other infamous Democrats.
New evidence is showing Obama has been/is a member of the radical Democratic Socialist Party of America.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/08/will-msm-report-obama-membership-socialist-new-party
Yesterday I saw several black men in Obama shirts harrassing white people in a Safeway. Looks like the black militancy shown in Shark's video is here.
Obama, Ayers, Wright, ACORN, et al., are, and have been, engaged in Russian-Gramscian low intensity guerilla warfare and clandestine Marxist revolution against the United States and are de facto illegal combatants, i.e., Outlaws, under the Law of Armed Conflict. As Outlaws they have no Constitutional rights and fall under the jurisdiction of military tribunals, e.g., at Gitmo. Traditionally, Outlaws have been sentenced to indeterminate prison sentences or death.
Obama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped.
We have that newfangled voter registration database and we have the google maps API. It should be pretty easy to automate the flagging of ACORN submissions based on invalid addresses, duplicate data, and any other factors that would flag a registration as suspicious.
Personally, I don't understand why we don't require people to *prove* their eligibility before allowing them to vote. If Sam Reed really wanted to make a large difference, he'd push for the creation of a voter advocates office that helps people prove they are an eligible voter. Then pushing for a law to require proof of eligibility to be able to vote.
The voter advocate office would be the other side of the secretary of state's office. The secretary of state's office would do all they can to clean out the database while the voter advocate's office would do all they could to help eligible people get in or stay in the database.
The end result is that the accusations of disenfranchisement are moot when a voter advocate's office exists. The voter database would undergo regular purges by the secretary of state's office in conjunction with the voter advocates office doing an independent review. This process of course would have to be completely transparent with all of the proposed purges and challenges publicly available.
With all eligible voters proving their eligibility, we'd only have eligible voters voting.
Posted by: blindman on October 9, 2008 03:01 PMWhen's the next UFO landing going to occur?
BTW, no American can be stripped of their constitutional rights. We have treason laws to deal with saboteurs.
The fact that you suggest that American's should be deemed enemy combatants makes you more of an enemy of the people than the people you're accusing. You're tearing at the very fabric of our society when you espouse those views. If we can't prove their guilt withing the framework of our criminal legal system then they aren't guilty, period.
Posted by: blindman on October 9, 2008 03:09 PMBut, you know, up till now, we haven't heard a lot of what Obama did as a community activist/organizer. Why is that? For a long time, I was the first to ridicule the gent as an "empty suit".
But now, I am hearing (Stanley Kurtz, for example) a lot of radical activities that the gent was involved with over a couple of decades. That ONE has been busy and I have to take back my ridicule.
While it may or may not come out before the election, Obama's associations with the radical elements in Chicago shows a whole lot of poor judgements, and at least, too much opportunism.
As for the Pirate post, I believe him when he says a group of men with t-shirts caused trouble at a grocery store or whatever. I will agree with you, though, that I don't think this is systemic and really a movement ala Hitlerian. But, I don't laugh, either. The blacks are expecting big things from Barry.
The last couple of paragraphs seem a little over-the-top.
Posted by: swatter on October 9, 2008 03:20 PMUm, DM, we're not trying to blame someone else, this thread is about our Secretary of State, Sam Reed going on the radio and saying that ACORN encourages voter fraud.
We're just trying to stay on topic. When there is a post about the economy, then by all means, you're welcome to go nuts with all your links to graphs and stuff.
Posted by: blindman on October 9, 2008 03:43 PMUsually I am professional but you can only fight crazy with crazy :-)
I think public ridicule is a vastly underrated check on people's stupidity. We should be pointing and laughing more. Maybe people would start to think twice before opening their mouths.
Posted by: blindman on October 9, 2008 03:46 PMIn general, our libel laws provide almost no protection to public officials -- but they do provide some protection to private individuals.
Note to other commenters: Please do not feed trolls. Mock them if you can be funny doing so, but otherwise ignore them. And you may want to review my post on Ignoratio Elenchi.
Posted by: Jim Miller on October 9, 2008 03:53 PMMore to the point, how do you propose to run them out of the state (preferably on a rail with some tar and feathers)? Until you articulate that, you are just another Republican wimp letting the thugs and thieves of the Democrat Party run roughshod over you.
One of these days we will start electing Republicans who see Democrats as the real enemy that must be defeated at all costs. Certainly that is how they see Americans.
Posted by: iconoclast on October 9, 2008 04:20 PMThe state is still looking for a seventh worker.
And Reed is encouraging other states to learn from our bad experience.
Posted by: Jim Miller on October 9, 2008 04:42 PMWe'ree seeing how that's true.
Posted by: SouthernRoots on October 9, 2008 05:27 PMWho will have the stones in this administration to sick the U.S. Attorney General on this obvious violation of the RICO statutes? Where the hell is the Justice Department on this?
