November 03, 2009
Here is Eyman/Fagans statement on I-1033 given at 8 pm tonight

This is as true now as it was at 8 pm tonight:

Whatever happens with Initiative 1033 tonight, Jack, Mike and I want everyone to know how proud we are of all our heroic supporters for getting 1033 before the voters for a vote. We respect and admire all of you for your enthusiasm and determination to make a difference.

Government doesn't get better when the citizenry acquiesces - government only gets better when the people provoke it, confront it, and challenge it. Politicians don't need adoring cheerleaders, they need the people to be hard-nosed coaches challenging politicians to do better.

To all those who supported 1033 with your vote, you sent a clear message demanding greater fiscal discipline. To all those who did not give 1033 your vote, thank you for participating in this historic debate - we listened closely to your concerns and we will work even harder to earn your vote in the future. We continue to learn, adapt, and persevere.

Regardless of the vote totals on 1033 tonight, this campaign has already proven to be a tremendous success. For the past year, 1033 has put a bright spotlight on government and the people have been given an invaluable opportunity to learn more about taxes and spending and government budgeting.

And most importantly, we heard state and local government officials say over and over again that 1033's limits weren't necessary because they promised not to raise taxes. There's no doubt that some voters voted no on 1033 because they believed these promises. With or without 1033, politicians will be hard-pressed to renege on their no-new-taxes promises.

Interestingly, the 1033 campaign is a perfect metaphor for how outgunned the average taxpayer is in the process. Opponents to 1033 were led by the government itself and all the special interest groups, billionaires, and millionaires who control and feed off the government. They spent $3.5 million. Our side raised and spent less than $700,000, most of which went just to get on the ballot. So we weren't outspent 6:1, we were outspent 3 1/2 million to none. That same David versus Goliath disparity exists in the legislative process too, but at least with our initiatives, the average taxpayer has a fighting chance to be heard.

Thanks to the voters, our initiatives over the years have produced significant savings for Washington taxpayers - over $13 billion so far. But even more importantly, our initiatives' influence on Washington state politics has been truly remarkable. Our supporters should be extremely proud of our collective accomplishments:

* Vehicle tabs are dramatically lower
* Property tax increases are six times smaller than they otherwise would be
* The State Auditor is conducting comprehensive performance audits of state and local governments for the first time in 40 years
* We've been successful at beating back Olympia's repeated legislative assault against the initiative process
* We're fighting tooth-and-nail to protect the privacy of citizen signers of petitions
* And we've made it a lot tougher for politicians to raise taxes.

Jack, Mike, and I are very lucky. We get to work with thousands of heroic supporters whose faith, hard work, and determination make our efforts a success. And we provide voters with more choices at the ballot box, giving the average taxpayer an equal voice in the process. We're proud of what we do and pleased with what we've accomplished.

But the tug-of-war over taxes continues with or without Initiative 1033.

Taxpayers all over Washington are counting on us to keep fighting for them - we won't let them down.

As for what we've got planned for 2010, stay tuned.

We ask everyone to join us in thanking our thousands of supporters who collected the voter signatures and donated the dollars necessary to qualify 1033 for the ballot. Taxpayers appreciate your efforts and so do we.

Thousands of people sacrificed a lot to make 1033 a reality. Super supporter Mike Dunmire really stepped up the plate, I took out a $250,000 2nd mortgage on my home and loaned it to the campaign, and thousands of our supporters - 2147 total - donated generously - the average was $55 - to help 1033. Our supporters also contributed tens of thousands of volunteer hours gathering voter signatures to get 1033 on the ballot this year. It was a Herculean effort that all of you should be very proud of.

Jack, Mike, and I formally declare victory with Initiative 1033 right now. It will continue to provide huge benefits to the taxpayers of Washington for years to come. Thank you.

Posted by Tim Eyman at November 03, 2009 10:44 PM | Email This
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1. "Government doesn't get better when the citizenry acquiesces - government only gets better when the people provoke it, confront it, and challenge it." - never better said.

