December 29, 2009
Pay raises for the powerful when others are getting cut

How can we get control of our budget? Expect a multi-billion dollar "stimulus" from The One? Not!

Union state workers will be getting pay increases next year, says The Olympian. Cuts? Yes, there are, but not where the unions have power. The Tacoma News Tribune says state workers are willing to share the pain, but their leaders won't allow them to.

But Christine Gregoire says it's not that the unions are too powerful, but, well ... she won't cross them.

The Capitol Report:

Austin Jenkins asked why not look at state workers: They're the most expensive part of state government.

"When you do something that people believe to be illegal, you get sued," she said, "so, if I unilaterally, in violation of contracts, take some of the actions that you just articulated, I am going to get sued," she said.

He asked if that was a sign that state unions were too powerful. "This is not about power ... we have people now that are doing critical work. You want me to let go of state patrol officers? I am not willing," she said.

This law must have a name; it happens every budget cycle: When Gregoire has to save money by cutting something she puts what the public needs most, not at the bottom of the list, but at the top. Then, even more cynically, she accuses the questioner of making the proposal she brought up.

Tip: Evergreen Freedom Foundation

Posted by Ron Hebron at December 29, 2009 07:20 AM | Email This
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1. And therein lies the real power of our wonderful State. :)

Posted by: Duffman on December 29, 2009 07:55 AM
2.
He asked if that was a sign that state unions were too powerful. "This is not about power ... we have people now that are doing critical work. You want me to let go of state patrol officers? I am not willing," she said.

No, not State Patrol officers. How about noxious weed control officers? The Arts Commission? Any commission based upon a minority group? Merge the Department of Early Learning into the Department of Education? Merge the boards of registration into the Department of Licensing? The Growth Management board? Merge the Health Care Authority and the Health Care Facilities Authority into the Department of Health?

I could go on and on... There's lots of places you can start cutting before you cut the basics like police and fire, Chris you moron...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on December 29, 2009 07:55 AM
3. Putting what people view as high priority expenses -- police, fire, hospitals, park operations, libraries -- below the cut line is how the government games us into voting for tax increases. This technique is used at all levels of government.

Posted by: HardwareJunkie on December 29, 2009 08:08 AM
4. Is it finally time for the taxpayers of this state (and country) to form a union so we won't get screwed over by our nominal employees that infest the halls of government?

Posted by: FurryOldGuyJeans on December 29, 2009 08:16 AM
5. Putting what people view as high priority expenses -- police, fire, hospitals, park operations, libraries -- below the cut line is how the government games us into voting for tax increases. This technique is used at all levels of government, city, county, state, and Federal.

Posted by: HardwareJunkie on December 29, 2009 08:24 AM
6. No, Princess Gregoire will not release any State Patrol officers, they bring in too much revenue for the State. It is well known that The Highway Bandits, as the Washington State Patrol are known as, are capable of doing far more marauding upon the purse of the Public than, protecting the Public. But, you're Right...Dan. How about reducing all the internal Fat, the inefficiency, overlapping and duplicity of departments, the termination of unnecessary departments, over staffing, overpay and benefits and especially, the offices of Government that only serve to be a burden/enemy to the purse, rights and Freedoms of the Taxpayer. Naah...Government does not want to Retreat. If it is Forced to pull back some, you better Believe that Government will strike upon the essential Services that will hurt Society the most as Punishment upon Society for demanding that Government cut Spending. Bottom Line:..Government wants to continue to Grow and will do so until it collapses the Society that supports and pays the Bills.

Posted by: Daniel on December 29, 2009 08:33 AM
7.
"I have had some very interesting discussions with people in the business community who I think have learned, you can't run state government like a business," ~ Queen Christine.

That's your problem, Guvnah. Thinking isn't your strong suit. But if they awarded a nationally recognized "incompetence in state stewardship" award, you'd be a shoe-in for that particular dubious honor. We should have flushed her last November 2008, but then, we as a state need a preponderance of intelligence within the electorate to achieve this goal, and we aren't there yet.

Posted by: Rick D. on December 29, 2009 09:02 AM
8. Queen Christine is a LIAR! I have associated with numerous businessmen and NEVER would a businessman be of the opinion that running State Government using good business skills, would be detrimental to running good State Government.

Posted by: Daniel on December 29, 2009 09:16 AM
9. They always use police and fire as a way of justifying the unions.

The truth is they are only a small portion of the union employees.

Posted by: Vince on December 29, 2009 09:40 AM
10. I think I'll run my business like a government and just make people give me money or I'll send them to prison.

Posted by: Gary on December 29, 2009 09:40 AM
11. Yes Christine is a power mongering coward.

Leadership isn't pointing out what the current power broker is doing wrong (it's the only thing democrats are good at besides spending and taxing).

