CORRECTION. I HEAR THIS IS A CLOSED MEETING OF THE 34th DISTRICT DEMOCRATS. MCDERMOTT HAS NOT SCHEDULED A MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC.
The Congressional Budget Office, which works for the Democratic leadership, looked into the cost savings brought by preventive care, but found higher costs, not savings.
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Congressman Jim McDermott, District 7 - most of Seattle and parts of Lake Forest Park, Shoreline and areas south of Seattle - a strong supporter of President Obama's proposal for government-run healthcare, will be having a town hall meeting on healthcare. His Seattle phone # is 206-553-7170.Wednesday, August 12th at 7:00 pm
At The Hall at Fauntleroy, 9131 California Ave. SW, Seattle (West Seattle)
Be informed. Go and tell Distinguished Big Jim the problems with the bills. Be respectful.(He will make sure his supporters are there.)
Posted by Ron Hebron at August 10, 2009 06:45 PM | Email Thisand he's doing a much better job than that hack reichert.
Posted by: mike on August 10, 2009 08:20 PM"A sick 17-year-old girl needs a liver transplant. Doctors find an available organ, and they're ready to operate, but the bureaucracy -- or as Palin would put it, the "death panel" -- steps in and says it won't pay for the surgery. Despite protests from the girl's family and her doctors, the heartless hacks hold their ground for a critical 10 days. Eventually, under massive public pressure, they relent -- but the patient dies before the operation can proceed."
"Long before anyone started talking about government "death panels" or warning that Obama would have the government ration care, 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan, a leukemia patient from Glendale, Calif., died in December 2007, after her parents battled their insurance company, Cigna, over the surgery.
Cigna initially refused to pay for it because the company's analysis showed Sarkisyan was already too sick from her leukemia; the liver transplant wouldn't have saved her life."
The bill says that the government agents, "well-trained and competent staff," would "provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains ... modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices," and "skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development."
Posted by: Medic/Vet on August 11, 2009 06:28 AMNo, the provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending Bill does not say "government agents".
Are teachers government agents we should fear?
geez.
A 17 year-old dies while waiting for a liver transplant his insurance company refuses to provide -- but that's OK because his family can always sue the insurance company. Problem solved!
Too bad he didn't avail himself of the "Free Market". No doubt, competing insurance companies were lining up, eager for his family's patronage and the right to pay for the liver transplant of someone who was already desperately ill.
What planet do you live on?
Posted by: scottd on August 11, 2009 07:37 AMAs usual, you are off your nut.
Why don't you send your recommendation to sue the insurance company to the parents of Nataline Sarkisyan. I'm sure they'll be relieved that their dead daughter might be compensated with cash via a law suit.
Additionally, what are you talking about regarding Free Market in Health Insurance? You are completely unaware that the >90% of all insured individuals are insured via their employer? You think CIGNA, Aetna, WellPoint are losing money because of the way they do business?
aw nutz!
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 11, 2009 07:39 AMThis is NOT a "Town Hall" meeting. This is the regular monthly meeting of the 34th District Democrats, and McDermott is our invited guest.
It's OUR meeting, not McDermott's. The information is here. That means WE make the rules, and WE control the behavior in the Hall.
If signs are prohibited, not you nor anyone else will bring signs into the Hall. If only written questions are allowed, you and everyone else will comply.
Now that's established, the thought that you might change McDermott's position, or that continuing the FAILED private health insurance monopoly in this country is a majority position in the Seventh Congressional District, is just plain ludicrous.
Posted by: ivan on August 11, 2009 07:45 AM
Your ignorance is on display for the world to see. There's no such thing as a "registered Democrat" in this state, which does not have partisan registration.
34th District Democrats meetings are open to the public. Robert's Rules of Order are strictly enforced, for people of all political persuasions, and anyone who disrupts our meetings, whatever their political persuasion, will be removed by the Seattle Police.
Sieg Heil!
Posted by: Jack on August 11, 2009 08:19 AMhttp://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009/08/hcan-playbook-for-thwarting-town-hall-protesters.php?page=1
Posted by: Tim on August 11, 2009 09:48 AMExcellent. That means YOU and your little power-tripping thugs can go to hell all by yourselves.