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. ~H.L. Mencken, 1956

Posted by: Acid Brain on November 4, 2009 12:04 AM
2. Mr. Eyman, just how much did you charge the I-1033 campaign for posting this thread? Or do you not pay yourself hourly from the donations of your 2,174 followers and instead take a salary?

Posted by: Todd Reeves on November 4, 2009 12:23 AM
3. "As for what we've got planned for 2010, stay tuned." Translation: Keep your checkbooks open and your pens in hand (suckers.)

Posted by: Quincy on November 4, 2009 12:32 AM
4. Quincy is right in a way--it is only a self-sacrificing person who would try to restrain our march towards serfdom. But someone has to try to do it, else we'll end up one of those states with high income tax AND high sales tax AND a mountain of debt. In fact if not for the dust raised by Eyman we might well have gotten an income tax this past year.

I am disappointed in the local media at utterly ignoring the campaign-spending angle of 1033. When 45 percent of the voters are on one side, and 99 percent of the money is on the other, clearly something is wrong.

Why is local media so afraid to explore the mechanics of that? I look for explanations, and the only reasonable one I see is that reporters these days are all looking to land that media spokesperson job, and they know it is likely to come from one of the donors of the $3.5 million to 'No on 1033.'


Posted by: travis t on November 4, 2009 02:28 AM
5. The problem is these initiatives are all about Tim Eyman. Has he written a single headline on here where he wasn't the subject? Democrats try to personalize these things, so as to discredit the initiatives and Tim Eyman is more than eager to help them.

Tim: It's not all about you. It's okay to give up. Thanks for 695, we'll always be grateful. But time has passed....

Posted by: AD on November 4, 2009 03:36 AM
6. When one side has 86 times the money to outspend the other, the result is not in doubt. The rich monied interests vs the little guy snd the little guy lost.

Posted by: pbj on November 4, 2009 03:37 AM
7. Time and again the voters of this state have proven themselves to be idiots.

Posted by: Walters on November 4, 2009 04:35 AM
8. Reality is that ANYthing associated with the name Eyman hereafter will be discounted and likely fail. As someone said herein your time has passed and the connotation associated with your name taints whatever your pushing. You've served your purpose, now go find a way to make yourself useful. :)

Posted by: Duffman on November 4, 2009 04:41 AM
9. Todd @2:

It would be very interesting to see how much Eyman netted from his latest debacle. I'm betting it was well into six figures.

Pbj @6:

Since when has this initiative ever been about the little guy? This initiative was all about lining the pockets of Tim and the big guys.

The reason one side had all the money is because that same side had all the good arguments. I-1033 was an incredibly dumb idea.

Walters @7:

I couldn't agree with you more. They continue to sign petitions, donate money, and then vote for half-baked initiatives, put forth by a deadbeat watch salesman who steals money from his own campaign.

Duffy @8:

See above, despite your optimism, I've no doubt they will do it again.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 05:32 AM
10. The 1033 defeat and passage of R-71 just affirms that Washington state voters exist in a blue bubble of ignorance- just as sending Ms. Gregoire back to Olympia last November for 4 more years even though under her 'leadership' we accumulated a worse state budget mess than CA if taken per capita)in her first term. And the nut denied we had looming budget crisis prior to election. Stupid is as stupid does- WA voters prove that adage.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. This state has reaffirmed time and again for the last 30 years that it is politically insane.

Posted by: Rick D. on November 4, 2009 05:49 AM
11. "Since when has this initiative ever been about the little guy? This initiative was all about lining the pockets of Tim and the big guys.

The reason one side had all the money is because that same side had all the good arguments. I-1033 was an incredibly dumb idea."

That begs the question. You need to offer a theory as to why 'no on 1033' outraised 'yes' by 5 to 1, when the voting was only 55-45 or 1.2 to 1.

The obvious answer is that the interests who combined to raised the $3.4 million profit from taxes/spending, in fact probably it is their livelihood.

