1. Big Brother is Watching. Yes, that's Right! An Enemies List is being compiled by the Liberals and as soon as they feel they have the power and control to get away with it....Action will be taken.

Posted by: Daniel on April 22, 2009 11:17 PM

2. Yet another episode of "Conservative Hypocrisy on Parade!" Didn't quite object to this when anti-war protesters were the ones being photographed, were you?

Posted by: demo kid on April 23, 2009 10:26 AM

3. Yeah right, demo kid. I forgot Bush spied on everyone and listened to their phone conversations. He was going to establish a dictatorship and the he and Cheney and Rove would rule the world for oil!

Then there is a new Administration that is openly targeting veterans and "right wing extremists", as well as burning the midnight oil trying to figure out some tricky legal way to shut down conservative radio.

Big difference between the left and the right "kid". The left is the side that would take away our liberty. You lefties can't see through your biases clearly enough to figure it out.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 23, 2009 11:48 AM

4. Lets see....One group of protesters were well behaved and respectful. The other group was Loud, Vulgar, Out of Control, impeded the right of passage of Others and Trashed the Property of Others. Now Think, Who deserved to be photographed for being a threat to Society and Who deserved not to be photographed? Is this too much for you to put together demo?

Posted by: Daniel on April 23, 2009 01:33 PM

5. Remember all the Leftwingers who threw rocks and broke windows and trashed Seattle at the WTO? demo kid, there was none of that going on at any tea party. But you surely can understand why bad behavior by Leftists as I just described might have raised 'suspicion' by the authorities for future unhinged protest when in Seattle things got so horrible that the police were actually forced to wear RIOT GEAR to quell the completely-out-of-control leftwingers??
Suburban moms in jeans with strollers and guys in office workclothes like we saw at the tea parties just don't scare me.

Posted by: Michele on April 23, 2009 09:50 PM

6. I see that none of you deny that the same thing was done with peaceful left-wing protests. Justify it all you want, but you're pretty laughable with your double standards.

Posted by: demo kid on April 23, 2009 10:42 PM

7. Give us an example of when the FBI was photographing peaceful left-wing protesters. Give us an example of when left-wing protesters were peaceful and well behaved. Yeah...Nuff Said.

Posted by: Daniel on April 23, 2009 11:02 PM

8. demo kid, read the comments. It doesn't surprise me that the authorities are interested in leftwing rallies. Leftists are their own worst enemies, and their own worst reputation-spreaders. Look at all the bad stuff they keep doing at their rallies. Remember when those nitwits in Olympia threw cement on railroad tracks? And you think the police shouldn't at least take notice of what these characters do next? They might indeed look on a 'peaceful' protest and find nothing.Good on that, for once. But you all give them SO MANY reasons to be wary. Do you deny it? Seems that you are denying it.

Posted by: Michele on April 24, 2009 12:19 AM

9. Michele....You, I and others are wasting our time trying to show demo kid where he is amiss. He is a left-wing Fool and does not want the Truth. He loves to swim in his own Lies and the Lies of his fellow Lefties. He will continue to blab his illogical, disingenuous Crap. It appears, that demo is without any of GOD'S given Light to see Truth and will continue to Scream blindly in the Darkness.

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 12:54 AM

10. @7: Give us an example of when the FBI was photographing peaceful left-wing protesters. Give us an example of when left-wing protesters were peaceful and well behaved.

The FBI and local police ALWAYS photograph rallies and protests. It's a pretty sad practice, but not one specifically targeting the right-wingnuts.

And peaceful rallies? Well, you're invoking the WTO rally over and over again, but numerous anti-war protests downtown over the past several years didn't result in property damage or arrests.

@8: But you all give them SO MANY reasons to be wary. Do you deny it? Seems that you are denying it.

No, you have a few limited cases where morons seem to like to run amok. A FEW, LIMITED cases.

And in terms of throwing cement on railroad tracks... did I say that was right? No. But that's like saying that all right-wing protests are wrong because Fred Phelps is a d-bag.

@9: He is a left-wing Fool and does not want the Truth.

And you're a Right-Wing Fool that doesn't want to consider the whole truth. (Or the virtues of limited capitalization.)

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 07:14 AM

11. The FBI and local police ALWAYS photograph rallies and protests?...REALLY? As ALWAYS, your full of CRAP! In the First Place, not all rallies and protests are given the dignity of even being covered by the media or law enforcement and in the past, it was not the practice to photograph for the means of recording who was actively present at the rallies and protests. However, that is beginning to change. By the way, you forgot to mention that Homeland Security is now, presenting itself as an interested party in observing these protests. Also, you have failed to give an example of a peaceful and well behaved left-winged protest. That's because, on average, the marching orders of the "Rent a Mob" gang is to cause disruption and mayhem in an effort to make a stronger so-called statement and garner the greatest attention to ensure full coverage of their event. It just goes to show how disingenuous and criminal the Lefties are.

