September 18, 2009
Glenn Beck Coming September 26

Don't forget that Glenn Beck is coming to Safeco Field next week. The EFF is hosting the event. He's been all the rage lately, having helped take down Van Jones and so on.

Tickets are still available.

Beck is also being given the key to his hometown, Mount Vernon, the same day.

Posted by pudge at September 18, 2009 10:52 PM | Email This
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1. You know I will be there. Anytime someone calls Oboona a Racist and doesn't have to apologize for it....I am all for it!

Posted by: Truthinwords on September 19, 2009 06:46 AM
2. The leftist Seattle media will have a hate fest on this one. Watch as he's called everything thinkable, and every liberal group is given free air time to protest in the "newscast".

The extreme leftist bias in the Seattle media will never be so evident or fun to watch as it will be over the next few days.

Be sure to tune in to your favorite talking head.

Posted by: JoeBandMember on September 19, 2009 08:55 AM
3. "The intellectual bankruptcy of conservatism today is even greater than it was when Irving Kristol founded The Public Interest in 1965. What passes for a conservative movement these days wears its anti-intellectualism as a badge of honor. But as Kristol correctly understood, right-wing populism has no future and fundamental changes in the direction of government policy must be based on serious research and analysis that is grounded on hard data; that is to say, reality."

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 19, 2009 09:53 AM
4. MikeBS: and Olbermann is not anti-intellectual populism? Pull the other one. Olbermann just pretends he is acting intellectually, while Beck doesn't.

To say that Beck well-represents the conservate movement today is to ignore Bill Kristol, National Review, George Will, the Heritage Foundation, the EFF and Bob Williams, among many others who (at the very least, collectively) have a much greater impact on modern conservative thought ... which is, well, rather un-intellectual of you.

I am not a Beck fan. But he is no worse than the Air America and MSNBC hosts (not to mention members of Congress like Pelosi whose "violence in the 70s" remarks were as dumb as anything Beck says).

Posted by: pudge on September 19, 2009 10:07 AM
5. I am a Beck fan. The biggest reason is because he tells his audience not to take his word for anything, but to go find the knowledge for themselves. He is also willing to take on corruption regardless of party affiliation. Oh yeah, and he cries. Apparently, Pelosi is hip to that gig now, too, so I might have to rethink my view on that.

Posted by: brasstax on September 19, 2009 10:57 AM
6. brasstax: I am not here to bash Beck, and I agree with you that his saying that is a good thing, but -- as an ex-journalist myself -- he doesn't do a lot of research on a lot of those things, and he says, "well this is what I found on Google, you can look it up yourself and make your own judgments," and to me that isn't good enough. When you report something to many people -- especially millions -- you better have the facts down.

There's some things I like about Beck, but his willingness to put stuff up that isn't well-sourced and well-founded isn't one of them.

Posted by: pudge on September 19, 2009 11:02 AM
7. truepatriot: you obscene comment was removed, for obvious reasons. With such juvenile, crass, humor, I wonder if you really do have legal firearms, since children cannot legally possess firearms in most situations in this state.

Oh, and if you want to pose as a gun owner, perhaps you should actually understand the laws: WA doesn't register firearms.

Posted by: pudge on September 19, 2009 12:11 PM
8. I love Glenn Beck. I don't think i'm stupid, or knee jerk right wing either. Of course I cannot stomach the left leaning regular media, and so drift into talk radio land. Only Beck (and also Dennis Miller) seem to have a principled beef with the intellectual and political corruption we face. I LOVE the way he calls BS. And i HATE when conservatives want to sound moderate and say stuff like "oh, he's a bit over the top" etc. Man up and suport guys who take good hard stand.

Put another way, lets say he disappears...who's our prime spokesman? Mark Levin? MIchael Savage? yipes...both are entertaining but you'll never reach the minds of as many people as Beck does.

by the way, he uses satire so well...similar to the early days of Limbaugh, where he was able to skewer the left in satirical sketches....very good stuff

Posted by: righton on September 19, 2009 12:49 PM
9. righton: So because someone disagrees with you, they are not "manning up"? Personally, I consider it "manning up" to dare to criticize someone who is on your political side. To each his own, I guess.

I do not want to sound moderate, and I am not moderate. Indeed, I end up sounding extremely conservative in this debate, because my criticisms -- which are levied at media figures irrespective of their politics -- are based on a very traditional and well-established set of journalistic principles. That is, "conservative" journalistic principles.

Consider this video earlier this year, where Beck says, "I'm tired of the politics of left and right. It's about right and wrong. We argue back and forth -- 'If you haven't voted for the donkey, you're just a hatemonger.' The other side -- 'Oh, those donkeys trying to turn us into communist Russia.' Stop!"

I agreed with Obama when he said it in January. Too bad he doesn't take his own advice: almost every night, it is BECK who says the donkeys are trying to turn us into communist Russia, or something close to it.