Posted by: travis t on November 4, 2009 05:49 AM
12. Rush Limbaugh Fan, Todd Reeves, Quincy:; Three friends of millionaires who make their money off of other peoples taxes and are not ashamed to soak them for more and give them less. Three suckers who continue to reward mediocrity and incompitence in government. Three people who no doubt somehow have ill-gained at the average taxpayers expense. Three people who help evict grandma from her home. Three people who make it near impossible for a young person to own their own home. Three people who are unconscionable swine.

Posted by: REBEL on November 4, 2009 05:54 AM
13. The policeman, the fireman, the teacher, and the civil engineer who builds the roads: Four friends of millionaires who make their money off of other peoples taxes.

Poor REBEL. He sits at home and imagines that someone, somewhere is stealing all of his money to get rich while he toils away, saving up to own a home.

He somehow believes that Tim Eyman, a man who admitted stealing money from his contributors, is going to deliver him from this and make it better. And he thinks all those public services just ARE, and don't need to be funded.

He's angry right now, very angry. He's angry because a bubble headed newscaster didn't get elected King County Executive. He angry because Tim's latest, and most absurd tax initiative got trounced. He's angry because the fags look like they are going to get some validation. And he's angry because there is a liberal black man in the White House.

A man can just take so much before he has to lash out and start calling people names, like (gasp) "unconscionable swine."

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 06:27 AM
14. RLF..you must have a neon sign with your name on it above your bathroom mirror.
Why do you love this government that has done NOTHING to remove the shackles of taxation in the last several years? We can only conclude you're on the benefit end of it.
Rebel, I've loved your posts for quite some time now. It's not rose colored lenses that you see through.

Posted by: PC on November 4, 2009 06:40 AM
15. By the way Reb, just who are those "millionaires who make their money off other peoples' taxes"?

Are you referring to Kemper Freeman who's real estate holdings have been vastly increased in value by the freeways and roads built on the public dime?

Perhaps you mean Rush Limbaugh, my hero, who uses the public airwaves everyday to put forth a screed so hateful and racially biased that he's been precluded from owning a sports franchise.

Or maybe you mean Eric Prince, the CEO of Blackwater, who has milked the war in Iraq for billions.

Are those the millionaires you were referring to?

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 06:42 AM
16. I am glad to see 1033 go down. These initiatives give too much cover to the majority party. Let the Dems fail miserably, with no initiatives to blame. Only then will the masses shift to GOP.

Posted by: JKR on November 4, 2009 07:26 AM
17. Rush Limbaugh Fan;
I am a homeowner. I see the need to fund all of the people you mention. I don't however think that politicians and their apologists who use scare tactics to make us believe that they wont be funded if we pass anti-tax initiatives should be given any consideration when they use those tactics. I assume that you are not concerned with government waste. I also assume that you think that services that are constitutionally required to be funded first should be held hostage by thieves within the government. So I ask you which trough do you feed in? BTW your points in post 15 are so scewed with your own prejudice as to make them laughable.

Posted by: REBEL on November 4, 2009 07:31 AM
18. So many trolls. Has to mean something.

Posted by: mykela on November 4, 2009 07:51 AM
19. Reb:

Who are the thieves?
Where is the waste?
Why are my points in #15 laughable?
If those aren't the millionaires you referred to, who are?

You say you are a homeowner, is your home in a Fire District?
Is it in a school district?
Does it have roads that enable you to get to it?
Does someone answer when you dial 911?

So you have a job?
Do you drive on a road to get to it?

Do you eat?
Do you drive to the store to buy food?
Does someone else use the roads to get the food to the store so you can buy it?

How do you think all this stuff happens?
Who should pay for it?
Why do you think YOU are paying too much?

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 07:59 AM
20. You are exactly correct mykela. It's a pity that this site doesn't exterminate some of the vermin...

