February 07, 2010
Which Census Questions I Won't Answer

There's ten questions on the 2010 census questionnaire. I believe several of them cannot legally be required, and I won't be answering them.

The Constitution says on the subject:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

The point here is twofold: a. that the federal government gets to count us, and b. that they can do it in such manner the law directs. Implied in the latter part, of course, implies "that doesn't violate the Constitution." Otherwise, they could just make pass a law that says "no one may criticize the Census," and it would not violate the First Amendment.

That's obviously silly, but it's the argument they actually make when they say they can require us to provide any information they choose to force us to provide, despite the fact that the Constitution says they cannot.

There's four types of questions on the form. The first is the explicitly constitutional one: the number of people living there; the second is about whether those people sometimes live elsewhere; the third type is individual identification: name, phone number; the fourth is demographic information for the purposes of tailoring government programs: age, sex, gender, and home ownership.

The first type of question is obviously legitimate, speaking directly to the point of the census as explained in the Constitution. The second is arguably legitimate, as it can aid in preventing double-counting.

The third type -- personal identifying information -- is arguably legitimate as well, for the same basic reason: helping to get an accurate count. Naming each person can aid the respondent in listing all the people properly, and the phone number might be used for clarification if necessary.

The fourth type, though ... it's pure nonsense. In fact, the federal government explicitly states the purpose is all about government programs, instead of enumeration. The constitutional purpose of the census is not served. This questions can, arguably, still be allowed and required, however, if any other part of the constitution is not violated in the process.

Unfortunately for the government, however, the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments do protect my right to privacy. Government cannot compel this extra-constitutional information from me without following due process, and "passing a law" is not due process.

So in the end, I'll only be answering the questions about how many people live here. I am undecided whether I will provide any names of the people living here. The justification is shaky, and it's arguable either way. I'll give them my phone number, though. The Census Bureau will be free to call me and ask for clarification, which will include recitations of relevant portions of the Constitution and legal precedents like Griswold v. Connecticut.

Cross-posted on <pudge/*>.

Posted by pudge at February 07, 2010 08:51 PM | Email This
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1. Ok, I don't get this. I mean sure those questions are most certainly not legally required. I worked for the Census 10 years ago and we were pretty much told that if anyone did not want to answer a question that was fine. So long as we got a count, even if that meant asking a neighbor, the form was complete.

I am not really aware of anyone being hassled to answer them or punished for not.

What I don't get is why not give it? Its not super privileged information, nor is it anything that could be used for anything nefarious. It is however some pretty useful information for governments, historians, people 100 years from now building a family tree, etc. When I was doing some political science work census data was invaluable. Why not help out? Its not required, but it does seem like a perfectly fine thing to do.

Posted by: Giffy on February 7, 2010 09:49 PM
2. I will be filling out my Census form completly. However, Some of the questions I will answer NYOB (None Of Your Business) or NBBM (Nobody's Business But Mine.) I am willing to accept the punishment. How about you?

Posted by: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner on February 7, 2010 10:11 PM
3. Giffy:

First, federal law says they ARE legally required, and they have penalties for not responding. As far as I know it's been decades since they fined anyone though. And, of course, my point is that the legal requirement violates the Constitution.

Second, why not give it? Several reasons. The first is that they are trying to violate my Constitutional rights, and that's as good a reason as any. Maybe if they asked nicely instead of violating my rights by ordering me to respond, then I'd be more likely to respond, but rights fade away if they are not upheld. So that's a good enough reason on its own. If I had no other reasons whatsoever, this alone would justify my refusal.

Further, this information can be and is used for nefarious reasons, reasons I already gave: they use the information to try to tailor government programs based on an area's demographic makeup. It is "useful," as you put it, in designing and implementing programs in ways that many of us dislike (and in many ways that are, additionally, unconstitutional), and in taking tax money away from one area and giving it to another. I see nothing "perfectly fine" about this. Government should treat everyone equally, and, thus, has no reason to care about my sex, race, age, or home ownership.

The government could force us to tell them what we ate for breakfast; how many times we had sex last year, and with whom; what our favorite color is; who we voted for in the last election. This also could be "invaluable" information for government agents, or work in political science and other fields. Obviously, what someone finds "invaluable" is irrelevant to the question: what matters is what information is being taken, for what reason, and whether it's justified.

