I was not too interested in a corruption story from the opposite shore, but I decided to read it anyway, just to see how the identification of political affiliations was handled. The Seattle Times story is here
Sure enough, party affiliation is not mentioned until the second-to-last paragraph, where four suspects are named. Three are Democrats; one is a Republican state legislator:
"Most of those arrested were public officials and included Mayor Peter Cammarano, 32, of Hoboken, who took office July 1, and Mayor Dennis Elwell of Secaucus, both Democrats; Assemblyman L. Harvey Smith of Jersey City, also a Democrat; and Assemblyman Daniel Van Pelt, a Republican from Ocean County."
Exact numbers are not yet available, but I have gleaned the following from various sources: 44 were arrested; about five were rabbis. Most if not all of the rest were public officials. Only one of those was a Republican, the rest were Democrats.
Does anyone of sound mind doubt that if this had been a red-state scandal, the Times headline would have been something like "Graft bust nets busload of Republicans," and the lede would have been something like "The FBI arrested over 40 people on corruption charges, mostly public officials, all of whom but one were Republicans.."
The beat goes on, and sorry, but I can't help but cheer everytime one of them goes belly-up.
Posted by 6p01053690976c970c at July 24, 2009 05:01 AM | Email ThisYou're making the argument that the media has a wholly left-wing bias. I state that this is incorrect. You haven't provided proof to the contrary.
Whining about the fact that people enjoy seeing sanctimonious social conservative hypocrites taken down isn't quite the same as "bias" against scandals of all sorts, either. Bill Clinton, Eliot Spitzer and James McGreevey would certainly object to the idea that the press isn't afraid to take on tawdry scandals involving Democrats.
With respect to financial scandals, Blagojevich was routinely referred to as a Democrat in the press. For other run-of-the-mill legal issues, though, there are times when neither Democrats or Republicans make front page news. Think that most regular folks have heard of Jerry Lewis outside of his district? Don Young? John Doolittle (when he was a representative)?
You just don't have a leg to stand on here. I'm sorry. But seriously... do you feel picked on? Are you that emotionally sensitive?
Posted by: demo kid on July 24, 2009 04:26 PMWhere was I 'whining about the fact that people enjoy seeing sanctimonius social conservative hypocrites taken down?' I just reread my post, and I didn't mention any such thing. Sex scandals are a topic for another thread, in any case.
Offhand, I can't think of a similarly-scaled state-level corruption scandal involving Republicans, so I can't offer absolute proof that the media treats R's and D's differently in identical scandals. But no sane person could deny that the media trumpeted the R party affiliation in national corruption cases of 00-06, such as Duke Cunningham, and Jack Abramoff & friends.
For example I google Seattle Times+Jack Abramoff, and here is the first story that comes up. Sure enough the word "Republican" is in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the story. Not the second-to-last paragraph.
Bias exists everywhere, but I'm interested that you think this is a serious concern when other news outlets specifically lie to support their bias.
Offhand, I can't think of a similarly-scaled state-level corruption scandal involving Republicans, so I can't offer absolute proof that the media treats R's and D's differently in identical scandals.
Why don't you come back with some kind of proof, then?
Posted by: demo kid on July 25, 2009 09:39 AMDo you have any defenses to offer beyond 'everyone does it' ('bias exists everywhere') or diversion (what about Fox news?)?
Posted by: 6p01053690976c970c on July 25, 2009 10:33 AMa. the story is by the l.a. and ny times.
b. the political affiliations of those arrested is written halfway through the article:
Among them were 29 New Jersey public officials, including three mayors, two state assemblymen, several city council members, local commissioners and regulatory inspectors. All but one of the officeholders are Democrats.
and then you lied:
Only one of those was a Republican, the rest were Democrats.
so other than the public officials, how do you know they're all democrats? oooh, because they're corrupt! riiight, i know that's what you are thinking, but that's not it...
is it their previous campaign contributions? did you check their ballots?
are foreign citizens "democrats"? that's a new one for me...
all rabbi's are democrats, too? news to me.
all real estate developers are dems? wow, the list keeps growing!
all public officials are democrats? epic fail!
still pales in comparison to abramoff.
Posted by: mike on July 26, 2009 01:10 AMYou're making conjecture about the media using cherry-picked anecdotal evidence. Again, do you think that regular folks even know who Doolittle or Lewis are? Do you think that Cunningham got less coverage than William Jefferson? (I'll give you a hint: yes.) If your claim is that Republicans are more "picked on" because they're Republicans, why don't you back it up with hard data before shooting your damn fool mouth off?
Posted by: demo kid on July 26, 2009 11:03 AMAnd please, please, please follow your own advice and learn to read.
I wrote: "44 were arrested; about five were rabbis. Most if not all of the rest were public officials. Only one of those was a Republican, the rest were Democrats.
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You wrote: "and then you lied:
Only one of those was a Republican, the rest were Democrats.
so other than the public officials, how do you know they're all democrats? oooh, because they're corrupt! riiight, i know that's what you are thinking, but that's not it...
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"Of those" clearly refers to the public officials. I do not know the affiliation, if any, of the non-officials arrested, and did not say or imply anything about it.
Now I will wait to see if you are man enough to apologize for calling me a liar. You did not read carefully, and I didn't write what you thought I wrote.
Posted by: 6p01053690976c970c on July 26, 2009 01:21 PMI just posted about this one Seattle Times article. If you want charts and statistics, they are available elsewhere. Try Brent Bozell's site.
Posted by: 6p01053690976c970c on July 26, 2009 01:32 PMyes, a large number of those arrested, but "not all"
only 29 of those arrested are public officials. they way you summarized it, 38 of the 44 arrested were dems, and that's just not the case.
(Not to mention, of course, that the story isn't even written by the Seattle Times!)