Posted by: jimg on August 11, 2009 09:48 AM"Why do you think it would be better if government bureaucrats would be running the 'death panel'?"
Read what Republican Senator from Georgia, Johnny Isakson, has to say about it:
Is the Government Going to Euthanize your Grandmother?
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 11, 2009 10:03 AMSEIU doesn't run Democratic Party meetings. We do. Our meetings, our rules. Just like your meetings, your rules. Stick it where the sun doesn't shine if you don't like it.
Cause a disturbance at one of our meetings and SPD will take you away. Law and order, bitches. Love it or leave.
Posted by: ivan on August 11, 2009 11:13 AMYeah, right ivan. That coming from a union goon like yourself is laughable. I've dealt with you Blowhards in Barney attire before, and you're usually the first to start something and/or break law and order. You wouldn't know Robert's rules of order if it snuck up and smacked you on your lazy union arse.
Perhaps that's why polls continue to slide against Obamacare.
And note Obama's new planned "Town Halls" that will be dutifully trumpeted and covered live in HD by the state run media orgs. All of them are invite only, with carefully screened Obama friendly participants.
That's not debate, and that's another reason why polls slide for Obamacare. They only retorts they've managed to come up with are threats of being reported to the Whitehouse, SEIU Unions goons beating people up, and their media shills calling normal people mobs.
When you are backed in to a corner, you lash out. Just like ivan @28. Cheerful civil discourse? Honest democratic debate? Heck no, it's the left. And angry shoutdowns are their bread and butter.
Posted by: Jeff B. on August 11, 2009 11:57 AMNormally it is just easier to ignore your rants, but i'll indulge you.
"Why do you think it would be better if government bureaucrats would be running the death panel?"
1. I don't think government bureaucrats would be better because I don't think they are going to run a 'death panel'.
2. I don't think a government plan will have a 'death panel' because 40+ years of experience with Medicare (an insurance program for old people) has not ever had a 'death panel'.
3. The whole idea of 'death panels' resulting from anything written in HR 3200 is ludicrous, as Republican Senator from Georgia, Johnny Isakson explains in the link I provided at #27 at August 11, 2009 10:03 AM.
I look forward to your rebuttal Daniel. :-)
Posted by: MikeBoyScout on August 11, 2009 11:57 AM
Folks like MBS still have their head in the clouds thinking it's all going to turn out rosy, even though every other government takeover ends in failure. That's the whole point. Failure is the goal. That's least common denominator socialism. That's what your elites want, no matter how many times they tell you that you get to keep your current insurance plan. At least some like Michael Moore can admit that and admit that Cuba is their model for healthcare.
Posted by: Jeff B. on August 11, 2009 12:06 PM"Rosy"???? You gotta be kidding! :-)
Question Jeff, if "Failure is the goal" and 'death panels' are the way to get there...Why doesn't the evil Obama just implement 'death panels' now in the government run Medicare program? No need to take anything over.
ps. It may help your thought process if you first don your Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie
Of course they don't use Roberts Rules of Order; they have another set of rules to live by...
Posted by: Shanghai Dan on August 11, 2009 12:48 PMAs I mentioned in a previous thread to you, the proposed Obama health care solutions are "beyond broken"
Posted by: Tim on August 11, 2009 01:13 PMThrowing this Republican Senator form Georgia as a symbol that everything is going to be fine, is another Laugh. Republican, Democrat, whatever politician that is for this Government Rip-Off and its attack on the People's Right to Life and the Pursuit of Happiness is a Criminal of the Highest Order. But, what else is new. Most politicians are Cons, Hustlers and Criminals with their best interests at heart. They will not hesitate to throw the People and even the entire Nation to destruction if they think they will gain from it. So, Wake Up to that basic Truth. There are only a very few politicians that are Wise Honest Statesmen.
"I have not said that I am a supporter of a single-payer system,"
Oh. Uh. Okay.
Posted by: Gary on August 11, 2009 02:00 PM"The AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare."
The AARP has not endorsed this bill.
"We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,"
The AARP has not endorsed this bill.
http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
section 1233, page 424 - advance care planning consultation.
Mikebs, ivan, will you gladly sign over to a personal "health care proxy" from the federal government the power over your life?
Answer the question please.