As I said before, I like some of what he says and does. But much of what he says is just STUPID. And I have no qualms about calling him out on it, except that I don't want to ruin the EFF's event. :-)

Personally, I have no "prime spokesman." I wasn't aware I needed one. But if I did, it would be WFB (even posthumously he would serve as a much better spokesman than Beck), or George Will, or Bob Williams, or some other conservative who not only "feels" conservatism, but can intellectually express it, defend it, and even convince people of it.

Ronald Reagan was an intellectual conservative. He convinced millions of Americans not because he cried, but because he reasoned. And he did it very, very well.

Posted by: pudge on September 19, 2009 01:15 PM
10. May not work, but something exciting is happening with Glenn Beck. He's launched his Refounders project, focused on attracting 56 members of the House or Senate willing to, anonymously if necessary, expose the corruption from within their own party. Beck announced 2 Refounders had come forward as of last Thursday.

If insiders start to expose the corruption permeating through DC, Beck could get his wish of quarantining the source of all this corrupt legislation and stop this Marxist push from the Obama administration.

Posted by: Reality on September 19, 2009 01:19 PM
11. Sorry for the OT, but how 'about them Dawgs, doggin' USC clear into the 3rd quarter and making it look like either team could win this thing today (no matter how it turns out)??

Posted by: Michele on September 19, 2009 02:11 PM
12. Thomas Sowell is an intellectual and a conservative. He is also black. So if Mike BS disagrees with him then Mike BS is obviously a racist.

Posted by: Huey on September 19, 2009 03:49 PM
13. @12 Huey on September 19, 2009 03:49 PM,

Pure GENIUS!!!
Maybe you could draw us your Beckain Tree?

LMFAO! :-D

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 19, 2009 04:44 PM
14. Since we are talking Talk Radio here.

Below is a link to a very powerful podcast.

http://www.tinyurl.com/ismichaelreaganrightmp3

Posted by: Gene on September 19, 2009 06:31 PM
15. I wonder if any of those who complain so loudly about Beck have read any of his writings. It sure doesn't look that way to me.

If they actually were to read any of it, that would go against the wishes of their handlers in the leftist media.

Posted by: JoeBandMember on September 20, 2009 07:43 AM
16. @15 JoeBandMember on September 20, 2009 07:43 AM,

Good point.
Would you be willing to expand on that thought?
Which of Beck's writings do you recommend?
For whom is it important to read and why?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 20, 2009 08:09 AM
17. This section from a Wall St. Journal article needs to be spread far and wide:

[snip]
Incidentally, here is a shocking fact: Yesterday (last week), 26 members of the Congressional Black Caucus--25 in the House and one, Roland Burris, in the Senate--voted against resolutions to defund Acorn, the scandal-plagued advocacy group. Two additional Black Caucus members voted "present" in the House, and one was absent.

Only seven Congressional Black Caucus members voted to defund Acorn, and here's the honor roll (all are Democrats):

■Sanford Bishop (Ga.)
■William Lacy Clay (Mo.)
■John Conyers (Mich.)
■Artur Davis (Ala.)
■Hank Johnson (Ga.)
■Kendrick Meek (Fla.)
■Laura Richardson (Calif.)


That is to say, fewer than 1 in 4 Black Caucus members voted to stop spending taxpayers' money on an organization that has been caught on video at least five times offering advice on how to practice slavery.
[/snip]

The hypocracy is mind numbing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204518504574421031545178964.html

Posted by: BD on September 20, 2009 08:23 PM
18. Next to fall after ACORN, the National Endowment for the Arts?

Tomorrow.

Posted by: Gary on September 20, 2009 08:51 PM
19. I'm with Pudge, Glen Beck is a menace to the conservative movement in America.

Posted by: Crusader on September 20, 2009 10:39 PM
20. Crusader, not quite what I said. I am not sure Beck does more harm than good. But I think he could do more good with some modest, but meaningful, changes.

Posted by: pudge on September 20, 2009 10:44 PM
21. I don't get to watch or listen to Beck much, but to say he is anti-intellectual is just ignorant. When I've listened to him, I have learned things that I doubt I would learn on most talk shows, even Err-American, NPR, or Oprah.

For example, I did not know, until I heard it from Beck, that Woodrow Wilson resegregated the federal work force, which had been largely desegregated by Republicans following the Civil War. I looked into it further, and it appears that Beck was quite right.

How many shows would discuss the roots of socialized medicine going back to Bismarck? Beck did.

Call him an Elmer-Gantry, an alarmist, or a drama-queen if you wish, but anti-intellectual he is not.

Posted by: travis t on September 21, 2009 02:22 AM
22. Hey Pudge, this comment of yours on 9.."it is BECK who says the donkeys are trying to turn us into communist Russia, or something close to it."
Seems to me the donkeys are in control of everything that comes out these days (and two years prior for that matter).
And they seem to be blocking everything from the elephants.