I am not interested in "helping" anyone's work here: I am interested first and foremost in securing liberty (which is supposed to be the government's primary job, according to the document that founded this nation, but since it's not doing that job, someone has to).

Posted by: pudge on February 7, 2010 10:13 PM
4. Mathew, no, I am not willing to accept any punishment for asserting my rights under the Constitution. Any such punishment would be a further violation of my rights. I would certainly fight it in court, and would most likely win.

This is why, by the way, no one is penalized anymore: they know they would likely lose in court. But the penalties remain on the books so they can try to scare people. So they are being extremely dishonest, too: saying it's illegal to not respond and trying to scare people into responding, all the while knowing that the only reason they don't actually penalize anyone is because if they did, the law would change and they could no longer scare people into responding.

Which is another excellent reason to not respond to those questions.

Posted by: pudge on February 7, 2010 10:16 PM
5. Pudge:

I know that what you say is probially true. I do not believe that the goverment will come after me. However, If they do I will fight it in court. If I lose I will accept punishment. That is the price of Civil Disobedience.

So I will answer 1,2,5,6 and 7
I will answer 3,4,8,9 and 10 with NOYB or NBBM.

Posted by: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner on February 7, 2010 10:40 PM
6. 10 years ago the Census Taker wanted me to answer some questions and the only question I answered was as to who I was. He came back a second time and didn't get any further than, the first time and that was the last I saw of him. What a Joke! It's Ridiculous in this day of age where personal information is so readily available from your birth certificate, schooling, job, IRS, etc. for the Census Taker to ask any questions other than, who you are. Those Dumb questions are just, a bunch of Silly make-work Government duplicity and Red Tape. Anybody who wants to dutifully answer a bunch of nonsense questions that have no real constructive purpose other than, being a bunch of pumped up paperwork, is allowing Government to waste their time.

Posted by: Daniel on February 7, 2010 10:41 PM
7. Great job, Pudge.
On this issue, you are a good libertarian.
I'll be doing the same thing as you are with my census form.

Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on February 7, 2010 11:58 PM
8. Giffy,

When I told the census worker ten years ago that I declined to answer any questions other than the number of people living in my house she got very snotty with me. I pointed out that the Constitution was pretty clear on what she needed to ask me and then terminated the interview by shutting my door. They came back a second time (a different person) and she was much nicer about it and didn't push the issue when I explained to her why I refused to answer. I really didn't appreciate the first girls attitude though. Nice to know they don't teach workers to be rude, better if they didn't ask questions under the guise of "counting the people" that are extra-Constitutional.

Posted by: Calvin A on February 8, 2010 05:54 AM
9. I recently had the pleasure of getting "selected" to participate in the American Community Survey. I declined to participate. First, the Census dept has no enforcement authority. Second, to enforce this they would have to find a US Attorney to take on the case. Third, should this ever go to court, it would not withstand constitutional scrutiny. Fourth, from my research, only one person has ever been prosecuted. That person lied on the census. It is actually better to not answer the questions rather than provide false information.

The census worker came to my house and I told her I wasn't going to fill it out, I would fill out the constitutional information on the decennial census but no more. She said OK and left. Lots of people report bullying and threats from census workers towards those who don't participate.

Posted by: William on February 8, 2010 07:49 AM
10. Same as Bruce G. I never answer questions about "race" or "ethnicity." The racism today is on the side of those who want to categorize us. When people say "African American," I ask them if they know where their ancestors came from. Today's brown skinned people are no more African than I am Dutch. It's all simply a difference in the melanin in our skin due to the historical accident of human migration patterns.

Don't answer race questions, and don't let the racist Progressives categorize people based on their color. People come in many different colors, just like flowers. What matters is our integrity, work ethic, attitude, achievement, and the rest of the content of our character.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 8, 2010 07:52 AM
11. Nice to see that pudge recognizes that a right to privacy is protected by the Constitution.

Posted by: wayne on February 8, 2010 08:39 AM
12. There's a simple solution, tried and proven by the dems own Hillary Clinton.
"I don't recall"
If it's good enough for senators, it's good enough for a census.