Once Again....Your full of CRAP!

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 09:35 AM

12. @11: As ALWAYS, your full of CRAP!

Nope. Just speaking the truth.

In the First Place, not all rallies and protests are given the dignity of even being covered by the media or law enforcement and in the past, it was not the practice to photograph for the means of recording who was actively present at the rallies and protests. However, that is beginning to change.

We're not talking about the media, just about law enforcement. And yes, it has been an active point of contention that local police and other authorities photograph folks at protests, even those who are peaceful and not threatening to do anything remotely illegal.

Also, you have failed to give an example of a peaceful and well behaved left-winged protest.

Your logic? Flawed. ONE example where a small number of whackos decided to engage in vandalism doesn't mean that ALL liberals at ALL protests do the same thing.

But how about this?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/education/2002599929_webprotest02.html

One example of someone "interfering with pedestrians" probably wouldn't strike a normal person as being an example of large-scale "disruption and mayhem" on the part of an entire crowd.

Look, I dispute the intentions of folks protesting against vague things like this, just like I was not enthusiastic about anti-war protests. I certainly don't plan to keep you from protesting whatever you like, even if it seems like you should be wearing tinfoil when you do it. But don't make some kind of petulant, whiny display when all the stuff that happened with left-wing protests over the past right years happens to apply to right-wing ones now. All it does is show that when the tables are turned, you're far more whiny than liberals, and that you're only willing to support the rights of people when they're people that you agree with.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 10:50 AM

13. Oops... that should be "the past EIGHT years". Silly lack of comment editing!

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 10:52 AM

14. I guess demo kid forgot about Critical Mass, a group of leftist bicycle riding idiots who deliberately block downtown traffic the last Friday of every month.

If there was any justice the Seattle Police would throw those crybabies in the slammer.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 11:53 AM

15. @14: I guess demo kid forgot about Critical Mass, a group of leftist bicycle riding idiots who deliberately block downtown traffic the last Friday of every month.

No, I was asked to give "an example of a peaceful and well behaved left-winged protest". I can agree with some of the objectives of Critical Mass without agreeing with their methods, just like you can hate the government without bombing government buildings.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 12:38 PM

16. Just, speaking the Truth....demo kid? What a Laugh! You have demonstrated time and time again on various posts on SP that you don't know what the Truth IS. Every time, you get called on your blabbing Crap, you come about with some side-stepping dance of trying to equate the peaceful demonstration represented by the Tea Party with the mindless disorderly Slop of your typical Leftest demonstration. What a Joke! You claim the Tea Party demonstrators and enthusiasts who have a legitimate complaint that the American people are being Taxed to Death is merely whining? What a Big Government Useful Idiot you are. Your Blind perspective, that Big Government is a good thing when, it is overtaxing, stealing the honest earnings of those who produce for Society, destroying our Liberty and our Right to the pursuit of Happiness is not a problem to be concern with, shows how limited a Dolt you are. But then, your a Liberal.

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 01:01 PM

17. I said until I am blue in the face. Demo kid and most leftists have no clue what conservatives believe. In #15 he implies that conservatives "hate the government". As simplistic as that comment may be it reveals what leftists commonly believe. Conservatives do indeed "hate" bloated, overeaching intrusive government. We don't "hate" government.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 01:12 PM

18. @15: It's fascinating how you just can't deny my points... you're just spewing out randomly capitalized insults. My argument was that left- and right-wing protests have been photographed by the authorities, but that you don't moan and complain when this happens to people who you don't agree with.

So what did you do when I said this? You went on a rant about big government. Sheesh. Get back on message.

@16: "You" in that statement reads as "one". "One" can hate government, "bloated" or otherwise, and not bomb a federal building. But the point is still valid, and you haven't refuted it.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 01:49 PM

19. I Have denied your points...IDIOT! What points haven't I dednied? Again, your Blabbing Nonsense. Your argument was making wrongful statements that protests have always been photographed. You have made other wrongful Sloppy statements as well. Your full of CRAP!.

Bottom Line: Conservatives know that Government is necessary for the Rule of Law. That Government is to protect us from abuses, domestic and foreign. They are there to Serve the People who pay the Bills. But, with the Liberals' help, they are serving themselves more and more and the people less and less and thereby becoming more of a Burden than a Service.

Throughout History, the Liberals have been the Useful Idiots of men who are more clever and powerful than, they are. They are minions who support the Tyrants and Destroyers of the World. The Liberal, among men, has always been the greatest enemy of Mankind itself.

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 02:14 PM

20. Yup Daniel. That's why whenever the left organizes a protest you need only do a small bit of research to reveal that communists and socialists are behind them.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 02:42 PM

21. @19: Again, you're confusing "ranting" with "arguing".