Posted by: PC on September 21, 2009 06:58 AM
23. PC: my point is not whether Beck is correct in his characterization (although I think he certainly isn't ... the Dems are trying to turn us into Socialist Sweden, not Communist Russia). My point is that BECK said to NOT characterize people as trying to turn us into communist Russia, in order to hype his new show, and then he went and started doing that very thing himself. A lot.

Posted by: pudge on September 21, 2009 07:04 AM
24. BTW Pudge, there's a couple of axes behind you in your songs. If you like guitar playing, you might check this out as it's coming to MV on a Saturday night.
http://internationalguitarnight.squarespace.com/tour-dates/
I haven't looked at my guitar the same since this show last year.
I know, this is off topic.

Posted by: PC on September 21, 2009 07:05 AM
25. @21 travis t on September 21, 2009 02:22 AM,

Knowing that President Wilson rolled over on segregation policy may be worth some points on Jeopardy, but this knowledge of American history is really freshman year 20th century survey class level.

Knowing history doesn't qualify any one as an intellectual. Not knowing history definitely disqualifies one from being able to engage in intellectual pursuits.

That Wilson's Democratic party was dominated by southern segregationists hardly seems relevant to the 21st century, unless Mr. Beck was making the analysis that today's Republican party is the heir and prisoner of that racist rump as a result of the Southern Strategy.

What disqualifies Beck from being considered an intellectual is his frequent use of selective historical facts and the most distant relation between a set of related historical facts to assert a invalid and untrue conclusion.

Whether it is Johah Goldberg saying it or Glenn Beck providing the forum for it to be heard, the assertion that President Woodrow Wilson was a fascist totalitarian ruler is nutz.
In your heart you know I'm right. :-)

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 21, 2009 11:21 AM
26. MikeBS: who said Wilson was a "fascist totalitarian ruler"? Wilson WAS a socialist, who did WANT the federal government to have much more power than it had or deserved.

He took it a step farther than William Jennings Bryan, who had previously been the Democratic nominee for President several times, and who thought that the federal government's power was absolute, and the only question was whether to exercise that power.

Wilson, however, believed something Bryan rejected: that there existed scientific methods and procedures that could be used to create a better society, if only the right formulas were discovered and applied ... what has become modern American and European socialism.

Posted by: pudge on September 21, 2009 11:52 AM
27. @26 pudge on September 21, 2009 11:52 AM,

i've only a moment, so this is a quick response to your 'who said'?

And Woodrow Wilson was in many respects the first -- forget the word fascist for two seconds. The first totalitarian dictator in western civilization, modern one at least.

A forum provided by Glenn Beck.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 21, 2009 12:06 PM
28. OK. So, so far, no one said it. Thanks!

Posted by: pudge on September 21, 2009 01:19 PM
29. @28 pudge on September 21, 2009 01:19 PM

??

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 21, 2009 01:41 PM
30. Um. You said "fascist totalitarian ruler." You provided a quote only of someone calling him a "totalitarian ruler."

I thought that was obvious.

Posted by: pudge on September 21, 2009 03:14 PM
31. Beck vs I. Kristol and populisms role in political dialog.

As a few have responded to the Bruce Bartlett post I quoted, let me just add a few tidbits.

pudge's flogging of Beck's SAFECO Field appearance came on the heels of Beck being on the cover of Time Magazine; a cover story which appeared on the same day as Irving Kristol's death. The simultaneous occurrence of the 2 events has given quite a few bloggers and writers reason to make comparisons.

Bruce Bartlett's conclusion is rather stark, but within the main stream of such comparison writings this past week. Andrew Sullivan's blog has a number of links to similar comparisons.

Beck's knee jerk and poorly sourced news analysis is nothing new. Such practices have been part of 20th century media for years. What is new in 2009 is the Republican party's practically complete subservience to populist media for its agenda (e.g. Beck, Hannity, Rush, ...). What was the outcome of the 2 Republican Rebranding efforts announced in 2009 by the GOP congressional leaders and pooh-poohed by talk show host Limbaugh???

I don't expect those who frequent this board to agree, but the difference between the very highly paid daily commentators of today with William F. Buckley's National Review and Irving Kristol's The Public Interest is severe.

Of course there are exceptions. But the 1960's exception is today's rule and vice versa.

But, of course, you know that Kristol came to accept and endorse ideological propaganda in the later third of his life.
For many thinkers it seems Kristol forgot the dangers of populism and how it informed his anti-communist stance of his youth and informed his abandonment of liberal socialism as an adult.

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on September 21, 2009 03:36 PM
32. Beck is this year's Palin. A name, the mere mention of which, sends the left into a hyperbolic orbit.

What they do have in common is that they both are getting people to think for themselves. And that one thing seems to upset the left more than any one topic discussed by either.

Posted by: JoeBandMember on September 22, 2009 07:14 PM
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