It begs the question: If you were Queen Christine, where should the cuts go?

Posted by: Andy on December 29, 2009 10:26 AM
12. Of course Gregoire protects the wants of the unions since they helped steal her elections and pumped millions into her campaigns. The voters did nothing to help her Imperial Majesty and so get ignored.

Posted by: FurryOldGuyJeans on December 29, 2009 10:37 AM
13. So a good percentage of state workers are up for raises up to 5%, according to Tacoma New Tribune editorial. So what?... let them have it. The state just gave a 7% wage increase to my employees out on the shop floor... 7%. Of course it is a bit 'invisible' in that they won't see it. They will in fact see a net decrease in take home. Why?

Unemployment tax for us is up not 7%... but 440%. L&I workers comp is up 72%.

Now does this make sense? Is this going to encourage us to hire more workers? Hello? This is insanity. I told my crew the governor gave them a wage increase but... they won't see it. But, we will have to cut back and no 401k'ish plan this next year and will be harder to give 'real' pay increases and no... I am not eager to hire ANYONE NEW, PERIOD.

Posted by: don on December 29, 2009 11:28 AM
14. The collectivism in public employee unions is in large part what is destroying our economy. Since the only oversight in pay raises is another public employee union bureaucrat, there's nothing but continual cost escalation. And it's those high costs, which then become the norm, that make American labor unaffordable, and raise the cost of all of our goods and services, and/or offshore jobs altogether.

The market would not bear the pay that these public employees demand. But their fat cat representation will just keep asking for more, no matter the damage.

Posted by: Jeff B. on December 29, 2009 11:39 AM
15. Isn't the WEA the largest public employee union out there? Funny how she wouldn't say "teachers" instead of "state patrol officers". We've just had seven officers shot or killed in the last six weeks, and her first response is to threaten to cut police. It is the height of cynicism.

But this state deserves it. They keep electing these fools, and then wonder how things got messed up.

Just wait until the new health care reform bill hits the state budget. It will be the mother of all unfunded mandates. And, of course, all of our elected Democrats just love the idea.

Posted by: janet s on December 29, 2009 12:01 PM
16. The part of Gregoire's quote that didn't get printed: "Well, the unions poured way, waaaay too much money into my campaign to allow me to do anything like make cuts where they are concerned. So because they have bought me off, you will all just have to put up with inefficiency. Tough toasties, everybody"!"

Posted by: Yosemite Sam on December 29, 2009 12:49 PM
17. #16...you might have added...'and ditto's for the tribes'. Bwahahahahha :)

Posted by: Duffman on December 29, 2009 12:52 PM
18. Why are public sector unions even legal? What good does it do for police and fire personel to be forced to pay dues to a union that can never strike and always "negotiates" through binding arbitration?

The unions are behind all of the anti-competitive, anti-liberty, pro-government, pro-tax laws these days. They have completely priced themselves out of the global labor market and are now locked in an incestuous circle jerk with Democrats to stay relevent.

Remember the cold complaints about American corporate wellfare? Well this is blatant union wellfare going on in the open like nothing is wrong.

Posted by: blindman on December 29, 2009 03:45 PM
19. I have been a state employee for over 15 years. When I first started, the position was union only. Just out of college, I needed a job so I didn't have much of a choice. A few years later, I got a different job and being in the union was optional. I bailed immediately. Then a few years ago, the unions pressured the Governor to make mine and several thousand positions union again so I was forced to be in the union. As a result, I get local, state and national union propaganda in the mail frequently. The unions in this state are way too powerful. We're in the hole financially. Cuts are being made everywhere, but thousands are going to get raises? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by: 4k78 on December 29, 2009 05:46 PM
20. "You want me to let go of state patrol officers?" Sounds exactly what Ron Sims said years ago: "I guess the voters want us to reduce expenditures in law enforcement and fire protection."

What a joke.

Posted by: Michael H on December 29, 2009 05:51 PM
21. @18, You are Right...blindman. Unions are Illegal unelected Intruders invading the Rights of the Citizenry to having the say in the accountability of the expenses through our elected Representatives. The Unions circumvent this accountability by dictating wages and benefits rather than, the elected Representatives elected by the People setting the wages and benefits. This Usurping of the Vote of the People on who should run Government is Greatly compromised by the presents of the Corrupting influence of the uninvited and Criminal Intrusion/Invasion of the Unions upon our Democracy. Government Unions are a Crime upon the People and should be Outlawed and dealt with as any Criminal Organization should be, with the fullest extent and more of the LAW!

Posted by: Daniel on December 29, 2009 06:29 PM
22. We should all be glad that Senator Jim DeMint is holding the appointment of the director of the TSA, until he has an agreement that TSA inspectors will not be unionized. In this case, it isn't just a crime against the budget. It is a matter of national security.