Posted by: Alphabet Soup on November 4, 2009 08:21 AM
21. Almost re-defines Puck's saying in Shakespear's 'A Midsummer Nights Dream' when he/she/it said 'what trolls these mortals be'. :)

Posted by: Duffman on November 4, 2009 08:26 AM
22. Tim,

Thank you and the Fagans for representing us, the taxpayers. No one down in Olympia does. You gave us the chance to vote. You have done more for us over the last decade than ALL the politicians in Olympia combined.

We are very grateful.

Posted by: RushIsGreat on November 4, 2009 08:35 AM
23. Now, go forth in life and try to make yourself useful and NEVER associate your name with any one or thing that you ever want to win. :)

Posted by: Duffman on November 4, 2009 08:41 AM
24. the blue state ignorance/insanity makes me weep today.

Posted by: Crusader on November 4, 2009 08:56 AM
25. Cru @24:

Yes, yes. The ignorance and insanity (and cost) of constantly having to deal with this never ending string of asinine initiatives promulgated by a man who has admitted to stealing from his own campaign contributors.

Why, oh why would anyone take this fool seriously; much less give him more money.

The gods themselves must weep.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 09:17 AM
26.

Not millionaire, BILLIONAIR - Paul Allen. He got his Eastlake Choo Choo and oh by the way he just bankrupted a company too. Do you think Paul Allen will be on the street begging for his meals?

Posted by: Marxism Fan on November 4, 2009 09:30 AM
27. Tim--
I've always felt the majority of voters have to FEEL they are overtaxed....meaning paying to much or not getting value for their money.

People tend to want more government services...but don't want to pay for them.

In some communities, which vote for inflated School Levies, Library Levies and other heartstringtugging issues, the day of reckoning is when they get the tax bill for 2010 tax payments. There is no free ride.

The question is, where is the tipping point??
Obviously we haven't reached it yet.
The point where no matter how many folks will starve & die as opponents claim....it doesn't matter. Taxpayers are tapped out.

Perhaps 2010 is the year.

I have repeatedly suggested someone publish a list of ALL government workers, their salaries, benefits (31%) and Paid time-off (18%)....that number is called TOTAL COMPENSATION.
Unions hate discussing it. They focus solely on salaries which is only 2/3 of the TOTAL COMPENSATION.

I really think getting an updated Bloom list of salaries and adding the 31% Benefits and 18% Paid Time-off and showing TOTAL COMPENSATION would seriously turn some folks around.

Is that too personal??
Heck, I pay taxes. When I write that check, it's personal. Why shouldn't Public Servants have their names and TOTAL COMPENSATION made clearly & easily available to the Tax-Paying Public??

This must be done Tim.
If you can get the Salaries (that's easy)...adding the Benefits and a factor for Paid Time-off (Vacation, Sick Leave, Holidays, Personal Days etc @ 18%) can't be that difficult.

No one wants to do it...or feels it is that important. They are wrong.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on November 4, 2009 09:36 AM
28. Planned for 2010? Seriously?

You have always been a supporter of letting citizens have their say.

They have spoken VERY LOUDLY.

No more Eyman initiatives! Please find a different way to earn a living...that's what the citizens want.

Posted by: Listen to the Voters on November 4, 2009 09:37 AM
29. Todd and RLF, get a grip. Why do you care so much what Eyman gets paid? It's from contributors, not taxpayers. Money well earned for 695, etc.

Everyone better grab their ankles, as the Marxist government establishment has now been given a green light to tax us to oblivion. Thanks RLF, Todd, MikeBS and 'Shiftless mike'.

Posted by: yaddacubed on November 4, 2009 09:45 AM
30. if benefits are 31% and paid time is 18%, which total 49%...

how is salary 2/3 of total compensation. you do realize 2/3 = 66.666%, right?

public servants pay taxes as well. writing that 'personal' check.

also, public servant salary is available online.