They want to deny Medicare recipients from discussing medical directives with their providers and instead let them pay more and undergo procedures that they may not want. So, instead of letting Medicare patients choose their own choice of care, they want to have others decide the patients fate.
They want to deny those who have had their health care rationed by the insurance providers their rights, and thus invoke the very rationing they denounce.
They say they are for fiscal responsibility, yet, their very actions of not addressing the issue of Health Care reform is at its care fiscally irresponsible. They would rather have Medicare costs continue to climb and we pay more taxes than address the issue with health care reform. They would rather have us who have insurance pay the hidden tax of use of the emergency room as a clinic than address the costs in and open discussion.
They don't want to discuss these issues. They would rather gleefully indulge the smears and falsehoods than actually come up with alternatives.
Posted by: tc on August 11, 2009 02:32 PM-
The congress person is from Oregon, where they have decided to deny cancer treatment to an elderly woman, and in place are offering assisted suicide, or hospice.
What do you people call that? I call it a 'Death Panel' whether or not those words appear in a bill.
Posted by: Gary on August 11, 2009 02:35 PM-
As for discussing the issues, if Obama had his way, this bill would have already been passed, with no discussion at all.
What did you call what is happening in Oregon, tc?
Seems to me, that the government official offering only painkillers has pretty much chosen against extending your life by means of a pacemaker.
What would you call that, MikeBoyScout?
"These people come to these meetings and start fistfights and yell down their elected officials. You can't do that and still consider yourself a patriot. You can't go around with swatstikas spreading hate. If you do these things after you're told to calm down, you're going to get arrested."
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Hey! My insurance company hasn't issued me a swastika sign yet! And the fist fights have been started by the union people, not us.
These people are losing it! Can't yell at an elected official and still be considered a patriot? Since when, Joe???
Posted by: Gary on August 11, 2009 03:48 PMThe current bill will not change YOUR healthcare, if you are lucky enough to have a good policy through your employer. There is no government "death panel"..what utter stupidity. Some of our citizens are *lucky* enough to have government health care..Medicare/Medicaid. Yes, its basic coverage, but there are no "death panels". There ARE such "death panels" right now in private insurance plans. Ever see someone holding a bake sale at a church, to raise money for a bone marrow transplant for a child? Guess what..that kid was "insured" by our wonderful private healthcare system. They decided that giving her a transplant would not maximize corporate profits enough.
You right wingers are a bunch of ignorant tools of the insurance industry...if you think they have your best interests in mind, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you!.
Posted by: Proteus on August 11, 2009 04:53 PMThe current bill will not change YOUR healthcare, if you are lucky enough to have a good policy through your employer. There is no government "death panel"..what utter stupidity. Some of our citizens are *lucky* enough to have government health care..Medicare/Medicaid. Yes, its basic coverage, but there are no "death panels". There ARE such "death panels" right now in private insurance plans. Ever see someone holding a bake sale at a church, to raise money for a bone marrow transplant for a child? Guess what..that kid was "insured" by our wonderful private healthcare system. They decided that giving her a transplant would not maximize corporate profits enough.
You right wingers are a bunch of ignorant tools of the insurance industry...if you think they have your best interests in mind, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you!.
Posted by: Proteus on August 11, 2009 04:53 PMSo you can guarantee me that my employer will not drop coverage, and you can guarantee me that my insurance company will qualify for the Exchange?
Thanks.
tc ~ They say they are for fiscal responsibility, yet, their very actions of not addressing the issue of Health Care reform is at its c[o]re fiscally irresponsible.
You haven't read the latest CBO expert's projections then, tc. Not only have the CBO called this boondoggle of a plan fiscally "unsustainable", the expert said friday that despite the Democrats and Obama's claims to the contrary, preventive care would not lead to lowering of overall costs:
"Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall," Elmendorf wrote. "That result may seem counterintuitive.
But you've got your blinders on to that reality, much like the lyin' king Obama. Instead, you both prefer to fall back on nonsensical emotional arguments and assertions that aren't true.
Posted by: Rick D. on August 11, 2009 06:19 PMNow America is on to you and they are resisting.
Too bad dhimmis - another epic fail!
Posted by: Alphabet Soup on August 11, 2009 07:17 PMyou do realize we're not living under sharia law, right?
Posted by: mike on August 11, 2009 09:43 PM