You know if the Administration of Empty Suit/Stuffed Shirt gets into the Whitehouse they'll turn a blind eye just like the good little Marxist puppets they are.
Wake the hell up America!!
Especially you single digit IQ obamunnists.
Thank for your response. I was aware of several Acorn prosecutions and am very happy that they were successful.
But Sam Reed supported the settlement with Acorn, which allowed Acorn to continue to operate in this state. Instead of layers of compliance (which will fail, given that King County is responsible for adherence), just throw them out of the state.
Maybe if more states would do that we would have less problem with vote fraud.
Not only that, but there is no proof whatsoever that this is systematic. None. This is a Republican bogeyman which will be used to support the ludicrous idea that this election was stolen.
The only people that are affected here are Democrats, who are getting inflated voter registration numbers from shoddy ACORN employees.
And face it... even with all the crybaby whining Republicans are doing, you're still going to lose. Heck, the governor's race is close, even with Rossi running on the "GOP Party" ticket with a far better media campaign.
Posted by: demo kid on October 9, 2008 06:32 PMJudge Smith said Brunner's ..."refusal to comply with federal law raises serious concerns about her ability to objectively oversee this election. It's especially troubling in light of her connection to ACORN and that group's stunning confession this week of fraudulent registration activity happening right here in Ohio, he said."
Bring on the RICO investigation into this corrupt organization and bury it with legal fees and prison garb for the perpetrators.
Posted by: Rick D. on October 9, 2008 06:59 PMYeah, it is the eeevvviiiiillll Republicans preventing every living (and a few dead) souls from voting as early and as often as possible. They are so stupid as to think that a fraudulent registration is a perquisite to voter fraud. How dumb is that?
Posted by: iconoclast on October 9, 2008 07:21 PMI'm waiting for the wingnuts to describe exactly how ACORN's sloppy work would do the Democrats a service.
Posted by: demo kid on October 9, 2008 07:52 PMDemocrats as a whole, not a bit.
ACORN's game is, in general to "overload the system" with garbage in the hopes of breaking it. That's why they were so big on pushing bad loans, even as they knew the people they were "advocating" for were going to get screwed.
I'm not sure, but I suspect that in this case, the intent is to overload the system with noise such that it can't detect fraud.
Posted by: Dishman on October 9, 2008 08:45 PMObama and his insurgents are grave threats to our national security, and they must be stopped.
So 12 out of 50 states (or is it 60 states? Obama has me confused on the exact number these days-but I digress) isn't systematic for you? Besides that, those are only the ones that have been smoked out so far and you know in your heart of hearts, that this is more prevalent than you're letting on.
That sentence reminded me of Bwaney Fwank in those hearing on Fannie/Freddie saying that there is no proof that there is any kind of shenanigan's going on with those organizations...ignoring the obvious, we have the result over the past month of that keen insight by an absolute doltish group like Meeks, Waters, Fwanks, etc.
What is it with the Democrats and telling the truth?
Ignorance, Pride or just plain blind partisanship?
If I may be so bold, I will tell you exactly what Sam Reed is going to do about ACORN. Not a damn thing. He is going to run his big fat piehole and he is going to gladhand every loser with any power. Ya' see it isn't about upholding the office, it is about Sam Reed keeping his hands on the reins of power.
If I am wrong on this one and Sam Reed has done anything meaningful by 2012, dinner is on me and you name the restaurant.
I wouldn't trust him to operate a toilet plunger or hand a guy a clean hand towel. Wouldn't even hire him as a washroom attendant, won't vote for him for any office. A disgrace to the office.
Posted by: JDH on October 9, 2008 08:49 PMReed has failed us. He has failed us on illegal alien registration. He has failed us on legal ID TO vote. And he has failed in his efforts to keep convicted felons from voting, because it's "too hard."
Telling us the obvious... that ACORN is an organization financed by the leftwing using tax dollars for the purpose of scamming fraudulent votes for leftist candidates... does nothing to indicate that he should be re-elected.
Posted by: Hinton on October 9, 2008 08:49 PMYou lose this argument. Again, Republicans are losing, and need a scapegoat. Bunch of whiners.
Posted by: demo kid on October 9, 2008 11:32 PMFreaking out folks thinking about all the ways this freaks you out think about this. Some kind of standards must exist so:
1-You don't have to lie about the appearance that our current system gives. The current system has integrity problems written all over it.
2-You hide behind all these loopholes shelling all with charges of every "ism" while gerrymandering the outcomes. Until I am provided proof otherwise that Dean Logan did not supervise the statistically improbable turn around in the third and absolutely final recount well you get the point-deliberate violent fraud occurred.