Posted by: janet s on December 29, 2009 06:54 PM
23. Our government is infested with incompetent turds:

"Guantanamo detainees should not be released to Yemen at this time," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said in a statement. "It is too unstable." ...

Gee, some of us were saying this *before* they tried to blow up our airplane last week, Diane.

We just released some to Yemen a few weeks ago.

It's sheer luck that Political Correctness didn't kill 300 people on Christmas day. It killed a bunch of people at Ft. Hood and yet the government refuses to recognize the enemy. And when it does, (we knew about this guy in August) it just chooses to *not* do anything and allows a terrorist to get on our plane. Or, in the case of Hasan, it chooses to promote him to Major.

Posted by: Gary on December 30, 2009 06:44 AM
24. Every time a cut is proposed (i.e. tax cuts), public safety is held hostage by liberals in power in order to save their pet services.

Posted by: Mark on December 30, 2009 10:23 AM
25. The front line is taking all the cuts while the fat cat political cronies at the top of every agency don't lose a penny.

That's the real story, not the contract step raises.
Those same rules apply to non represented employees.

Most of the WMS, and EMS, managers make more than triple the front line workers losing jobs.

That's the REAL rip-Off of the WA taxpayer, not the step raises going to a small percentage of the front line.

Posted by: JoeBandMember on December 30, 2009 03:24 PM
26. Yet the cons have nothing to say about CEO pay that is 400x lowest line worker pay in the case of Wal Mart!!!

Posted by: Crusader on December 30, 2009 03:26 PM
27. #26. Nobody makes me give Wal-Mart my money. Whether I give Wal-Mart my money is a choice that I have... a freedom. Whether or not I pay taxes is not.

Posted by: Gary on December 30, 2009 03:31 PM
28. Great article about the disconnect between public and private employees. I guess guaranteed jobs and raises really make one ignore the real-world problems the rest of us are experiencing...

Posted by: Shanghai Dan on December 30, 2009 04:33 PM
29. Yet the cons have nothing to say about CEO pay that is 400x lowest line worker pay in the case of Wal Mart!! ~crusader

...and why are confused liberal types always conflating the public and private sectors? Don't they know their ignorance just shines through when they comment on something they don't understand? Apparently not.

Posted by: Rick D. on December 30, 2009 04:57 PM
30. Keep it going, Sen DeMint. This TSA director thing is a big political charade, just to see how much the Democratics can flaunt power.

Screw them - they have had almost a year to appoint that position and they are trying to cover up for their incompetence. They are planning to appoint another feckless candidate. What goes around comes around...

Posted by: KDS on December 30, 2009 08:14 PM
31. This is why we need to always vote against tax levies for critical services (fire, police, medical, etc.). Our corrupt politicians are getting us to vote for tax increases by cutting essential services from the general fund so their pet projects can remain, knowing that the people will save the essential services with a special levy. After all, who would vote against funding your local fire station?

Posted by: Seabecker on December 30, 2009 09:20 PM
32. Bruce Barlett over at Forbes has written a logical criticism of the impact of WINGNUT stupidity as applied to legislation. You should not read this.

Why health care reform and tax laws are suffering
.

"It's an article of faith among right-wingers, especially the tea party crowd, that all of the United States' ills happen because Republicans in Congress don't stand for principle. They believe that whenever you compromise with evil, the result is evil, so every politician should support conservatives' principles come hell or high water, damn the torpedoes.

For example, their position on health care reform is that it's pure evil--it's unconstitutional for the government to force anyone to buy health insurance, to tax anyone to pay for someone else's coverage or interfere with the free market in any way, even if people die as a consequence.

The right-wing solution to the uninsured is simply to define them out of existence. As Dr. John Goodman, one of John McCain's health advisers, explained to the Dallas Morning News last year, "The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American--even illegal aliens--as uninsured....So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved." His Orwellian logic is that hospital emergency rooms are by law available even to those that cannot pay; therefore, everyone by definition has health coverage.

Putting aside the stupidity of this position, it's unrealistic to elect 219 Ron Pauls, Michele Bachmanns or John Goodmans to the House of Representatives, plus 60 more in the Senate and a president who won't veto their efforts--that's what it would take to repeal the coming health reform legislation. Nevertheless, right-wingers insist that this is what they will do after the next election--and any Republican not on board can expect someone from the tin-foil-hat brigade to run against them even if it means electing a Democrat instead, as was the case recently in New York's 23rd Congressional district.

There is no question that there are at least a few sensible conservative ideas about health reform worth considering; malpractice reform is one. And I believe that Democrats desperately wanted a bipartisan bill and would have given a lot to get a few Republicans on board. This undoubtedly would have led to enactment of a better health bill than the one we are likely to get.

