October 02, 2009
Steve Dana Hits Dave Somers on Flooding

Over on his web site, Snohomish County Council candidate Steve Dana criticizes current councilman Dave Somers over the conversion of farmland to swamp. This is something that's annoyed me for a long time: apart from the lunacy of spending so much taxpayer money creating "habitat," it is removing something we need much more -- farmland -- and is doing it in a way that harms other property, and, in this case, causes tens of millions of dollars of damage to utility infrastructure that is going to be passed on to ratepayers.

And Dave Somers says that for the sake of habitat, it's all worth it. Call me crazy, but, no. It's not. Really. Habitat is not worth any of those things by itself: not the millions to create it, not the violations of property rights, not the loss of farmland, and not the increased costs for electricity. And it's certainly not worth all of that together.

I know to some people, no cost is too high for the sake of habitat. But those people are nutjobs.

Posted by pudge at October 02, 2009 10:42 PM | Email This
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1. Amen. Particularly when the most numerous inhabitants of swamp are mosquitoes. Do we really have a shortage of wetlands in Washington? Seriously?

Posted by: jvon on October 2, 2009 11:05 PM
2. Amen to the last two sentences.

Posted by: Michele on October 2, 2009 11:45 PM
3. How many square miles (yes, miles) of prime Green River Valley farmland were filled in with six feet of gravel and paved over for warehouses, shopping malls, freeways and apartment houses? I recall driving past dairies, hayfields and truck farms between the small towns of Sumner, Auburn and Kent, back in the 60's.

It's a little late for anyone in King County to show concern for preserving farmland, except perhaps in the Snoqualmie Valley. Pierce County, too, for what is happening in the Puyallup Valley. But it's not too late to stop developers and environmental swamp kooks in Snohomish County. Say no to swamps.

Posted by: Saltherring on October 3, 2009 06:23 AM
4. Phoning it in today pudge?

"Dave Somers says that for the sake of habitat, it's all worth it." Really?

Cuz it took 2 minutes to find an actual quote.

Dana: "I put people first. I think Councilman Somers puts fish first." Somers: "Well, that's ridiculous."
Somers said he favored a balance that allowed more people to move to the area, but still enjoy outdoor pastimes such as fishing.

But, I'd love to see Somer's actual response to questions about the costs and benefits of wetland restoration. Have any?

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on October 3, 2009 08:25 AM
5. Sorry Pudge, this seems to be too much of a focused (and self-serving) topic than one that works well within the width and breadth of Sound Politics.

Posted by: Duffman on October 3, 2009 11:32 AM
6. Conversion of economically productive land into someone's vision of the Garden of Eden will certainly gratify the swarms of statists who infest Washington.

But an intellectually honest discussion of such antics must also address the brutal politics of the confiscation of private property to provide those statists with their unspoiled scenery - at the expense of the underlying property owner.

Statist brutality is always wrong. It could be alleviated to some extent by proper Fifth Amendment compensation to the owners who've lost the economic use of their own property.

But the statists since the 1970s have simply acted as urban imperialists and seized those property rights for their own benefit, jeering 'we won' to the owners as payment.

Constitutions aint what they used to be.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on October 3, 2009 12:50 PM
7. Good post...Insufficiently Sensitive. Thank you.

Posted by: Daniel on October 3, 2009 02:36 PM
8. @6 Insufficiently Sensitive on October 3, 2009 12:50 PM,

"It could be alleviated to some extent by proper Fifth Amendment compensation to the owners who've lost the economic use of their own property.
Constitutions aint what they used to be.
"

Alternatively, your knowledge of the US Constitution is the same as it ever was. :-D

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on October 3, 2009 04:55 PM
9. Sommers is a no good.

Posted by: HW on October 3, 2009 08:45 PM
10. Hi all,

It sure beats having the feds sell flood insurance to developers, having them cover the valley floor in warehouses like in the Kent Valley, and then when the inevitable floods come, having the taxpayer have to bail out all the "flood victims."

Cheers everybody,

new left conservative 1


Posted by: new left conservative 1 on October 3, 2009 09:19 PM
11. Unfortunately, the Rs failed to put up a good candidate to battle Somers. It will be a slaughter of epic proportions- I say 60-40 for Somers, if not higher.

Posted by: swatter on October 5, 2009 07:12 AM
12. swatter, I think you're wrong. MOST of the people who for non-Somers candidates will vote for Dana, I think, which means -- based on primary results -- about 47 percent. It's not inconceivable that Dana could win.

What I like most about Dana is he is intelligent and serious about solving problems, and is an experienced local councilman. He is not partisan or ideological. If he can get this across, and hurt Somers a little here and there, he can win.

Posted by: pudge on October 5, 2009 07:50 AM
13. I agree with New Left Conservative here (to a point). People who CHOOSE to locate a business or own a home in a flood plain should do so on their own dime. In MLKC, I don't live in a flood plain and don't carry flood insurance as a result, yet I STILL pay property taxes (passed by Ron Sims) to pay for those people who do. It's as bad as the extra property taxes for foot ferries.

I have no problem with property taxes going to pay for schools, police, fire etc in my area, but the above two extra levies should be eliminated.

Posted by: Palouse on October 5, 2009 09:42 AM
14. Pudge,
I would agree with you on this one. Farmland can be just as much a flood plain buffer as a swamp. What is stupid is allowing building, especially government facilities, in a flood plain (hint: King County --> facility in Kent).

Posted by: tc on October 7, 2009 12:16 PM
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