3-Being an American does not mean being entitled to a dictatorship or taking part in it. Is Christine Going to Campaign or Sue? How many suits have been filed so far? How many suits has the One filed? How many political prisoners had the One had taken so far? You freaking out folks know full well that you will dismantle free and fair elections.
4-The mercy upon you for living in this land is not a right condoning the privileged to destroy the mercy for everyone else from now and into the future.
5-Voting should not be easy. You should make an investment in voting. That ownership will show voters to pick those that see leadership as a place of service rather than seeing leadership as a place to be worshipped.
6-Government power will decrease to the point of proving a military, transportation and a legal system.
7-We will then look good in the eyes of the rest of the world because we would not look corrupt
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I guess this story does not matter to Demo Kid either:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/09/judge-rules-ohio-secretary-of-state-violated-federal-election-law/
That is right a Federal Judge has ruled that the SOS in Ohio has violated Federal Law in her diregard for validation of newly registerd voters (most of them by ACORN surprise surprise, but once again to Demo Kid that makes no difference.
What Demo Kid is not realizing is this is not a Democrat or Republican issue this effects everyone who votes legally. When voter fraud run rampant it hurts whoever wins, because it casts doubt on the legitimacy of their win and that in turn casts doubt on the voting system as a whole. The way I look at it is I would rather see a clean and fair election with a verifiable winner (even if it is not the side I would want to win)than one where a candidate wins and there is doubt as to whether or not they won legitimately.
On another note, I did see where the EFF has sues SOS Reed over the fact that since 2000 there have been 16,000 ineligible teenagers that have been registered to vote.
Posted by: TrueSoldier on October 10, 2008 03:14 AMYou're a coward, sir, and a liar.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 05:07 AM@ 47~ So, in your thinking, illegally registering to vote is not an indication that you are intending to cast an illegal vote in an election, right? That is an absolute naive and or/blindly partisan position to hold.
We should all be calling for an investigation into voter fraud since it diminishes every legal vote cast. This isn't a red or blue argument, but a right and wrong one.
Posted by: Rick D. on October 10, 2008 05:34 AMAnd in terms of "points made", you haven't proven anything. You're just whining.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 06:34 AMYou have NO proof, and you've just admitted it. Unless the people that bad ACORN workers culled from phone books or their favorite sports teams miraculously show up at the polls, I fail to see where voter fraud can occur.
Heck, some states force ACORN to put in registration forms they flag as bad, and then accuse them later of fraud.
So again, repeat after me: there have never been any cases of voter fraud related to ACORN. Not ONE. NO charges have been brought against the organization itself. NONE.
So stop lying and whining, and just face the facts.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 06:43 AM...and yet we wonder why their is so much unchecked corruption in Washington D.C. and elsewhere in government. No accountability needed or sought by the apathetic American public. I guess we get what we deserve in the end- this time quite literally.
Meanwhile, Michael Ramirez illustrates what everyone else is thinking.
Well, except those with Kool-aid colored mustaches.
In Ohio, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Wednesday that local ACORN representatives told members of the Cuyahoga County elections board that they could not eliminate voter fraud from their operation.
Gee just a bit of an admission of guilt in that statment. Yeah yeah I know Demo Kid until someone is convicted in ACORN's heirarchy it doesn't prove anything it is nothing but multiple investigations (up to at least 11 different states with the FBI now doing the investigation and at least one case of the ACORN offices being raided) that are just a matter of coincidence nation wide. There did I cover your talking points well enough this time for you?
Posted by: TrueSoldier on October 10, 2008 06:58 AMA)"I see no harm in illegally registering voters"
B) "There is no proof that now that these Illegal voters are registered, that they will actually vote in an election illegally"
Can someone figure out this square peg/round hole logic and explain it to me? I see one common word used in the illogic above, one word that pretty much lays waste to any flailing attempt at a legitimate argument to the contrary.
Posted by: Rick D. on October 10, 2008 07:05 AMNo... it's just another bunch of flim-flam on your part, gutless whiner.
A)"I see no harm in illegally registering voters"
Lie. I said that you haven't provided proof that illegal voting can occur.
B) "There is no proof that now that these Illegal voters are registered, that they will actually vote in an election illegally"
The only thing that's true in that statement is that there is no proof that this will result in systematic voter fraud.
Of course, there's also nothing stopping some 15-year-old from picking up a voter registration form, filling it out, and mailing it into the WA Secretary of State.
Can someone figure out this square peg/round hole logic and explain it to me? I see one common word used in the illogic above, one word that pretty much lays waste to any flailing attempt at a legitimate argument to the contrary.