One article in particular that discusses what I'm talking about:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0323/p03s03-ussc.html

and then there's:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/03/aclu-counsel-st-paul-police-behavior-is-frightening/

Yet AGAIN, I'm arguing that this is taking place both against the left and the right, and that conservatives are whining about one when they made nary a peep about the other. You're just throwing around insults, and pretty bad capitalized ones at that.

But hey, let's be clear here. You're suggesting that it's okay for liberal groups to be photographed because they're liberal, but conservative groups shouldn't be photographed because they're conservative. Do I have your position down, or am I missing something?

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 02:50 PM

22. @20: That's why whenever the left organizes a protest you need only do a small bit of research to reveal that communists and socialists are behind them.

Good lord... bringing up straw men with a flawed argument doesn't help your case in the slightest.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 02:55 PM

23. Demo kid, find me one, just one anti-war or other leftist protest that didn't have "International Answer" or the Socialist Workers Party, or some other communist or socialist organization behind it. They'll disguise themselves sometimes but you can always find them.

We don't have to make up "straw men". We don't have to make up anything about you people.

Posted by: Bill Cruchonq on April 24, 2009 03:10 PM

24. @23: Demo kid, find me one, just one anti-war or other leftist protest that didn't have "International Answer" or the Socialist Workers Party, or some other communist or socialist organization behind it. They'll disguise themselves sometimes but you can always find them.

Why is this relevant, exactly? And tell me why that is different from saying that because some right-wing extremists have bombed a federal building, all right-wing extremists want to bomb federal buildings.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 03:38 PM

25. Demo @21....I doubt that anybody can be clear and get across Truth to a you. Of course, your missing something...Your missing a whole lot.

One more Try....When a protest violates public safety, rights and public and private property, yes, they should not only be photograph but, arrested. If a protest does not intrude on safety, rights of others then, what cause would there to be photograph? Get it? Naw...Your too Blind to get any perspective as to where it is at. Your a hard core Liberal and beyond common sense and reason. You are a complete waste of time. The only reason I have went this far with you is for the benefit of anyone more enlighten than you.

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 03:45 PM

26. It's relevant because you can't name a leftist demonstration that isn't sponsored by either communists or socialists and you know it.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 03:47 PM

27. @25: One more Try....When a protest violates public safety, rights and public and private property, yes, they should not only be photograph but, arrested. If a protest does not intrude on safety, rights of others then, what cause would there to be photograph?

Did I say that people that break the law shouldn't get arrested? No. What I said was that peaceful demonstrators, left AND right, are being photographed in this way.

Likewise, there are plenty of left-wing protests that do not "intrude on safety, [or the] rights of others". Does that mean that they SHOULD be photographed?

The reason why I don't "get it" is that you're not standing up to defend the rights of everyone to exercise their rights to free speech. You're taking an abuse that's happening to BOTH the right and the left, and twisting it so that you can play the victim. Pardon me if I don't join your pity party.

@26: It's relevant because you can't name a leftist demonstration that isn't sponsored by either communists or socialists and you know it.

That's funny! It's like a tautological merry-go-round of logic!

No, I'm trying to establish: a.) why you care who is protesting, and b.) why it matters to this specific discussion. If folks break the law, they can be arrested. If they don't, they shouldn't be disturbed or photographed and recorded by the authorities. It doesn't matter if these folks are Scientologists or Greens or hippies or veterans or whatever.

Of course, it SHOULDN'T matter if you really give a crap about the right to assemble, instead of just YOUR right to assemble.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 04:55 PM

28. The only people I notice who give "a crap about the right to assemble" or the right to speak freely on the radio are folks on the left.

And by the way, demo kid that is historically the way the left has always behaved. They crush free speech whenever they have the opportunity, or haven't you paid attention.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 05:32 PM

29. @28: No, now you're conflating two separate issues here. This discussion is about protests and being photographed, not about the Fairness Doctrine.

But if you say that the left is the only side that cares whether you have the right to assemble, that's great. I'm glad that we can work to protect YOUR constitutional rights for you! :)

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 06:00 PM

30. Hey demo....Trying to discuss and debate with you is futile. It's like talking to a Mud Fence. I've had this experience with you before. You blab around in circles, unable to deal objectively with specifics or grasp anything of value no matter how often and how well it is presented. I offer you this final advice...Pray to GOD for the Light to see Truth or you will remain with the Class of People who make up every conceivable misguided, blind, confused, stumbling, wrongful acts of Man. You will remain a LIBERAL!

Posted by: Daniel on April 24, 2009 06:18 PM

31. Yup, not about which side really wants to take away our liberty. Which side might that actually be, kid? Perhaps you ought to give that a bit of thought.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 06:25 PM

32. @30: You blab around in circles, unable to deal objectively with specifics or grasp anything of value no matter how often and how well it is presented.