Posted by: PC on February 8, 2010 09:46 AM
13. Of course I believe in a right to privacy. I obviously don't believe a right to privacy implies a right to kill though, anymore than it implies a right to own slaves.

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2010 09:52 AM
14. The census for self employed people is even more invasive- and I seem to get it annually along with nastygrams for not sending it back in.

The last one I sent back in with magic marker stating I would fill it out as soon as they cut ACORN off from anything to do with the census.

Posted by: andy on February 8, 2010 09:59 AM
15. Pudge,

"The government could force us to tell them what we ate for breakfast;"

It is already coming to that. King County government is mandating that, in order to receive the lowest out-of-pocket medical benefits, employees must complete a program in which they record, over several weeks, the intake of vegetables in their diet. This has been going on for the last several years now, and this year it is worse. Employees are now required to perform readings and take exams relating to their diet or exercise habits. If I remember correctly, this year�s programs will require and the average person spends 30 minutes per day for 50 days to complete. One does not have to participate, but the alternative is higher out-of-pocket expense for medical coverage. I suppose the next requirement will be notarized copies of grocery receipts. Sheesh! One can only imagine where this is leading.

Posted by: Jack on February 8, 2010 11:37 AM
16. well said pudge. the only beef I have is that you say the 4th type is okay so long as it does not violate any other part of the constitution. I think you are forgettting the 10th amendment saying that if it is not explicitly cited, then then the feds do not have the authority.

Posted by: Lysander on February 8, 2010 12:15 PM
17. Anyone know if the Census interviews and counts Illegal Aliens to be used for alloting representation in congress? If they are, why are they? If they have no legal right to be here and they cannot legally vote why should they be counted toward demographics for federal funding models and congressional representation?

Posted by: Smokie on February 8, 2010 01:58 PM
18. #17, they WILL count illegals, you can bet on that.

Posted by: Mr_Write on February 8, 2010 06:41 PM
19. Smokie, well, look at the Constitution again: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned ... according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

You don't see anything there about noncitizens (except for untaxed Indians) being excluded from the enumeration. So unless those illegal aliens are untaxed Indians ...

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2010 07:58 PM
20. Smokie@17, the answers to your questions are in the part of the Constitution that pudge quoted in the original post. If you don't like them, change the Constitution.

Posted by: Bruce on February 8, 2010 08:05 PM
21. So the Census has not modified their enumeration standards since the abolition of Slavery and Native Americans being given full U.S. Citizenship? Hmmm. But why should they be counted for representation if they cannot vote for the representatives even if they are of legal age to do so?

Posted by: Smokie on February 8, 2010 08:08 PM
22. I ran experiment in the last census. I said we were Pacific Islander (we are not). Odd and small enough group that it’s highly unlikely I wouldn’t get any political focus material otherwise lacking any identification of being Pacific Islander in any other form or database. Well guess what? Next election period I start getting minority focus materials from Democrats for Pacific Islanders. Best one was a photo of Hillary on the steps of the capitol with Pacific Islanders she had promoted in the government or otherwise was helping their causes.
Don’t tell me they don’t have access to the results for political uses. I will only be answering the basic questions. I urge you all to do the same.

Posted by: sokala on February 8, 2010 08:08 PM
23. Smokie@21, you've heard of the 14th amendment? It modified the passage that pudge quoted to include non-whites.

The Indian clause has never been changed, but I believe it has long since been irrelevant as "Indians not taxed" referred to those in unsettled parts of the country.

Posted by: Bruce on February 8, 2010 10:24 PM
24. Bruce, there's nothing in what I quoted about "non-whites." It just says: "the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

So really none of this needs changing, since ALL people are now "free Persons" (or Indians not taxed, which I think don't exist anymore).

Posted by: pudge on February 8, 2010 11:25 PM
25. The federal gov't is spending over $300 million for a massive census-2010 ad campaign, including, of course, the $2.5 million Super Bowl ad for the census. In the past the fed gov't has run anti-drug ads in the Super Bowl. I guess it is now de rigeur for the gov't to have some kind of ad in the Super Bowl. Otherwise, we might forget that they are boss.