You don't use logic. You swallow whatever you want to hear to justify the fact that you're losing. You're a fraud.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 07:18 AMBecause yeah, it takes so much courage for a Republican to bash ACORN. The man-bites-dog story, of course, would be for a Republican to actually show some appreciation for groups that try to involve more people in our democracy. Is ACORN perfect? Obviously not. But by all accounts, the group tries hard to prevent illegal registrations (e.g. by immediately firing any staff member found to have obtained them), and it is doing yeoman's work in helping our democracy live up to its promise. If Reed had said THAT, then I'd also be willing to give him some kudos.
Posted by: sniper19 on October 10, 2008 07:44 AM"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.
Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.
ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.
It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.
Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio's Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.
Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it's a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay "compensation on a fee-per-registration" system when signing up someone to vote.
Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He'd collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.
The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," she said.
ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.
ACORN's political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.
During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.
In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.
"No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote," he said.
It's a right Johnson will exercise. "Yeah, I've registered enough - I might as well vote."
jeane.macintosh@nypost.com
He's an establishment hack, but he's at least not totally blind. The fact that he's willing to call out ACORN is enough for me to reluctantly give him my vote.
Posted by: Cliff on October 10, 2008 08:20 AMEven CNN is all over the ACORN fraud that's occurring daily. The fact you REFUSE to acknowledge this blatant attempt to steal elections tells me that you really are Machiavellian at heart - the end justifies the means. Get "That One" elected by whatever means possible...
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 10, 2008 08:25 AMNothing to see here folks, just move along...afterall, fraudulently registering to vote is not an indication that you actually intend to fraudulently vote.
Idiot logic employed by ideological idiots.
You are a LIAR, sir!
COUNT the ways:
ACORN, Barack Obama and Democratic party...
ACORN in Ohio: Voter registration can't be totally fraud free...
Ohio GOP sues over voter ID discrepancies...
Affidavit: Inmates hired as canvassers by ACORN...
Ex-ACORN employee/inmate: Co-workers were "lazy crackheads"...
Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration...
Report: Voter purges in 6 states may violate law...
WA STATE: 16,000 under age voters...
Indiana: More Registered to Vote Than Eligible...
RNC: ACORN Undermining Electoral System...
'HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM'
UPDATE: Alleging fraud, authorities raid ACORN in Vegas; canvassers filled out forms with fake names...
The fraud is so widespread, the Feds may get involved
UPDATE: Obama's buddies at ACORN engaging in vote fraud in Indy
ACORN Obama, ACORN Obama, ACORN Obama
Barack Obama Trying To Deny His Ties To ACORN Now?
Las Vegas ACORN Office Raided in Voter Fraud Probe
More Dead, Underage And Fictitious Voter Registrations in Indiana, From ACORN
Michigan Branch Of ACORN Putting Through "Sizable, Duplicate, Fraudulent Voter Applications
ACORN In The News Again For Workers Registering Dead Voters And Others
More ACORN fraud (What Else is New?)
Sowing ACORNs to reap the biggest oak tree in Washington, DC
MORE FRAUD? ACORN Files Voting Rights Suit on Behalf of Imaginary-Americans...
MORE FRAUD? Over 1/2 of ACORN applications in Indiana county 'no good'...
ACORN: A Clear and Present Danger
Obama camp downplays payments to ACORN
House Republicans demand end to federal funding of ACORN
ACORN seldom falls far from the tree
Is ACORN Stealing The Election?
Over 2,000 Fake Registrations Forms From ACORN Found In India
Obama campaign now publishing lies on his ties to Acorn
Breaking News: Ohio Vote Fraud Alert
Until then, you're just a partisan hack, and a liar to boot. There is NO VOTE FRAUD IN OHIO. None. Read all of those articles, and provide me proof that illegal votes were cast.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 01:31 PMummm, i'm pretty sure that Ohbummer would prefer to have worded that some other way given his ties to this organization and the recent revelations of rampant and systematic voter fraud committed by them. Where there's smoke there's fire.....some will say otherwise until they are directly under the burning embers , but all and all, that adage rings true.
Add one more to the Gaffe-factory DNC duo of Dumb/Dumber 2008. ..and remember kids, you can't spell DUNCE without a D,N,C
Posted by: Rick D. on October 10, 2008 02:06 PMWakey wakey... the election HASN'T been held yet.
Maybe we should delay the election until all the dead and fraudulent are REMOVED.
There is NO VOTE FRAUD IN OHIO. None.
Court rules against Brunner on absentee application case
Judge rules Ohio Secretary of State violated federal election law; plus ACORN victim on tape
Nah, There is NO VOTE FRAUD IN OHIO.
Get a clue.
ACORN may face new charges in PA; Update: Video added
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 10, 2008 03:01 PMQuestion for ya. Since you're so smart and all. Since voter fraud is a felony and all that, can you tell us how many people in the past 4 years have been prosecuted for voter fraud? And how many of those people have been found guilty?