I'm sorry, but you've been "blabbing around in circles" and presenting your arguments as a steady stream of insults. Explain to me how that is "objective".

@31: Yup, not about which side really wants to take away our liberty. Which side might that actually be, kid?

In terms of the "liberty" crack, you're going to have your beliefs no matter what I say. But you can't seem to get it through your head that I'm talking about a very specific issue: being photographed at a protest. Nothing that you've said disproves that it happens for both the left and the right, nothing that you've said disproves that the left has been vocal about this while the right hasn't really given a crap, and nothing that you've said proves that this is a secret government plot against conservatives.

So go ahead and seethe in your impotent fury. You haven't proven a damn thing here, except that when you're frustrated, you just decide to pull out the insults, as opposed to describing your position calmly and clearly.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 06:53 PM

33. You are freaking out, demo kid. Is it dawning on you that your liberal friends, (who pretend to be so tolerant and accepting), are in reality jack booted thought police? You can't name a single leftist that has been jailed protesting the Bush Administration. Yet your Obama Administration is openly going after "right wing extremists" including returning military veterans. And if that isn't enough you people are actively trying to crush right wing speech on the radio. That's the reality.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 07:20 PM

34. @33: Nope. Not freaking out. Just realizing that you can't answer a simple question. :)

But to follow your tangent, which is in no way relevant to what I've been saying, you're downplaying the sins of the Bush Administration, while grossly overexaggerating the actions of the Obama Administration.

So yeah, did I say that there were folks that were *jailed* simply because of protests against the Bush Administration? There are none that I can immediately recall. Have anti-war groups been infiltrated by the FBI in the past, though? Absolutely.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/02/11/cointelpro/index.html

Now, you can look at that and scoff, given that these folks don't share your worldview. However, don't go whining like a little baby about having your photo taken by the FBI if exactly the same thing is done to you when you protest. If you're not willing to stand up for the rights of everyone, this just demonstrates hypocritical thinking on your part.

Also, in terms of "crushing right wing speech on the radio", that's not exactly what the Fairness Doctrine does. It proposes that different sides of a controversial issue be given equivalent time on publicly regulated media to make their case. Personally, I'm not in support of it; while the idealogical tilt of talk radio is pretty clear, I think that trying to control it through regulation would be next to impossible. But hey, no serious legislation has been proposed for years. It's more a conservative bogeyman at this point than anything else.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 09:37 PM

35. #10: IN case you haven't heard, Fred Phelps is an admitted democrat. Ding!

Posted by: Michele on April 24, 2009 10:16 PM

36. Uh, dare I say once more that you are a Democratic party operative, demo kid? Who else could come up with this, describing the proposed new "Fairness Doctrine" ,"It proposes that different sides of a controversial issue be given equivalent time on publicly regulated media to make their case."

Only a leftist could come up with such blithering leftist legalistic verbiage. You got that language right out of some Democrat talking point marching order. Maybe you can fool some people here, but you can't fool me.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 24, 2009 10:22 PM

37. @35: I didn't say "Democrat". I said "right-wing".

@36: Only a leftist could come up with such blithering leftist legalistic verbiage. You got that language right out of some Democrat talking point marching order.

Fooling you about what, exactly? I said that I disagree with it, I explained the reasons, and I stated the only reason why it would be a good idea. The only person looking like the fool here is you. Sorry.

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 11:20 PM

38. The crazy! It burns!!

Posted by: demo kid on April 24, 2009 11:22 PM

39. You may claim to not support the return of the "Fairness Doctrine" kid, and call it a "conservative bogeyman".

You know better of course. Hillary, Soros and their friends formed Media Matters for the sole purpose of attacking talk radio and Fox News. Democratic politicians such as Pelosi have openly called for a return of the "Fairness Doctrine". There have already been attempts to restore it by the current leftist Congress.

We don't have to make up what you leftists do. We know who and what you are. Why, you are the same people who claim Bill Moyers is an objective "mainstream" journalist.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 25, 2009 07:17 AM

40. @39: Whatever. Still can't address the point that both the left and the right have been photographed at rallies, eh?

Posted by: demo kid on April 25, 2009 09:45 AM

41. Who cares, demo kid. I know, (and I suspect you know) which side wishes to take our liberty.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on April 25, 2009 01:29 PM

42. @42: Still haven't answered my question, guess you never will. Typical conservative debate strategy.

Posted by: demo kid on April 26, 2009 10:51 AM

43. Hey Demokid, before making blatantly false remarks you should do some research. Fred Phelps is a leftist. He's a lifelong Democrat, ran for the Senate as a Democrat and his son was an Al Gore advisor.

Posted by: WFP on April 29, 2009 11:25 AM

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