But Republicans never put forward an alternative health proposal. Instead, they took the position that our current health system is perfect just as it is."

Posted by: MikeBoyScout on December 31, 2009 07:42 AM
33. And therein lies the real power of our wonderful State. :) Posted by Duffman at December 29, 2009 07:55 AM

That kind of thing will killing our liberties and capitalism. Global corporatists are honing in a seamless One World Government that will squeeze out our liberties and sovereignty.

Posted by: KDS on January 2, 2010 12:07 PM
34. A rebuttal to Bartlett's article - he had a number of things wrong. After you read this, see Bartlett's article, as cut and pasted by the resident leftwingnut globalist corporatist in #32

"Bruce makes several compelling points in the article, especially when he notes that it will be virtually impossible to repeal a bad bill after 2010 or 2012, but there are good reasons to disagree with his analysis. First, he is wrong in stating that Republicans were united against any compromise. Several GOP senators spent months trying to negotiate something less objectionable, but those discussions were futile. Also, I'm not sure it's correct to assert Republicans took a the-current-system-is-perfect position.

They may not have offered a full alternative (they did have a few good reforms such as allowing the purchase of insurance across state lines), but their main message was that the Democrats were going to make the current system worse. Strikes me as a perfectly reasonable position, one that I imagine Bruce shares. But let's further explore Bruce's core hypothesis: Would compromise have generated a better bill? It's possible, to be sure, but there are also several reasons why that approach may have backfired:

1. It's not clear a policy of compromise would have produced a less-objectionable bill. Would Senate Democrats have made more concessions to Grassley and Snowe rather than Lieberman and Nelson (much less whether the "concessions" would have been good policy)? And even if Reid made some significant (and positive) concessions, is there any reason to think those reforms would have survived a conference committee with the House? Yet the compromising Republicans probably would have felt invested in the process and obliged to support the final bill - even if the conference committee produced something worse than the original Senate Democrat proposal.

2. A take-no-prisoners strategy may be high risk, but it can produce high rewards. In the early 1990s, the Republicans took a no-compromise position when fighting Bill Clinton's health plan (aka, Hillarycare), and that strategy was ultimately successful. We still don't know the final result of this battle (much less how events would have transpired with a different strategy), but if the long-term goal is to minimize government expansion, a no-compromise approach is perfectly reasonable.

3. A principled opposition to government-run healthcare will help win other fights. The Democrats ultimately may win the healthcare battle, but the leadership will have been forced to spend lots of time and energy, and also use up lots of political chits. Does anyone now think they can pass a "climate change" bill? The answer, almost certainly, is no.

4. A principled approach can be good politics, which can eventually lead to good policy. Democrats wanted a few Republicans on board in part to help give them political cover. The aura of bipartisanship would have given Democrats a good talking point for the 2010 elections ("my opponent is being unreasonable since even X Republicans also supported the legislation"). That fig leaf does not exist now, which makes it more likely that Democrats will pay a heavy price during the mid-term elections. It is impossible to know whether 2010 will be a 1994-style rout, or whether the newly-elected Republicans will quickly morph into Bush-style big-government conservatives (who often do more damage to liberty than Democrats), but at least there is a reasonable likelihood of more pro-liberty lawmakers.

When all is said and done, Bruce's strategy is not necessarily wrong, but it does guarantee defeat. Government gets bigger and freedom diminishes. For reasons of principle and practicality, Republicans should do the right thing."

Posted by: KDS on January 2, 2010 12:16 PM
35. Written by Dan Mitchell (hat tip: biggovernment.com)

Posted by: KDS on January 2, 2010 12:17 PM
36. MikeBS, do you HAVE to be as empty-headed as you to be a fringe left nutter?

You cutting and pasting a number of lies does not make them true. Playing the role of a moron does nothing for you or your bizarre positions, so do us a favor... and stop.

Posted by: Hinton on January 2, 2010 08:50 PM
37. It isn't a proposal - its a threat.

She is saying that if she has to make cuts - the first she will choose, of her own free will be cut will be Police, Fire, and Medical.

She is threatening the health and safety of citizens in order to get her political way.

Posted by: Greg on January 3, 2010 10:39 AM
38. What we need is a great big list of all the stupid spending - and there's a lot of it - that Gov. Gregiore wants to continue to spend money on while cutting essential services.

Creating newspaper/tv/radio ads with the lists and pointing out Gov. Gregoires true priorities would have a lot of impact on the electorate.

Posted by: johnny on January 4, 2010 09:15 AM
39. The entire goal of government is to always be increasing its share of the the GDP. Always.

Posted by: Crusader on January 4, 2010 12:35 PM
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