Just wondering,
The Cookie Monster
Posted by: the cookie monster on October 10, 2008 04:48 PM@69: Wow... proved my point! Problems with registration are fundamentally different than actual fraudulent voting. Heck, you could register yourself fraudulently in exactly the same way. What exactly do you think you've proved here, you idiotic hack? You have nothing but paranoia and circumstantial evidence.
Posted by: demo kid on October 10, 2008 04:49 PMDo you think there is a correlation between people who commit voter fraud and people who eat arugula? Besides being libtards, that is?
The Cookie Monster
Posted by: the cookie monster on October 10, 2008 04:53 PMAnd really commie kid, "you idiotic hack", if you smell smoke coming from your kitchen, slug down another beer or two and don't ASSume your hovel is on fire.
IF your Mumbling Marxist wins, it will be a delight to scream vote fraud (a la Bush/Gore 2000) loudly and often until he's impeached or run out of office with tar and feathers.... sadly it will be at the expense of the country.
What do Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy have in common?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 10, 2008 07:09 PMHas it translated to "voter fraud"? YES!
Has it translated to "voter fraud" in ELECTION 2008? No not yet... BECAUSE, "you idiotic hack" election 2008 hasn't happened yet.
But hey that smoke billowing out of your kitchen isn't a full blown house fire YET either so sit right back, put your tootsies up, slug back that beer and enjoy your oblivion.
Oh! Before you've totally pickled what little brain you may have been born with, you might ask yourself WHAT REASON COULD THE ACORN THUGS *HAVE* FOR SIGNING UP HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BOGUS VOTERS.
What's in it for them?
And how do we remedy it IF the election is held with their felonious actions.
Try reading and educating yourself. Voter role corruption IS a type of voter fraud. Pure and simple. Only when you are such a Slavery Party hack that you simply have to "look nice somehow" will you so narrowly define it as you are.
Bottom line: corruption of voter roles IS voter fraud. ACORN has been convicted dozens of times of corrupting voter roles with fraudulent voter registrations in many states. ACORN is guilty of voter fraud.
So you and That One can enjoy wallowing in voter fraud with your pals at ACORN.
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 10, 2008 10:17 PMI am confident that with his absolute certainty he will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and me in calling upon the Secretary's of State in Missouri, Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada North Carolina, Washington, Connecticut, Wisconsin and Florida NOT open any absentee ballots and NOT to certify their election results until the FBI has thoroughly investigated the "irregularities" and cleansed their voting rolls if any were found.
After all, when a commie-kid is certain, surely he'll put his results where his big mouth is. Right?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 10, 2008 11:26 PMNothing that you've said disproves either of those two facts.
And as far as this choice quote:
WHAT REASON COULD THE ACORN THUGS *HAVE* FOR SIGNING UP HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BOGUS VOTERS.
How do you know that there are "hundred of thousands of bogus voters"? You have NO proof of that either.
You're just whining. Face it... your guy is losing, and you want an excuse why American voters are rejecting your bankrupt policies.
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 12:10 AMThe proof that registration - electoral role - corruption IS a form of vote fraud is linked in 79. Read it and learn.
In fact, you really didn't read and of Ragnar's links, did you? It was documented PROOF - in court cases even - of FRAUDULENT VOTER REGISTRATIONS. And you have the balls to say "where's the proof of bogus voters"?
How about looking no further than King County, here in Washington. There are literally HUNDREDS of DOCUMENTED cases where there are more votes cast than voters registered.
So between fraudulent voter registrations (voter fraud) and excess ballots cast (voter fraud), what don't you understand about voter fraud?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 11, 2008 08:13 AMhttp://www.realchangenews.org/2008/2008_05_14/acorn_v15n21.html
If Obama wins, his policies will throw us into a depression and his socialist policies will change the government as we know it.
Stalin/Castro/Acorn/Obama ...See a theme
Posted by: WaFlyGuy on October 11, 2008 10:19 AMI am so relieved that commie-kid is just absolutely sure that the ACORN "irregularities" will NOT result in election fraud.
I am confident that with his absolute certainty he will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and me in calling upon the Secretary's of State in Missouri, Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada North Carolina, Washington, Connecticut, Wisconsin and Florida NOT open any absentee ballots and NOT to certify their election results until the FBI has thoroughly investigated the "irregularities" and cleansed their voting rolls if any were found.
After all, when a commie-kid is certain, surely he'll put his results where his big mouth is. Right?
Waiting...
Waiting...
Waiting...
WAITING!