The ads I have seen urge us to fill out the census to ensure that we get our fair share of pork.

Posted by: travis t on February 9, 2010 02:40 AM
26. Pudge@24, while it's true that the original text arguably didn't have to change, it was superceded by the part of the 14th Amendment that reads:

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

Posted by: Bruce on February 9, 2010 09:10 AM
27. Right. I am just saying that the ORIGINAL did not exclude "non-whites," but slaves.

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2010 09:20 AM
28. I got hit by the American Community Survey (ACS) last year. It is the in-between-years mini-census that follows much the same laws as the census. I answered all the questions about myself, but refused or didn't know the answers about other adults in my house. There were several financial questions. I don't know and don't want to know the financial details of other adults in my house. We collectively pay the bills, and that's all I need to know. There were also several questions about the health of others in my household. I refused to answer those questions because I think it would be a violation of HIPAA laws for me to answer them. After much protest, they finally left me alone. Although I did "randomly" get audited by the IRS this year. Who knows?

Posted by: Vatar on February 9, 2010 01:58 PM
29. More American hating spew. Don't answer the questions, don't pay your taxes, pull your kids out of public schools. Get the F out of our Country if you hate it so much.

We are watching the fall of the Grand Old Party -they have been taken over by the kooker wing that hates the census and America in general.

sad.

Posted by: American and Proud on February 9, 2010 02:25 PM
30. I would not answer ANY question on the ACS. None at all. I would not even return it. There is no right of government to compel me to answer anything on it unless it is a part of the decennial census itself, which it is not.

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2010 02:25 PM
31. Wow. You think it is "American hating" to defend our Constitutional rights.

I wonder if you even realize that you're the only one expressing explicit hatred of America here?

Posted by: pudge on February 9, 2010 02:41 PM
32. @29: How is a someone's decision not to send there children to public school an act on anti-Americanism. I do not understand this. I think that everyone has the right to decide how there kids will be educated. In fact I believe parents have the right to overrule teachers.

Posted by: Mathew "RennDawg" Renner on February 10, 2010 02:58 AM
33. One thing you can always depend on with liberals is the when they claim to be something, the mean just the opposite. American and Proud...uhuh!

Posted by: Riiiight! on February 10, 2010 07:48 AM
34. In 1960 future National Review staffer William Rickenbacker refused to complete his form and was convicted after a one-day trial. He was given a suspended 60-day sentence, fined $100, and placed on probation for one day.

Posted by: Carol on February 10, 2010 06:02 PM
35. Carol, yes, that's the one time I know of anyone being prosecuted for it, and it would not happen today, because if it did, it would overturn the whole census system.

Posted by: pudge on February 10, 2010 06:45 PM
36. The six inquiries in 1790 called for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household of the following descriptions: Free White males of 16 years and upward (to assess the country’s industrial and military potential), free White males under 16 years, free White females, all other free persons (by sex and color), and slaves.

Only the head of household was listed by name until 1850 when each person was named.

By all means, decline to answer questions you think are too nosy, but if you have ever done any genealogy research, you know how valuable the censuses are to people who want to "find their roots".

Posted by: Seeker on February 12, 2010 11:09 PM
37. Seeker: to assess the country's industrial and military potential

And many people refused to answer. In the late 1790s, the Federalists violated the First Amendment. And conscription, a policy not much different from slavery that blatantly violates the most fundamental human rights, was used by the North and South in the Civil War. Saying it happened before does not justify it, then or now.


if you have ever done any genealogy research, you know how valuable the censuses are

If you have every done any historical research, you know what a slippery slope it is to allow government to assert powers over the people that it does not have. We allow the unconstitutional Social Security, and it is used to justify the unconstitutional Medicare, which are used to justify the unconstitutional "Obamacare." Lines must be drawn.

And let's be frank here: no genealogy research is more important than the rights of living people. Who has gone before us is interesting, but to sacrifice our rights on the altar of their memory makes no sense whatsoever.

If the government asked nicely, I'd consider it; if they claim they have the right to force me to answer, I will not answer.

Posted by: pudge on February 12, 2010 11:22 PM
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