Posted by: mike on November 4, 2009 10:02 AM
31. Do you notice how the trolls virtually never use a legitimate Email address? What's with you loudmouth cowards? But then, what do you expect from the wussified left. Men with short penises and unsure of what to do with them. People with mental disorders. Doesn't Dow Constantine look rather weaselish. Kinda like a rat with rabies. I bet he has some "issues" too. I know a paranoid schizophrenic that reminds me of how many liberals argue issues. He can't stay on topic.
BTW Rush Limbaugh Fan, you still haven't told us which trough your porcine snout is in.

Posted by: REBEL on November 4, 2009 10:14 AM
32. Reb:

My porcine snout is in the trough of private enterprise. I work for a large corporation and draw a salary. Unlike my hero Rush, I have never been on the dole.

However I do use the roadways, appreciate the security our local constabulary provides, and enjoy reduced homeowners insurance rates due to our local and very effective fire district.

My children attended excellent public schools and now attend even more excellent public universities. My boss, fellow employees, clients, and the economy in general also reap the benefits of universal public education.

So I guess you could say I'm doing well off of all of the other taxpayers. Not as well as Kemper Freeman, or Bill Gates, or a whole lot of other folks here in the great Northwest. But compared to the most of the planet's population, I'm doing fabulous.

In short, I'm a pretty happy camper who just can't believe his good luck, being born here in this time and place. So to me, the taxes I pay are no big deal.

How about you, you doin' OK?

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 10:42 AM
33. Rush Limbaugh Fan;
Doin ok now, but not feeling good about 2010. We will see and it also depends on how the legislature and Chrissy decide to squander the coming tax increases.

Posted by: REBEL on November 4, 2009 11:03 AM
34. How about redoing 601- the one that passed and the legislature later killed?

Posted by: swatter on November 4, 2009 11:12 AM
35. Tim, thanks for the effort on 1033.

It's defeat speaks more to our collective aversion to self control than anything else.

Posted by: mark on November 4, 2009 01:25 PM
36. Rush Fan,
You work for a large corporation while own a small business that struggles everyday under the weight of an overburdening and wasteful government. Try that for a while and we'll see how you feel. If Eyman is such a bad person (going about proposing change via initiative) how do you feel about all of the "czars" who don't have to account to anyone yet can set pay for the same evil corporate fat cats you work for. As I see it this guy is execising his rights and the fact that is pisses you of so makes me smile...

Posted by: bob on November 4, 2009 03:14 PM
37. Yo Bob:

I asked Rebel earlier to tell me where the waste was. So far, no attempt to answer.

Maybe you can fill me in.

While you are at it, tell me what are the burdens on your small business? Do you mean taxes? Is your small business somehow taxed differently than your competitors? Or are there other burdens?

I would be interested to hear more about this and even learn something.

You're right, I work for a large corporation. How do I feel about the "czar" controlling salaries? He doesn't have anything to say about my company, we're not a financial institution taking money from the govt.

How would I feel about it if they did? My theory is that the shareholders should ultimately control salaries. If the govt is a shareholder, then I've no problem with their exerting their control.

Not sure where you got the idea I was pissed. I'm not. I'm certainly astonished at the gullibility of folks who continue to give money to someone like Tim Eyman, but hey, those same folks give money to their churches every year and get about the same thing Eyman delivers; nothing but false hope.

Anyway, glad I could make you smile.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 03:41 PM
38. I know how hard it is to fight for something you believe in and lose in. Though I'm happy I-1033 failed, I think those who fought for it and lost don't deserve to be mocked or teased.

Posted by: John Jensen on November 4, 2009 03:42 PM
39. John:

I must respectfully disagree.

These folks regard liberals as "the enemy of the nation", right up there, if not more dangerous than Islamic Fundamentalists.

I've actually heard Rush Limbaugh say all liberals should be eliminated, save maybe one or two for a museum somewhere so they can be regarded with the opprobrium we save for say, the perpetrators of the holocaust.

So yes, they need to be teased, mocked, and subject to the ridicule they have so richly earned. They should be held up to the polity for all to see in the harshest light we can shine on them. Let the American people decide if they want this group taking us "forward" into the 21st century.