RUN, Forrest-commie kid! RUN!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 11, 2008 01:40 PMhttp://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/
Stealing Pennsylvania: "Massive Fraud"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=14034
ACORN: Not the Face of Change
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28965
Barack Obama's Involvement with ACORN Unearthed, Missing Article Recovered
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203
McCain hits Obama hard on ACORN
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/mccain-camp-drives-obama-acorn-connection/
Obama encourages early voting in Ohio
That way, supporters can spend Election Day 'getting other people' to polls
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/10/obama_encourages_early_voting.html
Obama and His ACORNs - What Tangled Webs Are Woven
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-and-his-acorns-what-tangled-webs.html
Obama And ACORN And Ayers Oh My
http://takeastandagainstliberals.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-and-acorn-one-more-sick-piece-of.html
Obama and ACORN
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/11/obama-and-acorn.php
New John McCain Ad Links Barack Obama And ACORN.....Finally
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-john-mccain-ad-links-barack-obama.html
And you have the balls to say "where's the proof of bogus voters"?
I have the balls to say that there is NO PROVEN CONNECTION between this and fraudulent voting. You haven't proven ANYTHING. You're a liar AND a whiner. Go home.
@83: YOOHOO...commie kid! Put your election results where your denial and delusions are!
Denial and delusions are just what Republicans deal with if they think that McCain will win. :)
There is NO PROOF whatsoever that this amounts to voter fraud. These are trumped up charges because the Republicans need someone to blame.
Ironic, too... I'd be keen on going back to see what you had to say about touchscreen voting back in 2004. My bet is that you were calling Democrats a bunch of whiners for thinking that could sway the election...
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 01:58 PMCentre County: The home of Penn State, which enrolls more than 40,000 students at its home campus. Justice Newman said there was a "massive effort" to fraudulently register students, with efforts aimed at "multiple registrations."
And from this article on CNN:
Given the close nature of the presidential race, Jerry Falwell, Jr., chancellor of Liberty University, recently launched an ambitious effort to register all 10,500 eligible student voters at the fundamental Baptist institution in Lynchburg, Virginia.
...
Since the announcement of the registration campaign, students have been offered voter registration forms by resident advisers during residence hall meetings and by professors during class. Jonathan Woods, a junior at Liberty and resident adviser, said he and fellow RAs were instructed to educate their residents about registering to vote during a regular RA meeting.
I would make the claim that with that fervor on the campus, voter registration fraud is possible there. Not to mention by comparable Republican voter registration groups that work out of churches and the like.
Face it... this is ratf*cking, pure and simple. You don't like the potential results of an election, so you discredit the process. Fine, fine work! Worthy of a Third World dictatorship my friend.
(Actually, could you just go to one of those dictatorships and leave the rest of us in peace? You're a sorry excuse for an American, and the rest of us would actually like to get back to the process of rebuilding this country.)
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 02:06 PMIf you're right you have nothing to lose. Put your election results where your certainty is, big mouth! ...#13.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 11, 2008 02:30 PMBut hey, if you're really willing to do this, why not go whole hog? Review ALL absentee ballots from ALL states, including those from military posted overseas. And use criteria that doesn't smack of vote caging.
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 03:07 PMhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/382777_nyballot11.html
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 03:10 PMThe use of voter registration fraud AS voter fraud comes from:
Williamson, Chilton (1968). American Suffrage from Property to Democracy. Princeton, NJ: Princeton U. Press. ASIN B000FMPMK6.
Now, if you have a problem with that cite - as referenced in Wikipedia - you're truly lacking.
Face it - you simply cannot accept that Obama and his friends at ACORN are both involved in voter fraud, as defined by solid references.
So you resort to the usual Slavery Party trick of slime, attack, and innuendo. If only you hacks had the courage and integrity to actually debate openly. You said you wanted to, and you refuse.
Bottom line: voter fraud includes voter roll corruption. The FACT that you support the baby killer Obama, and his voting fraud cohorts at ACORN really says much about your obvious lack of integrity and concern for the Nation.
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 11, 2008 03:17 PMI'd be willing to chalk it up to partisan differences, except for the fact that ACORN is being used simply as a scapegoat for Republican losses. The fact that you cannot consider that possibility indicates your bias in this matter.
Again, there is NO PROOF that these allegations of voter registration problems would account for the massive failure of your party at the national level. But of course, I have yet to hear how you are also concerned about voter registration at Liberty University, voting irregularities with voting machines, vote caging and illegal scrubbing of voter rolls, and so forth.
So if you are actually concerned about whether citizens are afforded the opportunity to exercise the right to vote, and you aren't just a partisan hypocrite and a crybaby, where are your harsh words and passion for these issues?
Posted by: demo kid on October 11, 2008 04:28 PMHow asking the secretary's of state to NOT certify the elections until the sanctity of the rolls is verified "partisan gain", you nitwit?
THAT you cannot agree with it speaks volumes to the fact that you KNOW your ACORN thugs are seeding voting day with illegal and bogus votes for your guy.
Again, there is NO PROOF that these allegations of voter registration problems would account for the massive failure of your party at the national level.
AND the reverse is equally valid, "you idiotic hack" ... let's try shall we?
Again, there is NO PROOF that these allegations of voter registration problems would account for a massive WIN of your party at the national level.
Again, there is NO PROOF that these allegations of voter registration problems WON'T account for the massive failure of your party at the national level.
COWARD.
AND if you are actually in lockstep with YOUR party about free open and FAIR elections, and you aren't just a partisan hypocrite, a COWARD and a crybaby where are your harsh words and passion to have the Secretary's of state in Missouri, Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada North Carolina, Washington, Connecticut, Wisconsin and Florida NOT open any absentee ballots and NOT to certify their election results until the FBI has thoroughly investigated the "irregularities" and cleansed their voting rolls if any were found.
Tit for tat, "you idiotic hack" your own words can be used to support mine.
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 11, 2008 05:17 PMI'll explain it one more time, for it seems your closed mind cannot quite get it:
Corrupting voter rolls IS voter fraud. It allows fraudulent votes to be cast, and because we have secret ballots in this Nation, a fraudulent registration that is voted IS voter fraud.
This very happening - illegal, fraudulent registrations voted - has been found, charged, and proven. Individuals are few and far between because of the secret ballot, but we have dozens and dozens of convictions for illegal registrations.
And they all point back to ACORN.
Now, you'll spin and spin and try to worm away, but the fact is plain for anyone with an actual open, logical mind:
ACORN supports - systematically - voter fraud. Obama has claimed ACORN as his own, even saying they will have direct input in how his administration runs. Obama paid ACORN nearly a million dollars, and was paid by them for legal representation.
Pure and simple: ACORN and Obama are joined at the hip, and the fact he is trying to distance himself from ACORN shows even That One knows they are a dirty, corrupt organization that will hurt him if he's known to be associated with them.
Now, you want to know what I think? Every 4 years the voter rolls are tossed and you have to re-register. Proof of identification and citizenship are REQUIRED to register. And proof of identification is REQUIRED when you vote.
You have a problem with that? That would be a nice, clean, and simple approach to keeping elections clean and fraud-free.
Can you support a complete tossing of the voter rolls and having any voter prove not just identification but citizenship?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 11, 2008 05:24 PMNOTHING you have both said has disproven these three points. And I will agree that voter registration issues should be investigated, don't get me wrong. Sloppy voter registration is more of a problem for Democrats in this case, as it provides an overinflated tally for strategic estimates. But you're both damn fools for making this out to be what it is not.
Posted by: demo kid on October 12, 2008 08:59 AMHA ha ha ha... oh you make my sides hurt with laughter!
Too bad, so sad... YOU are the joke!
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 12, 2008 12:00 PMFace it buddy. The truth could be looking right in the face of DUMB-bo boy and he still could not see it.
Need glasses maybe?
How could over nine states have problems with voter roles and all of them with ACORN people...
I see nothing, nothing!
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 12, 2008 12:14 PMHey, you know just because it's ILLEGAL to submit a false registration does not mean that it's fraud. At least if you're a Slavery Party hack!
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 12, 2008 01:42 PMIt's not BALLOT fraud.
So how's life as a communist, SD?
Posted by: demo kid on October 13, 2008 12:05 AMWhen you have more ballots cast, and more registered voters than people who actually LIVE in the district, that is fraud, pure and simple. And the only way it comes about is voter fraud - fraudulent voter registrations.
Shanghai was wonderful today, about 77, sunny, and a light breeze from the NW. Tomorrow should be the same. And the freedoms here are amazing... Much more so than you could ever understand.
For instance, tonight I took a few friends shooting. We went to the gun range and put 150 rounds through my P-226, then had a great Irish meal at O'Malley's pub - complete with Guinness and hurling on the TVs. I usually blast 300-400 rounds when I'm here, my friends love to go shooting. Which brings up the question, that if the weekend is nice, perhaps some trap shooting in Pudong? Been a while since I've done that!
Tomorrow? Going condo shopping. Prices are down a bit right now so it's a good time to get in. And of course there isn't any property tax once you buy - it's your property.
Of course, the Shanghai Daily's editorial section was pretty full of letters of pissed off people over the construction of subway lines 11 and 13 screwing with traffic too much, but hey people around the world love to publicly complain about their Government, don't they?
I may have to go down to Xiamen later this week - don't know yet, but it's a beautiful time to be in Southern China. Not too hot at all. And no need to register my movements with the Government - I just go to the airport, plunk down 680 RMB and get a ticket that day.