Rebel and Bob took up the torch and responded. Good for them. But they stopped way short of discussing the issues and lapsed into name calling.

Bob implies he is a small business owner, burdened by onerous and pointless government regulation; which limits his business' productivity and competitiveness.

OK, I'm all ears. What is the burden? How does it reduce your ability to compete?

No response.

Rebel says:

"Rush Limbaugh Fan, Todd Reeves, Quincy:; Three friends of millionaires who make their money off of other peoples taxes and are not ashamed to soak them for more and give them less. Three suckers who continue to reward mediocrity and incompitence in government. Three people who no doubt somehow have ill-gained at the average taxpayers expense. Three people who help evict grandma from her home. Three people who make it near impossible for a young person to own their own home. Three people who are unconscionable swine."

Yet when I ask to name the millionaires, thieves, and waste, he too becomes strangely silent.

So yes, they need to be teased, mocked, and subject to the ridicule they have so richly earned. They should be held up to the polity for all to see in the harshest light we can shine on them. Let the American people decide if they want this group taking us "forward" into the 21st century.


I vote not.

Your thoughts?

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Fan on November 4, 2009 09:28 PM
40. I might be a swine, but I am not an unconscionable swine. I am, though, genuinely suggesting that initiatives such as I-1033 might have more traction if Tim Eyman were not attached to them. There is certainly the feeling out there that Tim Eyman promotes these "populist" initiatives because that it how he makes his living -- paying himself a salary from the donations that he obtains from well-meaning people. With the failure of I-1033 -- even in Eastern Washington -- it should be clear to those donors that he isn't worth the salary. I-1033 was overwhelmingly outspent by funds raised (or funneled, whatever) from government workers' unions, but perhaps Eyman could have forgone his salary to fund advertising, especially in Eastern Washington -- where airtime is pretty cheap.

And, of course, Eyman now promises to fine tune this proposed legislation and try again. Why shouldn't he? He has a mortgage to pay, like most of the rest of us.

Could it not be any clearer, with this result, that the emperor has no clothes? Time for a new emperor. One with clothes.

Posted by: Todd Reeves on November 4, 2009 11:10 PM
41. Tim, thanks to you, Jack, Mike, and all the unnamed helpers and supporters for giving us hope - REAL hope, not the "I'm gonna rob you blind" hope.
There's always going to be geoducks like RLF that are planted in the gravel to amuse themselves and distract from the issues with their saline squirting ability, but you're the Real Deal, and I know you will be there long after the gulls have carried away the mollusks.
Thanks Again

Posted by: 4woodenboats on November 4, 2009 11:12 PM
42. RLF;
I haven't responded to your question yet because, yes I do have a job and I have to stop and do it, sometimes it requires so much time that I don't have time to answer questions that have been answered numerous times. You say you are Rush Limbaugh's biggest fan yet you don't listen to what he's saying. Otherwise you would know that he is not a racist, if you call Barack the magic negro a racist song, then you didn't listen to it.
Who are the thieves in government? Every six figure making bureacrat. And it pleases your type to call them public servants. They are overpaid and under worked. You prove to me that this statement is incorrect. You know so much about it and you seem to love them so. Every scumbag SOB that has the ear of a politician using lobbyists, getting things that are not necessary for the well being of Americans. Does the bridge to nowhere ring a bell? Do I have to list them again for another liberal dumbass that wont care what they are. They have been documented hundreds of times. The congressional post office mean anything to you? No, I won't spend any more time trying to convince someone that thinks big government is fine. I could lay it all out for you, and you may even agree with me on some of the points, (I know better than to think you would agree with all of them) but like all good liberals you will forget by tomorrow and be right back where we began, so I view educating you as a waste of time. In fact whenever I see people arguing with lefties on this blog I think that the only good that comes from it is that it exposes how illogical lefties are.

Posted by: REBEL on November 5, 2009 10:00 AM
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