Oh, Communist? Hmmm... I see a very open economy, a rapidly growing middle class, reduced taxes everywhere, and personal responsibility required. There are no "free" services - everything has a minimal copay at the least. If you have no money, you are SOL - you die.
And if you didn't save for retirement, well too bad - the Government doesn't have a requirement to take care of you, just to make sure you have a chance to make money to take care of yourself.
Kind of like that "pursuit of happiness" clause that so many of your kind are trying to mangle and twist!
Yeah, it's Communist all right... I guess names matter more to you than actual actions? I'll let my friends laugh over that when the cast their ballots in the next election.
You know how it works over here? It's a Republic in function. You have direct elections of your local representatives. They elect the Provincial representatives, who in turn elect the National Congress.
Sound familiar? There was another country that used to do that with at least one body of their Congress. It was called the USA, and people elected their local State representatives who elected their Federal Senators...
Oh, last election there was a case of voter fraud in Anhui - box stuffing and payouts. The candidate who led that effort now rests underground - permanently - and his accomplices are spending the rest of their life turning big rocks into little ones. Voter fraud isn't ignored over here.
So, how's everything with That One promising to take the US to where China was in the 70s? Are you still eager to get a bigger welfare check each month from the Government? Still can't understand how 95% of the people will get a tax cut when only 60% pay taxes!
And I also see he's got little classification symbols for everyone so that you can be properly branded for easy sorting. Hmmm, wasn't there another FASCIST in the 1930s who forced little labels on people so the Government could - at a glance - know who was whom?
Over here, I obviously stand out (being a 6 foot tall laowai with a red beard does that), but there's only one people - Chinese. No logos needed, and no matter where you're from inside China you use the same flag, the same passport, and the same symbols.
So you like where your Messiah promises to take things?
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on October 13, 2008 08:05 AMUnless you can predict the future, I haven't the foggiest idea how you know the ballot totals now.
And the freedoms here are amazing... Much more so than you could ever understand.
As a master? Or as a slave? I'd call you a sellout and a hypocrite, but you really are suffering from a remarkable amount of cognitive dissonance.
I'm under no illusions about the realities of life in either place... but to think that the "freedoms" you are afforded as a rich white outsider are universal is laughable.
Posted by: demo kid on October 13, 2008 10:59 AMHarry, my lil' pal...please explain his "corrupt" ties to ACORN!
ACORN has been around since 1970. They do MUCH more than register voters. As a matter of fact, they've helped keep thousands of people from losing their homes by standing up to, and in some cases, taking legal action against predator lenders.
Lil' Harry, what have YOU done to save people from losing their homes? And isn't that what McCain finally is focusing on in his economic package as of today?
You and your small-organ friends learned about ACORN a few days ago from some Hitler-type blog and jumped with glee! Finally, maybe finally we can bring down this Muslim Marxist!
The question as always is: can ANYONE provide proof that Obama conducted an illegal relationship with ACORN? Can ANYONE provide proof that Obama implicitly or explicitly supports these fraudulent processes? Can ANYONE prove that ACORN as a whole is a CORRUPT organization?
Of course not. However, most of you yarblers readily support two candidates who, WITH PROOF, have maintained illegal relationships and who have been cited for abuse by their governing bodies!
Talk about hilarious hypocrisy.
Talk about desperate demagoguery.
Talk about vacuous idiocy of the first order - stand up, Harry, along with the rest of your lil' fools on the hill!
Posted by: NoMoIgnorance on October 14, 2008 07:15 PMIn an August 18th piece on Fannie and Freddie's subprime purchases and guarantees "At the end of June, Fannie Mae owned or guaranteed $388.3 billion of Alt-A and subprime mortgage investments." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/18/AR2008081802111_pf.html. Note the use of the word "guarantee." So much for Mr. "All Facts" ongoing unsubstantiated assertions.
Regarding "NoMoINgnorance"'s advancement of that self-same ignorance at #104 above. He asks the question whether anyone can prove that Acorn AS A WHOLE (his qualification) is corrupt. The mind boggles at the disingenuosnous involved in such a contention. Al Capone AS A WHOLE was arguably not corrupt. Of course, criminal liability nor social reaction/condemnation has never depended, thank God, on such an absurd construction. ACORN has worked diligently to undermine, over and over again, those laws and practices which were instituted to keep election from being stolen. The violations are not new, they are repetitive, and there is no evidence that responsible steps were ever taken to alleviate repetitions. Given that distinctly dishonorable past, it is more than fair to ask questions about Obama's connections to this group, particularly given the multiplicity of such associations in Obama's past. Most people and most candidates do not have such an extensive resume of association with scumbags. Obama needs to be forthcoming about his.
Posted by: barchester on October 14, 2008 09:13 PM
